From unknown Sun Jun 22 06:25:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25344: man repaints entire screen even when there is no such manual page Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 11:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 25344 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 25344@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.14834445336675 (code B ref -1); Tue, 03 Jan 2017 11:56:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2017 11:55:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40043 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cONgj-0001jb-Ct for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 06:55:33 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54189) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cONgh-0001jI-Kd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 06:55:31 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cONgb-0005Vz-GT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 06:55:26 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:40714) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cONgb-0005Vv-Dy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 06:55:25 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45147) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cONga-0005ng-6H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 06:55:25 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cONgX-0005Ug-6N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 06:55:24 -0500 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:57841 helo=homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cONgW-0005Sl-T6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 06:55:21 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D836634075 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 03:55:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=b/B16jSHV6/Qtni8/6exjM/sJv4=; b=e6h8eNw+tRkhgivZ ThsUvtsXIB1PyBPAUYgdbWbthW4XGEihM5cGVKuXkR1xvc12JYfdkpfLwxdqrJub R/xYuECjNOODs3YvuKKesHjbq3g2PRnP9X0dudHe2tYUP8xi2TGuwT1dGAdmFzQs i3EbaS+52Gu4zBRbEt7PqlqvzYc= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-24-198.dynamic.hinet.net [114.41.24.198]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 24A8563406C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 03:55:14 -0800 (PST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 18:56:36 +0800 Message-ID: <871swkbee3.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) If one has a very quick eye, one can discover M-x man "zzzyyyxxx" repaints the entire screen before declaring in the minibuffer "No manual entry for zzzyyyxxx". Doesn't seem very efficient. Also one thinks the man page is coming in and looks at the screen, but in fact it is just the screen being repainted. emacs-version "25.1.1" From unknown Sun Jun 22 06:25:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25344: man repaints entire screen even when there is no such manual page Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 15:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25344 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 25344@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 25344-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25344.148345900710512 (code B ref 25344); Tue, 03 Jan 2017 15:57:01 +0000 Received: (at 25344) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2017 15:56:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40515 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cORSA-0002jU-Rt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 10:56:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48156) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cORS8-0002jD-Q1 for 25344@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 10:56:45 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cORS0-0006o9-FJ for 25344@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 10:56:39 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:55883) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cORS0-0006o2-CN; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 10:56:36 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1973 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cORRz-00084r-KO; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 10:56:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 17:56:46 +0200 Message-Id: <83d1g4f875.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <871swkbee3.fsf@jidanni.org> References: <871swkbee3.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) > From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > > Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 18:56:36 +0800 > > If one has a very quick eye, one can discover M-x man "zzzyyyxxx" > repaints the entire screen before declaring in the minibuffer "No manual > entry for zzzyyyxxx". Doesn't seem very efficient. > Also one thinks the man page is coming in and looks at the screen, but > in fact it is just the screen being repainted. emacs-version "25.1.1" I think these are side effects of a change (for the better) whereby the 'man' program gets set up with a correct line width, which is impossible without creating a window before 'man' is run. My HO is that this minor annoyance is a worthy price to pay for the problems solved by that change. From unknown Sun Jun 22 06:25:49 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25344: man repaints entire screen even when there is no such manual page References: <871swkbee3.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <871swkbee3.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25344 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 25344@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Received: via spool by 25344-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25344.156972845027154 (code B ref 25344); Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:41:01 +0000 Received: (at 25344) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2019 03:40:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51859 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEQ4n-00073o-Is for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 23:40:49 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f181.google.com ([209.85.214.181]:36889) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iEQ4l-00073T-Ja for 25344@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 23:40:47 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f181.google.com with SMTP id u20so2551866plq.4 for <25344@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 20:40:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=w6580Scxvf/F5QssPC6veR8w7b5LIsVpCCtg9ORgEoQ=; b=s/d7ltjMAKvhD6fPkZK3WBV+aapilBXXxNtVqjLI1X7/fCvXkWzcX8x46Ya4rphIlS JQGqJk1fvuLJR5ptUNVbEmcAm+/DWYkbAIkJNUjwNbmnH1ne5a0JPXxvIDJKHNGTLap8 HeIFfyWvphYbzCbiCjW+EFC/4UGXPPW8zGzDlIjvGeCRLD9VijQZOF0hlJGaWGucNFHd G/iLfJ7USs6LHNRZfcIfsWSnw+E17Oqc4aOtjX5lh8XuuA7+3i90hbRmqlfKv3DudiVL uBeRqNHM2oYG61z12xMrmmzZRkFqdRCifP6eFUdJLH4LDu9ZueiOXXWg68jY8I/Hkuu1 ffFA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW7ch5GIE/tfUCYw0qsW1CvLiHzLwY9va1rR1jDYawYp4L4k1cB R/ROyYyYC6Ckp2xd35RbU3kAUf8u0s+cAOehCnc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwRk9+fn90FMXDz/KzelnhqNDPlZa11DNSdcRDjr5mKUi6qdSGmSPYx1onP++yqLdiQMAMwOJ4SigkN6cnDGT0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:d88f:: with SMTP id b15mr12850683plz.251.1569728441810; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 20:40:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 05:40:30 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) tags 25344 + wontfix close 25344 quit Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson >> >> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 18:56:36 +0800 >> >> If one has a very quick eye, one can discover M-x man "zzzyyyxxx" >> repaints the entire screen before declaring in the minibuffer "No manual >> entry for zzzyyyxxx". Doesn't seem very efficient. >> Also one thinks the man page is coming in and looks at the screen, but >> in fact it is just the screen being repainted. emacs-version "25.1.1" > > I think these are side effects of a change (for the better) whereby > the 'man' program gets set up with a correct line width, which is > impossible without creating a window before 'man' is run. My HO is > that this minor annoyance is a worthy price to pay for the problems > solved by that change. So this is the desired behaviour. I'm consequently closing this as wontfix. If anyone disagrees, feel free to reopen. Best regards, Stefan Kangas