From unknown Thu Aug 14 21:58:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25432: U+3001 IDEOGRAPHIC COMMA is punctuation Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 00:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 25432 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 25432@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.1484265930795 (code B ref -1); Fri, 13 Jan 2017 00:06:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2017 00:05:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51881 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cRpN4-0000Cl-8K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:05:30 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56129) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cRpN2-0000CZ-Tr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:05:29 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRpMx-00041B-2n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:05:23 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:57269) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRpMw-000417-Vi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:05:22 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47093) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRpMw-0008E4-2T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:05:22 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRpMs-0003yg-RX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:05:22 -0500 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:40401 helo=homiemail-a38.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRpMs-0003yM-KL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:05:18 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9783F10AFCA for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:05:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=huAJEa8J5ilMyzQMrdM 2NjZ1le0=; b=D5rMaCzSWnXbLww15HlEXLm38Z4p+KAdJ3s2r51omgmig0FMG4O sGItNPTCc5KcA9NgIKjidTsitpuC1T9tRk4XUeAGcU4nbHA10DWsfnsxj6tonOcr q5umgptnlTLupVs2Q2gB3tQgbkfh4iNvirSfcqO8+Qs58AmYSzBMD3mE= Received: from jidanni.org (114-26-41-44.dynamic.hinet.net [114.26.41.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5073810AFBE for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:05:15 -0800 (PST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:05:12 +0800 Message-ID: <87k29z964n.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) M-/ (translated from /) runs the command dabbrev-expand But when I do ESC / here, =E9=98=BFG=E4=BF=A1> =E6=83=B3=E5=90=91=E6=82=A8=E8=AB=8B=E6=95=99=EF=BC=8C= =E6=96=B0=E5=8C=97=E5=B8=82=E6=B6=88=E9=98=B2=E5=B1=80 =E5=8C=97=E6=B5=B7= =E9=A0=BB=E7=8E=87=E3=80=81Talkgroup=E3=80=81=E9=A1=8F=E8=89=B2=E7=A2=BC=E3= =80=81slot =E8=87=B3=E6=96=BC Talkg I get Scanning for dabbrevs...done user-error: No dynamic expansion for =E2=80=98Talkg=E2=80=99 found That's because "=E3=80=81" is not being treated like a (type of a) comma = as it should. Same problem with =EF=BC=8Cbla =E3=80=82bla b below them should give bla. I bet there's more broken too. From unknown Thu Aug 14 21:58:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25432: U+3001 IDEOGRAPHIC COMMA is punctuation Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25432 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 25432@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 25432-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25432.148429632610476 (code B ref 25432); Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:33:02 +0000 Received: (at 25432) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2017 08:32:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52058 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cRxHK-0002iu-Kh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 03:32:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54944) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cRxHI-0002iQ-JX for 25432@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 03:32:04 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRxH9-0000Or-El for 25432@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 03:31:59 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51429) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRxH9-0000On-BT; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 03:31:55 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3022 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cRxH8-0001wg-FR; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 03:31:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 10:32:01 +0200 Message-Id: <83d1frcqda.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87k29z964n.fsf@jidanni.org> References: <87k29z964n.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) > From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:05:12 +0800 > > M-/ (translated from /) runs the command dabbrev-expand > > But when I do ESC / here, > > 阿G信> 想向您請教，新北市消防局 北海頻率、Talkgroup、顏色碼、slot > > 至於 Talkg > > I get > Scanning for dabbrevs...done > user-error: No dynamic expansion for ‘Talkg’ found > > That's because "、" is not being treated like a (type of a) comma as it > should. No, that's because by default M-/ searches for symbol-constituent characters, and 、 can be part of a symbol. If you don't like that, customize dabbrev-abbrev-char-regexp to just "\\sw". IOW, this is a feature: Emacs is primarily a programmer's editor, so its defaults are supposed to be tuned for that. From unknown Thu Aug 14 21:58:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25432: U+3001 IDEOGRAPHIC COMMA is punctuation References: <87k29z964n.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <87k29z964n.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25432 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 25432@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Received: via spool by 25432-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25432.156972827126823 (code B ref 25432); Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:38:01 +0000 Received: (at 25432) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2019 03:37:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51849 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEQ1u-0006yU-Ov for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 23:37:50 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f175.google.com ([209.85.215.175]:40551) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEQ1t-0006y4-Eg for 25432@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 23:37:49 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f175.google.com with SMTP id w10so5449586pgj.7 for <25432@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 20:37:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UPpxj4blD83ikOvT8lTeT7peRGd/OojQTM+ZaUYs+PE=; b=RmbzM5LMU965YwJkdjLBTZijeDT2wS7mi2Uob/lsZGdP1yrPlhMTRnX/2qSmUoseZs UOyVixBEgWuJmgbVNp/ehtxBzzByu8tAUR6ldGMlOMyznk5RxQxwDSTtGMkppMRLmRa9 vxG2FjUArjbqwsMAFpTSWDctj6Ie902hV8PrJiDZpMVaVkOQdXRhQu3Zv5KzJs4BcJ4z bQ0miTziMysRXh8DPNbqcZB+ECyMzBBAAtIuorD8PJI4QsGUTLOkFXg9JpNzPpE4v7az 5mg3yPLLKI0z98pX+m+XoOC5xF4h2SQrnifUzYxnC15zarG/XHBvWY+mnSCSszMvt3AU 2jtw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWrIyv8iwSY7wAjk8DPJBcvyI3knDiusiP7j/n/F64DHaySQqgm /3H70zn6n/Sob1nVTQV1sTBLNN18S+X9AfXkT/Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzrsF5BGphirjMgqOdqw5mV8QT2gbIejVha6AzSyS28U8dp4ZV9pAMINpHvlLoqgQTMisJAX9egPQGA5gZg0q0= X-Received: by 2002:a63:720f:: with SMTP id n15mr16965329pgc.198.1569728263662; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 20:37:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 05:37:32 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) tags 25432 + wontfix close 25432 quit Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson >> >> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:05:12 +0800 >> >> M-/ (translated from /) runs the command dabbrev-expand >> >> But when I do ESC / here, >> >> =E9=98=BFG=E4=BF=A1> =E6=83=B3=E5=90=91=E6=82=A8=E8=AB=8B=E6=95=99=EF=BC= =8C=E6=96=B0=E5=8C=97=E5=B8=82=E6=B6=88=E9=98=B2=E5=B1=80 =E5=8C=97=E6=B5= =B7=E9=A0=BB=E7=8E=87=E3=80=81Talkgroup=E3=80=81=E9=A1=8F=E8=89=B2=E7=A2=BC= =E3=80=81slot >> >> =E8=87=B3=E6=96=BC Talkg >> >> I get >> Scanning for dabbrevs...done >> user-error: No dynamic expansion for =E2=80=98Talkg=E2=80=99 found >> >> That's because "=E3=80=81" is not being treated like a (type of a) comma= as it >> should. > > No, that's because by default M-/ searches for symbol-constituent > characters, and =E3=80=81 can be part of a symbol. If you don't like tha= t, > customize dabbrev-abbrev-char-regexp to just "\\sw". > > IOW, this is a feature: Emacs is primarily a programmer's editor, so > its defaults are supposed to be tuned for that. According to the above explanation, this is the desired behaviour. I'm consequently closing this as wontfix. Best regards, Stefan Kangas