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Reply-To: bug#25361 <25361@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 12:58:19 +0000 retitle 25361 info_TEXINFOS cannot be set conditionally? reassign 25361 automake submitter 25361 Benno Schulenberg severity 25361 normal tag 25361 notabug thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 04 15:36:16 2017 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2017 20:36:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41484 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cOsI5-0007zW-5i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2017 15:36:16 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37352) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cOsI3-0007zB-1S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2017 15:36:07 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cOsHw-0000Pm-Gn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2017 15:36:01 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:36030) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cOsHw-0000Ph-Cw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2017 15:36:00 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56542) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cOsHu-0001Um-Sh for bug-automake@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2017 15:36:00 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cOsHr-0000Ok-PJ for bug-automake@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2017 15:35:58 -0500 Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.26]:34541) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cOsHr-0000Oc-Ga for bug-automake@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2017 15:35:55 -0500 Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EED20BBF for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2017 15:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from web1 ([10.202.2.211]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 04 Jan 2017 15:35:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=justemail.net; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= mesmtp; bh=j8E2rTqsbRprSDU2zGYL4KzhB7Q=; b=nDN/hIsNFAFTLSrcNM53q ppvefftNbJE91o3qY5k4Q+XyJLUHRL4dIN0tmzkISzZTmxrpdtSAZfDXeb9xnDMZ EXxLh0IjZ62lBecjsn2y0H4tWcDkWMVJ6+koXNAC3WfOFm4q6UEC65EKTuS9IUVB oqSesJPF4geW0z8PsxdUo0= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=j8E2rTqsbRprSDU2zGYL4KzhB 7Q=; b=nc4g6F4bGIvCoaDuFA3vMqve1lDxwjQQ7LRsa7ywxFHiQy6bjJ6CSPR40 mp/dHMR4WSjJP9grgkHbCLhoyBhBxwvcr9fhG214825XyqXtgC5gvh6BgT/6++Mj 0CWZiw9t0Y5QuwrW/4tvci6UF2LuV6JEJdIkaTc8z2Th+7fzks= X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 37223AA6C6; Wed, 4 Jan 2017 15:35:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1483562153.1663713.837482913.30751C4A@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Benno Schulenberg To: bug-automake@gnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - html Subject: info_TEXINFOS cannot be set conditionally? Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 21:35:53 +0100 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) Hi, What I would like to achieve is that the doc/Makefile that is the result of ./configure contains rules that only try to build nano.info and nano.html from nano.texi /if/ makeinfo is available, and only tries to install nano.info and nano.html if /either/ they already exist or makeinfo is available. I've tried by putting a HAVE_MAKINFO around the info_TEXINFOS = nano.texi defintion, but that doesn't work. It results in the message below, and since it says to contact bug-automake, here is the message: make[2]: Entering directory '/home/ben/Sources/NANO/doc' cd .. && /bin/sh /home/ben/Sources/NANO/missing automake-1.15 --gnu doc/Makefile doc/Makefile.am:27: warning: automake does not support info_TEXINFOS being defined conditionally automake-1.15: error: undefined condition 'TRUE' for 'info_TEXINFOS' automake-1.15: info_TEXINFOS: automake-1.15: { automake-1.15: HAVE_MAKEINFO => { automake-1.15: type: = automake-1.15: where: doc/Makefile.am:27: automake-1.15: comment: automake-1.15: value: nano.texi automake-1.15: owner: Makefile automake-1.15: } automake-1.15: } automake-1.15: automake-1.15: Please contact . at /usr/share/automake-1.15/Automake/Channels.pm line 662. Automake::Channels::msg("automake", "", "undefined condition 'TRUE' for 'info_TEXINFOS'\x{a}info_TEXINFOS:"...) called at /usr/share/automake-1.15/Automake/ChannelDefs.pm line 212 Automake::ChannelDefs::prog_error("undefined condition 'TRUE' for 'info_TEXINFOS'\x{a}info_TEXINFOS:"...) called at /usr/share/automake-1.15/Automake/Item.pm line 95 Automake::Item::rdef(Automake::Variable=HASH(0x9499ba0), Automake::Condition=HASH(0x91184d0)) called at /usr/bin/automake-1.15 line 7588 Automake::require_file_with_macro(Automake::Condition=HASH(0x91184d0), "info_TEXINFOS", 0, "texinfo.tex") called at /usr/bin/automake-1.15 line 3417 Automake::handle_texinfo_helper(Automake::Variable=HASH(0x9499ba0)) called at /usr/bin/automake-1.15 line 3439 Automake::handle_texinfo() called at /usr/bin/automake-1.15 line 7848 Automake::generate_makefile("doc/Makefile.am", "doc/Makefile.in") called at /usr/bin/automake-1.15 line 8133 Automake::handle_makefile("doc/Makefile.in") called at /usr/bin/automake-1.15 line 8145 Automake::handle_makefiles_serial() called at /usr/bin/automake-1.15 line 8277 make[2]: *** [Makefile:412: Makefile.in] Error 255 Any suggestions as to how I could achieve the desired relaxed behavior? Benno -- http://www.fastmail.com - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 05 18:38:16 2017 Received: (at 25361) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2017 23:38:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44100 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cPHbs-0005b6-NQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2017 18:38:16 -0500 Received: from mailout07.t-online.de ([194.25.134.83]:39400) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cPHbr-0005ax-Hl for 25361@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2017 18:38:16 -0500 Received: from fwd19.aul.t-online.de (fwd19.aul.t-online.de [172.20.27.65]) by mailout07.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 69271427C6BE; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 00:38:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.28] (rS1tauZQ8hIKp3M8qaD5BuBkzo1cU5xh3MH43W4xmQjlCJifzsxizq8nZISYOqeQ6j@[91.59.2.4]) by fwd19.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) esmtp id 1cPHbo-0ELIAK0; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 00:38:12 +0100 Subject: Re: bug#25361: info_TEXINFOS cannot be set conditionally? To: Benno Schulenberg , 25361@debbugs.gnu.org References: <1483562153.1663713.837482913.30751C4A@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Hans-Bernhard_Br=c3=b6ker?= Message-ID: <2a7c9ae2-14c0-0630-9b37-41457c9dd1e6@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 00:37:54 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1483562153.1663713.837482913.30751C4A@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ID: rS1tauZQ8hIKp3M8qaD5BuBkzo1cU5xh3MH43W4xmQjlCJifzsxizq8nZISYOqeQ6j X-TOI-MSGID: e33c5fef-4487-48d0-9725-311ea6c6964e X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25361 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) Am 04.01.2017 um 21:35 schrieb Benno Schulenberg: > > Hi, > > What I would like to achieve is that the doc/Makefile that is > the result of ./configure contains rules that only try to build > nano.info and nano.html from nano.texi /if/ makeinfo is available, That's what the 'missing' mechanism does automatically already. So the only thing you need to do for that is to have nano.info and nano.html files in your tarball. > and only tries to install nano.info and nano.html if /either/ they > already exist or makeinfo is available. Again, all you have to do is distribute the files, and they'll be used if they can't be rebuilt. You will have to change the way you call makeinfo to let 'missing' actually do its job, though :-P From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 07 10:17:03 2017 Received: (at 25361) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2017 15:17:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46136 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cPsjv-0007nB-NN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 10:17:03 -0500 Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]:43348) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cPsju-0007mo-6Y for 25361@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 10:17:02 -0500 Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8555520AA9; Sat, 7 Jan 2017 10:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from web1 ([10.202.2.211]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 07 Jan 2017 10:16:58 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=justemail.net; h= cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=MOHhKOae8HqSfAeUJvsQb0XW1F Y=; b=KMK3fk1nXYI9VufETHnQWacns7w9J4yBE0zrHqr3WrmvG6BjEck6pzeF29 aV60YphOt80lfZPvr0/FjWA28p0xRM6OJOCJ284BFQuovNb4fGRmX2e76dv4KK2y B479Kem5zxWDmq7j2P2Q29+V8cJm+qm75OB7Fjyw1AuG/1qAY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=MO HhKOae8HqSfAeUJvsQb0XW1FY=; b=S0Xe2Qe5fg+LSzv0WDnXHJJ7oQZQ0j1cjD c77Vjq58Jfl6ki8yn/BCRoc/oV+tS75/Z48JSUwGAlGfPbCFSNGJ9uQojge2zBCp lWqYQi0sHocR5gzocATrP+ubzMNtFMIyffNxKdQ6MOyk3sWD8y4u8u60Y5IzO4yf 1SIrAaXfE= X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 65685AA6C7; Sat, 7 Jan 2017 10:16:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1483802218.2533214.840288425.63AB7A21@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Benno Schulenberg To: =?utf-8?Q?Hans-Bernhard=20Br=C3=B6ker?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - html Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 16:16:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: <2a7c9ae2-14c0-0630-9b37-41457c9dd1e6@t-online.de> Subject: Re: bug#25361: info_TEXINFOS cannot be set conditionally? References: <1483562153.1663713.837482913.30751C4A@webmail.messagingengine.com> <2a7c9ae2-14c0-0630-9b37-41457c9dd1e6@t-online.de> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25361 Cc: 25361@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Fri, Jan 6, 2017, at 00:37, Hans-Bernhard Br=C3=B6ker wrote: > Am 04.01.2017 um 21:35 schrieb Benno Schulenberg: > > What I would like to achieve is that the doc/Makefile that is > > the result of ./configure contains rules that only try to build > > nano.info and nano.html from nano.texi /if/ makeinfo is available, >=20 > That's what the 'missing' mechanism does automatically already. So the=20 > only thing you need to do for that is to have nano.info and nano.html=20 > files in your tarball. Okay, that works now. > > and only tries to install nano.info and nano.html if /either/ they > > already exist or makeinfo is available. >=20 > Again, all you have to do is distribute the files, and they'll be used=20 > if they can't be rebuilt. True. But if they are not distributed (like in git), I would like the install rules to be just skipped /if/ makeinfo is not available. So, if nano.info and nano.html are already there, install them, but if they are not and 'makeinfo' is absent, don't even /try/ to build them. I don't see how I can achieve that. > You will have to change the way you call makeinfo to let 'missing'=20 > actually do its job, though :-P Thanks for the hint. :) The specific rule was not needed, as automake provides it by default. Benno --=20 http://www.fastmail.com - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 07 11:27:56 2017 Received: (at 25361) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2017 16:27:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46150 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cPtqW-0000y7-Fx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 11:27:56 -0500 Received: from mailout12.t-online.de ([194.25.134.22]:33042) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cPtqU-0000xw-LU for 25361@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 11:27:55 -0500 Received: from fwd31.aul.t-online.de (fwd31.aul.t-online.de [172.20.26.136]) by mailout12.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 6EE5441EC764; Sat, 7 Jan 2017 17:27:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.28] (bplrRYZcghMBoQx2zkygtZtoGYgNgEb04vX8uTs7uQ85Xuj5nn4t+-rqP19OWUMQ-v@[91.59.1.150]) by fwd31.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) esmtp id 1cPtqJ-1prLY80; Sat, 7 Jan 2017 17:27:43 +0100 Subject: Re: bug#25361: info_TEXINFOS cannot be set conditionally? To: Benno Schulenberg References: <1483562153.1663713.837482913.30751C4A@webmail.messagingengine.com> <2a7c9ae2-14c0-0630-9b37-41457c9dd1e6@t-online.de> <1483802218.2533214.840288425.63AB7A21@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Hans-Bernhard_Br=c3=b6ker?= Message-ID: <216f5772-81f5-8039-b30e-9881e7072bf7@t-online.de> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 17:27:32 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1483802218.2533214.840288425.63AB7A21@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ID: bplrRYZcghMBoQx2zkygtZtoGYgNgEb04vX8uTs7uQ85Xuj5nn4t+-rqP19OWUMQ-v X-TOI-MSGID: 7cfec589-47ad-4b1a-b753-84c9408fcc50 X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25361 Cc: 25361@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) Am 07.01.2017 um 16:16 schrieb Benno Schulenberg: > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017, at 00:37, Hans-Bernhard Bröker wrote: >>> and only tries to install nano.info and nano.html if /either/ >>> they already exist or makeinfo is available. >> >> Again, all you have to do is distribute the files, and they'll be >> used if they can't be rebuilt. > True. But if they are not distributed (like in git), I would like > the install rules to be just skipped /if/ makeinfo is not available. > People using git sources can and should be expected to have more complete tool chests than others, and makeinfo is well within the bounds of what constitutes a reasonable tool collection for anyone wanting to build GNU software from sources. What can I say? Walking on the bleeding edge will hurt your feet, sometimes. Needing more tools to build them is just the price one pays for having the latest version(s) of software. People already need their own automake, autoconf, perl, m4, (groff), gettext and C compiler. makeinfo is really not a stretch on top of all that. > So, if nano.info and nano.html are already there, install them, but > if they are not and 'makeinfo' is absent, don't even /try/ to build > them. I don't see how I can achieve that. You shouldn't. Pretending the build, much less install, was successful despite such a lack of documentation is just a bad idea. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 08 10:09:58 2017 Received: (at 25361) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2017 15:09:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47016 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cQF6c-0003xz-Ep for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2017 10:09:58 -0500 Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]:41370) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cQF6a-0003xs-UN for 25361@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2017 10:09:57 -0500 Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B3B20B03; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from web1 ([10.202.2.211]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 08 Jan 2017 10:09:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=justemail.net; h= cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=uhQ0wdZeMMg7IvAy6moj+lASj4 Q=; b=ibyNsNO0riAyud/WRqy5qkhJUdBb7Ed/hEh6vwA3O4KhegxKkxgUWz95Xf 2Jp6NHkeS7CJDVPv9SgD5RJom5OIn/lnstu/KNPEYZedZ7KzKTKtFFKDO0GUV7Iu uuI0nG0rubZN6HgHyAVSYdGKALZ2KAVhvCdUPFUAETBB6xRQY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=uh Q0wdZeMMg7IvAy6moj+lASj4Q=; b=oXt6A2FtFVSJNNyMmJl5JurJ4B0iS8kgvP 0jQ9ODKeaxMEsac7lB4gKqw4sTi3NXUktCN/4EIoCovJPcR01SxnyX+M2n1c9hpr oJPtm8illJvUCC6OvW7CgA/E58kFtrl0U/1fNv8RprNhb8n9boIYM71cgWk6Lkg9 KmA0c0eXw= X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id C5430AA6C7; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:09:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1483888194.3547969.840940977.5297E788@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Benno Schulenberg To: =?utf-8?Q?Hans-Bernhard=20Br=C3=B6ker?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - html References: <1483562153.1663713.837482913.30751C4A@webmail.messagingengine.com> <2a7c9ae2-14c0-0630-9b37-41457c9dd1e6@t-online.de> <1483802218.2533214.840288425.63AB7A21@webmail.messagingengine.com> <216f5772-81f5-8039-b30e-9881e7072bf7@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2017 16:09:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: <216f5772-81f5-8039-b30e-9881e7072bf7@t-online.de> Subject: Re: bug#25361: info_TEXINFOS cannot be set conditionally? X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25361 Cc: 25361@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Sat, Jan 7, 2017, at 17:27, Hans-Bernhard Br=C3=B6ker wrote: > People using git sources can and should be expected to have more > complete tool chests than others, and makeinfo is well within the bounds > of what constitutes a reasonable tool collection for anyone wanting to > build GNU software from sources. True. > > So, if nano.info and nano.html are already there, install them, but > > if they are not and 'makeinfo' is absent, don't even /try/ to build > > them. I don't see how I can achieve that. >=20 > You shouldn't. Pretending the build, much less install, was successful > despite such a lack of documentation is just a bad idea. Okay. Benno --=20 http://www.fastmail.com - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 15 19:36:11 2017 Received: (at 25361) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2017 23:36:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40838 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dWWbb-0002Q1-In for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2017 19:36:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50546) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dWWba-0002Pp-Go for 25361@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2017 19:36:10 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dWWbR-00089A-4g for 25361@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2017 19:36:05 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:38504) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dWWbR-000894-1W; Sat, 15 Jul 2017 19:36:01 -0400 Received: from arennes-653-1-267-199.w109-218.abo.wanadoo.fr ([109.218.42.199]:51210 helo=pc10.home) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dWWbQ-00031L-H5; Sat, 15 Jul 2017 19:36:00 -0400 From: Mathieu Lirzin To: Benno Schulenberg Subject: Re: bug#25361: info_TEXINFOS cannot be set conditionally? References: <1483562153.1663713.837482913.30751C4A@webmail.messagingengine.com> <2a7c9ae2-14c0-0630-9b37-41457c9dd1e6@t-online.de> <1483802218.2533214.840288425.63AB7A21@webmail.messagingengine.com> <216f5772-81f5-8039-b30e-9881e7072bf7@t-online.de> <1483888194.3547969.840940977.5297E788@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 01:35:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1483888194.3547969.840940977.5297E788@webmail.messagingengine.com> (Benno Schulenberg's message of "Sun, 08 Jan 2017 16:09:54 +0100") Message-ID: <87wp79clya.fsf@pc10.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25361 Cc: Hans-Bernhard =?utf-8?Q?Br=C3=B6ker?= , 25361@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Hello, Benno Schulenberg writes: > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017, at 17:27, Hans-Bernhard Br=C3=B6ker wrote: >> People using git sources can and should be expected to have more >> complete tool chests than others, and makeinfo is well within the bounds >> of what constitutes a reasonable tool collection for anyone wanting to >> build GNU software from sources. > > True. > >> > So, if nano.info and nano.html are already there, install them, but >> > if they are not and 'makeinfo' is absent, don't even /try/ to build >> > them. I don't see how I can achieve that. >>=20 >> You shouldn't. Pretending the build, much less install, was successful >> despite such a lack of documentation is just a bad idea. > > Okay. > > Benno As explained by Hans-Bernhard, I think it is acceptable for a packages having a Texinfo based documentation to require its contributors to have 'makeinfo' installed. 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