From unknown Fri Aug 15 01:56:41 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#25439 <25439@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#25439 <25439@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.5; `forward-*' cmds: numeric ARG should always be optional Reply-To: bug#25439 <25439@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 08:56:41 +0000 retitle 25439 24.5; `forward-*' cmds: numeric ARG should always be optional reassign 25439 emacs submitter 25439 Drew Adams severity 25439 wishlist tag 25439 wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 13 11:49:24 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2017 16:49:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53089 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cS52Z-0001Ya-QU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:49:23 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57160) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cS52X-0001YM-Pg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:49:22 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cS52S-0002c2-0k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:49:16 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:56364) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cS52R-0002bi-Tc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:49:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48126) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cS52Q-0005Vg-QG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:49:15 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cS52M-0002RQ-US for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:49:14 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:28388) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cS52M-0002Mf-LN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:49:10 -0500 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v0DGn6SP003481 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:49:06 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v0DGn521015008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:49:05 GMT Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v0DGn5mk029770 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:49:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <218b8b86-40aa-4f43-b967-31a6759db97d@default> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:49:03 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.5; `forward-*' cmds: numeric ARG should always be optional X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) The numeric argument to most `forward-*' commands is optional, defaulting to 1. This should be the case in general. These three commands require their ARG, but they should not. It should be optional and default to 1. `forward-button' `forward-symbol' `forward-whitespace' In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-04-11 on LEG570 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/usr --host=3Di686-pc-mingw32' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 13 12:09:37 2017 Received: (at 25439) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2017 17:09:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53104 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cS5M9-00023D-AQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:09:37 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33122) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cS5M7-00022z-B8 for 25439@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:09:35 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cS5Lw-0001TJ-EF for 25439@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:09:29 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41056) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cS5Lw-0001TE-BC; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:09:24 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3792 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cS5Lv-000152-OI; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:09:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 19:09:32 +0200 Message-Id: <83vatic2er.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <218b8b86-40aa-4f43-b967-31a6759db97d@default> (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:49:03 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#25439: 24.5; `forward-*' cmds: numeric ARG should always be optional References: <218b8b86-40aa-4f43-b967-31a6759db97d@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25439 Cc: 25439@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:49:03 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > > The numeric argument to most `forward-*' commands is optional, > defaulting to 1. This should be the case in general. These three > commands require their ARG, but they should not. It should be > optional and default to 1. > > `forward-button' > `forward-symbol' > `forward-whitespace' The last two are okay in interactive usage. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 13 12:33:29 2017 Received: (at 25439) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2017 17:33:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53113 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cS5jF-0002et-2u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:33:29 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:35147) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cS5jD-0002ee-3a for 25439@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:33:27 -0500 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v0DHXKjR004464 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2017 17:33:20 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v0DHXKLq026370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jan 2017 17:33:20 GMT Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v0DHXJtC002824; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 17:33:19 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <00bd4dc0-a40d-4df8-a32e-0cb321092f74@default> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 09:33:18 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#25439: 24.5; `forward-*' cmds: numeric ARG should always be optional References: <<218b8b86-40aa-4f43-b967-31a6759db97d@default>> <<83vatic2er.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83vatic2er.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -6.7 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25439 Cc: 25439@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.7 (------) > > The numeric argument to most `forward-*' commands is optional, > > defaulting to 1. This should be the case in general. These three > > commands require their ARG, but they should not. It should be > > optional and default to 1. > > > > `forward-button' > > `forward-symbol' > > `forward-whitespace' >=20 > The last two are okay in interactive usage. All three are, no? But not from Lisp. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > The numeric argument to most `forward-*' commands is optional, > defaulting to 1. This should be the case in general. These three > commands require their ARG, but they should not. It should be > op [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25439 Cc: 25439@debbugs.gnu.org, 40460@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams writes: > The numeric argument to most `forward-*' commands is optional, > defaulting to 1. This should be the case in general. These three > commands require their ARG, but they should not. It should be > optional and default to 1. > > `forward-button' > `forward-symbol' > `forward-whitespace' It's true that this is somewhat inconsistent -- but I also think it's a mistake that the other `forward-*' functions have an optional argument. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 409135c4-23b0-4fd2-f5e6-08d8dcccc295 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 01 Mar 2021 16:12:06.8762 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: HZyDZAktlHZqFJL2s7Aty5bMeIBHveTVP3w+dFbHQxmjxhl45hlCTB+pLNcPmcMsHT0C/8hoAIPp9MNVoLtryQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN6PR10MB2799 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6200 definitions=9910 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2103010133 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6200 definitions=9910 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 impostorscore=0 clxscore=1011 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 priorityscore=1501 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 lowpriorityscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2103010133 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25439 Cc: "25439@debbugs.gnu.org" <25439@debbugs.gnu.org>, "40460@debbugs.gnu.org" <40460@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > The numeric argument to most `forward-*' commands is optional, > > defaulting to 1. This should be the case in general. These three > > commands require their ARG, but they should not. It should be > > optional and default to 1. > > > > `forward-button' > > `forward-symbol' > > `forward-whitespace' >=20 > It's true that this is somewhat inconsistent -- but I also think it's a > mistake that the other `forward-*' functions have an optional argument. Why do you think so? It's not just vanilla Emacs that defines `forward-*' commands. Users are encouraged to do so as well. The point of thingatpt.el (as one example) is to leverage `forward-*' functions to identify things at point. If 3rd-party code and users define `forward-*' functions they get free support for identifying the `*' things from `thingatpt.el'. So it's important that a convention be more or less followed in the definition of `forward-*' commands. And yes, defaulting to 1 is exactly what Emacs does, for all kinds of motion (and other!) commands. Why have `interactive' default but not also let Elisp calls default? For Lisp, defaulting means the arg is optional. This is exactly what Emacs does for this kind of thing. It always has, since Day One. There's an inconsistency here, and instead of fixing it - the right way (to fit the rest of Emacs) or even the wrong way (to fit what you apparently think is better - no defaulting), you prefer to keep the inconsistency. The question is why? > So I don't think making these follow that pattern is a move in the > right direction, and I'm closing this bug report. The question is why you don't think following the Emacs pattern is right. From unknown Fri Aug 15 01:56:41 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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