From unknown Sat Jun 21 02:48:31 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#25254 <25254@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#25254 <25254@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux distribution" Reply-To: bug#25254 <25254@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 09:48:31 +0000 retitle 25254 [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux distribution" reassign 25254 guix submitter 25254 taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Ka= mmer) severity 25254 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 23 11:42:16 2016 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2016 16:42:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52868 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKSvA-0003Jz-Lo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 11:42:16 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37145) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKSv8-0003Jk-Mt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:42:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from T420 ([2a02:908:c30:3540:221:ccff:fe66:68f0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ke6sm41288803wjb.21.2016.12.23.08.42.04 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:42:04 -0800 (PST) From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1?= =?utf-8?Q?=2FKammer?=) To: bug-guix@gnu.org Subject: [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux distribution" Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 17:42:02 +0100 Message-ID: <87r34ywqat.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) It would be better to be consistent with the home page and make clear that GuixSD is a GNU distribution, with Linux-libre being the default kernel for the foreseeable future. Background: Wikipedia has a policy to call GNU/Linux distributions "Linux distribution" because that wrong term is more commonly used by the public. To define GuixSD as a "GNU/Linux distribution" gives them in turn justification to define it as a "Linux distribution" instead. 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charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25254 Cc: 25254@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) > It would be better to be consistent with the home page and make clear > that GuixSD is a GNU distribution, with Linux-libre being the default > kernel for the foreseeable future. > Background: Wikipedia has a policy to call GNU/Linux distributions > "Linux distribution" because that wrong term is more commonly used by > the public. To define GuixSD as a "GNU/Linux distribution" gives them > in turn justification to define it as a "Linux distribution" instead. That's a sound decision, who knows what a GNU distribution is? People are confused enough on this topic, no need to let them believe that this is something totally different. When I refer to the term operating system - I'm mostly referring to the meaning in the sense of kernel, again usually I use unprecise terms to communicate efficiently with people who get distracted by my usage of preciser terms. Everybody knows the word OS but may not know what a kernel is. Besides on most systems there is a lot more software than just what is provided by GNU or Linux. If we want to be precise we can call it a mostly POSIX distribution. People might be more aware of the term POSIX than the term GNU (from my limited sampling at a technical university), while also providing information or meaning. Calling it a GNU system is just as descriptive as calling it a Linux system or a Guix system or a remotely similar to Mac OS X system or a Windows with cygwin system without windows. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 23 13:51:50 2016 Received: (at 25254) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2016 18:51:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52960 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKUwX-0008HK-Rn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 13:51:50 -0500 Received: from mail-wj0-f193.google.com ([209.85.210.193]:34394) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKUwW-0008H6-3N for 25254@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 13:51:48 -0500 Received: by mail-wj0-f193.google.com with SMTP id qs7so3667248wjc.1 for <25254@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 10:51:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=t0YIAOnS2eEjPe/XfJdMmz6XdlfBcr/dj8G1KAtavFM=; b=q0d08YBwrneMeB/FQg8SUegP0WRTW5VhMDny2hh03unZ1pob+Dyw9iaxQpSQVyOia4 LnmugbA2Lrk3JQBA1bGV0Whnj8Ez9f86ukAvJ1ZwUYuLa5CGdj5J8hgmVUyhgT1X9SXj 2mSL/QKkrA53f9iqGAA0U8oc72az/xihgK2vobCqEt1fLz9/2pXAJwBLqw0B5pgKvY6x zfquz5JqBQvOusyPrGgSwO60d64NYpNdLNqZI63I/WItcRr7s+V6Uct3IredNEZ68iST FW/l9TEnXxr/3hh/JcnQUZwhianMMcP5frk1gzTzVt3ABoo7re7B/Mq7h781a68CbHc0 c14Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=t0YIAOnS2eEjPe/XfJdMmz6XdlfBcr/dj8G1KAtavFM=; b=pj+koT0tGso/kCFsceslXxs/m5WT4NnRnX4t/OAekZ9dNIMsodRlLLxPmpW37Oo9AY rGUyNvU+z7ELfWJ0Ma8xaMTTSI/JyVHEvfZXVkGoO/MvNwWzAeC3KmwlbJz16HAUK/CF QSkwd8+oodEJYezw7X5X/Is61PKZEWz98/XjmeEtjYhqAT2CNLxG2AAEU1WGML4iA2Is iwESujtWh5nFdT0CgwAQb8s5pALYqpnm0MHEQkya9bSAzEtrPaQN2iIeXRWJ4TawdauB eZ//wA9IjKK+brDxFig3GXI2P1tdJPWtEUv/pnyPZcZ0UCYs0zw3ZraDmw+nJIdc36ES v7+A== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXIzShvfg2frV1t+GuzvPdWQBn0Wh6ZyIKPkWwSY952iilei9SDIuJvaDJHFitjQ0g== X-Received: by 10.195.9.102 with SMTP id dr6mr4180369wjd.209.1482519102201; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 10:51:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from T420 ([2a02:908:c30:3540:221:ccff:fe66:68f0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d184sm38605239wmd.8.2016.12.23.10.51.40 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 23 Dec 2016 10:51:41 -0800 (PST) From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1?= =?utf-8?Q?=2FKammer?=) To: David Craven Subject: Re: bug#25254: [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux distribution" References: <87r34ywqat.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 19:51:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: (David Craven's message of "Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:35:26 +0100") Message-ID: <87inqawkar.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25254 Cc: 25254@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) David Craven writes: >> It would be better to be consistent with the home page and make clear >> that GuixSD is a GNU distribution, with Linux-libre being the default >> kernel for the foreseeable future. > >> Background: Wikipedia has a policy to call GNU/Linux distributions >> "Linux distribution" because that wrong term is more commonly used by >> the public. To define GuixSD as a "GNU/Linux distribution" gives them >> in turn justification to define it as a "Linux distribution" instead. > > That's a sound decision, who knows what a GNU distribution is? People > are confused enough on this topic, no need to let them believe that > this is something totally different. > > When I refer to the term operating system - I'm mostly referring to > the meaning in the sense of kernel, again usually I use unprecise > terms to communicate efficiently with people who get distracted by my > usage of preciser terms. Everybody knows the word OS but may not know > what a kernel is. > > Besides on most systems there is a lot more software than just what is > provided by GNU or Linux. If we want to be precise we can call it a > mostly POSIX distribution. People might be more aware of the term > POSIX than the term GNU (from my limited sampling at a technical > university), while also providing information or meaning. Calling it a > GNU system is just as descriptive as calling it a Linux system or a > Guix system or a remotely similar to Mac OS X system or a Windows with > cygwin system without windows. I don't think this is the place to discuss that particular issue at large. That can be done on Wikipedia, or elsewhere. I think the Guix project authors probably agree on GuixSD being defined as a GNU distribution. The question is whether or not to make the About page consistent with that. Taylan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 23 14:36:55 2016 Received: (at 25254) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2016 19:36:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52977 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKVeB-00011G-34 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:36:55 -0500 Received: from mail-qk0-f179.google.com ([209.85.220.179]:36587) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKVe9-000111-8N for 25254@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:36:53 -0500 Received: by mail-qk0-f179.google.com with SMTP id n21so146700337qka.3 for <25254@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 11:36:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=craven.ch; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+qYp/y2k4LWZq+9NwuOCWFA7tSq1ZoIxZ8wRTs/IJHE=; b=YfeV7gpx1xml2h4HeE08h1f5GNTZNNt6aRlCGseNZvM7EdIvnzdGPx+FmEPEOTw+dm C5X+HiOL+G/p58bMHr/gM55xJNsQO/JJfg+CgyQsuhjAYJX9SVPHq7GkxEGFgpNeOSVx N84lYU9bOBb84/s2mqBe64HSecNOxPwrFCUqo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+qYp/y2k4LWZq+9NwuOCWFA7tSq1ZoIxZ8wRTs/IJHE=; b=OlacWiDhQgksv8c4SO0CK9368/DAax3Mf687CangfGLX8lo/K9jjI9EmG90lMLRJbM jEG4j9H2MvGcscSGE1x/6TxTPMQJNWQasrF2Dto0ouGlKC10vMu9AFTs+l0aioCqQfMX vPPDEwgG2KwjkSM1VYbws3e3t12krQWiqWCYykIrkIkr77HTlX0BbIHWrTLflMyKjHQe d2EI5jf+fPQ5et165ai8vjCyZi44g4x7mH1llGs1LyFl6oHP8LDv6kTaVSprtbIWw7VQ hJFmHiBz3MW1ES5HoV7nc07nxX0qNDe1VqiIabHZ71bNiYPqdANmfuwqWBA9vKAkwWFF W3Jw== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXLCzqyWER807qB5lqZOPszZa2BUO/HNMZVKLCcn9ReryksNn5SBQWoiTe7ZyfONyDAehbRWPy7cKYeryg== X-Received: by 10.55.201.8 with SMTP id q8mr16457467qki.42.1482521807796; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 11:36:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.133.38 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 11:36:47 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [151.248.146.13] In-Reply-To: <87inqawkar.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87r34ywqat.fsf@gmail.com> <87inqawkar.fsf@gmail.com> From: David Craven Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 20:36:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#25254: [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux distribution" To: =?UTF-8?B?VGF5bGFuIFVscmljaCBCYXnEsXJsxLEvS2FtbWVy?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25254 Cc: 25254@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) > I don't think this is the place to discuss that particular issue at > large. That can be done on Wikipedia, or elsewhere. > I think the Guix project authors probably agree on GuixSD being defined > as a GNU distribution. The question is whether or not to make the About > page consistent with that. Ah sorry, I misunderstood your intention. I thought this was about changing a Wikipedia article. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 23 15:55:48 2016 Received: (at 25254) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2016 20:55:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53023 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKWsW-0003Gv-4F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:55:48 -0500 Received: from mail-wj0-f196.google.com ([209.85.210.196]:34693) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKWsU-0003Gi-SG for 25254@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:55:47 -0500 Received: by mail-wj0-f196.google.com with SMTP id qs7so3997251wjc.1 for <25254@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 12:55:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=5gAOg6ttJlrKIVP61EFDnam06MTc/F4YJ9wPQVqHpZs=; b=VZonR7kLTplRyDVMUJiXozs9kYNUdGInl6ihHCnJTAtoTHjbtXQapkJLuW6zbmzvBC 1Qdfv6XkkzW4FL5zslvP0/v750hUf/PeeFJ3UPUvzyANyq8KfXbVjG+wNqxEQFaQTmwS rhwWjTYMDwMXtkmL8NX+2O1APrFTx4MepFFGbcOc90+qM2Azy3oQpIXrJNxvw+l6JWFr clgMBB8UFml5cscT92DWWKVPUJJHUNyzZ1bVDB20DYNsgSh4BlHGAw/ibZeRAdjVVZ0G FYLAt69BhNFg8Bta0CSDPzShZLDB3IgjcJtMmt30jZoNHYKoFVFOzL+Qbp9Iv1HkMT2a hJ9Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=5gAOg6ttJlrKIVP61EFDnam06MTc/F4YJ9wPQVqHpZs=; b=B2wb/0yLoJ+mkhHUzb5bokQnvbYfnhXbAgKhgUk676tv3fiDvba8sNea5MKy6Ztobi 401rDjhcH0vOzPeUsUjZOE4OKTgduAtsSWrrIe0yIts9ZCl/3sALHpP0gTVkU3M+QV2f Te8dHwTNDUJ7gkcrDJKC3mxxXfIPH6Ws1DzxmINOtaxv/4B/Vpbx54GXwikkpeADr6+4 65xh+mXFBO9i44MyX+fg2qA7a/W148VnGJ04obFrwuZH32cue7Eq7MHW7ibV8cP6KjXP 4lFf1/e6+naAhoZCIvDKou3TZeARc0X8q+XsjK5nl4DknNCQ3p6RkR1Rjcbu6+yGUv01 2yOg== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXKqeIivd+Antmic1N3S9PdSWhyNK4soE7ksdwebqagIugrfkQt8imwQ8QuamStXxA== X-Received: by 10.194.117.134 with SMTP id ke6mr14742381wjb.123.1482526540830; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 12:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from T420 ([2a02:908:c30:3540:221:ccff:fe66:68f0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x7sm42308577wjp.18.2016.12.23.12.55.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 23 Dec 2016 12:55:40 -0800 (PST) From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1?= =?utf-8?Q?=2FKammer?=) To: David Craven Subject: Re: bug#25254: [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux distribution" References: <87r34ywqat.fsf@gmail.com> <87inqawkar.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:55:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: (David Craven's message of "Fri, 23 Dec 2016 20:36:47 +0100") Message-ID: <87eg0ywek5.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25254 Cc: 25254@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) David Craven writes: >> I don't think this is the place to discuss that particular issue at >> large. That can be done on Wikipedia, or elsewhere. > >> I think the Guix project authors probably agree on GuixSD being defined >> as a GNU distribution. The question is whether or not to make the About >> page consistent with that. > > Ah sorry, I misunderstood your intention. I thought this was about > changing a Wikipedia article. No problem. Using accurate terminology on Wikipedia is an intention of mine, and changing the About page (and the FSF's endorsed distros page) not to call GuixSD a GNU/Linux distro would help in that regard, but it's arguably a petty issue so I don't intend to bother others with it. :-) (And a guix bug report wouldn't be the place to discuss it anyway.) Taylan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 23 16:28:09 2016 Received: (at 25254) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2016 21:28:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53032 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKXNp-00044j-1d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:28:09 -0500 Received: from mail-qt0-f170.google.com ([209.85.216.170]:35863) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKXNn-00044W-Jb for 25254@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:28:07 -0500 Received: by mail-qt0-f170.google.com with SMTP id k15so30768001qtg.3 for <25254@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 13:28:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=craven.ch; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=tKnus+/Ej4TO3fN/b1UvooFFaZtN/bJ3GLsXXUW4ChI=; b=Bxqwfhu74mx/XORJtsdTVINthX2TWz5uWM38Rrysfu0+j9pUzDqPGxkZ5nAZcxW6Z+ bda25NMO3ef/F7h2FJbu9V6hO9Fz7UNs/4M2hd/7vmxENYK9db/LyBg5972Gsh7p+aEN HDD0YXsSN9F/jXqs2KvlqrXwKLxGWJp4sppsU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=tKnus+/Ej4TO3fN/b1UvooFFaZtN/bJ3GLsXXUW4ChI=; b=dSBZjNOPmmPaBXuscMWTZYLjCQUxc7ImeSWphZ9V8/QpJ96Tlxi1VwCl6B0eGBQEpq oRsfnPX4K0AdMAwX79YTaOJiYVKV/3mJb3qfmGUVAyHL+AVLH5jyLVFbOfdXM5Fpw1gh R3t1bmNghDcJYDcZX+qcN41ZU/FeWqwTUTfq8PhAZ48X0rw5P40FEnvjk1Nv1IcceiGB LzPKJWQe89+3GTu1v/UND2fGZ7lenXkPV1l8jmAdiTs3nSi05CymSkPXXMMWz7q3xy4/ wVGOXLi5oFvRCIoFakjUbwAxk7V1k28hTZl244mez1mWETWbcJ78ncf13OC/Tmgrx1ev jmhQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXKpEIZqcEq2t0qn/x+IbScm+MEcfp65Yzl+Ss9nKR2yJFCRBWeEAEwJwJtm4KKRtJycOr9nzykSEQHjVw== X-Received: by 10.237.59.186 with SMTP id r55mr16287704qte.22.1482528482122; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 13:28:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.133.38 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 13:28:01 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [151.248.146.13] In-Reply-To: <87eg0ywek5.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87r34ywqat.fsf@gmail.com> <87inqawkar.fsf@gmail.com> <87eg0ywek5.fsf@gmail.com> From: David Craven Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 22:28:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#25254: [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux distribution" To: =?UTF-8?B?VGF5bGFuIFVscmljaCBCYXnEsXJsxLEvS2FtbWVy?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25254 Cc: 25254@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) > Using accurate terminology on Wikipedia is an intention of mine, and > changing the About page (and the FSF's endorsed distros page) not to > call GuixSD a GNU/Linux distro would help in that regard, but it's > arguably a petty issue so I don't intend to bother others with it. :-) > (And a guix bug report wouldn't be the place to discuss it anyway.) I totally agree that it is a petty issue, so why did you bring it up? If people start bike shedding topics it is only fair that everyone else can bikeshed in the same thread, since you are filling my inbox with pointless emails. Gmail doesn't have a filter for bikeshedding. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 23 16:32:26 2016 Received: (at 25254) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2016 21:32:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53037 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKXRy-0004CL-I1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:32:26 -0500 Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]:58208) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKXRv-0004CA-HP for 25254@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:32:25 -0500 Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C74D209A6; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:32:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:32:21 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=famulari.name; h= cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=QW6zeqMI2ADPC/jLxyQZCOTCgRg=; b=HRFZ7p jghh8McCSbUgKPPZU4MsJmrs5dLwOpPesXmNgQ8rE4wr1jF9hDUMJoCWEY+3elKm E/p4P0IfDoNayo3e0H3CovjEMx25Jw09Noqk/3SXY7Rh489aZzLM6Xp/by/i0Go0 aeNiB6QjDJhVILDsxe7AOQ9A3w4K2rp/6MpTE= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=QW6zeqMI2ADPC/ jLxyQZCOTCgRg=; b=BPsjkanQUk7ZyoQT9cQmLh9E1s/Zf6YuK3RKHBqS/M7CkN uMXFNBejYR3wWlkJaqzxE+Sfv8lyliMiorfftKWNDT5bAYulVT62XiOqa6OHDQ3i 2iAqkEewui4mKeYblJjkk+7YJn5CdkpfX0Tn4u8FIYKGh9wnOcY7oLxemgYww= X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: Lk2k3Tj/5oJX078wd7eIw2QqI2t4rQpvECq3Z5dCEjXq 1482528740 Received: from localhost (c-76-110-75-179.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [76.110.75.179]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C4BBB7E057; Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:32:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:32:19 -0500 From: Leo Famulari To: David Craven Subject: Re: bug#25254: [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux distribution" Message-ID: <20161223213219.GA29010@jasmine> References: <87r34ywqat.fsf@gmail.com> <87inqawkar.fsf@gmail.com> <87eg0ywek5.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25254 Cc: Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?B?QmF5xLFybMSxL0thbW1lcg==?= , 25254@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 10:28:01PM +0100, David Craven wrote: > > Using accurate terminology on Wikipedia is an intention of mine, and > > changing the About page (and the FSF's endorsed distros page) not to > > call GuixSD a GNU/Linux distro would help in that regard, but it's > > arguably a petty issue so I don't intend to bother others with it. :-) > > (And a guix bug report wouldn't be the place to discuss it anyway.) > > I totally agree that it is a petty issue, so why did you bring it up? > If people start bike shedding topics it is only fair that everyone > else can bikeshed in the same thread, since you are filling my inbox > with pointless emails. Gmail doesn't have a filter for bikeshedding. I'm sure we can use "machine learning" to make this filter ;) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 24 06:06:20 2016 Received: (at 25254) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2016 11:06:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53251 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKk9c-00077I-Em for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 06:06:20 -0500 Received: from mail-wj0-f195.google.com ([209.85.210.195]:33533) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKk9a-000775-It for 25254@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 06:06:19 -0500 Received: by mail-wj0-f195.google.com with SMTP id kp2so43273901wjc.0 for <25254@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 03:06:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=er5nTO2xf8S6xHpncC6biC+rb4X1Ir+hnUz8iK+arFA=; b=BUFNaL7pNrf9PaobO2MjEXij4tIkQGgi5mFuThP9NSWgZY7Ox0Jt0RK0GumBASHKAQ HNqBWM2xmEqWj+PeIB7xUtBsmFPNXVXHV4b+JWS8DJ4pj1G516rrbkPQyxLXQa8+eVY9 iyhJJn3ok4VtjonD3R4LPvLWJ6YtrLj5G3ZMIC4mZdzVzuK6kyRjp8NMyz6SKFuG0Ihl 0TxPwzUBz8EBRyOBo7W3Am9BAOgxbjIgtYOAlLWAFUeuxhRXI0Ojy7MIfTkwUxdA6ys3 OFDYmH6/WLk3AJDtHT9tA2SmczzLFbfat6pET/sm63ZQ5GGGDS23JdqapT/ZvzTLvaaD ABuQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=er5nTO2xf8S6xHpncC6biC+rb4X1Ir+hnUz8iK+arFA=; b=YwEGWstVcdUPn8zFjvvkZcHVA5l2DxYDLSQxKzzLkUXhwkK5M0PFXnzGQC+WXtrD8Q /942adNEqp9cccnxXPqEnBVm3pG82CW8lrt9rJ3U1n4ZqBL2uaLhuyKzc1HBmbJvHpHQ AgAgMfZ70APTq2DAVHUrQSwO42ZCPzynGENnk5QyS2pgGsv5OPwAf9t6pb7dh8YiZB+g B1nIOAoPA+A91Q9cMdgRRFG7CfotNtgI3CbxAI1aACrDdl4omkeHPWhswXs/u9Hzsamv WwSDXNzQWlyGU0GIkF9y5w5kyGfbxjyU2aH9yQc/C4zKPMiO4wP3o+7xs/MBpu6LS5dH ZoOQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXLp32ris595QA15TC/7eMAQg8sppep/BsTZN28QAzSwbXn28yOhc29u5xW0+f4JQw== X-Received: by 10.194.113.2 with SMTP id iu2mr19301434wjb.32.1482577572763; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 03:06:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from T420 ([2a02:908:c30:3540:221:ccff:fe66:68f0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a13sm41611445wma.18.2016.12.24.03.06.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 24 Dec 2016 03:06:11 -0800 (PST) From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1?= =?utf-8?Q?=2FKammer?=) To: David Craven Subject: Re: bug#25254: [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux distribution" References: <87r34ywqat.fsf@gmail.com> <87inqawkar.fsf@gmail.com> <87eg0ywek5.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 12:06:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: (David Craven's message of "Fri, 23 Dec 2016 22:28:01 +0100") Message-ID: <878tr5wpr0.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25254 Cc: 25254@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) David Craven writes: >> Using accurate terminology on Wikipedia is an intention of mine, and >> changing the About page (and the FSF's endorsed distros page) not to >> call GuixSD a GNU/Linux distro would help in that regard, but it's >> arguably a petty issue so I don't intend to bother others with it. :-) >> (And a guix bug report wouldn't be the place to discuss it anyway.) > > I totally agree that it is a petty issue, so why did you bring it up? > If people start bike shedding topics it is only fair that everyone > else can bikeshed in the same thread, since you are filling my inbox > with pointless emails. Gmail doesn't have a filter for bikeshedding. You're the only one who's been responding to the thread. Please take it off the bug ML unless you have something on-topic to say; I won't be responding any further here. No offense meant. Thank you. Taylan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 24 14:50:05 2016 Received: (at 25254) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2016 19:50:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54050 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKsKT-0006RA-Gy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 14:50:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42990) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKsKS-0006Qc-Ed for 25254@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 14:50:05 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cKsKM-0007V5-5J for 25254@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 14:49:59 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51944) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cKsKM-0007V1-1w; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 14:49:58 -0500 Received: from localhost ([::1]:37622 helo=mikegerwitz-pc.gerwitz.local) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cKsKL-0006QB-IT; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 14:49:57 -0500 From: Mike Gerwitz To: David Craven Subject: Re: bug#25254: [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux distribution" In-Reply-To: (David Craven's message of "Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:35:26 +0100") Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 14:49:31 -0500 Message-ID: <8737hdf6pg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r34ywqat.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.1 (--------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25254 Cc: Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1=2FKammer?= , 25254@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.1 (--------) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 18:35:26 +0100, David Craven wrote: > Besides on most systems there is a lot more software than just what is > provided by GNU or Linux. If we want to be precise we can call it a > mostly POSIX distribution. It's a common misunderstanding that "GNU" refers to only to GNU programs. GNU is a complete operating system, which contains a lot of non-GNU software. GNU didn't develop its own replacements if other free replacements were available. This article does well to explain: https://www.gnu.org/gnu/thegnuproject.html Developing a whole system is a very large project. To bring it into reach, I decided to adapt and use existing pieces of free software wherever that was possible. For example, I decided at the very beginning to use TeX as the principal text formatter; a few years later, I decided to use the X Window System rather than writing another window system for GNU. Because of these decisions, and others like them, the GNU system is not the same as the collection of all GNU software. 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Here's a patch to the guix-artwork repo to make the change. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: inline; filename=0001-website-about-Say-GNU-not-GNU-Linux.patch >From 9efbe9a4e7bba28aa593310ef537302dff909e0c Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: =?UTF-8?q?Taylan=20Ulrich=20Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Kammer?= Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 22:14:18 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] website: about: Say "GNU" not "GNU/Linux". * website/www/about.scm (about-page): Say that GuixSD is a "GNU distribution" and not a "GNU/Linux distribution". This is consistent with the home page. --- website/www/about.scm | 4 ++-- 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/website/www/about.scm b/website/www/about.scm index 38f3a1e..4694c08 100644 --- a/website/www/about.scm +++ b/website/www/about.scm @@ -48,8 +48,8 @@ volunteers around the world under the umbrella of the " "GNU Project") ". " " This is the official web site for both projects. ") - (p "GuixSD is a GNU/Linux distribution committed to -respecting and enhancing " + (p "GuixSD is a GNU distribution committed to respecting +and enhancing " (a (@ (href ,(gnu-url "philosophy/free-sw.html"))) "the freedom of its users") ". As such, it adheres to the " -- 2.10.2 --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 24 18:51:22 2016 Received: (at 25254) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2016 23:51:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54143 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKw5y-0003uR-Gw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 18:51:22 -0500 Received: from mail-qk0-f178.google.com ([209.85.220.178]:35140) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKw5w-0003uD-LF for 25254@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 18:51:21 -0500 Received: by mail-qk0-f178.google.com with SMTP id u25so162721674qki.2 for <25254@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 15:51:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=craven.ch; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=haAIa24E4p/NR9IzZdRsyoNK28IXQEAOA8tm/pQ5G+8=; b=hGT8qdeqlHSjpdoYC1Depl5Wddr6vCCOOv1QEzECG0mA3p7r8gL9v2eeWCsuxg4erI Rcn+NBCBBNlcseWNsOjIMk4NF2Ymgx2jGu981ZHPWK4oXh54DtZ8VR7CNBPAxAMoJX/i 66GHP/s8ezEm0jQRfFCGzRa1DMwJ9ZZy2cLHY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=haAIa24E4p/NR9IzZdRsyoNK28IXQEAOA8tm/pQ5G+8=; b=KsPABfVhvP15y1+FTDAeBO9vF9T3KiNnnDtWcJ3vfQbWZteSoGXDEMUqBslvpB4Pum cBpDE7n4b4hmdBu0ztgz3VtsQIBcjDOzBKJ7vdA9ZIzDwEXV/vfGD2tfqEk52PgDdeqI lJBKpanuv63LGIrmQd2HEWV0ss2BkpUa5pfD4Buq4FNLABbeDM6NBqD/Xsm/au4YzmCs NGD3kH/QnPSuNUflmNFqItG51oXxViTPbQXNMwo5FIdMVitPyn5m3diDT3MQmTmv0gaP 9YD8SJV0a9POiWpzzTXXIhbzjN/55j98a2qmyupH6UqAdKUe5W4aZh87JE/fmFnIEuSa FioQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXI/CRFPEZlW01Fe5XSLc6ryRWJVekmfsukkGvAxHMTwfc0zjU3EEg0VNtMOai20MOwvuZxg8ptTJMyRJQ== X-Received: by 10.55.118.3 with SMTP id r3mr19868786qkc.84.1482623474983; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 15:51:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.133.38 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 15:51:14 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [151.248.146.13] In-Reply-To: <87vau9c96w.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87r34ywqat.fsf@gmail.com> <87vau9c96w.fsf@gmail.com> From: David Craven Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 00:51:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#25254: [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux distribution" To: =?UTF-8?B?VGF5bGFuIFVscmljaCBCYXnEsXJsxLEvS2FtbWVy?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25254 Cc: 25254@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Please change to the GNU distribution. Or alternatively if you are going to say a GNU distribution provide a link to or an explanation of what it means. Calling it a GNU distribution implies that there are more than one, please provide an example of another GNU distribution. A google search for GNU distribution doesn't turn up any results. Please also remove it from the list of GNU/Linux distributions here: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html Thank you. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 24 19:50:59 2016 Received: (at 25254) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2016 00:50:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54157 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKx1f-0005iR-Dn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 19:50:59 -0500 Received: from mail-qt0-f182.google.com ([209.85.216.182]:36196) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKx1d-0005iE-0K for 25254@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 19:50:57 -0500 Received: by mail-qt0-f182.google.com with SMTP id k15so48090198qtg.3 for <25254@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 16:50:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=craven.ch; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=OtVkh6OInuVEu0uD0gnSpT5EGR05tED/piNK8/BnGaQ=; b=Z2Ju/FN/fDQK/J85Ug5UYDUUnvLJjbiWG6sJF9CLEhdID5koZe35q8xPOjymLFdECC uWKKUE9fRH3IQ6Q8NZXzAJDlRaBsYCgGueU/oAQ6OtZnMqUXSEXtCIsHO9pHY0tKZlRc NHXNCuQuM8sKEhTMWraXzxpFSlgEZEOcdB0HE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=OtVkh6OInuVEu0uD0gnSpT5EGR05tED/piNK8/BnGaQ=; b=iXCQ8J6UKj6Me6LYtWmFw7E01UD/0mumgtWSKBzPVlKRUGnPvVPjSqbxOBg9wHZnz4 Djr48BfKYOiR/7AP74USEQog8UwCi8jS8lx5Jcp84wgac9qI+RG7okNS0+aT9md4dgqO faZaAmtRh0husUfyjJQC4QkbhiH5Bsg/dgvMpSJ9vxStdeQJ1252bCh7VZ3BwEOoB0M5 KK0KinnnayW+Y5KlOSVAlWXsKaCLD0o9srIYcuFriUa1ES+NTQ6Tq0siY0ikNgaHUBZy o7EBh1ayRsOmkUflc610m8UVdrCi8vso7/Q4B9H3ScG7biPIzDS2CHhxxRHFIxCmEIRl a81w== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXKD9GFps+t4akauKgVERKC/uu/x/4vLO/ySRApV90ZiKCafdcjD6FLGKV9J+Voj/sYFrqfjSodpPwwTBA== X-Received: by 10.200.33.244 with SMTP id 49mr20548221qtz.70.1482627051102; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 16:50:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.133.38 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 16:50:50 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [151.248.146.13] In-Reply-To: References: <87r34ywqat.fsf@gmail.com> <87vau9c96w.fsf@gmail.com> From: David Craven Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 01:50:50 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#25254: [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux distribution" To: =?UTF-8?B?VGF5bGFuIFVscmljaCBCYXnEsXJsxLEvS2FtbWVy?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25254 Cc: 25254@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) > Please change to the GNU distribution. Or alternatively if you are > going to say a GNU distribution provide a link to or an explanation of > what it means. To be clear what I mean with a description, it could be one of the following: a) A GNU distribution is a distribution compiled with the gcc compiler. b) A GNU distribution is a distribution that uses glibc. c) A GNU distribution is a distribution that includes GNU software. d) A GNU distribution is a distribution that uses guix the GNU package manager. e) A GNU distribution is something else. This has nothing to do with if I think it's a good idea for the guix project to remove the word Linux from the about page if only for SEO reasons or if I think that the Wikipedia people will be convinced by removing the word Linux from the about page that this isn't a Linux distribution. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 25 06:39:51 2016 Received: (at 25254) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2016 11:39:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54341 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cL79b-0007gP-5m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 06:39:51 -0500 Received: from sender-of-o52.zoho.com ([135.84.80.217]:21443) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cL79Y-0007gG-PQ for 25254@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 06:39:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (x4d0cec79.dyn.telefonica.de [77.12.236.121]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1482665984355240.23643474857226; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 03:39:44 -0800 (PST) References: <87r34ywqat.fsf@gmail.com> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 25.1.1 From: Ricardo Wurmus To: =?utf-8?Q?Taylan_Ulrich=09Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1=2FKammer?= Subject: Re: bug#25254: [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux distribution" In-reply-to: <87r34ywqat.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 12:39:36 +0100 Message-ID: <87pokgnsp3.fsf@elephly.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Zoho-Virus-Status: 1 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25254 Cc: 25254@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Taylan UlrichBay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Kammer writes: > It would be better to be consistent with the home page and make clear > that GuixSD is a GNU distribution, with Linux-libre being the default > kernel for the foreseeable future. > > Background: Wikipedia has a policy to call GNU/Linux distributions > "Linux distribution" because that wrong term is more commonly used by > the public. To define GuixSD as a "GNU/Linux distribution" gives them > in turn justification to define it as a "Linux distribution" instead. FWIW, I like to call the system just =E2=80=9CGNU=E2=80=9D and GuixSD a =E2= =80=9Cvariant of the GNU system=E2=80=9D. To me =E2=80=9CLinux=E2=80=9D is a technical detail t= hat doesn=E2=80=99t need to be mentioned explicitly each time when speaking to a general audience. (This can be extended to =E2=80=9Cvariant of the GNU system with Linux=E2= =80=9D when needed, or just =E2=80=9CGNU with Linux=E2=80=9D, which is really close to = =E2=80=9CGNU+Linux=E2=80=9D or the more ambiguous =E2=80=9CGNU/Linux=E2=80=9D.) The name affirms the vision towards which we=E2=80=99re working, and it acknowledges the concerted effort in getting us so far. The name is not about acknowledging *software* as such. I feel that convincing the current set of Wikipedia editors is a lost cause. It looks even worse in the German Wikipedia, where the =E2=80=9Cart= icle=E2=80=9D on the GNU/Linux naming controversy insinuates that this is primarily about stroking the egos of rms and the small group of GNU developers. (I just spent some time submitting some changes to that page.) I=E2=80=99d be okay with another way to describe what GuixSD is (especially= once we offer an additional image using the Hurd), but I=E2=80=99m also fine with leaving it as it is. =2D-=20 Ricardo GPG: BCA6 89B6 3655 3801 C3C6 2150 197A 5888 235F ACAC http://elephly.net --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJYX6/5AAoJEBl6WIgjX6ys/54H/AncgCaVKbRqD/0oaiJwLuKl mVG9uZMofXgC22Slkdj97GhH/SOx4EB7rlbXinrgaYqz3qerUgj4ep0eHXhKE2cz GwW8kZwwXbvXGSYRpHdtwWrdLJ10ImdF3xA+tqcIvKVCrjkTGGyIrdcWM9UkA2vH tqGiZhE4FUZfDiq/SzvQmqXYXOm0Sz/WsUz/cRe7EAfhw54Jlw+bZbYpQt1lJjZ5 L4+DqBjzjGZn/PDDbm5mlPS2nZ7AX3lFznyJx9BreEMZe8rYVna0rY1seMF0EsTP 33a1GZHLqyLgSwnb6foQK6uJe1JfKe7n9S4fpZ1XkGk594CUFBqMs1u7rVNgy7g= =ITiF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 25 11:45:59 2016 Received: (at 25254) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2016 16:45:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54889 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cLBvr-0000Mr-Le for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 11:45:59 -0500 Received: from mail2.openmailbox.org ([62.4.1.33]:40472) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cLBvq-0000Mf-8O for 25254@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 11:45:58 -0500 Received: by mail2.openmailbox.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CEA641054E7; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 17:45:56 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=openmailbox.org; s=openmailbox; t=1482684356; bh=tiNW8PseRx4HGOZWlr+HDPOnn8YeoiWXIwSllMNlBVg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=EIpCXTvJ7ZOsX/3VC/wZ26DTH5021zmYpXQCt/YZbi/Wa8KYVs1mPxbTOvv+Lyymn YCdHh7pCaHJPCeBG4UiseLeLjV1z0vboX0bW4f+v3d0vNfagAMpSWhKgNaa0Luwanh p3PDl1oNRoimGSc87UNEj54lmNeSvXfXeopEerdc= X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on h3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from www.openmailbox.org (unknown [10.91.130.51]) by mail2.openmailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC2D104E8A for <25254@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 17:45:50 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 11:45:50 -0500 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Luis_Felipe_L=C3=B3pez_Acevedo?= To: 25254@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#25254: [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux Message-ID: <86dda095c910a87e098687f346b9ed1b@openmailbox.org> X-Sender: felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.6 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25254 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) I agree with Tylan. Instead of the current patch, however, I'd change the whole paragraph to something like this (a combination with the current first paragraph on Wikipedia): GuixSD (Guix System Distribution) is a distribution of the [GNU operating system][link] centered on the GNU Guix package manager. It uses the [Linux-libre kernel][link] by default, with the [GNU Hurd][link] being supported as of version 0.12.0. As a GNU distribution, it is committed to respecting and enhancing the [freedom][link] of its users, and adheres to the [GNU Free System Distribution Guidelines][link]. To David, the Guix developers had the intention to call the system just GNU, and distribute it as GNU (Guix is a GNU project after all), but RMS didn't agree, so it was decided to use the GuixSD name and call it "A distribution of GNU", and not "THE distribution of GNU." [1] [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-system-discuss/2014-11/msg00002.html -- Luis Felipe López Acevedo https://sirgazil.bitbucket.io/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 25 13:26:09 2016 Received: (at 25254) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2016 18:26:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54929 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cLDUm-0002vp-S3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 13:26:09 -0500 Received: from mail-qk0-f180.google.com ([209.85.220.180]:36796) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cLDUk-0002vU-SH for 25254@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 13:26:07 -0500 Received: by mail-qk0-f180.google.com with SMTP id n21so178731759qka.3 for <25254@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 10:26:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=craven.ch; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=c+axpycRYbM8TzkK1ZoaBQBUsF0zUfCYOn6De80BhIQ=; b=K+3u0A4oIH2Lzt+EjJdCzjR0xJymAq2ay9X36OMGBWnH6CoP8KYfw2boByFh+NxSqF YuRIF0qAZMBCZxWVsgrloF2az749LX2JU3JK7Ru8AqvAkC3jVEPsGmIWyStM9bgnG6Sr WqGuOadpO9K/+U58mN84WKc/I0v8AIB98SU/o= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=c+axpycRYbM8TzkK1ZoaBQBUsF0zUfCYOn6De80BhIQ=; b=aMXAFIRC6zIr8V88pPBVA2B63o4S0VUIbsKkxi8J/Valf71W/B/+5wZ4KA/W8VaM2c 47p/DTrxGakp9lgVDUJroysZRNiVuqLW4wjdfjSekQLN0dwjTVRY1IJFo8jFhbNrKjaj 9F/Oo4CqTDRuPt6zyBfRwKwNXGer9nWzFjxINWfL0vOqyQoMpqMxVFk8yg38PkDZAg1I +1n6kscpAXDtZ+dTw4/aEJ9U4IcLo3OBDiERZ0w0A+Xz2bO0DN16Ve2TzcElUIAP/Jly RJjnDDOrEyDEb+sGTeuV5EZyJL8JnjjcT57oNW1NIUVLe4KkR+kbOnZ5zmd7qZboG2/K D7Tw== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXJio47/s+n1vXNJwmVv8HgkqAPtfLMkCLIqM37ShVlgaklISbHTp94amNzXw18QBOx/G7grZvA70/OVPg== X-Received: by 10.55.5.145 with SMTP id 139mr24038047qkf.77.1482690361310; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 10:26:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.133.38 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 10:26:00 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [151.248.146.13] In-Reply-To: <86dda095c910a87e098687f346b9ed1b@openmailbox.org> References: <87r34ywqat.fsf@gmail.com> <86dda095c910a87e098687f346b9ed1b@openmailbox.org> From: David Craven Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 19:26:00 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#25254: [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux To: =?UTF-8?Q?Luis_Felipe_L=C3=B3pez_Acevedo?= , Ricardo Wurmus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25254 Cc: 25254@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) > To David, the Guix developers had the intention to call the system just GNU, > and distribute it as GNU (Guix is a GNU project after all), but RMS didn't > agree, so it was decided to use the GuixSD name and call it "A distribution > of GNU", and not "THE distribution of GNU." [1] First I appreciate all the work done by members of GNU project or any other free software project. I don't object to calling guixsd THE GNU operating system, because that means that guixsd is an operating system called GNU and is a project from the GNU organization. If we call it A GNU operating system then it requires additional explanation. We can not expect people to know what the criteria is for an operating system being A GNU operating system. I've spent a considerable amount of the last 8 years learning about computers and I don't find it clear (as I mentioned in an earlier email there are multiple possible interpretations of what a GNU system is). If it is explained somewhere then it is not a problem. I also think that supporting Hurd also as a kernel does not make guixsd not a Linux distribution, but makes guixsd both a Linux and a Hurd distribution. I find it sensible to empathize the "better known" one, but I don't have any attachment to a particular name or kernel. What to call something is ultimately a marketing issue and not a technical issue. If I had to sell red bananas, I'd call the product a banana. Saying it is not a banana it is a red banana, and that the main thing about the banana is the fact that it's red so I'll market my product as simply red isn't a sound decision in my opinion. If I ask someone do you want to buy a banana they might say mmh yes I'm hungry, I'd like a banana thanks. Oh cool it's a red banana! On the other hand if I go and say do you want to buy some red? I'd expect to get a less positive response. No thank you I don't need red. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 25 14:29:30 2016 Received: (at 25254) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2016 19:29:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54953 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cLEU6-0004Wf-7e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:29:30 -0500 Received: from mail-wm0-f65.google.com ([74.125.82.65]:32892) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cLEU5-0004WO-2H for 25254@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:29:29 -0500 Received: by mail-wm0-f65.google.com with SMTP id u144so50506625wmu.0 for <25254@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 11:29:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=FZ9R9jm/bT1HXvS1OTeCHJFMAX/SRa0WE1kTFa7lXck=; b=U3gU4+NFiPX6UFDQ/2BDCatG2dKP17iFNzF+p1oPIbRWbj2TGgMBg6jSaqhcXWdcbN gEHY98EolCsBrp12gbZTIVVhppGNGpXyAJGMw/PeQiWuj4646SQu8cmQc1dYQy0hgh6y Ab/5p7aPVcyG17CcrS5dSydSQhMBuVxwwXuO2kg5ZJNt3OptTxHQpPPQKI2cOPQs6xNR mXA58oh/vuc3dtBXK/ewwceoDijWQIDeXCgL9sor3VWKrgzE2JcoR2lta5ihR3iBQUE+ 8gxdMCEMUHKNS1UQTUpC6V2z+GbN5CfaCtCUzEW9BEMSDPnvSEAfj/vOpLl6/BRrZW5G J4TQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=FZ9R9jm/bT1HXvS1OTeCHJFMAX/SRa0WE1kTFa7lXck=; b=e0KTRkDGFOSFf/p9d38Vx88UyMLzNTlA1ZIeYeOB5YNFsfYLNvgWszVLaBjTIzlHRB e40mU20Qs8x47m1030RKY/Ku48OgbPkziuEQL9yYW17WJl7qlJqiEEK1nS39a9JnjOlW M08oVJlu5NwNYj+nXqmriQlneHJAUIs7JFwwbWN94s2VghrXQcp1K+OtJAsbgMDYpNRL MtUxLsHMcNG5Fq/Yg8wY70zDdDuEne8HDw7fCi8NodKg/GALxfOTNozkN4CzJZZ5Brbr PCyGG81VvDvqckfdDTL6VcPg4CSGljhGPQ5CfSQpu3qxR55mzlk0fjAMo/lNAy+mO4wy Y+4g== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXLRJjUQqoHcY0ZKFASS75p49heFXxpqZoW/Qe7yWPGPnBD48Op7+Nlpbvkw48/3nw== X-Received: by 10.28.211.72 with SMTP id k69mr19959800wmg.137.1482694162892; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 11:29:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from T420 ([2a02:908:c30:3540:221:ccff:fe66:68f0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j1sm51455809wjm.26.2016.12.25.11.29.21 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 25 Dec 2016 11:29:22 -0800 (PST) From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1?= =?utf-8?Q?=2FKammer?=) To: David Craven Subject: Re: bug#25254: [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux distribution" References: <87r34ywqat.fsf@gmail.com> <87vau9c96w.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 20:35:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: (David Craven's message of "Sun, 25 Dec 2016 00:51:14 +0100") Message-ID: <87o9zzdcoq.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25254 Cc: 25254@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) David Craven writes: > Please change to the GNU distribution. Or alternatively if you are > going to say a GNU distribution provide a link to or an explanation of > what it means. I wanted to avoid a larger discussion, but OK, I haven't ever written a comprehensive answer to such a question, so here goes. I can link people to it in the future... An operating system is a software system that manages hardware and software resources to offer a platform for end-user applications to operate on. For instance OpenBSD is an operating system, but GNU IceCat is not. (See Wikipedia for details.) If an operating system consists of components developed by the GNU project, then that's the GNU operating system. This should be pretty obvious. :-) GNU operating system components include, among others: - the GNU toolchain: GCC, Autotools (Autoconf, Automake, Libtool), GNU Make, binutils, Bison, GNU m4, GDB - GRUB - Hurd - glibc - the GNU userland: Bash, coreutils, findutils, diffutils, inetutils, GNU grep, GNU awk, GNU tar, etc. The Hurd is not nearly as functional as one would like a production level kernel to be, so the Linux kernel is frequently used in its place. Whether the operating system is then still the GNU operating system just with a part replacement, or whether it becomes a different one, is a matter of semantics. The Linux kernel is quite large, brings with itself a collection of userland tools, and is relied on directly by a lot of end-user applications instead of being encapsulated away entirely by the rest of the operating system, so I think it's fair to call an operating system GNU/Linux when the Linux kernel is used instead of the Hurd. Complicating matters a bit, the Linux-libre project, while merely maintaining a modified Linux kernel, is a GNU project as well, so it could be debated whether the last paragraph does or doesn't apply when the operating system uses the Linux-libre kernel. Regardless of what one thinks about the last three paragraphs, the intent of GuixSD as a project is to provide a distribution of the GNU operating system. This means that replacing tools like GCC or glibc is unthinkable, whereas compatibility with the Hurd could be said to be a relatively high-level concern of the project, and Linux-libre is used for pragmatic purposes. Contrast this with the majority of GNU/Linux distributions whose main developers don't care about Hurd compatibility at all. (Off-shoot projects like ArchHurd exist, and their patches may be accepted upstream, but they are just side projects.) For these reasons, it makes sense to call GuixSD a distribution of the GNU operating system, which for now offers by default an installation using the Linux-libre kernel, as that is more pragmatic. Disclaimer: I cannot speak for the Guix project leaders, but as far as I understand their views are more or less like what I describe in the previous two paragraphs, which is why the project homepage says that GuixSD is a distribution of the GNU operating system. > Calling it a GNU distribution implies that there are more than one, > please provide an example of another GNU distribution. A google > search for GNU distribution doesn't turn up any results. Perhaps ArchHurd or Debian GNU/Hurd may be considered GNU distributions. Even if there are no other distributions of GNU though, that doesn't mean GuixSD can't be one. > Please also remove it from the list of GNU/Linux distributions here: > https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html I was rather thinking of having that page corrected to say that it's a list of GNU and GNU/Linux distributions. :-) Taylan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 25 14:44:50 2016 Received: (at 25254) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2016 19:44:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54963 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cLEiw-0004vG-NL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:44:50 -0500 Received: from mail-wm0-f47.google.com ([74.125.82.47]:38100) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cLEiv-0004v1-7u for 25254@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:44:49 -0500 Received: by mail-wm0-f47.google.com with SMTP id k184so56841675wme.1 for <25254@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 11:44:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=zj7emBiBtYHzzf4rup3k1y5AECFbhglIGkg9DY7EXK0=; b=flxz0yHdQt4fKXe3joG33ZfWFF5HRCS8r2tVFNxQrhp6vI2JSixobKvDHXwBvO2Wuq 824Lo1/SnexMwBBRZYjZG8PDU5WQ+kDxzR1e421lSCiJfVS6opSeWxmIscGJH9TVj/Ui +E4qOlWRgOOZrffQCTlhUOaPSspfUH7mLAQJAGj1nXUvgRViuK9dqidx/xvc1a101TTh wAHj7HHbdCMskTd9wC11EqUg38lo2STz5wp2G6fBZXaM7EnqLdv56maVkafeCTl8nWb/ czSeNgEOG31rK88q1F/jEBIwDOjVCNCKhWV/GfKwH1LVjf7ix/vr3xBCtamRiofXUqnT cUPw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=zj7emBiBtYHzzf4rup3k1y5AECFbhglIGkg9DY7EXK0=; b=FRxUqnAqLSMnDmhGoZjRmb2tK91bAq6+F9zvqQDdBYcojd23syF6CXSPpbXaqsIozd /f/W6f7Sl3I15dllS9xiD+ChHbZ+v6HJ88cFeKBnfrY/Fhw1KKNXuHpuPro7iJ/E5v4U qwvYNr/pD15esTB7GTRZYKNok78o71rCnCxH9NJ3hwaIuhL0nDPKxROXDnozpDJxQOE5 jIr3uwj4lWI/SbvZ7JhLgPMmPFwqvGebQ3/ISrzDlasmopzzSopHQE6ykswS5YA+X9pR Gt+v93CNpLjUSNcHn14k+D8Hs5nu9uoYkSacxpJAgCMj+enNj2i5n0ES7EGozFuxK94q 6NEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXIQSWyrvw1sESxrUifi/lzzJg9RXheiYh522NVaoEcAJHWuCptzGVZ9qbuD8/x3OA== X-Received: by 10.28.178.205 with SMTP id b196mr22309153wmf.8.1482695083581; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 11:44:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from T420 ([2a02:908:c30:3540:221:ccff:fe66:68f0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f67sm48007266wmd.13.2016.12.25.11.44.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 25 Dec 2016 11:44:42 -0800 (PST) From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1?= =?utf-8?Q?=2FKammer?=) To: Luis Felipe =?utf-8?Q?L=C3=B3pez?= Acevedo Subject: Re: bug#25254: [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux References: <87r34ywqat.fsf@gmail.com> <86dda095c910a87e098687f346b9ed1b@openmailbox.org> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 20:50:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: <86dda095c910a87e098687f346b9ed1b@openmailbox.org> ("Luis Felipe =?utf-8?Q?L=C3=B3pez?= Acevedo"'s message of "Sun, 25 Dec 2016 11:45:50 -0500") Message-ID: <87k2andbz6.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25254 Cc: 25254@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Luis Felipe L=C3=B3pez Acevedo writes: > Instead of the current patch, however, I'd change the whole paragraph > to something like this (a combination with the current first paragraph > on Wikipedia): > > GuixSD (Guix System Distribution) is a distribution of the [GNU > operating system][link] centered on the GNU Guix package manager. It > uses the [Linux-libre kernel][link] by default, with the [GNU > Hurd][link] being supported as of version 0.12.0. As a GNU > distribution, it is committed to respecting and enhancing the > [freedom][link] of its users, and adheres to the [GNU Free System > Distribution Guidelines][link]. I also like this idea. Here's a new patch. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: inline; filename=0001-website-about-Refine-paragraph-about-GuixSD.patch >From b5672296e91671918035ca90370844c00f394340 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: =?UTF-8?q?Taylan=20Ulrich=20Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Kammer?= Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 22:14:18 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] website: about: Refine paragraph about GuixSD. * website/www/about.scm (about-page): Say that GuixSD is a distribution of GNU and not a GNU/Linux distribution. Mention use of Linux-libre by default and support of Hurd. --- website/www/about.scm | 11 +++++++++-- 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/website/www/about.scm b/website/www/about.scm index 38f3a1e..32646d8 100644 --- a/website/www/about.scm +++ b/website/www/about.scm @@ -48,8 +48,15 @@ volunteers around the world under the umbrella of the " "GNU Project") ". " " This is the official web site for both projects. ") - (p "GuixSD is a GNU/Linux distribution committed to -respecting and enhancing " + (p "GuixSD (Guix System Distribution) is a distribution of the " + (a (@ (href ,(gnu-url ""))) "GNU operating system") + " centered on the GNU Guix package manager. It uses the" + (a (@ (href ,(gnu-url "software/linux-libre"))) + "Linux-libre kernel") + " by default, with the " + (a (@ (href ,(gnu-url "software/hurd"))) "Hurd") + " being supported as of version 0.12.0. As a GNU +distribution, it is committed to respecting and enhancing " (a (@ (href ,(gnu-url "philosophy/free-sw.html"))) "the freedom of its users") ". As such, it adheres to the " -- 2.10.2 --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 25 14:56:01 2016 Received: (at 25254) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2016 19:56:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54975 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cLEtl-0005Cs-7W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:56:01 -0500 Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]:60483) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cLEtk-0005Ch-3Q for 25254@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:56:00 -0500 Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AC3207FD; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:55:59 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=famulari.name; h= cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=s5yiSn3gN9WVWvdS5YA3+WKby+A=; b=DjW2KS of0WC1bxqhTQMJslh4bIr5InMW6+DSVTwA49PyPGfysYyzg9IHbVs9YtONYf0rH2 m+2r5NOjok/OegxAU/sRxAJl+W2Wjwg5XqIFI4hk5g4gHQFfdqfMYfN1iq1jBKVp U77oRFlcOrsYyklzXhvTjvxz0IHftK18AMxbs= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=s5yiSn3gN9WVWv dS5YA3+WKby+A=; b=ss/OjeRhmVpBJYqszED09VL/N7fQvTECgOaZFg2zQXnba9 plAkKjxP/HKG9uwoOL1ZwoQLNbmFCc21nkSfSQXIMhJkDPOxR1W8AZPmpB9FLz8G KwC2eJi+t4YveWFdXd7mRjJBV4gwEjltPWgV7Jjp3wxVBfW+SpVS/5sjOhARA= X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: zELG7c3pFRkZJwgAlXf2XlblP7KRvLMH24C6OxLBEBrt 1482695759 Received: from localhost (c-76-110-75-179.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [76.110.75.179]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 50D4E7E808; Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:55:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:55:57 -0500 From: Leo Famulari To: David Craven Subject: Re: bug#25254: [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux distribution" Message-ID: <20161225195557.GB29053@jasmine> References: <87r34ywqat.fsf@gmail.com> <87vau9c96w.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25254 Cc: Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?B?QmF5xLFybMSxL0thbW1lcg==?= , 25254@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 12:51:14AM +0100, David Craven wrote: > Please change to the GNU distribution. Or alternatively if you are > going to say a GNU distribution provide a link to or an explanation of > what it means. Calling it a GNU distribution implies that there are > more than one, please provide an example of another GNU distribution. > A google search for GNU distribution doesn't turn up any results. > Please also remove it from the list of GNU/Linux distributions here: > https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html FYI, this suggestion was discussed previously: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-system-discuss/2014-12/msg00094.html >From that thread, specifically: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-system-discuss/2015-01/msg00015.html And related discussion on guix-devel: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2015-01/msg00047.html From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 29 17:10:15 2016 Received: (at 25254-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Dec 2016 22:10:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59456 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cMitq-00087O-Q6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:10:14 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60018) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cMito-000879-AW for 25254-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:10:12 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cMitf-0007Qy-U6 for 25254-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:10:07 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59742) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cMitf-0007Qs-QS; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:10:03 -0500 Received: from reverse-83.fdn.fr ([80.67.176.83]:51650 helo=pluto) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cMitf-0006rS-1k; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:10:03 -0500 From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) To: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?=22Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1?= =?utf-8?Q?=2FKammer=22?=) Subject: Re: bug#25254: [minor] 'About' page says GuixSD is a "GNU/Linux References: <87r34ywqat.fsf@gmail.com> <86dda095c910a87e098687f346b9ed1b@openmailbox.org> <87k2andbz6.fsf@gmail.com> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 9 =?utf-8?Q?Niv=C3=B4se?= an 225 de la =?utf-8?Q?R?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 23:10:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87k2andbz6.fsf@gmail.com> ("Taylan Ulrich \=\?utf-8\?Q\?\=5C\=22Ba\?\= \=\?utf-8\?Q\?y\=C4\=B1rl\=C4\=B1\=2FKammer\=5C\=22\=22's\?\= message of "Sun, 25 Dec 2016 20:50:53 +0100") Message-ID: <87lguye69z.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25254-done Cc: Luis Felipe =?utf-8?Q?L=C3=B3pez?= Acevedo , 25254-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) Hello Guix! taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich "Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Kammer") skribis: > From b5672296e91671918035ca90370844c00f394340 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: =3D?UTF-8?q?Taylan=3D20Ulrich=3D20Bay=3DC4=3DB1rl=3DC4=3DB1/Kammer?= =3D > > Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 22:14:18 +0100 > Subject: [PATCH] website: about: Refine paragraph about GuixSD. > > * website/www/about.scm (about-page): Say that GuixSD is a distribution > of GNU and not a GNU/Linux distribution. Mention use of Linux-libre > by default and support of Hurd. > --- > website/www/about.scm | 11 +++++++++-- > 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/website/www/about.scm b/website/www/about.scm > index 38f3a1e..32646d8 100644 > --- a/website/www/about.scm > +++ b/website/www/about.scm > @@ -48,8 +48,15 @@ volunteers around the world under the umbrella of the " > "GNU Project") ". " > " This is the official web site for both projects.= ") >=20=20 > - (p "GuixSD is a GNU/Linux distribution committed to > -respecting and enhancing " > + (p "GuixSD (Guix System Distribution) is a distribution = of the " > + (a (@ (href ,(gnu-url ""))) "GNU operating system") > + " centered on the GNU Guix package manager. It uses = the" > + (a (@ (href ,(gnu-url "software/linux-libre"))) > + "Linux-libre kernel") > + " by default, with the " > + (a (@ (href ,(gnu-url "software/hurd"))) "Hurd") > + " being supported as of version 0.12.0. As a GNU > +distribution, it is committed to respecting and enhancing " > (a (@ (href ,(gnu-url "philosophy/free-sw.html"))) > "the freedom of its users") I pushed it with a slight adjustment to reflect the fact that GuixSD does not yet support the Hurd. :-) Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. From unknown Sat Jun 21 02:48:31 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 12:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator