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26.0.50; Emacs 25: set-fontset-font does not take effect with some ASCII symbols

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From: Toshikazu Nakamura <bmcbq234 <at> yahoo.co.jp>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 26.0.50;
 Emacs 25: set-fontset-font does not take effect with some ASCII
 symbols
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2016 23:15:06 +0900

Hello,

I use Emacs for editing texts that contain Japanese as well as English
and other languages. In order to give characters of each language a
better appearance, I use a fontset that specifies a different font for
ASCII characters and double-width Japanese characters.

Since Emacs 25.1, however, I find that the default ASCII font is
always used for some characters that belongs to some other character
set (e.g. japanese-jisx0208) and for which another font is specified.

(set-language-environment "Japanese")
(set-face-attribute 'default nil :family "DejaVu Sans Mono" :height 96)
(set-fontset-font nil 'japanese-jisx0208
                  (font-spec :family "TakaoGothic"))
(add-to-list 'face-font-rescale-alist '(".*TakaoGothic.*" . 1.25))

When I launch Emacs with the "-Q" option and load the above settings,
the default ASCII font is used for characters like #x2026 and #x25bd,
though the result of describe-char shows that they belong to
japanese-jisx0208:

             position: 80 of 4241 (2%), column: 44
            character: … (displayed as …) (codepoint 8230, #o20046, #x2026)
    preferred charset: japanese-jisx0208 (JISX0208.1983/1990 Japanese Kanji: ISO-IR-87)
code point in charset: 0x2144
               script: symbol
               syntax: _ 	which means: symbol
             category: .:Base, >:Not at bol, c:Chinese, h:Korean, j:Japanese
             to input: type "C-x 8 RET 2026" or "C-x 8 RET HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS"
          buffer code: #xE2 #x80 #xA6
            file code: #xE2 #x80 #xA6 (encoded by coding system utf-8-unix)
              display: by this font (glyph code)
    xft:-unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-m-0-iso10646-1 (#x728)

Character code properties: customize what to show
  name: HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS
  general-category: Po (Punctuation, Other)
  decomposition: (compat 46 46 46) (compat '.' '.' '.')

Emacs 24 uses for these symbols the font specified for
japanese-jisx0208 and displays them as double-width Japanese symbols.
When displayed with the default ASCII font as in Emacs 25, these
symbols give Japanese texts a rather awkward appearance.

The same issue is discussed in the thread starting with the following
message:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2016-10/msg00004.html

I agree with Alex that there should be some way to override the
default ASCII font, especially because in my case it considerably
alters the appearance of the text. I would appreciate it if some
customization could be made possible.

Best regards.



In GNU Emacs 26.0.50.2 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.5)
 of 2016-10-03 built on epson
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-- 
Toshikazu Nakamura

Message #10 received at 24644-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Toshikazu Nakamura <bmcbq234 <at> yahoo.co.jp>
Cc: 24644-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24644: 26.0.50;
 Emacs 25: set-fontset-font does not take effect with some ASCII
 symbols
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2016 22:10:36 +0300

> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2016 23:15:06 +0900
> From: Toshikazu Nakamura <bmcbq234 <at> yahoo.co.jp>
> 
> I use Emacs for editing texts that contain Japanese as well as English
> and other languages. In order to give characters of each language a
> better appearance, I use a fontset that specifies a different font for
> ASCII characters and double-width Japanese characters.
> 
> Since Emacs 25.1, however, I find that the default ASCII font is
> always used for some characters that belongs to some other character
> set (e.g. japanese-jisx0208) and for which another font is specified.

This is a deliberate change in Emacs 25.1.  Preferring the default
face's font is better in the vast majority of cases, because it
doesn't disrupt the text alignment.  The preferred charset shown by
"C-u C-x =" has nothing to do with selecting the font.  (I also wonder
what does a character such as u+2026 has to do with Japanese
characters.)

I've now added a variable that you can set to disable the new behavior
and get back the old pre-Emacs 25.1 behavior, for those users who
want/need that.  The change is on the emacs-25 branch, so Emacs 25.2
will have it.

With that, I'm marking this bug done.

Thanks.

Message #13 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Clément Pit--Claudel <clement.pit <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24644: 26.0.50; Emacs 25: set-fontset-font does not take
 effect with some ASCII symbols
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 20:14:34 -0400

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On 2016-10-08 15:10, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> I've now added a variable that you can set to disable the new behavior
> and get back the old pre-Emacs 25.1 behavior, for those users who
> want/need that.  The change is on the emacs-25 branch, so Emacs 25.2
> will have it.

How is the new variable called?  Also, what's the way to use a given font for a given charset in Emacs 25.1, without setting that variable?

Thanks!
Clément.

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Message #16 received at 24644 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Clément Pit--Claudel <clement.pit <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 24644 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24644: 26.0.50;
 Emacs 25: set-fontset-font does not take effect with some ASCII
 symbols
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2016 10:08:49 +0300

> From: Clément Pit--Claudel <clement.pit <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 20:14:34 -0400
> 
> On 2016-10-08 15:10, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > I've now added a variable that you can set to disable the new behavior
> > and get back the old pre-Emacs 25.1 behavior, for those users who
> > want/need that.  The change is on the emacs-25 branch, so Emacs 25.2
> > will have it.
> 
> How is the new variable called?

It's mentioned in NEWS, of course.

> Also, what's the way to use a given font for a given charset in Emacs 25.1, without setting that variable?

You should use set-fontset-font, I think its doc string explains
this.  Also, there's an example in the ELisp manual, where
set-fontset-font is described.

Message #19 received at 24644 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Clément Pit--Claudel <clement.pit <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 24644 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24644: 26.0.50; Emacs 25: set-fontset-font does not take
 effect with some ASCII symbols
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 10:29:44 -0400

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

On 2016-10-09 03:08, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: Clément Pit--Claudel <clement.pit <at> gmail.com>
>> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 20:14:34 -0400
>>
>> On 2016-10-08 15:10, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>>> I've now added a variable that you can set to disable the new behavior
>>> and get back the old pre-Emacs 25.1 behavior, for those users who
>>> want/need that.  The change is on the emacs-25 branch, so Emacs 25.2
>>> will have it.
>>
>> How is the new variable called?
> 
> It's mentioned in NEWS, of course.
> 
>> Also, what's the way to use a given font for a given charset in Emacs 25.1, without setting that variable?
> 
> You should use set-fontset-font, I think its doc string explains
> this.  Also, there's an example in the ELisp manual, where
> set-fontset-font is described.

Thanks for clarifying.  I don't understand why the original change was needed, though.  What prevented users from adding the default font as the first font in their fontset?  Wouldn't that have achieved exactly the same (pick the character from the default font if available, and otherwise from the next one in the fontset)?

Clément.

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Message #22 received at 24644 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Clément Pit--Claudel <clement.pit <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 24644 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24644: 26.0.50; Emacs 25: set-fontset-font does not take
 effect with some ASCII symbols
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2016 17:43:29 +0300

> Cc: 24644 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Clément Pit--Claudel <clement.pit <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 10:29:44 -0400
> 
> I don't understand why the original change was needed, though.  What prevented users from adding the default font as the first font in their fontset?  Wouldn't that have achieved exactly the same (pick the character from the default font if available, and otherwise from the next one in the fontset)?

The intent was for Emacs to DTRT _by_default_, without asking users to
customize their fontsets.  Doing the latter is somewhat tricky, and
besides it's considered a Good Thing for a program to behave as users
expect out of the box.

Message #25 received at 24644 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Toshikazu Nakamura <bmcbq234 <at> yahoo.co.jp>
Cc: 24644 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24644: 26.0.50;
 Emacs 25: set-fontset-font does not take effect with some
 ASCII	symbols
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:28:05 +0300

> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 18:15:10 +0900
> From: Toshikazu Nakamura <bmcbq234 <at> yahoo.co.jp>
> 
> > This is a deliberate change in Emacs 25.1.  Preferring the default
> > face's font is better in the vast majority of cases, because it
> > doesn't disrupt the text alignment.  The preferred charset shown by
> > "C-u C-x =" has nothing to do with selecting the font.  (I also wonder
> > what does a character such as u+2026 has to do with Japanese
> > characters.)
> 
> Thanks for the explanation.
> 
> When you edit Japanese texts, double-width Japanese characters are
> displayed alongside single-width ASCII characters. u+2026 (HORIZONTAL
> ELLIPSIS) and a bunch of other symbols are frequently used in Japanese
> texts and should be displayed as double-width Japanese symbols, at
> least when they occur in parts of the text written in Japanese.
> 
> > I've now added a variable that you can set to disable the new behavior
> > and get back the old pre-Emacs 25.1 behavior, for those users who
> > want/need that.  The change is on the emacs-25 branch, so Emacs 25.2
> > will have it.
> 
> I have tested the change and it is exactly what I wanted.
> 
> I was not sure how to reply the message delivered from the bug
> tracker, so I deleted the CC field just in case.

You should have kept that CC field.

> Thank you for the quick response.

Thanks for testing the fix.

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