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-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: dotimes var comiler warning Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:32:44 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Andreas Röhler CC: Help Gnu Emacs mailing list Andreas Röhler writes: > when employing a form > > (dotimes (i erg) > > ...do-something > > > Compiler sends a warning "Unused lexical variable ‘i’ - whilst seems > no way to leave out such a var. > > Worth a bug-report? If none exists yet, I'm for it. FWIW, there is a FIXME comment in the source code already. Yes, you can probably use `_' to suppress the warning, but I always wondered why something called like this requires a variable to be specified (mandatorily) at all. Michael. --------------92B3F6260E6F8F3EE3B00DA5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

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-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: dotimes var comiler warning
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:32:44 +0100
From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>
To: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de>
CC: Help Gnu Emacs mailing list <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 


Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> writes:

> when employing a form
>
> (dotimes (i erg)
>
>    ...do-something
>
>
> Compiler sends a warning "Unused lexical variable ‘i’ - whilst seems
> no way to leave out such a var.
>
> Worth a bug-report?

If none exists yet, I'm for it.  FWIW, there is a FIXME comment in the
source code already.

Yes, you can probably use `_' to suppress the warning, but I always
wondered why something called like this requires a variable to be
specified (mandatorily) at all.


Michael.
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So you want to do: (dotimes (erg) ...) Or perhaps even (dotimes erg ...) >> >> Worth a bug-report? > > If none exists yet, I'm for it. FWIW, there is a FIXME comment in the > source code already. The FIXME comment is unrelated to this, as far as I can tell (it's talking about binding the variable around the optional RESULT expression). > > Yes, you can probably use `_' to suppress the warning, but I always > wondered why something called like this requires a variable to be > specified (mandatorily) at all. Because it's a bit nonstandard to make the *first* arg &optional? From unknown Fri Jun 13 10:45:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25017: Fwd: Re: dotimes var comiler warning Resent-From: Michael Heerdegen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:37:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25017 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Cc: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= , 25017@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 25017-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25017.147999817016765 (code B ref 25017); Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:37:01 +0000 Received: (at 25017) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2016 14:36:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40044 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c9v8E-0004ML-1y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:36:10 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:49879) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c9v8C-0004M5-DW for 25017@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:36:08 -0500 Received: from drachen.dragon ([90.186.3.52]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MAvFE-1bzzVY23D2-009x1e; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:35:48 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen References: <878ts957gj.fsf@web.de> <266831cc-e199-35b0-9564-327c192b2ea6@easy-emacs.de> <87a8cpj6sg.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:35:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87a8cpj6sg.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> (npostavs@users.sourceforge.net's message of "Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:23:27 -0500") Message-ID: <874m2x54jk.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:i4xYFeD6Zv/S9+qfyEKSzaaPImaebZ2Vk+qYrdKSGaDVwIMg0+9 db9A4dUUy3HeEB/1oJ7RliSs9AkTPwSUjIlK4s860shtlPIaN5JZtrV99Nip///qQGfMYP/ MYQTR7YMj/uG2ku+LN7lE3LGbninhe2PH/Sc9anwi8dHmXHfSIqG5qbPkcSn50DB/lwZuq9 DgGWYCh5Ryx+9R65yHlBQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:3rEZo/atNj0=:DC5ZHUeX22tj1woSzO8iV3 BvAuLo4heq5vOsiGJZD8f652vgK6s99T7Y9qQGotZQf2sSetfkE2i1vrIxkrFzPiwNh3OuLPt jnfagna/RHpb+080benlMCtf3jPgmoow5kjFbWa9d0iY/U9bVuLO+ZncKpq3bKH6DdF0S26+w QYSmwUEc6LzkSAC0WCrOM8WeLBEH+EN/XljtnGOXPWkwYYshUA3xKxw4qqwhF4WOmgYYAn2ea gL+Kos7PWjX4C+LC08QueVNBH+qt0KHjUMPgSyt1iEV1SkjqHgWKsNBLb3uP58tmFuI1rfVZO sOkFlTD1e01h50IL7/7I3XHAdqnyoJY1eIEkFwnMGLGYTbnNimgEAP3xDefIwfbUJiH1TnIpT mfFTG7GTWSZlI4X+8NQRWTg/uc1UrjIIEMMhqbSY2emJ/HKqA5c8yTdavpmyXZ5bwGgZBXtKp Sa41VAVEi1deJ6KySfPI4rV4l6fS55qg7KoknqyiP7twE5Jo8BHKxCw5tCEleyQyf0VR2XJRf Kf/HFb68cxfwq78EmipmyIa7/aLNz7YIiDsX1oH1qnMUDfQ0hp3hbLhAPXTp+7j2FtDaxk5EB CT7Yj0ImC/ibB5n+5Zh9AffpRA+5qwX0pEa6v9BijZGr5z0l8OUHMbYn6DhEx5PbX9IedHBNQ JsPebhvpPpL6Sac0SbkYkWEOeUnJkV5kAmEUflccK5biChemPBPCWBZY/6aRZc64SkGb4OtAJ P0VpdzjvPFGUnA6Hdf61UaqPg/PR3SY2hQVep2wkh0fUCSpYeB+agqsZ59N1hj15N0WEZhf5C hRU2mxj X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) npostavs@users.sourceforge.net writes: > So you want to do: > > (dotimes (erg) > ...) > > Or perhaps even > > (dotimes erg > ...) > Yes. > The FIXME comment is unrelated to this, as far as I can tell (it's > talking about binding the variable around the optional RESULT > expression). Oh, I think you're right. > Because it's a bit nonstandard to make the *first* arg &optional? It's not really an argument list we are talking about - but if it matters, we could choose the second of the above alternatives. Michael. From unknown Fri Jun 13 10:45:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25017: Fwd: Re: dotimes var comiler warning Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25017 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Cc: 25017@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 25017-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25017.147999865517463 (code B ref 25017); Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:45:02 +0000 Received: (at 25017) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2016 14:44:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40052 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c9vG2-0004Xb-SX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:44:15 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:53384) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c9vG1-0004XQ-AF for 25017@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:44:13 -0500 Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.62.107]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Mfn88-1cLvpC1zE4-00NArw; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:44:06 +0100 From: Michael Albinus References: <878ts957gj.fsf@web.de> <266831cc-e199-35b0-9564-327c192b2ea6@easy-emacs.de> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:44:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: <266831cc-e199-35b0-9564-327c192b2ea6@easy-emacs.de> ("Andreas \=\?utf-8\?Q\?R\=C3\=B6hler\=22's\?\= message of "Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:10:02 +0100") Message-ID: <87zikpkkej.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:G4PnVcKh1tNBQbtFoY1HS+ZCCV1VPX3R7wu7zqyEyq9MONBNO6x 2oTEUMi5od4KIQh4S9iRw/0yw7XgZhgkbVIkiOs/CFthfx85Z+AKk2VpIWd8Qznz8rBSYZo V/y/gQ1qWzmogtExCbC12n00+dS+1g/5M+Cr6oDqpWDEgnihlZzKtd53Q91IJwsg7GkN4X+ kR+NLnQ5AuULhVlp776yg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:8EWvz/takRo=:Tsmu259S0NVwsg9wJTZsyJ SMmC36vvyrZ4cDtKpTHPYjPGVrBAw/yE+Z3tP4qlX+Qmu80N1Y/D5WakX8QzyZwC8vIupeyrG iMMywtd+gJptI/g4Y7YTwXmPLJHNALmfbOygC1zaeUyZq8Hkboay3nDl2sKJvJ77EIikOmhzZ geQkdzEi7VtsLj0AAlWP7EoD+SVvmz9dIqu1GrxXZ1OYmPLk3x+rDEltkG/VZjsF2nDlCkpgp cvGxnv8RD5w+RHX3nsIM/hjpStvL9d9GnJQdibk4EJ2l+3D3b+xOmwl5qsWLQXSb6Iu3FC8DB g6q0JrPTAN0z+duY7X06QLTpwMLDHPc03lVw5PtBOnky9MeKE951pHYSCrhSqVlZH8QBKz6eF vD9P7GCHNbFKKqvSVXLIYsDElQfdQdwMQ2GMvvtBgyA13XU7GuiUtUUnltEovkRbrbZoH/Rza wLOir3F1XoGHAVFBLrZGHoYk8EAi5UjYEULrmCisWtOUQAaU1xW3ol5UHsMBossM27ybgy8NU 2/tWL6vbKHAQ2o9skFvWYNcQouzYlFSQTcAXx8WNK/eqCR7soaViU+NSn+wKv2VzmFKSH9GXl TqY+a98Qj3C4pxIzYnksiGavuXDVxwut1dabIWqtY2c2GxPCvUKQTj/6EVsUh1bXCl+EKZXjJ tATaRcVaqbY30BfkyoOHq23XUjXh6fPXVyNvBVpW/9QDyfvBBLUtFRRnGs5eQwuSPeKexFH7z Jl0oZzo4dx5aevTZbf+CQ1vcbiNKhXgtQcMISuinwoJfOQKP4eFSoqssXaa2ijiUQm+NLZCxR 3/qr7rU X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Andreas R=C3=B6hler writes: >> (dotimes (i erg) >> >> ...do-something >> >> Compiler sends a warning "Unused lexical variable =E2=80=98i=E2=80=99 - = whilst seems >> no way to leave out such a var. > > Yes, you can probably use `_' to suppress the warning, but I always > wondered why something called like this requires a variable to be > specified (mandatorily) at all. Why is this a problem? We have the same situation with function arguments. If you have an unused argument, you do the same: (defun my-fun (_unused used) ;; code w/o _unused ) > Michael. Best regards, Michael. From unknown Fri Jun 13 10:45:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25017: Fwd: Re: dotimes var comiler warning Resent-From: Michael Heerdegen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 16:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25017 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= , 25017@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 25017-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25017.148000625029319 (code B ref 25017); Thu, 24 Nov 2016 16:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 25017) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2016 16:50:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40627 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c9xEY-0007cp-FM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 11:50:50 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([217.72.192.78]:60499) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c9xEW-0007cc-QF for 25017@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 11:50:49 -0500 Received: from drachen.dragon ([90.186.3.52]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb102 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MA5v3-1c36fR3sxV-00BHpi; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 17:50:41 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen References: <878ts957gj.fsf@web.de> <266831cc-e199-35b0-9564-327c192b2ea6@easy-emacs.de> <87zikpkkej.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 17:50:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87zikpkkej.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:44:04 +0100") Message-ID: <87ziko4yaq.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:ep1M2VIk5ufVIO03YcQUK7Y0uanSeVDX7JYY97AkFGK5rbrkEao Dj88ACXZ7gayM8ZCwie3zzJV6V46OUE7roT1rlE6i3KLzGFhvFUGtmO3mwzRuPfLvCK/8Nt RWGQoWkyQ7RaIbb/5KwrxNJFsk1PxLzQRGHMZPCOy4G+E+9Jmt7HYM9xoSwIodeo2GMMRrH Lmq4j3E2S4bsv31CWTd4Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:wH9fwiSJWCI=:5xcgoQAKCupPwUZD9UR+3K h96tnI+ht3KHT1qhDmSN8EStCxELE4MsNBS1/5vxQ97DhTbQkfVQi8pShPr6JkdZVX21z9L8C qUUcgWEIDHR4lqxk5F47Ta70WlLxBrjp6tGLLf2Jko+NTup911Nlt4Jg1Tk4Dof9LI/5UNFzf E0JBuby8nK8hlvCEl+BBFSUKI1e6L2AyqKq4rxhv1Ls5pHAR6/j2tOUN9jqJxrrQQytHez6bK X1nTPliHauY4KLC8L/8qpnqtqEZllhHm7Jl2edZoRau/HOx1gmGc407EcEu2rx1MJUP0Jvk/y pUBBjvgAqcI3lDurEVrP7nQoFtxTM9s2dDD/EQUn+ECNvC1qMOfGfwFZL6U97eRXRJnxf5F48 VkfAzPDa3xuYUXBjyRKdhU3o75d12nB8avlnvXdMSeEzDWIzXc50UO5GSfLfmghdz0yBO4u0q Uo6MTJSl0aLVzILgveZLHcIhjv3RrwjE6O8Bo7IF7ISKX2ROtU46mVh6i3sT3SZMLFZi0AhTg XLfqwFwqavAft+28ClVV/tRAYbRMa3fBlKEODbjzPDA/jeW3lXw+EOYR10CG2vNrWzZjiLeYd z7pdr++hE1yJpipOKSx6L7OxhtYgkyfOnloVVrflLMKb7kg0pZ14VpaOeGMRzERs7X5eNlvmK xG0FTawmVFw4KsT9xwu4s7M3irCPYfyGcZCFPqxwq8q4nNHsUepZuJpe9dGydpGEqUb85gGUi JTxALsjnevMUeY+lh0ekg4WuuAYSZtkWhofRPjz0/Mi6k3hMgYFlyhPKAgkDkOYR1K8hAvMWx O/44JCP X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) Michael Albinus writes: > > Yes, you can probably use `_' to suppress the warning, but I always > > wondered why something called like this requires a variable to be > > specified (mandatorily) at all. > > Why is this a problem? We have the same situation with function > arguments. If you have an unused argument, you do the same: > > (defun my-fun (_unused used) > ;; code w/o _unused > ) It's not a problem. But it's counter-intuitive for something called "dotimes", and it's inconvenient because not needing to bind the counter to a variable is a very common use case, not an exception. But yes, it's just a detail. If what I suggest is not consent, I would not want endless debates on this topic. Michael. From unknown Fri Jun 13 10:45:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25017: Fwd: Re: dotimes var comiler warning Resent-From: Michael Heerdegen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 17:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25017 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= , 25017@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 25017-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25017.148000689230387 (code B ref 25017); Thu, 24 Nov 2016 17:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 25017) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2016 17:01:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40637 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c9xOu-0007u3-KS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 12:01:32 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]:53342) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c9xOt-0007to-3r for 25017@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 12:01:31 -0500 Received: from drachen.dragon ([90.186.3.52]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb102 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LlF9O-1chdix28xi-00b1Ii; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 18:01:21 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen References: <878ts957gj.fsf@web.de> <266831cc-e199-35b0-9564-327c192b2ea6@easy-emacs.de> <87zikpkkej.fsf@gmx.de> <87ziko4yaq.fsf@web.de> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 18:01:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87ziko4yaq.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Thu, 24 Nov 2016 17:50:37 +0100") Message-ID: <87vavc4xsx.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:1YYoSm3TOgju3Cnf7YNgnS5yFewmaRmga3eE68BHhXPGfvzRNVA gwXwA6Bl0ii12abYnZxIk8H7SPds+mx61wzjUlRRomvn3h/YGn5fztcxgCxtSTVfp5vgqSF 5CshpXGlhHzwD6X35Qod9/d8Yig5nHMSbmDgbUCmo+4wzXv77KbTZ9g9b8bSoWUmUWx7kEp gPrKT17euCRo0Lt8hWvtA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:iGB9U7rpXYc=:axjEmdFWmNA/gsl8wrBWW7 KtSItqOdLNvcTE0ucNHvCqbu1Fhxr9ilDuakNUWp3ORqw22M5M71PGqLQHrqVfX9lopdzMPz/ fU3pOaCyNfCUVelV1LunlCIRJYtnqhxPu37jJKq9xx71zjN2CiXjMzdiOOSnDjQbwpFMEc1mx 8CCLWr7UCy38yBmBSfTHTl/6ktz4dOVfSdPHmGtqZ07tWDDihMxcHps1FCnC6NJsNtSQW+f8G mdXjFnIsgsWnWeYEozraQyBEWqY5FRj1W8sbUlilxvh34rACEeMdgrXu9bFXfdJYm/39RtysH zyT1WiUn0yspYezdAIploI11TjGmPXAnx+nzumpB7l4aT09MVh5OzmJvCq3boPtLs0UFMbp5o 5E8z4BR7M0mBjkEPDBcp0X25tgHZvh4RB0d9AAPS1/bLIyK51/SH4JM+yc5+Yz8WbSeq+hdZP 90vwLbZznKT/L39R0GUgy4nwF9BiHM3+QezLEfI5OeGiCfDS17wQMv4frucjPU3rHwK475TfS 1kmQYNGhP7BA21XEZn/dSdPB2anXn0ZWvn4Cb2pwogbmSOtABcDAtlx6ZHltUxxDHrJhZN177 xC5vmhSXcCl8G0yay7nAQZGNIBT8ualt2h65S6B6BKYI0pzQroP58/t9pkcn366jZjbIg3S6F wX30h9Y/YAyycN3mw10m7tHkn8jFYjAapwD3KWJ9xtpbWtibShsYdPKOJ5VLyXRJqAvEUqX1R 3ulBWX9GHzUC0GfL20B+y7oktWXh1mNEXbbI0rg3deC/kbf+W2joBG00j2aJkT27BO8VYBk5Z 683uQGY X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) Michael Heerdegen writes: > It's not a problem. Though, with dynamical bindings, the expansion actually refers to the specified variable, so if you compile e.g. (defun f (x) (dotimes (_ 10) (cl-incf x))) you get the warning "variable `_' not left unused". Michael. From unknown Fri Jun 13 10:45:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25017: Fwd: Re: dotimes var comiler warning Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 06:05:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25017 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Heerdegen , Michael Albinus Cc: 25017@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 25017-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25017.148005384812626 (code B ref 25017); Fri, 25 Nov 2016 06:05:02 +0000 Received: (at 25017) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Nov 2016 06:04:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40914 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cA9cF-0003Ha-R1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2016 01:04:08 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:45410) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cA9cD-0003H6-V9 for 25017@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2016 01:04:06 -0500 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id uAP63xoY030779 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2016 06:04:00 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id uAP63x5I008362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Nov 2016 06:03:59 GMT Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id uAP63wod008507; Fri, 25 Nov 2016 06:03:58 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <34f65954-78b3-4063-a971-cc020e482677@default> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 22:03:57 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <878ts957gj.fsf@web.de> <266831cc-e199-35b0-9564-327c192b2ea6@easy-emacs.de> <87zikpkkej.fsf@gmx.de> <87ziko4yaq.fsf@web.de> <87vavc4xsx.fsf@web.de> In-Reply-To: <87vavc4xsx.fsf@web.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) FWIW, I think that if any changes are made to dotimes they should be in the direction of Common Lisp dotimes. From unknown Fri Jun 13 10:45:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25017: Fwd: Re: dotimes var comiler warning Resent-From: Michael Heerdegen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 10:21:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25017 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 25017@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 25017-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25017.148024205524728 (code B ref 25017); Sun, 27 Nov 2016 10:21:02 +0000 Received: (at 25017) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Nov 2016 10:20:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42895 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cAwZr-0006Qm-24 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 05:20:55 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.14]:63888) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cAwZp-0006QZ-Ox for 25017@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 05:20:54 -0500 Received: from drachen.dragon ([90.186.3.54]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb001 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M73o5-1cydJM3UMX-00wmbS; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 11:20:42 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen References: <878ts957gj.fsf@web.de> <266831cc-e199-35b0-9564-327c192b2ea6@easy-emacs.de> <87zikpkkej.fsf@gmx.de> <87ziko4yaq.fsf@web.de> <87vavc4xsx.fsf@web.de> <34f65954-78b3-4063-a971-cc020e482677@default> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 11:20:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: <34f65954-78b3-4063-a971-cc020e482677@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 24 Nov 2016 22:03:57 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <87mvglusuh.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:sAoWaa7GL05s+Rje78FP6GykK+v1kM0S1qVGckh9Y2HYLzj34pi jk4ZnhFkHkoVstL2ZqeFJrWHV9H7Rrt7hqAiuDyHI8nLgAAsnTSsf9CsAwNY8mY+MVk/OAk JsmxqJEYgwPqoj4Itr0noHbfjSJqFAwQ4oBMFRoh+Z2GvspA20HAl7hYfsCcsZZuzbAgwTw SIceO71lm1tutEhmw5PdQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:vMTISYHKZEQ=:WmPV+uD3AJyfyMCLCbHJoW 6j9M+0YPmwUr3MMGUBflEu5eBA2MQcH2Qm05hhrkDFJdlARbg0X1kW9lvyeVJLhRucXDgNPbk Wt8I0LVZPpVQ7HdMvnwof5am6RXELC9nMhDExJsx6DKCk7GO8WtHlyNhaxKeU1Q/zWkuydNd+ SqxY5FpnfOiD0gOilLG8RGXhTQKQApzAe0vejJ91yoHoQyE83NT/K2a3BiaTREzFp2ncdggEq YYpacW8D7mXmE3a+WaHTGiYZxJwj1FfLnzrNkn+L0lX1TOIJ2ErMCaSLlttdR37HvLXlcUhhb Ur420oaoHOxvfz24Y3IMJjZRp0mFEoTKS6XcnI71jdI7zvQ7QUeqBXt1rQh520UQTCqI7HoTO eBnNB61HjnO7JSNF/oeYieTnmguC2fqBsqyz0AqApObZTQdCh5EWYtt8Ctmk1t8X2Ny0oi8Pt 8lCB3HjmU4MWHODYz4YYpVp3tPiOR3mbLs+ZZD7kPlRxMv50p8zc9XmSpkBF0K3ebCoRqPmNP l/jD72SMXXB/q1MPnXxgwB1SLFxRK4b0qQdSk4kdhmFmpxwSwR6RMbblZLuYfG3P5Tt3WAC0a 7+Rn/epzKK+Jk/yHj8FCIGOkuLbIltZDQ9f6MzVlW0R8+UOBcfVvrMHpLcFidFRRqHqyCDceh ZH1nZEJM5jGvqepF3c25tFGivGdPBhlCtINH4xtwLk4PEJCIwJ5y/2ZUrpNGxTfjAmsE6x5Jt mtRHlBlEHDKU+dATnH7/aRm8dlmwaub02zOJWN6DfOyRC0w1zNCjQUww9ZZvggze+qaC7rhEL mVxjJDw X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) Drew Adams writes: > FWIW, I think that if any changes are made to dotimes they should be > in the direction of Common Lisp dotimes. How do Elisp's dotimes and Common Lisp's dotimes differ? Thanks, Michael. From unknown Fri Jun 13 10:45:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25017: Fwd: Re: dotimes var comiler warning Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 18:25:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25017 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: 25017@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 25017-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25017.148027104325351 (code B ref 25017); Sun, 27 Nov 2016 18:25:01 +0000 Received: (at 25017) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Nov 2016 18:24:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43812 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cB47O-0006ap-NF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 13:24:02 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:50998) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cB47L-0006aH-QV for 25017@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 13:24:01 -0500 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id uARINr43009587 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2016 18:23:53 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id uARINqji019231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2016 18:23:52 GMT Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id uARINo3u024928; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 18:23:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <555aa16a-98d0-4427-9db1-ca4f857a6ddd@default> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 10:23:49 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <878ts957gj.fsf@web.de> <266831cc-e199-35b0-9564-327c192b2ea6@easy-emacs.de> <87zikpkkej.fsf@gmx.de> <87ziko4yaq.fsf@web.de> <87vavc4xsx.fsf@web.de> <34f65954-78b3-4063-a971-cc020e482677@default> <87mvglusuh.fsf@web.de> In-Reply-To: <87mvglusuh.fsf@web.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -5.2 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.2 (-----) > > FWIW, I think that if any changes are made to dotimes they > > should be in the direction of Common Lisp dotimes. >=20 > How do Elisp's dotimes and Common Lisp's dotimes differ? http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/m_dotime.htm It respects `return' and `return-from'. It allows tags (for `go'). For purposes of this thread: As in Emacs Lisp, both VAR and COUNT are required arguments. In general, I'd prefer that Emacs Lisp not diverge from but converge toward Common Lisp. From unknown Fri Jun 13 10:45:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25017: Fwd: Re: dotimes var comiler warning Resent-From: Philipp Stephani Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25017 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams , Michael Heerdegen Cc: 25017@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 25017-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25017.14802775232548 (code B ref 25017); Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:13:02 +0000 Received: (at 25017) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Nov 2016 20:12:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43867 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cB5nv-0000f2-2z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 15:12:03 -0500 Received: from mail-wm0-f50.google.com ([74.125.82.50]:36710) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cB5nt-0000eV-2z for 25017@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 15:12:01 -0500 Received: by mail-wm0-f50.google.com with SMTP id g23so187848512wme.1 for <25017@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 12:12:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=BC3i53Btl7dHRuYKqlmR2IKdqC7vM2b2gbDNr2nIYzQ=; b=Mk5yVBz8FYbe8Fba+qnPs+uuSzpdrAHbQFSOfEPWqh9IEz6nJxtE6rZfBDU0g76Ci1 rd/epG6+bMkzE8UqnG1kwnKp1I4SjHat0LoYtS+I0MBYCDZqCDbaZ9cmt+K234KeK2BD 1Wmzjf0Giz0dvl4UfCT/50epE60/MmG4xTJgYv9MDw3++ki/fdxb0zmf/pcD3BuYhJQT I/x+7r1yjCCqHbXmR1JpeLDt1UbjAqprJKdyiNRoXfnNuvZWXbZ6L0KccJ5xwflyyXlw wihql4j/6gC/S2MMQqsxSsi+C2FmCm1e0HqVv6eEoVT+KcnY3Q9UUEPEjXN3Fm8Vj4Fl 4U/A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=BC3i53Btl7dHRuYKqlmR2IKdqC7vM2b2gbDNr2nIYzQ=; b=MPVo7KBZVKDu3SBPKmdBQ6a80GxJMxchSYJNBlq5GnJB+VCJ7hr27W/vML2oBG727X GgugikmShGYr+P91j2eIsng4acJuytHtM/O2neOaP7S8hzsqfH++Ti8D59McZ66Ux3E3 3BYIxm5XplW76vsqB1Vld6cxdOA442fCP8xZjKLbOUfItN2RICZ85TsChRuuQCYvzHTq fh2RDTFz32agAijTIKvSzVRatp1mGuLbUeitv5M4tfV/UjKxuFucjJ67pGucNiv08r3p xd5lSFqUspucW9LW8JIviezVgV+NNDn3Gs8c7NEcif0vu1TuT04Uv7xv5OfNdyxR+7Ri k4jA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC00QFH3dtK32fkNPNBWPCtTrv692FRGr/kLZl8t7jVPMKpyCiwbLUuKmRtWqAnqoPZD3WmhVuv3lPEIJIg== X-Received: by 10.28.195.9 with SMTP id t9mr15165296wmf.92.1480277515490; Sun, 27 Nov 2016 12:11:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <878ts957gj.fsf@web.de> <266831cc-e199-35b0-9564-327c192b2ea6@easy-emacs.de> <87zikpkkej.fsf@gmx.de> <87ziko4yaq.fsf@web.de> <87vavc4xsx.fsf@web.de> <34f65954-78b3-4063-a971-cc020e482677@default> <87mvglusuh.fsf@web.de> <555aa16a-98d0-4427-9db1-ca4f857a6ddd@default> In-Reply-To: <555aa16a-98d0-4427-9db1-ca4f857a6ddd@default> From: Philipp Stephani Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:11:44 +0000 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1148d9fe7adcac05424df7b5 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) --001a1148d9fe7adcac05424df7b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Drew Adams schrieb am So., 27. Nov. 2016 um 19:25 Uhr: > > > FWIW, I think that if any changes are made to dotimes they > > > should be in the direction of Common Lisp dotimes. > > > > How do Elisp's dotimes and Common Lisp's dotimes differ? > > http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/m_dotime.htm > > It respects `return' and `return-from'. It allows tags > (for `go'). > A variant of `dotimes' that supports such constructs (only the "return" ones though) is available in cl-lib.el: `cl-dotimes'. > > For purposes of this thread: As in Emacs Lisp, both VAR > and COUNT are required arguments. In general, I'd prefer > that Emacs Lisp not diverge from but converge toward > Common Lisp. > > > The (implicit) decision to diverge further from Common Lisp has been made a while ago, by prefixing the CL functions with `cl' and importing the `seq' and `map' libraries, which provide similar functionality, but with a different interface. Regarding third-party package, the hugely popular `dash' library advertises itself with "No CL required." Given these indicators, I'd expect the divergence to increase further instead of decrease. --001a1148d9fe7adcac05424df7b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Drew A= dams <drew.adams@oracle.com= > schrieb am So., 27. Nov. 2016 um 19:25=C2=A0Uhr:
> > FWIW, I think that if any changes are made to = dotimes they
> > should be in the direction of Common Lisp dotimes.
>
> How do Elisp's dotimes and Common Lisp's dotimes differ?

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It respects `return' and `return-from'.=C2=A0 It allows tags
(for `go').

A v= ariant of `dotimes' that supports such constructs (only the "retur= n" ones though) is available in cl-lib.el: `cl-dotimes'.
=C2=A0

For purposes of this thread: As in Emacs Lisp, both VAR
and COUNT are required arguments.=C2=A0 In general, I'd prefer
that Emacs Lisp not diverge from but converge toward
Common Lisp.



The (implicit) dec= ision to diverge further from Common Lisp has been made a while ago, by pre= fixing the CL functions with `cl' and importing the `seq' and `map&= #39; libraries, which provide similar functionality, but with a different i= nterface. Regarding third-party package, the hugely popular `dash' libr= ary advertises itself with "No CL required." Given these indicato= rs, I'd expect the divergence to increase further instead of decrease.<= /div>
--001a1148d9fe7adcac05424df7b5-- From unknown Fri Jun 13 10:45:44 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Subject: bug#25017: closed (Re: bug#25017: Fwd: Re: dotimes var comiler warning) Message-ID: References: <87k2bn1s7e.fsf@web.de> <266831cc-e199-35b0-9564-327c192b2ea6@easy-emacs.de> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 25017 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 25017@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:33:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1480350782-19946-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1480350782-19946-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #25017: Fwd: Re: dotimes var comiler warning which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 25017@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 25017: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D25017 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1480350782-19946-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 25017-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2016 16:32:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45121 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cBOqc-0005AW-UE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 11:32:07 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.11]:52932) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cBOqb-00059p-6z for 25017-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 11:32:05 -0500 Received: from drachen.dragon ([90.186.3.55]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb101 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MCIe5-1c2uNt1Jab-00981A; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:31:52 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Philipp Stephani Subject: Re: bug#25017: Fwd: Re: dotimes var comiler warning References: <878ts957gj.fsf@web.de> <266831cc-e199-35b0-9564-327c192b2ea6@easy-emacs.de> <87zikpkkej.fsf@gmx.de> <87ziko4yaq.fsf@web.de> <87vavc4xsx.fsf@web.de> <34f65954-78b3-4063-a971-cc020e482677@default> <87mvglusuh.fsf@web.de> <555aa16a-98d0-4427-9db1-ca4f857a6ddd@default> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:31:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Philipp Stephani's message of "Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:11:44 +0000") Message-ID: <87k2bn1s7e.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:kkAWzJbZGXkoY1s2ZxNaZTPjAUbDvWvhZ2spnvWnwxHClsxVpVW oQl/jCJHFxCSNBy5ffLw7gGRyRwdkZz3Q/tfuIbqb5rmiEaJHEQq849fyv4JQvJYomFWC3C ZH+TFNJ1N8q4aHH5q35kTfapc5IbklQLvIZeJ+GcycSV4F42A2bBT6NS4CZlsSKRVvk1LY5 SgnLXQ6cEN30/QORHiLnA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:XdNBaOsUNDQ=:8AAXsMuj4/IE4hsYuLPnvI 8XTNKnwVdHb5TAPkEjqqtnJYAkezNzIj7HK+oT8Liih4n0aFZjZ8aofzXXJsiYTBNN0QnyToR JKkNQQeAr1RlzkexsMNqbmg31kr/6C9zkhBwpW1RJh8tMmzbVVa/pMyB1q+Cok8Q1PhQmUaGS Je4DndRM+9p/tL8XFs1wGr+7GJNP0PYMAxbkRp6CmNsNLj8CgfLeg5wKodnnNYbeeEik8TDnK 3LKkcxaC2PnUqvcqw/5RdIUgADGAQaezcLStI/cKmcuce82oOPbwfmrjEFaT/SabTcvdIHdME evhCl40aNc6bEN4da29UkAvKNcIVCvtEgsANhPwWJhfSQoFxSVIA0lBr8t/0tGMec+NqLOOPB IKctsTpRnFb1RG80LwpcwZs6wjbZ3y7YbVq8GiqoqTBIsOtO2yAMwdvbty/DCKgI8VWdnmLw9 XwkigYgxhqV11dUUFLA1nK30AEPtN4KVc+/kRgSF3l1p9Tq22lmc1dnTvPWwXdPCSRJnDCmSy lEFtMtb1CmWUXtiatJ8kELKgBJKGY0Mqm/BkxG+4udz67sKuY90azvU5jzg1U5K5QkRKp22/P DD0m16ERv/Z2K7qt2SG22U3utNVrN73QwCq0i1woecOehiwCZMQBfQd5jpJkn98PjT0JCpLo9 HTP5aAEsOINdPMFkNse0mMqF2cMAus+B+vVDLIhOWoXPVGOp1QL/qxTKXSimLWfFKC1JMOhWJ Un/cA3W7Z1rzIrHhjr9qMxkCKan3ssOaskQnkmb3tc0yBa8zd4pKmTIPybwmEiHXLI+whU4kt zHQ5850 X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25017-done Cc: andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de, 25017-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) Philipp Stephani writes: > For purposes of this thread: As in Emacs Lisp, both VAR > and COUNT are required arguments. In general, I'd prefer > that Emacs Lisp not diverge from but converge toward > Common Lisp. > > The (implicit) decision to diverge further from Common Lisp has been > made a while ago, by prefixing the CL functions with `cl' and > importing the `seq' and `map' libraries, which provide similar > functionality, but with a different interface. Maybe (though, I don't think there was such decision, implicit or not - "seq" and "map" functions also have an according prefix - I wouldn't say we are converging are diverging to/from Common Lisp at all, but give developers a stylistic choice). But here were are talking about a construct that exists in pure Elisp, and OTOH also in Common Lisp, sharing the same name. If there is not really a need to make the semantics differ, I prefer to leave things as they are, because everything else would probably be more confusing than helpful. Regards, Michael. ------------=_1480350782-19946-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2016 14:01:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40020 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c9uag-0001sM-CQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:01:30 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33988) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c9uae-0001s7-Ud for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:01:29 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c9uaY-0001VL-Tl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:01:23 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:45986) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c9uaY-0001V5-R6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:01:22 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53165) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c9uaX-00074o-ID for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:01:22 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c9uaR-0001Q7-Oh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:01:21 -0500 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.133]:52884) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c9uaR-0001Od-DF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:01:15 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.35] ([77.12.123.142]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue001 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LrmbG-1csEEQ3TIs-013i4k for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:01:13 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Re: dotimes var comiler warning References: <878ts957gj.fsf@web.de> To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_R=c3=b6hler?= X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <878ts957gj.fsf@web.de> Message-ID: <266831cc-e199-35b0-9564-327c192b2ea6@easy-emacs.de> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:10:02 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <878ts957gj.fsf@web.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------92B3F6260E6F8F3EE3B00DA5" X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:LBl352WBRcKKOiiUKA9iB8zovdLo6Tz5bZwtjcMGOrRnpEhfRZ3 GQYOQl5q8ZiFNtBh1cd/ZOQ2D8DiY1jb/e5VT6bPWVIqpKEiW91kjhHbUH7JLRq20sCM19a sACjjGgrfiMpz5UZuGZgX7Hnw6ngmbW5rS70gFS1vpMG0vuy7BRYMWoq6VGE7hd36YLgG9f SuF9AExeifWVvRVjsAOiw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:lTD5+aEVWnk=:gX0WoQbrl7TjO90zkqj5Vh VjM30HvOsdJZr8PW2yPwom6GZQwxQ3w061do+iRujcDMnUJrzzMdF4s+Gx2sXJLqFzzwO72CD ZO55San5/9Jxc3pOWeEOlTq6iSknQkj0JNZdrLTUzE7dUGrj8lSI6c+q3V9rhToADjSYoJZIU hFWDBuUy63w6oZWozckckyGSTumJ3ZOa4clmCWFLehJvqSoxdHWAEe62Gfnn8T3iHmqEHHfmL Vgc1c4oL3h3iidRgPm2Dnk+h+/KhsSBf87/KSkga2lEUgI443xKvuq2uEeETsBP9AzJW/pj3e WDIyWa2bnzUQxPP8qb8QNmrLHFdrtk12zJwMYiIXD6bZl9c4rHsqOxyN8Rg+Ah6p5DTHjkokK kX2LbUQ3dBVgn3WhrDFtPhlogOjQEcAQRx1fjODMgcrxaW7reeeAGluHZCxih8NVd65fGlGjt E+28bcP/lqaQ0x8pVJF8iEprwATYzlo0QNdnQFYgffR37S+GITYdOhocjx7xglR5br+R0Ifoa KyRKgkba4KBNg+zXfq0gIvp3bVcUMyDp+kwgrddCzDYj40tesf0aEOwS7STCcrrZIth1gApsu YxKjc9bXr2gpVFYRV05mAUjAjuDDfnXrle8aS4vi8/4knkfDBphA+InKZ0FpBnO5MtGMGlmjI W80cw7+1mbZ/gaWf7Rs7bCbs8pX4NxN8w6aY/8F4nDP+dgPu0HpSuFHuEVRN9zQUSYiJpuKNw 9fXTeZB2/STgTEDh X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------92B3F6260E6F8F3EE3B00DA5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit See text below, thanks! -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: dotimes var comiler warning Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:32:44 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Andreas Röhler CC: Help Gnu Emacs mailing list Andreas Röhler writes: > when employing a form > > (dotimes (i erg) > > ...do-something > > > Compiler sends a warning "Unused lexical variable ‘i’ - whilst seems > no way to leave out such a var. > > Worth a bug-report? If none exists yet, I'm for it. FWIW, there is a FIXME comment in the source code already. Yes, you can probably use `_' to suppress the warning, but I always wondered why something called like this requires a variable to be specified (mandatorily) at all. Michael. --------------92B3F6260E6F8F3EE3B00DA5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

See text below, thanks!


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: dotimes var comiler warning
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:32:44 +0100
From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>
To: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de>
CC: Help Gnu Emacs mailing list <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 


Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> writes:

> when employing a form
>
> (dotimes (i erg)
>
>    ...do-something
>
>
> Compiler sends a warning "Unused lexical variable ‘i’ - whilst seems
> no way to leave out such a var.
>
> Worth a bug-report?

If none exists yet, I'm for it.  FWIW, there is a FIXME comment in the
source code already.

Yes, you can probably use `_' to suppress the warning, but I always
wondered why something called like this requires a variable to be
specified (mandatorily) at all.


Michael.
--------------92B3F6260E6F8F3EE3B00DA5-- ------------=_1480350782-19946-1-- From unknown Fri Jun 13 10:45:44 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#25017: Fwd: Re: dotimes var comiler warning Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25017 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Heerdegen , Philipp Stephani Cc: andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de, 25017-done@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 25017-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D25017.148035206621932 (code D ref 25017); Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:55:02 +0000 Received: (at 25017-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2016 16:54:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45150 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cBPCD-0005hf-W1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 11:54:26 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:50028) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cBPCC-0005hT-3u for 25017-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 11:54:24 -0500 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id uASGsH24004345 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:54:17 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id uASGsGbf022502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:54:16 GMT Received: from abhmp0017.oracle.com (abhmp0017.oracle.com [141.146.116.23]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id uASGsFN9019445; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:54:15 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2e72cdb4-d73d-4b41-b8d2-ffb47ce7b8c7@default> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 08:54:13 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <878ts957gj.fsf@web.de> <266831cc-e199-35b0-9564-327c192b2ea6@easy-emacs.de> <87zikpkkej.fsf@gmx.de> <87ziko4yaq.fsf@web.de> <87vavc4xsx.fsf@web.de> <34f65954-78b3-4063-a971-cc020e482677@default> <87mvglusuh.fsf@web.de> <555aa16a-98d0-4427-9db1-ca4f857a6ddd@default> <87k2bn1s7e.fsf@web.de> In-Reply-To: <87k2bn1s7e.fsf@web.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -5.2 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.2 (-----) > > The (implicit) decision to diverge further from Common Lisp has > > been made a while ago, by prefixing the CL functions with `cl' and > > importing the `seq' and `map' libraries, which provide similar > > functionality, but with a different interface. >=20 > Maybe (though, I don't think there was such decision, implicit or > not - "seq" and "map" functions also have an according prefix - I > wouldn't say we are converging are diverging to/from Common Lisp > at all, but give developers a stylistic choice). But here were > are talking about a construct that exists in pure Elisp, and OTOH > also in Common Lisp, sharing the same name. If there is not > really a need to make the semantics differ, I prefer to leave > things as they are, because everything else would probably be > more confusing than helpful. +1. Well put.