From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:10:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?) Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 21:01:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 25548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 25548@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.148546444924432 (code B ref -1); Thu, 26 Jan 2017 21:01:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2017 21:00:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46189 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWrA0-0006Lz-Oc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:00:49 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45047) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWr9y-0006Lm-AM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:00:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cWr9o-00086F-9t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:00:41 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:57089) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cWr9o-000868-2W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:00:36 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36004) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cWr9m-00074l-Ia for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:00:35 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cWr9j-00085o-IE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:00:34 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:32328) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cWr9j-00084d-8Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:00:31 -0500 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v0QL0RLq011901 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 21:00:27 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v0QL0Qvh027064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 21:00:26 GMT Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v0QL0Qmi010589 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 21:00:26 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7901d1e7-e41f-4877-a1bb-6b059d10f39a@default> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 13:00:25 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) (To be sure, I've downloaded the zip file twice now, and extracted it.) I got it from here: http://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/gnu/emacs/windows/ This is the zip file I picked up: emacs-25.1-2-x86_64-w64-mingw32.zip 29-Nov-2016 14:12 91M But when I open Emacs and use M-x emacs-version it tells me that it is Emacs 21.1.1. And you can see that below, as well. What gives? Is this correct or a bug? How are users supposed to understand the version numbering - is this 25.1.1 or 25.1.2 or something else? And if this is not 25.1.2, where can users get 25.1.2? In GNU Emacs 25.1.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2016-11-15 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:10:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?) Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 22:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 25548@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 25548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25548.148546861318249 (code B ref 25548); Thu, 26 Jan 2017 22:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 25548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2017 22:10:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46334 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWsFB-0004kH-91 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:10:13 -0500 Received: from mail-ot0-f195.google.com ([74.125.82.195]:35519) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWsF9-0004k4-9x for 25548@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:10:11 -0500 Received: by mail-ot0-f195.google.com with SMTP id 65so28942018otq.2 for <25548@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 14:10:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=GcLqop4VG9/O42kX5t6kWh7IUTK8OLWb39lqF3q3jZc=; b=HOZz4VDXrp1+nd4b+vmU3pFiHhlGA5oRHEvueAYvACUJtIKTDu/UIzBvj/J/zbGawb DE9FgISNXui8sEeyUMGOm/22Kyh+IOqvoGLwH2Q8vSu8uwIxKsfyuSZ62VKQOuh7kLVG fA8rkC4dFUyvvuTeG9g86vtqVInE6tY4+SdKy9YQ2cJVq/TtIYWKMQQEZhm5CRNMnA4W jcEvFqV8iXBz3TQf6ZHNzG0k2ZiHJ4IIVMFkTRmBiFWtb3W/GGRXrVxf0apyj9WAiNkG GfODrMvQ3hlP7CTnd/uvitanqSOTlTI0q+I8/WiQdaTBCuOQu8Ht+S9sQsmujgun7dA5 2myw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GcLqop4VG9/O42kX5t6kWh7IUTK8OLWb39lqF3q3jZc=; b=FRwFti08eGBiKIxLN98ulbY6xdVzw4bg5W2r4P7BpKtE4oPV0Pdc6KEHZXCrTGTVR2 p9PepMM2+Ij4CfyIxQIRlpBBUCWZiGAFSzMx/o0jm2LOCF+MKlO6rqYfEfqzpbU0oPWw EXUEfuYdWIzXyW8uMDJ6HLBAPnD+3Jy6GYLAkNYeJKPHfkBeVP16Ggp57HIM8xqIDpFW H+91Veplz+9HlWCJVqnbz2yCX/9Ly/hRSFBaqkjyoKweVEJ0uvil7SNXN5Mvf735J3Zo iY6dbKxsx2qGgNcYG8eJDUbiBH2s42IWPoUMMkchqDPvi+Flq6UApKd4oZrX12CBrFV9 M94A== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXKbCNp5qtD/Dae6I95+h78inSjv1ftkaB260Puv2eQbk+JAT5BLYbAKRvIqjW3QmLuhDLUMwvru5fcj/g== X-Received: by 10.157.42.202 with SMTP id e68mr2294708otb.221.1485468605627; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 14:10:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.21.117 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 14:10:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7901d1e7-e41f-4877-a1bb-6b059d10f39a@default> References: <7901d1e7-e41f-4877-a1bb-6b059d10f39a@default> From: Noam Postavsky Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:10:05 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: UUx5sEVONYAaSCeETEJEKNti0R4 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Drew Adams wrote: > (To be sure, I've downloaded the zip file twice now, and extracted it.) > > I got it from here: http://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/gnu/emacs/windows/ > > This is the zip file I picked up: > > emacs-25.1-2-x86_64-w64-mingw32.zip 29-Nov-2016 14:12 91M > > But when I open Emacs and use M-x emacs-version it tells me that it is > Emacs 21.1.1. And you can see that below, as well. > > What gives? Is this correct or a bug? How are users supposed to > understand the version numbering - is this 25.1.1 or 25.1.2 or something > else? It's 25.1-2, that is a second release of version 25.1. The first one was compiled without optimization. https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-11/msg00293.html > > And if this is not 25.1.2, where can users get 25.1.2? > > In GNU Emacs 25.1.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) > of 2016-11-15 > Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 > Configured using: > `configure --without-dbus --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=-O2 > -static -g3'' > > > From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:10:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?) Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 22:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 25548@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 25548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25548.148546986926790 (code B ref 25548); Thu, 26 Jan 2017 22:32:02 +0000 Received: (at 25548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2017 22:31:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46372 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWsZR-0006y2-5x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:31:09 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:34331) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWsZP-0006xP-6d for 25548@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:31:08 -0500 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v0QMV00k028682 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2017 22:31:01 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v0QMUxdH021263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Jan 2017 22:31:00 GMT Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v0QMUxtV031149; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 22:30:59 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <38cc5265-9e0f-433b-bb6e-02f371006061@default> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 14:30:58 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <7901d1e7-e41f-4877-a1bb-6b059d10f39a@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -6.7 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.7 (------) > > This is the zip file I picked up: > > emacs-25.1-2-x86_64-w64-mingw32.zip 29-Nov-2016 14:12 91M > > But when I open Emacs and use M-x emacs-version it tells me that it is > > Emacs 21.1.1. And you can see that below, as well. > > > > What gives? Is this correct or a bug? How are users supposed to > > understand the version numbering - is this 25.1.1 or 25.1.2 or > > something else? >=20 > It's 25.1-2, that is a second release of version 25.1. The first one > was compiled without optimization. > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-11/msg00293.html Sorry, but I still don't understand. What's the difference between 25.1-2 and 25.1.2? Do both 25.1-1 (whatever/wherever that is) and 25.1-2 correspond to 25.1.1? Where does a user see the version number 25.1-2 (or whatever kind of number it is, if it is not a version number)? How, from Emacs itself, does a user tell the difference between 25.1-1 and 25.1-2? These were the zip files downloaded, respectively: emacs-25.1-x86_64-mingw32.zip emacs-25.1-2-x86_64-w64-mingw32.zip What does a user (or code) look for within Emacs, to tell the difference? And are these releases? Release candidates? Pretest builds? How to know? Is all this supposed to be clear to users? Where do they learn about such nomenclature (zip and release)? At the mirrors where you download these things there is no description/explanation. (They don't even tell you what the difference is between zips x86 and i86.) I realize that building and uploading Emacs for Windows is a volunteer effort, and I'm grateful for it. But can we perhaps make the zip naming clearer? (I'm guessing at this point that there might not be any Emacs-detectable version difference, in spite of the zip name difference.) From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:10:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?) Resent-From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 23:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 25548@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 25548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25548.148547398627954 (code B ref 25548); Thu, 26 Jan 2017 23:40:02 +0000 Received: (at 25548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2017 23:39:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46674 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWtdq-0007Go-Lh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:39:46 -0500 Received: from mail-io0-f182.google.com ([209.85.223.182]:32823) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWtdo-0007Gb-LQ for 25548@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:39:45 -0500 Received: by mail-io0-f182.google.com with SMTP id v96so49498533ioi.0 for <25548@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 15:39:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=3XRLj1VCKCCGarDdcO/L1dAAMDtHMESa6JUPmOVK/o8=; b=bVztGNiZUk6IsvnOsRMYEtH0PTYLRwCdGXFdNmLGBT58yQYqLXh8BdJ5ZIq7d9Kv8e ryqm1Jlq30L1M/FwpnO+qkRL1hRO55aHWJf2sZNSpTuWDd9wWNLFzw8D2htu4xGKluFY RMLA3JkVd5UdRmPrDYj6eUSqedkBcbiuxDpZ5GBuY/i6Sst0YEPWUdVvmBTQRBTPuRyH Yc7h8FRYUeadnpyQKqV9tM+UZKW1ZfWTw0QuroKeJherPtt2ZTffrLBE70/3+x6CNipO R4CmkKVmUP73pApn4a0D+ygX+HhmUqJWzVNcTXoVyjvyTxx1UhuNQBkquqSEswbSnL58 nS6A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=3XRLj1VCKCCGarDdcO/L1dAAMDtHMESa6JUPmOVK/o8=; b=QLD4ag6ZPsXjdhuu84UXp8s/uMkV/9Cnb/hJ4XGEKSujaneQMwyzSOEvNA33+PrsZk uW/+R9MBn8EOiF1yovKlOmATUk29ZJfPHTwq+dKG/LUewNe1gZMIzwua1WvHkEL3i7sy 0Mp2xuzzoaz/8ppJqVKyHE6cXIxvUvPI3RafSxFNeDWbx2Gs6vMYYS2fJrRWw0MvqwqP p+BQ38EdWGbkl0bLC1dU0KBpP2XO3A00gakhhHmIsrLmk3X5Rsv9nT00yINgwO76pqsR lAaOLxlgydL1LghubSDv7QKKR7tjKLQDw/M3qFoGgaoIk4LCcnInDWKQLlj7+q840SWG sZoA== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXJ3FKpymgsKh1ZDsbhbiMws+g0nTGRuGDWniHswzUt1fwHFcKmXlWEG9lB00PnmTg== X-Received: by 10.107.190.196 with SMTP id o187mr5409315iof.95.1485473979106; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 15:39:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from zony ([45.2.7.65]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 197sm364224ita.14.2017.01.26.15.39.38 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 26 Jan 2017 15:39:38 -0800 (PST) From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net References: <7901d1e7-e41f-4877-a1bb-6b059d10f39a@default> <38cc5265-9e0f-433b-bb6e-02f371006061@default> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:40:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: <38cc5265-9e0f-433b-bb6e-02f371006061@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 26 Jan 2017 14:30:58 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <877f5htmo0.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) Drew Adams writes: > These were the zip files downloaded, respectively: > > emacs-25.1-x86_64-mingw32.zip > emacs-25.1-2-x86_64-w64-mingw32.zip > > What does a user (or code) look for within Emacs, to tell the difference? 25.1-2 should run faster, otherwise it's identical to 25.1. From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:10:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?) Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 07:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 25548@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 25548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25548.148550292213413 (code B ref 25548); Fri, 27 Jan 2017 07:43:01 +0000 Received: (at 25548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jan 2017 07:42:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46898 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cX1AX-0003UH-Pd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 02:42:02 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46005) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cX1AW-0003To-DS for 25548@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 02:42:00 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cX1AN-0000Jj-CG for 25548@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 02:41:55 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59070) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cX1AN-0000Jf-95; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 02:41:51 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3953 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cX1AM-0008EN-9E; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 02:41:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 09:41:38 +0200 Message-Id: <83y3xx0x1p.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <38cc5265-9e0f-433b-bb6e-02f371006061@default> (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 26 Jan 2017 14:30:58 -0800 (PST)) References: <7901d1e7-e41f-4877-a1bb-6b059d10f39a@default> <38cc5265-9e0f-433b-bb6e-02f371006061@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 14:30:58 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 25548@debbugs.gnu.org > > > It's 25.1-2, that is a second release of version 25.1. The first one > > was compiled without optimization. > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-11/msg00293.html > > Sorry, but I still don't understand. What's the difference between > 25.1-2 and 25.1.2? They are builds of the same codebase with different compiler options. > Do both 25.1-1 (whatever/wherever that is) and 25.1-2 correspond to > 25.1.1? They both correspond to 25.1. There's no 25.1.1 release; 25.1.1 is build #1 of the 25.1 release. > Where does a user see the version number 25.1-2 (or whatever kind of > number it is, if it is not a version number)? It's not a version number. It's a name of the zip file, and was give "-2" to distinguish it from the original upload. > How, from Emacs itself, does a user tell the difference between > 25.1-1 and 25.1-2? The value of system-configuration-options should be different. > These were the zip files downloaded, respectively: > > emacs-25.1-x86_64-mingw32.zip > emacs-25.1-2-x86_64-w64-mingw32.zip > > What does a user (or code) look for within Emacs, to tell the difference? See above. > And are these releases? Release candidates? Pretest builds? These are releases. Pretests have a 4-field versions, like 25.1.91.2. Release candidates have "RC" in the name of the zip file. > How to know? See the node "Version Info" in the ELisp manual. > Is all this supposed to be clear to users? This information is not necessarily of importance for users. It is important in bug reports, which is why report-emacs-bug includes it. But inquisitive users can find the information in the Emacs manuals. > At the mirrors where you download these things there is no > description/explanation. (They don't even tell you what the > difference is between zips x86 and i86.) The explanations you are looking for are in the README file that is right near the zip archives. > I realize that building and uploading Emacs for Windows is a volunteer > effort, and I'm grateful for it. But can we perhaps make the zip naming > clearer? Did you read the README file? From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:10:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?) Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 15:41:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Cc: 25548@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Received: via spool by 25548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25548.14855316545879 (code B ref 25548); Fri, 27 Jan 2017 15:41:02 +0000 Received: (at 25548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jan 2017 15:40:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48495 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cX8dx-0001Wk-U4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 10:40:54 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:42775) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cX8du-0001WU-Op for 25548@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 10:40:51 -0500 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v0RFehFE017635 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2017 15:40:44 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v0RFeheD007113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2017 15:40:43 GMT Received: from abhmp0008.oracle.com (abhmp0008.oracle.com [141.146.116.14]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v0RFegwV002832; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 15:40:42 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 07:40:41 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <<7901d1e7-e41f-4877-a1bb-6b059d10f39a@default> > <<38cc5265-9e0f-433b-bb6e-02f371006061@default>> <<83y3xx0x1p.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83y3xx0x1p.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -6.7 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.7 (------) > > > It's 25.1-2, that is a second release of version 25.1. The first one > > > was compiled without optimization. > > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-11/msg00293.html > > > > Sorry, but I still don't understand. What's the difference between > > 25.1-2 and 25.1.2? >=20 > They are builds of the same codebase with different compiler options. Really? And just where is build 25.1.2 (that's a 2, not a 1)? Does it exist somewhere? I have 25.1-2, but you say that 25.1.2 has different compiler options from 25.1-2. > > Do both 25.1-1 (whatever/wherever that is) and 25.1-2 correspond to > > 25.1.1? >=20 > They both correspond to 25.1. There's no 25.1.1 release; 25.1.1 is > build #1 of the 25.1 release. So presumably 25.1.2 should be build #2 of 25.1. Where is 25.1.2? Why 25.1-2 instead of 25.1.2? > > Where does a user see the version number 25.1-2 (or whatever kind of > > number it is, if it is not a version number)? >=20 > It's not a version number. It's a name of the zip file, and was give > "-2" to distinguish it from the original upload. You just said it is also the build number - build #2 of 25.1. > > How, from Emacs itself, does a user tell the difference between > > 25.1-1 and 25.1-2? >=20 > The value of system-configuration-options should be different. Show does a user or Lisp code see those options from _within_ Emacs? Where is that information given to users? > > These were the zip files downloaded, respectively: > > > > emacs-25.1-x86_64-mingw32.zip > > emacs-25.1-2-x86_64-w64-mingw32.zip > > > > What does a user (or code) look for within Emacs, to tell the > > difference? >=20 > See above. See above. _Within_ Emacs. We have Lisp functions to determine versions, but builds? What are the functions for that? > > And are these releases? Release candidates? Pretest builds? >=20 > These are releases. Pretests have a 4-field versions, like > 25.1.91.2. Release candidates have "RC" in the name of the > zip file. You said these are builds of the same release, _not_ releases. You said, I think, that 25.1-2 and 25.1.2 are the same thing, and they are the second build of release 25.1. > > How to know? >=20 > See the node "Version Info" in the ELisp manual. The only thing there (that I can see) that remotely refers to something like "25.1.2" is the undescribed, unexplained _output_ of `(emacs-version)': "GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.16) ^^^^^^ of 2015-06-01" Where in that node is a description of what "25.1.2" or "25.1-2" means - e.g., that it means build #2 of release 25.1? > > Is all this supposed to be clear to users? >=20 > This information is not necessarily of importance for users. It is > important in bug reports, which is why report-emacs-bug includes it. > But inquisitive users can find the information in the Emacs manuals. I haven't seen where. I see such a label in passing, in the output of `emacs-version', but it is unexplained, AFAICT. > > At the mirrors where you download these things there is no > > description/explanation. (They don't even tell you what the > > difference is between zips x86 and i86.) >=20 > The explanations you are looking for are in the README file that is > right near the zip archives. I don't think so. That README is similar to (but also different from) the README.W32 that is included in the zip file. AFAICT, neither file describes the 25.1-2 (or whatever other number) that appears in the zip-file name. Searching for "zip" in each of those readme files does not find anything that talks about this.=20 > > I realize that building and uploading Emacs for Windows is a volunteer > > effort, and I'm grateful for it. But can we perhaps make the zip namin= g > > clearer? >=20 > Did you read the README file? I've read them both, and searched them for "zip". Have you taken a look yourself, in light of the question of this bug report? Can you point me to the passage that explains the 25.1-2 in the zip name, which I've not been able to find? Thx. Another question is why we have two different designations for build 2 of release 25.1: "25.1.2" and "25.1-2". I think you said that those represent the same thing. If so, why use two different representations, Occam wonders? And if not, what is the difference between them? From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:10:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?) Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 16:02:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 25548@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 25548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25548.14855328967708 (code B ref 25548); Fri, 27 Jan 2017 16:02:01 +0000 Received: (at 25548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jan 2017 16:01:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48504 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cX8y0-00020G-CI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 11:01:36 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46416) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cX8xz-000205-Eg for 25548@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 11:01:35 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cX8xq-0006lR-94 for 25548@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 11:01:30 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48667) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cX8xq-0006lN-66; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 11:01:26 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4373 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cX8xo-0007fC-Ck; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 11:01:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 18:01:01 +0200 Message-Id: <8337g41ohu.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 27 Jan 2017 07:40:41 -0800 (PST)) References: <<7901d1e7-e41f-4877-a1bb-6b059d10f39a@default> > <<38cc5265-9e0f-433b-bb6e-02f371006061@default>> <<83y3xx0x1p.fsf@gnu.org>> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 07:40:41 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, 25548@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > It's 25.1-2, that is a second release of version 25.1. The first one > > > > was compiled without optimization. > > > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-11/msg00293.html > > > > > > Sorry, but I still don't understand. What's the difference between > > > 25.1-2 and 25.1.2? > > > > They are builds of the same codebase with different compiler options. > > Really? And just where is build 25.1.2 (that's a 2, not a 1)? It doesn't exist. I thought you were asking about the difference between 25.1.1 and 25.1-2. > > They both correspond to 25.1. There's no 25.1.1 release; 25.1.1 is > > build #1 of the 25.1 release. > > So presumably 25.1.2 should be build #2 of 25.1. Where is 25.1.2? > Why 25.1-2 instead of 25.1.2? Presumably because Phillip made a full bootstrap, which starts counting builds anew. > > > How, from Emacs itself, does a user tell the difference between > > > 25.1-1 and 25.1-2? > > > > The value of system-configuration-options should be different. > > Show does a user or Lisp code see those options from _within_ > Emacs? With "M-: system-configuration-options RET". > > > How to know? > > > > See the node "Version Info" in the ELisp manual. > > The only thing there (that I can see) that remotely refers > to something like "25.1.2" is the undescribed, unexplained > _output_ of `(emacs-version)': > > "GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.16) > ^^^^^^ > of 2015-06-01" No, it also explains how to distinguish official releases from pretest versions. > > > Is all this supposed to be clear to users? > > > > This information is not necessarily of importance for users. It is > > important in bug reports, which is why report-emacs-bug includes it. > > But inquisitive users can find the information in the Emacs manuals. > > I haven't seen where. I've told you where. > > > At the mirrors where you download these things there is no > > > description/explanation. (They don't even tell you what the > > > difference is between zips x86 and i86.) > > > > The explanations you are looking for are in the README file that is > > right near the zip archives. > > I don't think so. That README is similar to (but also different > from) the README.W32 that is included in the zip file. AFAICT, > neither file describes the 25.1-2 (or whatever other number) > that appears in the zip-file name. Searching for "zip" in each > of those readme files does not find anything that talks about this. It also says this: There are two binary distributions named emacs-n-x86_64-w64-mingw32.zip and macs-n-i686-w64-mingw32.zip. These are for 64-bit and 32-bit machines respectively. You asked about 32-bit vs the 64-bit versions; that part answers the question. > > > I realize that building and uploading Emacs for Windows is a volunteer > > > effort, and I'm grateful for it. But can we perhaps make the zip naming > > > clearer? > > > > Did you read the README file? > > I've read them both, and searched them for "zip". Have you taken > a look yourself, in light of the question of this bug report? > Can you point me to the passage that explains the 25.1-2 in the > zip name, which I've not been able to find? That's the "-n-" part above. > Another question is why we have two different designations > for build 2 of release 25.1: "25.1.2" and "25.1-2". No, we have only one: 25.1.2. The other one is just the name of a file. > I think you said that those represent the same thing. If so, why > use two different representations, Occam wonders? Who or what is Occam? I thought I was talking to Drew. From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:10:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?) Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 18:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Cc: 25548@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Received: via spool by 25548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25548.148554079819099 (code B ref 25548); Fri, 27 Jan 2017 18:14:02 +0000 Received: (at 25548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jan 2017 18:13:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48536 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cXB1S-0004xx-3j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 13:13:18 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:40416) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cXB1Q-0004xk-BL for 25548@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 13:13:17 -0500 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v0RID9sb007077 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2017 18:13:10 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v0RID7CS008976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2017 18:13:08 GMT Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v0RID6fH004904; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 18:13:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 10:13:04 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <<<7901d1e7-e41f-4877-a1bb-6b059d10f39a@default> >> <<<38cc5265-9e0f-433b-bb6e-02f371006061@default>>> <<<83y3xx0x1p.fsf@gnu.org>>> <> <<8337g41ohu.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<8337g41ohu.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -6.7 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.7 (------) > > > > How, from Emacs itself, does a user tell the difference between > > > > 25.1-1 and 25.1-2? > > > > > > The value of system-configuration-options should be different. > > > > Show does a user or Lisp code see those options from _within_ > > Emacs? >=20 > With "M-: system-configuration-options RET". I see this from `C-h v system-configuration-options": "--without-dbus --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'" How does that tell you anything about the label "25.1.1", which appears in the output of `M-x emacs-version' or the label "25.1-2" that appears in the zip-file name? > > > > How to know? > > > > > > See the node "Version Info" in the ELisp manual. > > > > The only thing there (that I can see) that remotely refers > > to something like "25.1.2" is the undescribed, unexplained > > _output_ of `(emacs-version)': > > > > "GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.16) > > ^^^^^^ > > of 2015-06-01" >=20 > No, it also explains how to distinguish official releases from pretest > versions. That's not what I said. It tells you nothing about what "24.5.1" (or in the current case, "25.1.1") means in the output of `emacs-version'. And it tells you nothing about what (in the current case) "25.1-2" means in the name of the zip file. > > > > Is all this supposed to be clear to users? > > > > > > This information is not necessarily of importance for users. It is > > > important in bug reports, which is why report-emacs-bug includes it. > > > But inquisitive users can find the information in the Emacs manuals. > > > > I haven't seen where. >=20 > I've told you where. No, I don't think you have. See above. I see no explanation of the "25.1.1" nomenclature that appears in the output of `emacs-version'. And I see no explanation of the "25.1-2" nomenclature that appears in the zip-file name. =20 > > > > At the mirrors where you download these things there is no > > > > description/explanation. (They don't even tell you what the > > > > difference is between zips x86 and i86.) > > > > > > The explanations you are looking for are in the README file that is > > > right near the zip archives. > > > > I don't think so. That README is similar to (but also different > > from) the README.W32 that is included in the zip file. AFAICT, > > neither file describes the 25.1-2 (or whatever other number) > > that appears in the zip-file name. Searching for "zip" in each > > of those readme files does not find anything that talks about this. >=20 > It also says this: >=20 > There are two binary distributions named > emacs-n-x86_64-w64-mingw32.zip and > macs-n-i686-w64-mingw32.zip. These are for 64-bit and 32-bit > machines respectively. > > You asked about 32-bit vs the 64-bit versions; that part > answers the question. Yes, but it does not answer the question about "25.1-2". > > Can you point me to the passage that explains the 25.1-2 in the > > zip name, which I've not been able to find? >=20 > That's the "-n-" part above. Yes, n =3D 25.1-2, here. But where is the explanation of it, saying what n =3D 25.1-2 means? > > Another question is why we have two different designations > > for build 2 of release 25.1: "25.1.2" and "25.1-2". >=20 > No, we have only one: 25.1.2. The other one is just the name of a > file. I think you (and I) meant 25.1.1, no? It is apparently 25.1.1 that corresponds to 25.1-2 in the file name. When I evaluate `(emacs-version)' in the build from the zip file with name 25.1-2 it tells me: GNU Emacs 25.1.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2016-11-15 It says 25.1.1, not 25.1.2. Still looking for an explanation of such numbering, in both the output of `emacs-version' and the zip-file name. From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:10:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?) Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 18:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 25548@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 25548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25548.148554183020638 (code B ref 25548); Fri, 27 Jan 2017 18:31:01 +0000 Received: (at 25548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jan 2017 18:30:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48541 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cXBI5-0005Mo-OG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 13:30:29 -0500 Received: from mail-ot0-f195.google.com ([74.125.82.195]:36560) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cXBI3-0005MY-HS for 25548@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 13:30:27 -0500 Received: by mail-ot0-f195.google.com with SMTP id 36so31840809otx.3 for <25548@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 10:30:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=N0yh6cnorPbFYkhRCoNOIICqusCFmcAlB2h6fCHJ+sY=; b=J02WbRmM4dLJzOtzQ98H1vWXW7gk/PnK6tH5V6HCX0zo4xMAdRw29iW2Kp1FnxNyzU RTVeQfSnnb22zyELjOfrVOGZp1KNyMtxbeBS4Q+YJnEjTMG99ScZ596CQQpMEHCv8CcA 3LobmPlAzeUo0RD+iTSI23+dSuwfNs/WgsCwGqAS9rmmhdeJbq/tEtIruBOYRsrLG1xK HE99+5Jr564Uz9Rc4Xz5XWpzZIlt7FdCYcohJpkBDhaMbCEmzymz+wkfHXF2eRkJEqJc foO873EHub+pElEcxRcKSuz4m1B3pMsT4TYV/m3xIMlhgRPANVwfeSLVCGmiUVfjxXws VNNw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=N0yh6cnorPbFYkhRCoNOIICqusCFmcAlB2h6fCHJ+sY=; b=tka2EiREuOrYPu98z4IzhP+hRxJxu7oIIqdVvDiDUQE/QJRcNDAbtWeHE5GA987NsR f3yMpizG0iG0x7roLf/4YYtBZellfNibYd4j9eSDpgPJ5RuclXS/GJaoZ2xtk3BDhEVd 2wUTVFGyOzZxWtLEIyusVZA/qE6LMMgWehXjxTKCYQ7Je00zVRTJskFFMKRwN+/yPIFx zICOUqO6FIagAEn5QCCaLu/vvklz14r9pCNLqQfwp0bbFYuvTl16ogE7u3R+avRnnpK/ QSxmkxuFUnntDOR51dSztgfYquJLhjrkYSXQre43ljh8Nb7LwptpV/2drte5XpOCABSu 5GeA== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXJXcWBXIuzJV2lCdkk7CAoNZ9XuYayd+R4Ukk6UpgA+kVG57TMWAByEZxxAb7kLV9HRJxhjq2gIxW56IA== X-Received: by 10.157.14.85 with SMTP id n21mr5154687otd.244.1485541821648; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 10:30:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.21.117 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 10:30:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Noam Postavsky Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 13:30:21 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PREr0urJkH8Wd2fN__H5jBfqMgU Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Drew Adams wrote: > > GNU Emacs 25.1.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2016-11-15 > > It says 25.1.1, not 25.1.2. > > Still looking for an explanation of such numbering, in both > the output of `emacs-version' and the zip-file name. The zip-file name convention of X.Y-2 is new, and it hasn't been documented yet. Adding a mention in the README next to the archives would make sense. Regarding 25.1.1 vs 25.1.2 I think this text in `(elisp) Version Info' explains it: -- Variable: emacs-version The value of this variable is the version of Emacs being run. It is a string such as =E2=80=98"23.1.1"=E2=80=99. The last number in th= is string is not really part of the Emacs release version number; it is incremented each time Emacs is built in any given directory. From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:10:22 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Drew Adams Subject: bug#25548: closed (Re: bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?)) Message-ID: References: <83ziicz758.fsf@gnu.org> <7901d1e7-e41f-4877-a1bb-6b059d10f39a@default> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 25548 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 25548@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 18:33:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1485541982-20856-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1485541982-20856-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?) which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 25548@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 25548: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D25548 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1485541982-20856-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 25548-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jan 2017 18:32:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48545 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cXBJi-0005PO-2E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 13:32:10 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52382) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cXBJh-0005PC-7J for 25548-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 13:32:09 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cXBJX-0005OQ-Ue for 25548-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 13:32:03 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51250) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cXBJX-0005OL-SF; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 13:31:59 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4651 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cXBJW-0003zy-NF; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 13:31:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 20:31:47 +0200 Message-Id: <83ziicz758.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 27 Jan 2017 10:13:04 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?) References: <<<7901d1e7-e41f-4877-a1bb-6b059d10f39a@default> >> <<<38cc5265-9e0f-433b-bb6e-02f371006061@default>>> <<<83y3xx0x1p.fsf@gnu.org>>> <> <<8337g41ohu.fsf@gnu.org>> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25548-done Cc: 25548-done@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 10:13:04 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, 25548@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Show does a user or Lisp code see those options from _within_ > > > Emacs? > > > > With "M-: system-configuration-options RET". > > I see this from `C-h v system-configuration-options": > "--without-dbus --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=-O2 -static -g3'" > > How does that tell you anything about the label "25.1.1", > which appears in the output of `M-x emacs-version' or > the label "25.1-2" that appears in the zip-file name? It tells you what the version number means. > > > > See the node "Version Info" in the ELisp manual. > > > > > > The only thing there (that I can see) that remotely refers > > > to something like "25.1.2" is the undescribed, unexplained > > > _output_ of `(emacs-version)': > > > > > > "GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.16) > > > ^^^^^^ > > > of 2015-06-01" > > > > No, it also explains how to distinguish official releases from pretest > > versions. > > That's not what I said. It tells you nothing about what > "24.5.1" (or in the current case, "25.1.1") means in the > output of `emacs-version'. And it tells you nothing about > what (in the current case) "25.1-2" means in the name of > the zip file. It does to me. > > > Can you point me to the passage that explains the 25.1-2 in the > > > zip name, which I've not been able to find? > > > > That's the "-n-" part above. > > Yes, n = 25.1-2, here. But where is the explanation of it, > saying what n = 25.1-2 means? The explanation is in the value of system-configuration-options. > GNU Emacs 25.1.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2016-11-15 > > It says 25.1.1, not 25.1.2. Yes. > Still looking for an explanation of such numbering, in both > the output of `emacs-version' and the zip-file name. 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X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) (To be sure, I've downloaded the zip file twice now, and extracted it.) I got it from here: http://gnu.mirrors.pair.com/gnu/emacs/windows/ This is the zip file I picked up: emacs-25.1-2-x86_64-w64-mingw32.zip 29-Nov-2016 14:12 91M But when I open Emacs and use M-x emacs-version it tells me that it is Emacs 21.1.1. And you can see that below, as well. What gives? Is this correct or a bug? How are users supposed to understand the version numbering - is this 25.1.1 or 25.1.2 or something else? And if this is not 25.1.2, where can users get 25.1.2? In GNU Emacs 25.1.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2016-11-15 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' ------------=_1485541982-20856-1-- From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:10:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25548: 25.1; Wrong Emacs version for Emacs 25.1.2 (?) Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 18:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25548 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 25548@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 25548-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25548.148554298422306 (code B ref 25548); Fri, 27 Jan 2017 18:50:01 +0000 Received: (at 25548) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jan 2017 18:49:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48553 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cXBai-0005ni-Jp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 13:49:44 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:29273) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cXBag-0005nU-Uy for 25548@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 13:49:43 -0500 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v0RInZKj025688 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2017 18:49:36 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v0RInYkT006288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Jan 2017 18:49:35 GMT Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v0RInVYR002279; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 18:49:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 10:49:29 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -6.7 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.7 (------) > The zip-file name convention of X.Y-2 is new, and it hasn't been > documented yet. Adding a mention in the README next to the archives > would make sense. Thank you.