From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:47:57 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#25460 <25460@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#25460 <25460@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 26.0.50; Documentation request: Save/write hooks and autosave Reply-To: bug#25460 <25460@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2025 03:47:57 +0000 retitle 25460 26.0.50; Documentation request: Save/write hooks and autosave reassign 25460 emacs submitter 25460 Philipp Stephani severity 25460 wishlist thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 16 13:10:18 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jan 2017 18:10:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55898 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cTBjV-0001Wj-Va for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:10:18 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52038) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cTBjU-0001WU-MO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Mon, 16 Jan 2017 10:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from a.muc.corp.google.com ([2a00:79e0:15:4:48fc:dd77:c47:6b0e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u78sm30440167wma.11.2017.01.16.10.10.03 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 16 Jan 2017 10:10:03 -0800 (PST) From: Philipp Stephani To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.0.50; Documentation request: Save/write hooks and autosave Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 19:09:58 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) Please document how {before,after}-save-hook and write-{buffer,file}-functions relate to autosave, both in the docstrings of these hooks and in the Emacs Lisp manual. I noticed that even if auto-save-visited-file-name is t, autosaving doesn't run before-save-hook. The documentation should provide some guidance which hook to use depending on the value of auto-save-visited-file-name and on whether the current save operation is an auto-save or not. 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From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 20 04:03:37 2017 Received: (at 25460-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2017 09:03:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36032 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cUV6f-0005OQ-2M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 04:03:37 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40520) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cUV6d-0005OD-8p for 25460-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 04:03:35 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cUV6V-0006EL-72 for 25460-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 04:03:30 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54986) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cUV6V-0006EH-4Z; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 04:03:27 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4137 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cUV6U-0003An-Gm; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 04:03:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:03:18 +0200 Message-Id: <8360la6r3d.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Philipp Stephani In-reply-to: (message from Philipp Stephani on Mon, 16 Jan 2017 19:09:58 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#25460: 26.0.50; Documentation request: Save/write hooks and autosave References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25460-done Cc: 25460-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) > From: Philipp Stephani > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 19:09:58 +0100 > > Please document how {before,after}-save-hook and > write-{buffer,file}-functions relate to autosave They don't. These hooks are only run by basic-save-buffer. > I noticed that even if auto-save-visited-file-name is t, autosaving > doesn't run before-save-hook. I added notes (on the release branch) that these hooks are only run by save-buffer. > The documentation should provide some guidance which hook to use > depending on the value of auto-save-visited-file-name and on whether > the current save operation is an auto-save or not. It looks like you consider auto-save-visited-file-name as an option that makes auto-saving exactly equivalent to saving the buffer. But that is far from reality; in fact, as I wrote elsewhere, this option has subtle issues, so much so that I don't recommend its use at all. If we want it to be equivalent to saving, we should reimplement it so that auto-saving uses basic-save-buffer when this option is non-nil. But that is probably something for a separate bug report, so I'm closing this one. 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