From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:24:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25174: C-h v some keymap now gives some numbers instead of the familiar bindings Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 19:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 25174 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 25174@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.148148568528095 (code B ref -1); Sun, 11 Dec 2016 19:49:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Dec 2016 19:48:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38436 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cGA6P-0007J4-0g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2016 14:48:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33737) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cGA6N-0007IV-E5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2016 14:48:03 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGA6H-00051i-BF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2016 14:47:58 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:50648) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGA6H-00051e-7q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2016 14:47:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52933) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGA6G-0002il-6d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2016 14:47:57 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGA6D-00050o-5a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2016 14:47:56 -0500 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:36017 helo=homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGA6C-00050b-VM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2016 14:47:53 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF80A28406E for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:47:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=GldjaePlErJJ+wVnsaj IKbkRzRc=; b=DVHk+aF4vjzh/vt9YIo13bkvF2j2UCAp6glOe9vu4Ag3JmKIRuc xZoZCfY7cofbgnM+GQ5mfcIKMtjhWhmsStxnpieGTxXcbHr7msmTgGNWVd9pdw5h sxtoUjGf4QIXftAVEmbNBfdQc0Zehb/mUdOvT4stNzlH8RGxI96cEOvY= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-37-154.dynamic.hinet.net [114.41.37.154]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 28A0D28406C for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:47:49 -0800 (PST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 02:17:27 +0800 Message-ID: <87d1gy9vpk.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) C-h v some keymap now gives some numbers instead of the familiar bindings= . flyspell-mode-map is a variable defined in =E2=80=98flyspell.el=E2=80=99. Its value is (keymap (3 keymap (36 . flyspell-correct-word-before-point)) (67108910 . flyspell-auto-correct-word) (67108908 . flyspell-goto-next-error) (67108923 . flyspell-auto-correct-previous-word) (27 keymap (9 . flyspell-auto-correct-word))) This variable may be risky if used as a file-local variable. Documentation: Minor mode keymap for Flyspell mode--for the whole buffer. emacs-version "25.1.1" From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:24:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25174: C-h v some keymap now gives some numbers instead of the familiar bindings Resent-From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 04:03:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25174 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 25174@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 25174-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25174.148160175524380 (code B ref 25174); Tue, 13 Dec 2016 04:03:02 +0000 Received: (at 25174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2016 04:02:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39971 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cGeIU-0006LA-Nh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 23:02:34 -0500 Received: from mail-io0-f175.google.com ([209.85.223.175]:36424) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cGeIS-0006Kp-7Z for 25174@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 23:02:33 -0500 Received: by mail-io0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 136so33306327iou.3 for <25174@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:02:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pcWH6G3tJUmnP34qdUGSlLiz2aKsyMM/7wFBOxfKG/0=; b=VoPw+2HfOFni6vds+KV+Ctp4tPZvMTQk1cITFvyCTFEva1vYfs+o/pEJFcAq4hVJ0I bwwTFkMPeVFWYIyaDPabLmoulNNVBjHpfM857Cp30kSMP6ge8xTJQPcBtbjC5T+3NgUy mmzGEr63olXON8rpFT4ozwXBVJRRtR5OcAQm0hEbnI3vTHQ+uEL2LQgJuoHVwIRObIFF uWiOrIHfZCrHLZJjJO97acfOAdUPQdQuN4FbK5eqX/bYpB1rpHRe7VPe/qyBV7TGhKfl F6xpg/tmC30VF6xsShghPRprgjVwFnkUMhLgSdMvjxAYL8t9Uqi5nxzVr/nkyYwNuhUe xZ+w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=pcWH6G3tJUmnP34qdUGSlLiz2aKsyMM/7wFBOxfKG/0=; b=Yfx1P6QJyCk/xuR22Vb7jFCyy+6g7/aX7VR2FLnLvORhMS6Z2Ha3EPPU8NrV3xqHV0 vecRDdG/NOV/JeibQhBdVW4VhjK7PGG12Dp6eBCdMWbW5Y0ygD9uXk4sATZJvbPvn3+Y X2gfUDHV1wDg9DX1N0KpFFO+wKmgeQSUWU/jbkDYcRr4K5xw6gtHJpzfBMnVX2xVxd02 TN4AhBleJf/47LgdJINVUPLpjgknkKUcpYWLtI2KmvPstsn0CBJ9laMryMpXLXOE2AV8 2zMaViNU5NMtMPwe99p/xef1tDpE3LkyN77sI3SgeOfrE3ZeNliNTSl7kTGOBEJhXXQS higA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC02JMgc2q7CzzA6Onk8kMxnIvDHFtlxGy9M/Y+Phwc5vwVgfo+larO2xN4hNUjZSnQ== X-Received: by 10.36.66.76 with SMTP id i73mr797693itb.50.1481601746507; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:02:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from zony ([45.2.7.65]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id t20sm288099ita.7.2016.12.12.20.02.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:02:26 -0800 (PST) From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net References: <87d1gy9vpk.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 23:03:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87d1gy9vpk.fsf@jidanni.org> ("=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Mon, 12 Dec 2016 02:17:27 +0800") Message-ID: <87k2b4cw6o.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > C-h v some keymap now gives some numbers instead of the familiar > bindings. What do you mean by "now"? It seems to be consistent to as far back as 23.4. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:24:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25174: C-h v some keymap now gives some numbers instead of the familiar bindings In-Reply-To: <87d1gy9vpk.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 05:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25174 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Cc: 25174@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 25174-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25174.14816086911763 (code B ref 25174); Tue, 13 Dec 2016 05:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 25174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2016 05:58:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40015 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cGg6N-0000SM-9L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 00:58:11 -0500 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:60723 helo=homiemail-a9.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cGg6M-0000SE-8Z for 25174@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 00:58:10 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a9.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a9.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DC35BE06D; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 21:58:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=Zw8iDAoOL6oyjLnGGgwHZ51tcsc=; b=possTBCwzmGoS liLR+BJuXVka2fdQhkjxU4zKHxIJsevgAPY7SbgLMGRkemysCSvJ+5FIkdD9nDXT HmVIOp9dU2Tm16J4bPADP8XZ9oBmQy2JXNAcncHcGfvCzWhAUBoGew0W+R6bZQGK 2awbE5YFAQaEf5mGwpzArk/zVWZ2Tw= Received: from jidanni.org (122-118-148-52.dynamic.hinet.net [122.118.148.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a9.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EBA825BE06B; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 21:58:06 -0800 (PST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <87d1gy9vpk.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 13:58:03 +0800 Message-ID: <878trk74lw.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Well it's bad. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:24:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25174: C-h v some keymap now gives some numbers instead of the familiar bindings Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 19:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25174 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 25174@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Received: via spool by 25174-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25174.157108216427476 (code B ref 25174); Mon, 14 Oct 2019 19:43:01 +0000 Received: (at 25174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Oct 2019 19:42:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41755 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iK6Eu-000795-LX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 15:42:44 -0400 Received: from [80.91.231.51] (port=38438 helo=quimby.gnus.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iK6Et-00078x-2s for 25174@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 15:42:43 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iK6Ep-0003Ld-4i; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 21:42:41 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87d1gy9vpk.fsf@jidanni.org> <878trk74lw.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 21:42:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: <878trk74lw.fsf@jidanni.org> ("=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Tue, 13 Dec 2016 13:58:03 +0800") Message-ID: <878spnglld.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 25174 notabug close 25174 quit Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 SPF_NONE SPF: sender does not publish an SPF Record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) tags 25174 notabug close 25174 quit From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:24:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25174: C-h v some keymap now gives some numbers instead of the familiar bindings Resent-From: Michael Heerdegen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 20:10:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25174 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, 25174@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Received: via spool by 25174-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25174.15710837956224 (code B ref 25174); Mon, 14 Oct 2019 20:10:02 +0000 Received: (at 25174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Oct 2019 20:09:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41819 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iK6fD-0001cK-Am for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:09:55 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:50451) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iK6fB-0001c3-9y for 25174@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:09:53 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1571083770; bh=cXWslIN/AoYedwTWEUfehVPfk42iW0Z471KnNq45ESE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Rgq/yQ8X8kBLq1D113bHW0P33RekZPbQu+HPJGsWGFo9bjIP6d7//pWaUnFGs739V 9b1HZwWTMl6i1SqtxgsVXxt3GzhHpHFnTnTbqUnntYQFDRZ5bukEnoIIulvuDwSptA q8Iq0op3QmE6I6puytu7HikO42Y5/ep6v6G3Z88c= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.222.9]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MMZck-1iQ93s1Ra2-008HZD; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:09:30 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen References: <87d1gy9vpk.fsf@jidanni.org> <878trk74lw.fsf@jidanni.org> <878spnglld.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:09:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: <878spnglld.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 14 Oct 2019 21:42:38 +0200") Message-ID: <87h84bytq7.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:gabbZHcHPwR8+Fy1Gva5nsCYP//EFK5NIIcQFKB/wqPcLEuoG/I 45+UxatgGPKSe3UnNsWLOI/ZZJyk8FRgCzheZ/oeQjb8v9fndnAqnA+u0qNm4fPcPY9Ae0Z MqfBfpmMWQjljBbA+49uPg3BM2HpEHfBi+/Hpdss5CqXsL1TGZxwakH4PAcNdi8vjwB1UsP 5GuI2lSaNryRJDaHjViPw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:pZe0HAXTzGM=:QpE5y81WvA21JcT5tJkuff Z+XXZpBQsVq/Sh9hxjvW7/BuPuWXnEZEv0wlbehdBpgkomqKPHQi787eoIcb9Pohfa61h4Wtx GKvmCi0kOHwON15HU+tGUdkxBlAl6bvKniTD259OWacpB1ktSls0gMZCJds5JG2H4p6inqhND +nSbvSDZWqpJwrF0nHvII9OevWkgvzswCKUhDNqsfPzfv+HsNHkGHopimu7e7ba6b/6y5MQzF M5Udf/ibHrgGwEgU7oamB/57Np9ePlI7ijoWv8PwM25XYkbDOhYwqBADElHlr0z1wXQlEm/vT F271LWAMJyq16Sfyyf2zlv2pp3p1pV57jVVhcOy4YoeFLuYEUSmZjAs805Mp01cJHreeiCKAb DSDtvvoFM/adkxE3fHfW+vZ8HfHgo72CzF9SRlVjdErX5Yk24h1VliQrVLR8GsfumrtZQiTlE 7G5qYpKllPcPEM+JG6VoWVAVlZS9frBT3dWvKw2T7FK2T/dvl5iuZkSYXW+v9AkBowrZU847b hDUcvpSFWcoI16ec0ql32Tdu7xrlCLwrzG3LWrB1/PLR9rz4eoWxPpwvjT5VwNJJrue74W6EQ VTYNTZBbD8BIwnADxncdoXyD5oxf7j1WJedPtAlWIcqGFX0YHI4pbPil9IKe67LeVyRjIMfhe YzyRja7zoA1qeVD/7sal+GQ8WRdc5ZVkUOfx/4uajC2PYg1IdRSqQCakHi5QehNPXB5fY4Uis 1xpVB2cgIVSeouq646t0+NXtglselnuC5747XnP2NjRhHjuTd/ni+5hDve/9KgtvkZcmwO7FN 5njm9p9kQDEMRxs+cSrVH7t+3LPBvt44yu3s5WaJfcQqg7mJDUvPITT9QuWaep+VNge7RxmGa +ADM/HnhJzXhqN9qaYKLx/rXwVbaZLDjrqDUc8//1nOFhHdaVtg9b0zk/OXyLabcw9Cv31G9J 7QDmYeSEt96ybaWsdn7I7FiBZj101HeZ+Lssv+6YeonJAAcrBrVhKTLczvgkSdrgUfp05gZns ZuaDZ9igPe66IU+ctNBRH5Jvq1QaoyDTdwOkB+mTnXUWs8/yrDtHom/+cctpYZm3K4zdFvs5r ZLtifeHFVAsBRZRshaIgRHWRvc/+qCENa4SrkRQXrYFKax7fu/PA2P6zx4aum7/EbeyBE5Bxc K42J/4Fnzb4iIylBjATYOreNmi9xYFtyf/q7fnph9p+RrhmRmFSaFlt2gVvKhvza4yC+Ptrx0 bSPVIWv6Ddq+5JfAh9a4k34SPSq/KDS7hBJdC3D9oCGoYoL3hH9ILvtEeb1I= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > That's the value of the keymap variable, so I don't see anything to > fix here. But I think the report is about how this value is being printed. 67108908 is not that...informative. I guess one could teach cl-print to produce a more human readable syntax for keymaps. That could also be useful for M-:. Michael. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:24:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25174: C-h v some keymap now gives some numbers instead of the familiar bindings Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 20:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25174 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, 25174@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Received: via spool by 25174-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25174.15710839386520 (code B ref 25174); Mon, 14 Oct 2019 20:13:01 +0000 Received: (at 25174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Oct 2019 20:12:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41825 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iK6hV-0001h5-Oo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:12:18 -0400 Received: from [80.91.231.51] (port=39144 helo=quimby.gnus.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iK6hS-0001gt-O7 for 25174@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:12:16 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iK6hL-0003eE-S8; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:12:11 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87d1gy9vpk.fsf@jidanni.org> <878trk74lw.fsf@jidanni.org> <878spnglld.fsf@gnus.org> <87h84bytq7.fsf@web.de> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:12:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87h84bytq7.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:09:36 +0200") Message-ID: <874l0bw0h4.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Michael Heerdegen writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> That's the value of the keymap variable, so I don't see anything to >> fix here. > > But I think the report is about how this value is being printed. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Michael Heerdegen writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> That's the value of the keymap variable, so I don't see anything to >> fix here. > > But I think the report is about how this value is being printed. [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: ingebrigtsen.no] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 SPF_NONE SPF: sender does not publish an SPF Record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) Michael Heerdegen writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> That's the value of the keymap variable, so I don't see anything to >> fix here. > > But I think the report is about how this value is being printed. > 67108908 is not that...informative. > > I guess one could teach cl-print to produce a more human readable syntax > for keymaps. That could also be useful for M-:. A keymap is just a list (or vector); C-h v should display it as is. If a user wants a readable output, there's `C-h b' etc. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:24:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25174: C-h v some keymap now gives some numbers instead of the familiar bindings Resent-From: Michael Heerdegen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 08:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25174 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, 25174@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Received: via spool by 25174-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25174.15711282832491 (code B ref 25174); Tue, 15 Oct 2019 08:32:01 +0000 Received: (at 25174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2019 08:31:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42690 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKIEk-0000e7-VW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 04:31:23 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.11]:60859) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKIEi-0000ds-FJ for 25174@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 04:31:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1571128256; bh=4Fl//C9TSvysnxK2UroLORQl66qb8b3LZsRKU6076Xc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Q8u0I9+4K2ZM0kX9levdCBHNa1dmJaC8F5YXmNpNtcrlRq2xnnIguz7ROXqeeIjG/ 2vUH0iN+vIOrgo2itDirjChpaFyFdJgXfRyX0m7FVpQfrhpOGsYLzr19BxjFCVsK17 nFdG48xUKm88tWkq6SwcugMDNBb2LF8fd5AtlT2Y= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.222.9]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb101 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MGiUP-1iFfXd2OzR-00DXt8; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 10:30:56 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen References: <87d1gy9vpk.fsf@jidanni.org> <878trk74lw.fsf@jidanni.org> <878spnglld.fsf@gnus.org> <87h84bytq7.fsf@web.de> <874l0bw0h4.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 10:31:02 +0200 In-Reply-To: <874l0bw0h4.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:12:07 +0200") Message-ID: <878spmz9yx.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Hd7mG0+aq1HHBhhQVcE3mvOO/fnnVJOJ2sUYjjVoeabfLOT8S3h ErGP5tXQSAsN5PirBrBjo6QspPW1VMRZ5Y10VK9hTFXjPr59/t7rSzNh0m1xbxrWzQtW9HX VxWVNJ7r7aDUi5Ui0xm0sseEnOM35C9gcfAZqtNT3P/sXZnxI7LugTHom20blmGtEveZaOw HItMAmdJ1V6R7KgslAWjw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:EBO1biykty0=:TV1vYX+7et6oxTF8RT6j4U THftLGd+xwZDn8SaQW8GhutMT1x2HyPJ9omDF4oR/a1InX61zQFOcsWyXnYVHx7r3AR0dlepV 1CchouOUuDZje6a7XGEKH4w7bZv4mXKTKZtXuGK1ktYryjZk9eBn47FtDhLSXPYMffZ2mdSse wgi0xQsgpE4ybHWDmuw+42y76MS5HcYh8Z1nUhyakxzh8WoFsjj/TgiShDs5VbX+MtrqPTF8M jcPV1Pe1bTF496+4BgnlpJd2fX8p6IqJ3q/6UihvltC752GFAA0XPPRE6aqpgTB96H8tPZPtj nJ7odoSWXZfvQTMwdLmEHwBWRvKkH01eUkhL2itOLRERzc5u+IcXTE0+dz3TY8DQ1xtjvPdX+ em35LlJdD6k/bXXczqwGyL671odR70aajA9NSoNtbaBITfd8QR10LAEszXkhlhChFyxQUZVbQ 0KtCG5EQEKrdiU17ucR1WyLO6O367bpLMtWYopp3u2gv0iJO0mv70EESTw3kSBVch6ezqsYO6 1Ch8eDGdjiwAH9+3860aQV9guvKxwnZpQZS2kXzwfneTu6+fr0p7visfRPtQ9RPfzKmHwFtG7 1Fga8ep6LEYjewAT51XMZn7eytz9ktX6nD8sSwPsBdEbFDURniUHE2mEcwOBa/WL6LCYbD3gz ZAkPzQh5htu2o4VBKQ6deIpe01hrpqWknG03VfQhbcKuABEduH0Bqz5397ObKPkf6nDEH86Vt Z59ddKx30fyfhTux9i01wDsuorGIu1a0YbuOefFdkj09lHDBwHQNL6LfbquGTTFisAY9bFMzO n+NN6SsqKPQ13GZi7YffiJZHBKHnPyTxQPq7QAUYGlq4apFEM57AIfk9FKX76PrwK+0/ZNFuF KrPwNc4WV8v1xXVh4yYIm7b+EiELo88Efudj/n/i79rVHLmgzah4GI7TCpoWyoLhytLtpc2zx QcEYgBnMv1Ch7STxo+imm0XrNl08jAN6juVuJJ1E1jjIs+YrxlMLUDi8WUXDZsVXHJpqWWHuU V3eydillWmbdAVjRazCjmHIKIglVxKffpPAg9RM/7Fgntmi1zcFdorQt4bI/XfqWRMvQQyaXJ Q4YGHdWG0OV30adspS9sFoKyy6jfFLEvNwKCFskmm0KAiPNA+33JtlVTcGmY1p12R8Dc6n5kA VViKnh94babWQxGAqjmTh0VJ1D62J3XL2mDvJrPR9uGKZIqXZV4JjjBfqv/Vv6fupVWDen26C 8QLbFu7WUOR0MUgW2rFziVZwFXnu2nCQ6Ontfg9lkPcm63KogDvq5VV3DcBs= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > A keymap is just a list (or vector); C-h v should display it as is. It would display it "as is", it would just use a syntax like e.g. ?t instead of 166. How would that be problematic? Michael. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:24:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25174: C-h v some keymap now gives some numbers instead of the familiar bindings Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 01:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25174 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, 25174@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Received: via spool by 25174-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25174.15711895116674 (code B ref 25174); Wed, 16 Oct 2019 01:32:02 +0000 Received: (at 25174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2019 01:31:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45047 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKYAJ-0001ja-2j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 21:31:51 -0400 Received: from [80.91.231.51] (port=42826 helo=quimby.gnus.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKYAH-0001jS-GH for 25174@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 21:31:50 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iKYAA-00078V-Am; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 03:31:46 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87d1gy9vpk.fsf@jidanni.org> <878trk74lw.fsf@jidanni.org> <878spnglld.fsf@gnus.org> <87h84bytq7.fsf@web.de> <874l0bw0h4.fsf@gnus.org> <878spmz9yx.fsf@web.de> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 03:31:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: <878spmz9yx.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Tue, 15 Oct 2019 10:31:02 +0200") Message-ID: <87a7a1pjb6.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Michael Heerdegen writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> A keymap is just a list (or vector); C-h v should display it as is. > > It would display it "as is", it would just use a syntax like e.g. ?t > instead [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. 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[URIs: ingebrigtsen.no] 0.0 SPF_NONE SPF: sender does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) Michael Heerdegen writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> A keymap is just a list (or vector); C-h v should display it as is. > > It would display it "as is", it would just use a syntax like e.g. ?t > instead of 166. How would that be problematic? I think it just sounds a bit confusing. Would users believe that ?t is something else than 166 just in a keymap context? And no matter how you display the keymap in `C-h v', it's going to be pretty incomprehensible. But there's also a parallel bug report about adding a describe-keymap command that'll display the keymap in a more sensible fashion (not as a list/vector at all), and that's probably going to be merged. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:24:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25174: C-h v some keymap now gives some numbers instead of the familiar bindings Resent-From: Michael Heerdegen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 08:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25174 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, 25174@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Received: via spool by 25174-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25174.157121618431869 (code B ref 25174); Wed, 16 Oct 2019 08:57:01 +0000 Received: (at 25174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2019 08:56:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45217 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKf6S-0008Hn-NG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 04:56:21 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.14]:51717) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iKf6Q-0008HT-Hw for 25174@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 04:56:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1571216154; bh=k1NBgez8/ShSMXI8wFWrQGNxeuuhmzeYVp95xV2RNSo=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=CkfFgFAODVa19Cw5c7zyavQ2BHLDh8/Sg5StRccgmow6zuOvojZXonprjMp/mH55Z 3ZTwMdwIMb+Oope6M0ssfSWk4FQoQwTLQW/emlae7V3KscIiBNJKT6bCynn9sHJSI9 AgUqC7CKGFzY01QK10/csNApBYk6FOC1c0ZDZFMc= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.222.9]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MUWCB-1iT9J31a7f-00RIKa; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:55:54 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen References: <87d1gy9vpk.fsf@jidanni.org> <878trk74lw.fsf@jidanni.org> <878spnglld.fsf@gnus.org> <87h84bytq7.fsf@web.de> <874l0bw0h4.fsf@gnus.org> <878spmz9yx.fsf@web.de> <87a7a1pjb6.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:56:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87a7a1pjb6.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 16 Oct 2019 03:31:41 +0200") Message-ID: <87pnixxe5a.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:33yuLpQSNTRaviiQkaUkzBpvEeKh5sfnzcdqpL3IYbMR2bQtpO9 gbk9zb5t3FEU2HYHXeTpig72BYxrCgVX6IsFGEbKZQiKRYRjyoIGaLgc2llkCBCsxXs0ky6 GqU8AFXBdJmQa2ZOk3oDp56ssQ2GGb/KZUW+6wZyk+c6+zxlKtOtHmTXCWTirym0y/6sNCe rXz8fPNHU/OVFAV6d8z6A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:mp+lF5mCVVQ=:UGtJ2fRoT27c6xF3TOzgLE WbNSO0vo0nooqIX7f0W991YelsBa3bnc2AaVCR0fjS6hp7JwtCgv/5H/f6TqnPw0po3RtHgXV ioKAHfclOzoRGusfEe3Ywreo3Mx5JfKhA2kWloIu0aK500iSzeHQOrsiQUjxj/eA41HkmhWkA b3AcZAgtuyUK/vxqXHzgXMoAoI4vPEhT0I/DZJnobPr+VNatSTuJy7ij3flA+xvCZp5aouEU3 41ufSxIyQSehItsWw64q3QRPbXrReYO0LwTtYYD0STzTGvFeR6xOVj09/TPDdFNjXbJXUr6kd lg2Pl5Lfd5u+HpbeKZNS8PwN6gUZVtA5DqjDeFSL32670ltoNQqjJlGwtLlZvBZk52FLhw1XI DneZTUE8KLyq0f+iiegE+b8YfxaiFyfSUgMXoRsgUAzZRRcgh9t0T0swowg2uylaMmlM/FTCl Gwel/1x90mOi2Erm/4HRubeezSj7Rx0VhlXeqETX+hsrd0VsuIIBeN4olti3OP+8lIp20KPrL bocLluoAoKucRlPFPk/HBs5pTa9GaZFiYQ8VcsBoUJ3nyS1YQg+fEIRAbLVVbpmK+DbjJgES2 wYW6/b9J1huP4jjwHsNfrMjKeIZgU9yCe+xs/8tjkdXRB4fvow9L7f0cggUwTl4IZOQKTq07s 2w5sP+X3+ADc5ZlLRT6jA9G++pBANk5iy+F+iVD4eOwaNc7zwulIZcDZeE+fhpS7mNJKVi/2+ Ykguk0cYXcrE1B6TyroRIyPssG5wdVTyn9+pD6fA/L1kU/dJx+gEhEHuTx7dlXbEbImYXbRNL fYVk7+/6iX/YesH+auKsiKWyVhsa3F/4JOrS71MkFGPwWgea9PUg9WKbhePVgcb/Q6/rqCulc /3T+2KiGA/OKE+56GR4a4R39IMeBifxqiMf8yvNdNSlMukrASoxLzyVESVQEwXAADzYz0vb8i Kndjo2ZPNzXTzC1YdWTI9zspEjjohxfhtRR13KF7HIX7IKathnzV/1My7QKnxyGrEtimLv3HB IcRtnvGb9rbhvJdOV94+sJ3+d84aov73MvxapwSprLKGeYud7NHqE2DEDCe/Hz56vZ5Em8E+3 i+XCFUiCgwaBZjRo+mgP9iz0SjKrtPvpDqQu/wl6ahoKIFTF52kNWmrwH8AB6kcF9wK6aJrxM ZLrF0FPdfQArKFuxyFPDNfvVuN5cdoZKjvf6IZ8dx4vG30PC20mb+BkamOnjHazHC2ZNqFJQk XZ/5qn+uIoZ3B059uOZ5oUYz2TkcofPuIWzb5BsdPR2jefyAyBf9mJkvv39g= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Michael Heerdegen writes: > > > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > > >> A keymap is just a list (or vector); C-h v should display it as is. > > > > It would display it "as is", it would just use a syntax like e.g. ?t > > instead of 166. How would that be problematic? > > I think it just sounds a bit confusing. Would users believe that ?t is > something else than 166 just in a keymap context? Why would they? This char syntax is widely used. > And no matter how you display the keymap in `C-h v', it's going to be > pretty incomprehensible. We have just very different opinions here I think. Michael.