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ls-quotes: ls output has been made ugly

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To: Assaf Gordon <assafgordon <at> gmail.com>
Cc: tracker <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#24926: closed (ls-quotes:  ls output has been made ugly)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:27:02 +0000

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From: Michael Schwager <mike <at> schwager.com>
To: bug-coreutils <at> gnu.org
Subject: ls output has been made ugly
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 09:50:54 -0600

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"...we don't mean to dictate, only to improve things" -Pádraig Brady
<http://unix.stackexchange.com/users/37127/p%c3%a1draig-brady> Feb 15 at
20:46
<http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/258679/why-is-ls-suddenly-wrapping-items-with-spaces-in-single-quotes#comment455651_262162>

Somebody went and dictated ls' new behavior, and now my files with spaces
look really really ugly.

I just upgraded to Fedora 24 which has the new ls. I rsync'ed my music from
my old hard drive to my new one and noticed spurious characters. I was
looking around, trying to find out what I did wrong/what it meant/etc. I
don't have single quotes in many of my filenames, although I do in some.

Look at this directory listing:
AWOLNation                  'Joe Jackson'
'Cage the Elephant'         'Joy Division'
'Calabria 2008'             'Joy Division-All Gods Angels Beware.m3u'
'Carly Rae Jepsen'          'Joy Division-Joy Division  The Peel Sessions
10 Dec 79.m3u'
'Cat Power'                 'Joy Division-The Peel Sessions Unreleased
Tracks.m3u'
'Culture Club'              'Katy Perry'
'Cyndi Lauper'              'Laura Branigan'
'Daft Punk'                 Offspring

That is just plain ugly. Don't you think I can see the spaces in my
filenames? What do those quotes do but add cruft? Who thinks they know
better than I do? How was this decision made? (that's a rhetorical
question, I don't want an answer because I've read the arguments and I
think it's a really bad idea.) Who ever thinks that what you get is not
what is actually there is ever a good idea???

Yes, you can opt out. This is akin to what email spammers have been teling
us for years about tracking us and sticking ads in our inboxes. That "Hey,
no problem- you can always opt out..." Even if you can (and there are some
legitimate sites out there that will opt you out), the point is that you
should not stick your choices into people's faces. Offer up the
alternative... don't create an alternative, then say "Now you get it
because I say so. Don't like it? You can always change it back..." That's
insulting.

-- 
-Mike Schwager

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From: Assaf Gordon <assafgordon <at> gmail.com>
To: Rüdiger Meier <sweet_f_a <at> gmx.de>,
 24926-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: Michael Schwager <mike <at> schwager.com>
Subject: Re: bug#24926: ls output has been made ugly
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 13:26:33 -0700

Hello,

On 2016-11-12 5:27 a.m., Rüdiger Meier wrote:
> 
> 
> On Friday 11 November 2016 21:00:23 Eric Blake wrote:
>> On 11/11/2016 12:26 PM, Paul Eggert wrote:
>>> Michael Schwager wrote:
>>>> Don't you think I can see the spaces in my filenames?
>>>

We created a summary of common issues and FAQs
regarding the quoting change in ls(1):
  https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/quotes.html

If there is an issue that is not addressed there,
please send an email to coreutils <at> gnu.org .

regards,
 - assaf

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