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[46.128.198.151]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a13sm29774577wma.18.2016.12.11.01.45.35 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 11 Dec 2016 01:45:35 -0800 (PST) From: Philipp To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.0.50; It shouldn't be possible to set the function cell of nil and t Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 10:41:13 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) You can set the function cell of nil and t using `fset' and friends. But you can't call the `nil' function using (nil) (it does work with (t)). I think that attempting to set the function cell of nil and t is almost always a bug -- probably the programmer wanted to set a real symbol, but some of the constants got passed. I propose to signal an error (e.g. `setting-constant') whenever the function cell of nil and t is modified; maybe the same should happen for keywords. In GNU Emacs 26.0.50.5 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.10.8) of 2016-12-10 built on localhost Repository revision: dc62ea38e36b5de47893a60a76d66b7a79bf6437 Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11702000 System Description: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. 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I think that attempting to set the function cell of nil and t is > almost always a bug -- probably the programmer wanted to set a real > symbol, but some of the constants got passed. I propose to signal an > error (e.g. `setting-constant') whenever the function cell of nil and t > is modified; maybe the same should happen for keywords. I just did this yesterday... See https://debbugs.gnu.org/25110, ba8e883, and 3fd4433. 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Mon, 12 Dec 2016 15:25:45 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Philipp Subject: Re: bug#25166: 26.0.50; It shouldn't be possible to set the function cell of nil and t References: <5f7f76ia4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: Agfa Venezuela class struggle AVN HAMASMOIS anthrax Dick X-Ran: GhlY9~qc,f;?M1~q^VBBj|DFY0$ie4dS7)/AR60LBmZ&]$"S&uIr/2"O&;%yFXv6<|cHd* X-Hue: black X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 15:25:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5f7f76ia4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Sun, 11 Dec 2016 13:38:57 -0500") Message-ID: <1hpokwx5br.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.1 (--------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25166 Cc: 25166@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.1 (--------) Glenn Morris wrote: > Philipp wrote: > >> You can set the function cell of nil and t using `fset' and friends. >> But you can't call the `nil' function using (nil) (it does work with >> (t)). I think that attempting to set the function cell of nil and t is >> almost always a bug -- probably the programmer wanted to set a real >> symbol, but some of the constants got passed. I propose to signal an >> error (e.g. `setting-constant') whenever the function cell of nil and t >> is modified; maybe the same should happen for keywords. > > I just did this yesterday... > See https://debbugs.gnu.org/25110, ba8e883, and 3fd4433. And now see also ffb1302. :) Anyway, I only did "nil", since as you say "t" can actually be called as a function. But you are right that it's probably unintended. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 26 14:29:35 2016 Received: (at 25166) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Dec 2016 19:29:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55951 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cLaxj-0005pU-NZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2016 14:29:35 -0500 Received: from mail-wm0-f45.google.com ([74.125.82.45]:36659) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cLaxi-0005pG-0q for 25166@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2016 14:29:34 -0500 Received: by mail-wm0-f45.google.com with SMTP id c85so63796790wmi.1 for <25166@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 26 Dec 2016 11:29:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Ch19O+ziUl3dIKA5UwckPkr15lSiwTnc36UAk103BAU=; b=DZv2GrQzq8DLNkzXwtXlui/7F41zVENFHZtIzZ55QtubwqjlO6DtW8WpflI0sMU3Mv vDRx/6O3SDSo7ioRjfylkoqnAQEHRedPFcgyenPCgEoYipYiUJmakCZVCl7Xo7ly7/IP N497kvG4TsxlxI2p2iKGq+hmNdEQEn9mhZPu3RCHWIAK+IvXTke4E78seBWyefSxYPF2 ktb1D/zyp5uEy9dhphU9t3ug+yQD14E+2Tz/2RgvojZDFTRu1GwpY6FPHxpQK6HzslRa CO+z7FOXYZRfHYW1BIgTL1ezkMT+GfsVKkZLQeqYwkGtPxVX9IEbb0BDSfT6CIy5QbJg OIdw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Ch19O+ziUl3dIKA5UwckPkr15lSiwTnc36UAk103BAU=; b=GzQ2AEdYpaKZzjzyH0Vs8yP/wJ+55eol2CVarzxGQVHvbWA3JXOKQhrhL03NlobnWp 8Gc2ukSFiyLPqxyblLla35HUt8+4hX3w436MZi4OhH70qjEtyxNVKfUH0k+Vvwq2pTRB sc2lwZSNixXugNqdVzp94eHb+Ok8AZRswFl1v8ADpfl0JZrzyFMH8suyzUDjCI8cphGO my266FdjGEA4h0JrRdkMdYN3LFU14U/2MjyXBZqc6RUCPvErcHQpPnBLFMPaKZioaaBa fs2fo/zYZrxBcAj+wQB44eHmz/4u0xL5+KQy2L+sFRpYIXkch6zPpjdyVI88al9JjbZU Jt8Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXIoh7oCRyexs3fDyYZEzcROweozEMjlXvw5jSevsxt59vvBIs5q0PLKyPssMs+IorXnbD13B1D0mja/Tw== X-Received: by 10.28.216.65 with SMTP id p62mr25717282wmg.92.1482780568213; Mon, 26 Dec 2016 11:29:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5f7f76ia4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <1hpokwx5br.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <1hpokwx5br.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> From: Philipp Stephani Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 19:29:17 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#25166: 26.0.50; It shouldn't be possible to set the function cell of nil and t To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114706940c5edd054494c1f1 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25166 Cc: 25166@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) --001a114706940c5edd054494c1f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Glenn Morris schrieb am Mo., 12. Dez. 2016 um 21:25 Uhr: > Glenn Morris wrote: > > > Philipp wrote: > > > >> You can set the function cell of nil and t using `fset' and friends. > >> But you can't call the `nil' function using (nil) (it does work with > >> (t)). I think that attempting to set the function cell of nil and t is > >> almost always a bug -- probably the programmer wanted to set a real > >> symbol, but some of the constants got passed. I propose to signal an > >> error (e.g. `setting-constant') whenever the function cell of nil and t > >> is modified; maybe the same should happen for keywords. > > > > I just did this yesterday... > > See https://debbugs.gnu.org/25110, ba8e883, and 3fd4433. > > And now see also ffb1302. :) > Anyway, I only did "nil", since as you say "t" can actually be called as > a function. But you are right that it's probably unintended. > > Thanks! Interestingly the behavior was already added in 1994 (commit c15c5d408d696928862ca2848a359231e373556c), but apparently reverted later. I'd suggest to simply reinstate that commit. --001a114706940c5edd054494c1f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Glenn = Morris <rgm@gnu.org> schrieb am Mo= ., 12. Dez. 2016 um 21:25=C2=A0Uhr:
Glenn Morris wrote:

> Philipp wrote:
>
>> You can set the function cell of nil and t using `fset' and fr= iends.
>> But you can't call the `nil' function using (nil) (it does= work with
>> (t)).=C2=A0 I think that attempting to set the function cell of ni= l and t is
>> almost always a bug -- probably the programmer wanted to set a rea= l
>> symbol, but some of the constants got passed.=C2=A0 I propose to s= ignal an
>> error (e.g. `setting-constant') whenever the function cell of = nil and t
>> is modified; maybe the same should happen for keywords.
>
> I just did this yesterday...
> See https://debbugs.gnu.org/25110, ba8e883= , and 3fd4433.

And now see also ffb1302. :)
Anyway, I only did "nil", since as you say "t" can actu= ally be called as
a function. But you are right that it's probably unintended.


Thanks! Interestin= gly the behavior was already added in 1994 (commit c15c5d408d696928862ca284= 8a359231e373556c), but apparently reverted later. I'd suggest to simply= reinstate that commit.=C2=A0
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Philip= p Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.c= om> schrieb am Mo., 26. Dez. 2016 um 20:29=C2=A0Uhr:
Glenn Morris &= lt;rgm= @gnu.org> schrieb am Mo., 12. Dez. 2016 um 21:25=C2=A0Uhr:
Glenn Morris = wrote:

> Philipp wrote:
>
>> You can set the function cell of nil and t using `fset' and fr= iends.
>> But you can't call the `nil' function using (nil) (it does= work with
>> (t)).=C2=A0 I think that attempting to set the function cell of ni= l and t is
>> almost always a bug -- probably the programmer wanted to set a rea= l
>> symbol, but some of the constants got passed.=C2=A0 I propose to s= ignal an
>> error (e.g. `setting-constant') whenever the function cell of = nil and t
>> is modified; maybe the same should happen for keywords.
>
> I just did this yesterday...
> See https://debbugs.gnu.org/25110, ba8e883= , and 3fd4433.

And now see also ffb1302. :)
Anyway, I only did "nil", since as you say "t" can actu= ally be called as
a function. But you are right that it's probably unintended.


Thanks! Interestingly = the behavior was already added in 1994 (commit c15c5d408d696928862ca2848a35= 9231e373556c), but apparently reverted later. I'd suggest to simply rei= nstate that commit.=C2=A0

Here's a patch.=C2=A0
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Mon, 26 Dec 2016 14:47:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 21:47:21 +0200 Message-Id: <83wpemwjzq.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Philipp Stephani , Stefan Monnier In-reply-to: (message from Philipp Stephani on Mon, 26 Dec 2016 19:29:17 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#25166: 26.0.50; It shouldn't be possible to set the function cell of nil and t References: <5f7f76ia4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <1hpokwx5br.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.1 (--------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25166 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 25166@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.1 (--------) > From: Philipp Stephani > Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 19:29:17 +0000 > Cc: 25166@debbugs.gnu.org > > And now see also ffb1302. :) > Anyway, I only did "nil", since as you say "t" can actually be called as > a function. But you are right that it's probably unintended. > > Thanks! Interestingly the behavior was already added in 1994 (commit > c15c5d408d696928862ca2848a359231e373556c), but apparently reverted later. I'd suggest to simply > reinstate that commit. It was reverted in 32e5c58ca969ec30d31520da52c9866cafa62927. Perhaps Stefan could tell why he did that (the log message doesn't say). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 27 10:15:35 2016 Received: (at 25166) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Dec 2016 15:15:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57181 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cLtTT-0002MB-1N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2016 10:15:35 -0500 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:33615) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cLtTP-0002M2-WA for 25166@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2016 10:15:33 -0500 Received: from fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.7/8.14.1) with ESMTP id uBRFFTaF007853; Tue, 27 Dec 2016 10:15:30 -0500 Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6CBA5AE10D; Tue, 27 Dec 2016 10:15:29 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#25166: 26.0.50; It shouldn't be possible to set the function cell of nil and t Message-ID: References: <5f7f76ia4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <1hpokwx5br.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83wpemwjzq.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 10:15:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83wpemwjzq.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 26 Dec 2016 21:47:21 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 3 Rules triggered GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.1, EDT_SA_DN_PASS=0, RV5901=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <5901> : inlines <5609> : streams <1726483> : uri <2347955> X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25166 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, Philipp Stephani , 25166@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) > It was reverted in 32e5c58ca969ec30d31520da52c9866cafa62927. Perhaps > Stefan could tell why he did that (the log message doesn't say). Because there doesn't seem to be any good reason to single out nil and t in this respect and because those things aren't terribly dangerous. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 27 17:49:25 2016 Received: (at 25166) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Dec 2016 22:49:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57361 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cM0Yf-0007zP-7v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2016 17:49:25 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51039) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cM0Yd-0007zD-GM for 25166@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2016 17:49:24 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cM0YV-0003Bh-CH for 25166@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2016 17:49:18 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59423) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cM0YV-0003BO-8u; Tue, 27 Dec 2016 17:49:15 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3036 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cM0YT-0006BY-Nq; Tue, 27 Dec 2016 17:49:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 00:49:04 +0200 Message-Id: <834m1pvvhb.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Monnier In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Tue, 27 Dec 2016 10:15:29 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#25166: 26.0.50; It shouldn't be possible to set the function cell of nil and t References: <5f7f76ia4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <1hpokwx5br.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83wpemwjzq.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.1 (--------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25166 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, p.stephani2@gmail.com, 25166@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.1 (--------) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Philipp Stephani , rgm@gnu.org, > 25166@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 10:15:29 -0500 > > > It was reverted in 32e5c58ca969ec30d31520da52c9866cafa62927. Perhaps > > Stefan could tell why he did that (the log message doesn't say). > > Because there doesn't seem to be any good reason to single out nil and > t in this respect and because those things aren't terribly dangerous. So therefore we shouldn't reinstate that now. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 27 18:11:33 2016 Received: (at 25166) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Dec 2016 23:11:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57376 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cM0u5-0008VR-KC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2016 18:11:33 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:23670) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cM0u3-0008VE-K3 for 25166@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2016 18:11:32 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BgNQAu3EVY/+UVNJ1dGgEBAQECAQEBAQgBAQEBgzgBAQEBAR+EW4VUnAImAZZehhkDBAICghFDEQECAQEBAQEBAWIoQhIBhBQBBAFWIxALNBIUGA0kiHoIrRSLRAEBAQEGAgEkixmKKQWPfIpqknMBiCaGOpIPNSF4Ew6EEIFjIIYxgnwBAQE X-IPAS-Result: A0BgNQAu3EVY/+UVNJ1dGgEBAQECAQEBAQgBAQEBgzgBAQEBAR+EW4VUnAImAZZehhkDBAICghFDEQECAQEBAQEBAWIoQhIBhBQBBAFWIxALNBIUGA0kiHoIrRSLRAEBAQEGAgEkixmKKQWPfIpqknMBiCaGOpIPNSF4Ew6EEIFjIIYxgnwBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.33,749,1477972800"; d="scan'208";a="284257896" Received: from 157-52-21-229.cpe.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([157.52.21.229]) by smtp.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 27 Dec 2016 18:11:25 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 4AFEE64F62; Tue, 27 Dec 2016 18:11:25 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#25166: 26.0.50; It shouldn't be possible to set the function cell of nil and t Message-ID: References: <5f7f76ia4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <1hpokwx5br.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83wpemwjzq.fsf@gnu.org> <834m1pvvhb.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 18:11:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: <834m1pvvhb.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 28 Dec 2016 00:49:04 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25166 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, p.stephani2@gmail.com, 25166@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) >> Because there doesn't seem to be any good reason to single out nil and >> t in this respect and because those things aren't terribly dangerous. > So therefore we shouldn't reinstate that now. Yes, that's my opinion. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon May 01 10:45:02 2017 Received: (at 25166) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2017 14:45:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49731 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d5CZR-0008Ao-Ns for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 May 2017 10:45:01 -0400 Received: from mail-wr0-f171.google.com ([209.85.128.171]:33085) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d5CZQ-0008AL-OH for 25166@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 May 2017 10:45:01 -0400 Received: by mail-wr0-f171.google.com with SMTP id w50so64469012wrc.0 for <25166@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 01 May 2017 07:45:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=bVfUh6zmhZSn42eX0iE1viagQBPcA0D0018W4JeoXoo=; b=swjiJ8GWuxec1sEtsjYWyW6ByYclHOQLRh9pGf2+gpxgqXMnL3rnzO+m3N/ZIMxsgl oA+tpxTegO6mZVrHlZtSNk3dPhCy97BQLC6RA7JTKZ2Asj3cl4amUvSvp60aVtGK9z+g UeUeTPLwrpK1hnyeP33ezXUa2lUVExwP4TvOZbLUckkRzQ/r1X0YbW+B0Fydcct1umpC K2n4dPPeBovw9UNZ0v9E+SOXHPYEXcaejLz7G6a8J3fKUt7BZBa6OhkebnBCGSdg4Y06 GsRzs163ssejQ/nlKb4pycKOKV0TLBYARdXMCNkkp/K8U3QVKT2Sy/MoMjqgnMDvzuq6 EmMw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=bVfUh6zmhZSn42eX0iE1viagQBPcA0D0018W4JeoXoo=; b=OQPeagpb9vgN0kfnPg8hzix6NKN4sPg2GgUll4t8gqtWFsX+usa+wUrCqfD5uMocU7 ydCeA4f1QrZV6F6Ml3dxqum83ca8EYhMoXUnGX1DISN+0uxWLcg+PzdabOBWWu5iw4i0 +YZOHIgX612vSYuy/9yRvgy7Emrf6zyVSSc96CtOpcm/fLNJoNbID/8ZgVIxkaiW0mso V1nEAMMdQTAj8TWtL6+G++8lp/shoREZ42VgPkYIFpAiNphWGRnm/s0APTi/ofild4pj bJzUZv9f3xzZ+MuCdKLkLPB76KeuPYOr6aOKXErCus+NENpD8MvM39KxzMOrLjNrOz/K k6FA== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/5nlW047QynfyabogwrPJoAcI3cWORWIjKmpXAKB0gC7s3SMN+/ V2s/IsoUIqNAZGI+bZ9HkjOtnSLKHQ== X-Received: by 10.223.148.35 with SMTP id 32mr9781139wrq.175.1493649895146; Mon, 01 May 2017 07:44:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5f7f76ia4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <1hpokwx5br.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83wpemwjzq.fsf@gnu.org> <834m1pvvhb.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: From: Philipp Stephani Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 14:44:44 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#25166: 26.0.50; It shouldn't be possible to set the function cell of nil and t To: Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0d21c26b4b7b054e7777e6 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25166 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 25166@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) --94eb2c0d21c26b4b7b054e7777e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Stefan Monnier schrieb am Mi., 28. Dez. 2016 um 00:11 Uhr: > >> Because there doesn't seem to be any good reason to single out nil and > >> t in this respect and because those things aren't terribly dangerous. > > So therefore we shouldn't reinstate that now. > > Yes, that's my opinion. > > > Well, my opinion is obviously different, so the maintainer should decide. --94eb2c0d21c26b4b7b054e7777e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Stefan= Monnier <monnier@iro.umontr= eal.ca> schrieb am Mi., 28. Dez. 2016 um 00:11=C2=A0Uhr:
>> Because there doesn't seem to be = any good reason to single out nil and
>> t in this respect and because those things aren't terribly dan= gerous.
> So therefore we shouldn't reinstate that now.

Yes, that's my opinion.



Well, my opinion is obviously differen= t, so the maintainer should decide.=C2=A0
--94eb2c0d21c26b4b7b054e7777e6-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon May 01 11:13:21 2017 Received: (at 25166) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2017 15:13:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49798 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d5D0r-0002Bz-3v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 May 2017 11:13:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40949) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d5D0o-0002Bn-Vm for 25166@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 May 2017 11:13:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d5D0g-0001r0-QB for 25166@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 May 2017 11:13:13 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41594) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d5D0g-0001qw-Mv; Mon, 01 May 2017 11:13:10 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4615 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1d5D0e-0008ON-HL; Mon, 01 May 2017 11:13:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 18:12:33 +0300 Message-Id: <83ziewipb2.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Philipp Stephani In-reply-to: (message from Philipp Stephani on Mon, 01 May 2017 14:44:44 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#25166: 26.0.50; It shouldn't be possible to set the function cell of nil and t References: <5f7f76ia4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <1hpokwx5br.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83wpemwjzq.fsf@gnu.org> <834m1pvvhb.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25166 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 25166@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Philipp Stephani > Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 14:44:44 +0000 > Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 25166@debbugs.gnu.org > > Stefan Monnier schrieb am Mi., 28. Dez. 2016 um 00:11 Uhr: > > >> Because there doesn't seem to be any good reason to single out nil and > >> t in this respect and because those things aren't terribly dangerous. > > So therefore we shouldn't reinstate that now. > > Yes, that's my opinion. > > Well, my opinion is obviously different, so the maintainer should decide. One maintainer has already decided, see above. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 27 13:59:34 2017 Received: (at 25166) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Oct 2017 17:59:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37630 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e88us-000176-3P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 13:59:34 -0400 Received: from mail-wr0-f180.google.com ([209.85.128.180]:54798) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e88uq-00016p-2p for 25166@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 13:59:32 -0400 Received: by mail-wr0-f180.google.com with SMTP id o44so6861183wrf.11 for <25166@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:59:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=Zv352qJWUmZcuOD+84kFK83drHWjX51CwmbNgPzIEZU=; b=EGE94xoCBnX5jeMqeRRupl10yajbaRzkqghiFqMM18BMEuxR6nCOHiqb3YhtLuKdDY km0uUiYSKFhk0YsLOw0WR0TOtB9Az683F8JwEpvjarVYxVVisRt5mt/TDljTrOw5KDkc Zom6n0P80VrREB7voARAt5VQGHvSSaSfc/Qd9Szp3qVTYrEo/Y0Q6ISJhwpZIG8fEFRe EdpFpfUUYZFb4W5QtBNEIx8g1Xz3HWgOja/09baQrbQHPiWBk617Nrkx2W81Z6pKBRLb hHwve/gVrTrxGnKt0wKLHgoJKhM4fF2xySPpocA3OAj6IFzG7dBl80+8MpnLvY7amhLX V/GQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Zv352qJWUmZcuOD+84kFK83drHWjX51CwmbNgPzIEZU=; b=q2NlWKSh9XXCUiVN4HbdKRUXQafg3ecQ0iwFqsZGK6jwXbncLI653GbFbPDfkjn8St hHN8JdaJN84qatxX3E+JuLbJ2QZpLGRi0TTzOi6tyjWx3h0NVM5KeIQb2SAavfa6PtGM omcGGk5dxTbLeKfHj2gddLi0aY0TG7qsfBnUT6CNbrrWy4gNm303K2LJDFsH9PaH343h C/04bwruve4wG+GDVCUz2sxOi4/ENZwdrgCTd8gWboPfVbdH6UnFCpVHC8MTttcUoWHw pQsPx75MnAmz58VwFma/l/Q4N6nSqUjMzRtvIoDF5ZxM56H02Tal5dfRc63YRbFam4W5 AOew== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaViTgpvh61RtfR1+2zuM3Dk7nDPYc//vdOyJPuGyqKrv10Wy3qL Z+gHgkOvXsnxwePPSRFiJfIIYhZpL4RBhID+VlQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+QzcaIZTpWATR/pfDmiJsGsqrmV5lRAFBWAt1qM6ufQMnvEqufM2vVWOQp/EYA8ZYmsOSOJ2kIDRv/FCVgqOYU= X-Received: by 10.223.131.65 with SMTP id 59mr1076909wrd.66.1509127166351; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:59:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.146.227 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:59:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83ziewipb2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5f7f76ia4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <1hpokwx5br.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83wpemwjzq.fsf@gnu.org> <834m1pvvhb.fsf@gnu.org> <83ziewipb2.fsf@gnu.org> From: Noam Postavsky Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 13:59:25 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Bh8zskRrifljuUMcoO7StFHl-Ng Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#25166: 26.0.50; It shouldn't be possible to set the function cell of nil and t To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25166 Cc: Philipp Stephani , 25166@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) # fset of nil is already covered in Bug#25110 retitle 25166 It shouldn't be possible to set the function cell of t tags 25166 wontfix close 25166 quit On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Philipp Stephani >> Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 14:44:44 +0000 >> Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 25166@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> Stefan Monnier schrieb am Mi., 28. Dez. 2016 um 00:11 Uhr: >> >> >> Because there doesn't seem to be any good reason to single out nil and >> >> t in this respect and because those things aren't terribly dangerous. >> > So therefore we shouldn't reinstate that now. >> >> Yes, that's my opinion. >> >> Well, my opinion is obviously different, so the maintainer should decide. > > One maintainer has already decided, see above. Seems final enough, closing as wontfix. PS for an example of why singling out nil makes sense (but this doesn't apply to t) see [1]. Summary: (autoload #'nil "something" nil t) silently succeeds but makes forward-word, backward-word, etc, (fail to) funcall nil. [1]: https://github.com/jwiegley/use-package/issues/512 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 28 12:17:07 2017 Received: (at 25166) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Oct 2017 16:17:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39388 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e8TnH-0008Ni-92 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:17:07 -0400 Received: from pmta11.teksavvy.com ([76.10.157.34]:52556) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e8TnF-0008N3-5b for 25166@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:17:06 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2ErEwADrfRZ/4XnjBhbGwEBAQMBAQEJA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBg1+BUoNYhViEeY8sgXyYUwqFOwKES0MUAQIBAQEBAQEBA2gohR4BBAF5BQs?= =?us-ascii?q?LDQEmEhQYMYouCKowIQKKWgEBAQEGAiaDLoIHhmaLBwWiA5Z4AYlmKIcilhCBO?= =?us-ascii?q?TYigWg0IQgygy6DEIFqJYxbAQEB?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2ErEwADrfRZ/4XnjBhbGwEBAQMBAQEJAQEBg1+BUoNYhVi?= =?us-ascii?q?EeY8sgXyYUwqFOwKES0MUAQIBAQEBAQEBA2gohR4BBAF5BQsLDQEmEhQYMYouC?= =?us-ascii?q?KowIQKKWgEBAQEGAiaDLoIHhmaLBwWiA5Z4AYlmKIcilhCBOTYigWg0IQgygy6?= =?us-ascii?q?DEIFqJYxbAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.44,309,1505793600"; d="scan'208";a="7946529" Received: from unknown (HELO ceviche.home) ([24.140.231.133]) by smtp.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 28 Oct 2017 12:16:28 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 4E41F66233; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:16:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Noam Postavsky Subject: Re: bug#25166: 26.0.50; It shouldn't be possible to set the function cell of nil and t Message-ID: References: <5f7f76ia4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <1hpokwx5br.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83wpemwjzq.fsf@gnu.org> <834m1pvvhb.fsf@gnu.org> <83ziewipb2.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:16:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Noam Postavsky's message of "Fri, 27 Oct 2017 13:59:25 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25166 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 25166@debbugs.gnu.org, Philipp Stephani X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > PS for an example of why singling out nil makes sense (but this > doesn't apply to t) see [1]. > Summary: (autoload #'nil "something" nil t) silently succeeds but > makes forward-word, backward-word, etc, (fail to) funcall nil. Why would someone do (autoload #'nil "something" nil t) ? Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 28 12:46:07 2017 Received: (at 25166) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Oct 2017 16:46:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39403 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e8UFL-0000gc-14 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:46:07 -0400 Received: from mail-io0-f169.google.com ([209.85.223.169]:49244) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e8UFJ-0000fs-IW for 25166@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:46:05 -0400 Received: by mail-io0-f169.google.com with SMTP id n137so18829788iod.6 for <25166@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 09:46:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=tp2LEN6umgs2rQsneqYMjmPnfwgb/bonqzj29KDHcos=; b=X5KdSJxo3DwWhtLUlJGtHaxqIpXDNEraPZIw3vGiER/tQncOmlhOufcu9eugxHy4Oc ef6GoGE72zKd/6X1NsRvgCsBuQBcJURfsZ5ycNoKIUJN/NGoLKyVUAV/1pcbAT6iGm9Y XFm7Omg+KJvknPPXxsjXyBrm1aj9MkhedJJNrTa5Ez70OI3Qx50Lypng7knd1UOuzcuk hgM1txc72amMLBp6w3kOMZAGfKbKa7WcrE5qCc1tQ43FLr2D+7k5iyLH1Re6czxetpj3 O6B9AmSkWDAeckQiuQj9E0a5Y25dcMGyPkEesmf7zyRWLVwQjet79+Vr/NW/Yra1SNci r+Bg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=tp2LEN6umgs2rQsneqYMjmPnfwgb/bonqzj29KDHcos=; b=P08E9RQ3xPJmbGzIo5hQaDHqewhF4SFZrnXWo+KyVnf8fjuM2roAHs345Md4akDb+p Sr9SN0e2n2mlMMHrdXhMLCLVrjdsLcBuxnA6AX6Ai105pE9+DhTJnDTAukmyrFrSn4qg CXkGq8edGl4PzG/hgckh40iIpXoz+602/FnlImzNK/p7Vkfo+EmqSFOUKOJcMoePEsZe EtrdTrr59AqeFntue3QJIB4E2jdnr59XCwfkwvH1fnttTTwAbUlNksO6gGJp9Id+JSY2 QwZim0C1scBD7/sMSU0SPdk6cllDTg510UWXx8S5c/oeA6LP9FVeIRFqB0ZQTmQyDwWk JgJg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaXE9ZtLKn+MwBtA/DED1507JeiaQmc9Hdig4bl0Z1NMvmZJ0X+J DUiMFrSPkLgP2Lb67daO6Fo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+TWKVZJApmbX1xfHSMjw44U+3X1PcbLTXbT+yqUiPbigIOK8E1ALGREYWABVAItDsSf8Tfpug== X-Received: by 10.107.202.3 with SMTP id a3mr4918046iog.10.1509209159902; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zebian ([45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id a29sm2121814itj.8.2017.10.28.09.45.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 28 Oct 2017 09:45:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#25166: 26.0.50; It shouldn't be possible to set the function cell of nil and t References: <5f7f76ia4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <1hpokwx5br.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83wpemwjzq.fsf@gnu.org> <834m1pvvhb.fsf@gnu.org> <83ziewipb2.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:45:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:16:28 -0400") Message-ID: <87r2tnb4qi.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25166 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 25166@debbugs.gnu.org, Philipp Stephani X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: >> PS for an example of why singling out nil makes sense (but this >> doesn't apply to t) see [1]. >> Summary: (autoload #'nil "something" nil t) silently succeeds but >> makes forward-word, backward-word, etc, (fail to) funcall nil. > > Why would someone do (autoload #'nil "something" nil t) ? By accident. It's a bug in use-package. (use-package foo-pkg :commands ) Creates autoloads for all the commands in , which can be a symbol, or a list of symbols. But nil is also a symbol, so passing an empty list makes an autoload for nil (because use-package checks for symbolp before listp), rather than making autoloads for 0 commands. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 29 14:10:52 2017 Received: (at 25166) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Oct 2017 18:10:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40847 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e8s2u-0002S5-BG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 14:10:52 -0400 Received: from alt34.smtp-out.videotron.ca ([24.53.0.23]:3449) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e8s2s-0002Rt-H4 for 25166@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 14:10:51 -0400 Received: from ceviche.home ([24.200.214.28]) by Videotron with SMTP id 8s2heggLzEyCj8s2iePAwa; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 14:10:43 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=cZ2iljLM c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=sOTVE1tyU/pKvEx7Tx09kg==:117 a=sOTVE1tyU/pKvEx7Tx09kg==:17 a=02M-m0pO-4AA:10 a=dIb5FyHBOuMADpI-hJUA:9 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id CEBDA66240; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 14:10:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Noam Postavsky Subject: Re: bug#25166: 26.0.50; It shouldn't be possible to set the function cell of nil and t Message-ID: References: <5f7f76ia4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <1hpokwx5br.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83wpemwjzq.fsf@gnu.org> <834m1pvvhb.fsf@gnu.org> <83ziewipb2.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2tnb4qi.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 14:10:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87r2tnb4qi.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> (Noam Postavsky's message of "Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:45:57 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfK3rh1dY+dx611/SRq8/llo7TcRKBQdFJHuYVwNX5xrbl8xlzQaAWQVMPAsoIVF4fElg6RT6DD3hDvoNrUN87JIMospMzAwnI8sphCTFi1Lo0+E13d3g ajcuqBUDhbfkpka4YF6fY9leiEZKFLLgSXZQdudaCU0A2qb63//ZcA86YAKeyiZGFr1JL6jxyjqHWZEq9uyNyuFC52fpgw+Uz5WwmTcO7Nq/f5SgcyVKnFry SqNXwwbXINMl/xN/IxMk6ZmPVJEfKaN8G4AING5pkAZXYzmd9wS+enDAEUo1TPGpzL0h2S0bEu2wk8EjRvp87Q== X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25166 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 25166@debbugs.gnu.org, Philipp Stephani X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > By accident. It's a bug in use-package. That's a rare accident, which I assume has been fixed already (if not, it's another argument in favor of saying that it's not important). Nothing that warrants adding special error detection. Stefan From unknown Tue Aug 19 08:37:12 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 12:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator