From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:11:50 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#25469 <25469@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#25469 <25469@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 26.0.50; Document lock files Reply-To: bug#25469 <25469@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 00:11:50 +0000 retitle 25469 26.0.50; Document lock files reassign 25469 emacs submitter 25469 Philipp Stephani severity 25469 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 17 14:41:51 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2017 19:41:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56709 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cTZdf-0007WB-8f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:41:51 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55116) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cTZdc-0007Vx-Q3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:41:49 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cTZdW-00010E-IT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:41:43 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:46579) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cTZdW-00010A-FZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:41:42 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46075) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cTZdV-0002Jf-5i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:41:42 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cTZdU-0000z1-5g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:41:41 -0500 Received: from mail-wm0-x22a.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a]:36357) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cTZdT-0000yc-VJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:41:40 -0500 Received: by mail-wm0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id c85so214930250wmi.1 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:41:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zfUFGcvBadaGPZZvmEKpM5Ve83UIe1jNI1tpXMVUwnA=; b=CrVTrsOHOIjjd6eQQhbsvgcqCU+dPu7hHjdD220wczhLWM9c0KIEze1OxZ4n+mNbbH 43VVToZCbeToSZ79sT1Boy082U1wN1TqfpADUPNPtRG6KzWMZ9sbnqhYbbcTFLSk9wkd CHG8ya7GDEgz2kosPwMGlfrlifLWsQz0cFTtckWi5YcTOJjn1naI9rXioD9+oSt7hZQs 2C4XFZ6nadPqNUbajO0l82YeIz3gD1OhffURxWt29QZAvWLGVxs7AMq8oTB7T1KPJlSa drNE+G2++FupcMwHmBrmS0OaLmLp/qTyqGiUw02ialL01pddK+5qDTOhkHNK1D57M5N6 KzEw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zfUFGcvBadaGPZZvmEKpM5Ve83UIe1jNI1tpXMVUwnA=; b=P0ALnQQuIPmKtg7Bqryvdsr2DhDxveCgJTy91UapNjJssfbnFWkQHRRgjV6ZZ+WZsn Sew27HTScI5bok8jIDqAgrFspo3PwUU2mQiDox6o2hWo5s0w9kcyM4hNJn8ajtnrbkJs aM406RFAPB5xGCySMlt2d1M1PuDwA5Hazirc7nwE3+rZbCqjGjbr4wguSuVdVhwSrC8k yp5F1gAVjumJ7WdcNmtU5QFW5CDlhUzaSJfZXzv3Pdk5DkmnZT2sAzvS+eXqIBSV3Ti2 7pzNSQQmiE1FCJMbWD9T7TOG/IdH9Ndms81ofZmjNMB4sogF39vashAfL+nA6J9P8i7A yvqA== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXIgngEaOPyz4vg1uQAQrL5/0EHB9OIbN4J0DY31ToQrMOSnMddK9K7VxVrr1JEkpg== X-Received: by 10.28.6.210 with SMTP id 201mr19174152wmg.85.1484682097723; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from a.muc.corp.google.com ([2a00:79e0:15:4:b9df:111b:b93e:2068]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f126sm39197764wme.22.2017.01.17.11.41.36 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:41:36 -0800 (PST) From: Philipp Stephani To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.0.50; Document lock files Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 20:41:35 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) There is no documentation at all about the format used by lock file names in either the Emacs or the Elisp manual: the indexes don't contain an entry for .#, and neither manual documents the format. Given that these files are highly visible, I think their format should be documented. In GNU Emacs 26.0.50.36 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.10.8) of 2017-01-17 built on localhost Repository revision: fd8196503247a4577a422475c6b8552b0ef4068e Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11501000 System Description: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. 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From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 17 15:20:14 2017 Received: (at 25469) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2017 20:20:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34079 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cTaEo-0000XK-L6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:20:14 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45241) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cTaEn-0000Wt-F7 for 25469@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:20:13 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cTZzb-0005uR-Md for 25469@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:04:34 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42575) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cTZzb-0005uL-KB; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:04:31 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1204 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cTZzZ-0006YM-Qs; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:04:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 22:04:07 +0200 Message-Id: <83r3418nd4.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Philipp Stephani In-reply-to: (message from Philipp Stephani on Tue, 17 Jan 2017 20:41:35 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#25469: 26.0.50; Document lock files References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25469 Cc: 25469@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) > From: Philipp Stephani > Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 20:41:35 +0100 > > > There is no documentation at all about the format used by lock file > names in either the Emacs or the Elisp manual: the indexes don't contain > an entry for .#, and neither manual documents the format. Given that > these files are highly visible, I think their format should be > documented. I'm not sure I agree. The format is an internal implementation detail, and in fact we've changed it recently to solve an obscure bug. Neither users nor Lisp programmers need to be aware of the format, and if they are really curious, they can look in the C sources. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 18 08:33:51 2017 Received: (at 25469) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2017 13:33:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34393 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cTqN5-0001rX-AC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:33:51 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38023) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cTqN4-0001rG-2y for 25469@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:33:50 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cTqMx-0006oV-Um for 25469@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:33:44 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53318) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cTqMu-0006mY-6a; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:33:40 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cTqMt-0006p5-EZ; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:33:39 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <83r3418nd4.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Tue, 17 Jan 2017 22:04:07 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#25469: 26.0.50; Document lock files References: <83r3418nd4.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:33:39 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25469 Cc: p.stephani2@gmail.com, 25469@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I'm not sure I agree. The format is an internal implementation > detail, and in fact we've changed it recently to solve an obscure bug. > Neither users nor Lisp programmers need to be aware of the format, and > if they are really curious, they can look in the C sources. I agree. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 19 03:07:28 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Mar 2019 07:07:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49470 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1h68qO-0005sQ-LJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 03:07:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40545) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1h68qN-0005sA-8W; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 03:07:27 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38825) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h68qH-0007mh-UX; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 03:07:22 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4843 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1h68qF-0000g1-Ig; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 03:07:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 09:07:12 +0200 Message-Id: <83a7hruyu7.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Mon, 18 Mar 2019 19:17:51 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#34911: 26.1; doc about lock file names References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control Cc: 34911@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) close 25469 26.2 thanks > From: Glenn Morris > Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 19:17:51 -0400 > > > https://debbugs.gnu.org/25469 This was fixed already, so that bug should be closed. I'm not yet closing this one, because it seems to say something beyond the issue raised in 25469. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 19 17:07:45 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Mar 2019 21:07:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50957 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1h6LxZ-0003Sb-8J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 17:07:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44028) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1h6LxX-0003SG-Kn for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 17:07:43 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50210) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h6LxE-0002i5-VT for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 17:07:26 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1h6LxD-0004Sx-QD for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 17:07:24 -0400 Subject: control message for bug 25469 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 17:07:23 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) # 9188291f7 close 25469 26.2 From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:11:50 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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