From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:02:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 03:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 24594 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 24594@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.14754649454119 (code B ref -1); Mon, 03 Oct 2016 03:23:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2016 03:22:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42391 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bqtph-00014M-85 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:22:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59028) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bqtpf-000143-5N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:22:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bqtpZ-0000Es-4u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:22:18 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:45539) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bqtpZ-0000Dx-29 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:22:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49998) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bqtpW-00059q-RW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:22:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bqtpS-0000AH-LK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:22:13 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:22564) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bqtpS-00009m-CH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:22:10 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u933M9P3020019 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:22:09 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u933M8hq016740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:22:09 GMT Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u933M8wV030605 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:22:08 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 20:22:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="__14754649281325664abhmp0016.oracle.com" X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) --__14754649281325664abhmp0016.oracle.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See http://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/27527/105: the user wants to use a different face from face `variable-pitch'.=C2=A0 That seems reasonable. =C2=A0 Please consider adding an optional FACE argument, defaulting to face `variable-pitch'. =C2=A0 In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-04-11 on LEG570 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/usr --host=3Di686-pc-mingw32' =C2=A0 --__14754649281325664abhmp0016.oracle.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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boundary="jiDMgjTOvABw1dOwCGTObgvpuEHMPDH7G"; protected-headers="v1" From: =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=c3=a9ment_Pit--Claudel?= To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face References: In-Reply-To: --jiDMgjTOvABw1dOwCGTObgvpuEHMPDH7G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016-10-02 23:22, Drew Adams wrote: > See http://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/27527/105: the user wants to use a= > different face from face `variable-pitch'. That seems reasonable. That's not how I read it. I think they just want to change the look of E= macs after invoking variable-pitch-mode, and customizing the variable-pit= ch face seems like the right approach for that. > Please consider adding an optional FACE argument, defaulting to face > `variable-pitch'. I don't really see why the function should be called variable-pitch-mode = any more. Maybe select-buffer-face? IIUC this wouldn't have anything to = do with variable pitches any more, except for the default value, maybe? Cheers, Cl=C3=A9ment. --jiDMgjTOvABw1dOwCGTObgvpuEHMPDH7G-- --ig3OHwoNt9o8xiXJaXeraaqS0O6woihF1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJX8dMQAAoJEPqg+cTm90wjpRIP/2RDpkKeU0CRtHx0kAuVTeSX 7kULYq43HsvKHrV50/nq6/4nZYOF1DRE/cEb0zWgbsGpEhOi2jnTRvavEG+ZBYoQ y4SVPWFsYWT1knNUQzFdN/was9SzULcbVZwT1/UIJ+JxIDWpS5nnuxHeGfezKcO4 CXKkGDLiiG4pYc0QcQ3XUE1jLi4CPgTeF65M98uzcCTEmyZI+jGloXafDRPk/ocU Gw8NiPoG5Lo85pMB4xLfb4+TNcaLk3ukgMy06SJaOmF8edkrxCO5dnlzwIGc10yq yle/yOhh94btNUmxpnEL/Mg4QA3v1NgJpTRMjfoRN1ttpypAjrCWYDHWmvDtQ9Ew TiwrrE4b9u5WAe97cKtokf6GSMoJ0JsucFqoDiN5v8ywFzLjVw1ldSoqKdsFNfjJ qtwDBAg6JU7Ym7uISk+cz8JVBBwetXptSXJ3DxNbc8TXs/3FV+ojo7mtfYQVysgp X/HyPaLTIebycpHGuwLKGQGDt1PCoSj91sopvooxuX1REabcDSmc5MYZT0tWfOTe 2cNa/jMTdQ21ZmfYU/s7Ctma1o9Rt0MDGTaN4Qwuxp2WIbGDsYuwKbJFCgSKWGIR ZSV6dy0M0eXFPfVRSQrRx2kaTFfiV6JfpYVOGAleLhiyPnxFQaMLTHrjP2FIQaVv tc+DKD1mtjRhpYFLmg/3 =yFbg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ig3OHwoNt9o8xiXJaXeraaqS0O6woihF1-- From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:02:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 03:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24594 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Pit--Claudel , 24594@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 24594-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24594.14754665146893 (code B ref 24594); Mon, 03 Oct 2016 03:49:02 +0000 Received: (at 24594) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2016 03:48:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42412 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bquF0-0001n7-Gq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:48:34 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:42112) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bquEx-0001mr-LH for 24594@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:48:32 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u933mNAg007210 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:48:23 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u933mMDU014724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:48:22 GMT Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u933mLnt006706; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:48:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <587cb6c7-44f8-4546-91ee-264416c965d6@default> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 20:48:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) > > See http://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/27527/105: the user wants to use a > > different face from face `variable-pitch'. That seems reasonable. >=20 > That's not how I read it. I think they just want to change the look of > Emacs after invoking variable-pitch-mode, and customizing the variable-pi= tch > face seems like the right approach for that. The question as posed is ambiguous, but it specifically asks how to use a d= ifferent face. The answer I gave spoke to both possible interpretations of= the question. > > Please consider adding an optional FACE argument, defaulting to face > > `variable-pitch'. >=20 > I don't really see why the function should be called variable-pitch-mode = any > more. Maybe select-buffer-face? IIUC this wouldn't have anything to do w= ith > variable pitches any more, except for the default value, maybe? Agreed. Unless there is some particular use for limiting the accepted FACE= to variable-pitch faces. In that case, additional logic/control would be = needed. Was there some particular reason that a mode was written specifically for v= ariable-pitch (whether the face `variable-pitch' or variable-pitch faces in= general), rather than providing a mode for any face? If not then agreed: = a name change would be appropriate. From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:02:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 07:01:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24594 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 24594@debbugs.gnu.org, clement.pit@gmail.com Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 24594-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24594.147547801528171 (code B ref 24594); Mon, 03 Oct 2016 07:01:02 +0000 Received: (at 24594) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2016 07:00:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42462 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bqxEV-0007KJ-DF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 03:00:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38298) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bqxET-0007K0-NG for 24594@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 03:00:13 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bqxEL-0004nY-GY for 24594@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 03:00:08 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53976) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bqxEL-0004n2-EJ; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 03:00:05 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4968 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bqxEH-0007EX-ED; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 03:00:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:00:12 +0300 Message-Id: <83oa31q5mr.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <587cb6c7-44f8-4546-91ee-264416c965d6@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 2 Oct 2016 20:48:19 -0700 (PDT)) References: <587cb6c7-44f8-4546-91ee-264416c965d6@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.1 (--------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.1 (--------) > Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 20:48:19 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > > > See http://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/27527/105: the user wants to use a > > > different face from face `variable-pitch'. That seems reasonable. > > > > That's not how I read it. I think they just want to change the look of > > Emacs after invoking variable-pitch-mode, and customizing the variable-pitch > > face seems like the right approach for that. > > The question as posed is ambiguous, but it specifically asks how to use a different face. No, he asks how to use a different _font_, and customizing the face (as you have suggested there) is the way to achieve that. > > > Please consider adding an optional FACE argument, defaulting to face > > > `variable-pitch'. > > > > I don't really see why the function should be called variable-pitch-mode any > > more. Maybe select-buffer-face? IIUC this wouldn't have anything to do with > > variable pitches any more, except for the default value, maybe? > > Agreed. Unless there is some particular use for limiting the accepted FACE to variable-pitch faces. In that case, additional logic/control would be needed. We already have buffer-face-mode. > Was there some particular reason that a mode was written specifically for variable-pitch (whether the face `variable-pitch' or variable-pitch faces in general), rather than providing a mode for any face? If not then agreed: a name change would be appropriate. The variable-pitch face is a very general face: it stands for a face using any variable-pitch font, of which there are gazillions. From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:02:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 13:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24594 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Cc: 24594@debbugs.gnu.org, clement.pit@gmail.com Received: via spool by 24594-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24594.147550177321651 (code B ref 24594); Mon, 03 Oct 2016 13:37:02 +0000 Received: (at 24594) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2016 13:36:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42688 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1br3Ph-0005d9-D3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 09:36:13 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:24319) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1br3Pg-0005cp-1d for 24594@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 09:36:12 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u93Da5xd028534 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2016 13:36:06 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u93Da5TR016402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2016 13:36:05 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u93Da4VP005961; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 13:36:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3a104ad1-ccf9-4b54-9773-e939d74aaac1@default> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 06:36:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: < > <<587cb6c7-44f8-4546-91ee-264416c965d6@default>> <<83oa31q5mr.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83oa31q5mr.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) > We already have buffer-face-mode. Not really the same. > > Was there some particular reason that a mode was written specifically f= or > variable-pitch (whether the face `variable-pitch' or variable-pitch faces= in > general), rather than providing a mode for any face? If not then agreed:= a > name change would be appropriate. >=20 > The variable-pitch face is a very general face: it stands for a face > using any variable-pitch font, of which there are gazillions. A single face. The face is hard-coded in the command. You cannot use the command with a different face. Being able to customize a face is something else altogether. And no, there is nothing special about face `variable-pitch'. In particular, there is nothing that prevents you from customizing it to a fixed-pitch face. From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:02:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 14:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24594 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 24594@debbugs.gnu.org, clement.pit@gmail.com Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 24594-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24594.147550394426934 (code B ref 24594); Mon, 03 Oct 2016 14:13:02 +0000 Received: (at 24594) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2016 14:12:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43101 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1br3yi-00070M-1L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:12:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47982) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1br3yg-000703-J4 for 24594@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:12:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1br3yX-0001uZ-Ic for 24594@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:12:17 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59922) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1br3yX-0001u4-FT; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:12:13 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1753 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1br3yV-0005Te-JL; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:12:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 17:12:24 +0300 Message-Id: <83d1jhplmf.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <3a104ad1-ccf9-4b54-9773-e939d74aaac1@default> (message from Drew Adams on Mon, 3 Oct 2016 06:36:03 -0700 (PDT)) References: < > <<587cb6c7-44f8-4546-91ee-264416c965d6@default>> <<83oa31q5mr.fsf@gnu.org>> <3a104ad1-ccf9-4b54-9773-e939d74aaac1@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -7.7 (-------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -7.7 (-------) > Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 06:36:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: clement.pit@gmail.com, 24594@debbugs.gnu.org > > > The variable-pitch face is a very general face: it stands for a face > > using any variable-pitch font, of which there are gazillions. > > A single face. Yes, a mode that was made for using a single face. There's nothing wrong about that. > The face is hard-coded in the command. You cannot use the command > with a different face. Being able to customize a face is something > else altogether. Yes, I understood that the first time. Reiterating this doesn't help in any way. > And no, there is nothing special about face `variable-pitch'. In > particular, there is nothing that prevents you from customizing it > to a fixed-pitch face. Of course. But why would one want to do that? It's like customizing a color named "black" to have the same appearance as "white". Anyway, looks like one more of those arguments that go nowhere, so I'm out. From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:02:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 14:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24594 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Cc: 24594@debbugs.gnu.org, clement.pit@gmail.com Received: via spool by 24594-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24594.147550630332248 (code B ref 24594); Mon, 03 Oct 2016 14:52:01 +0000 Received: (at 24594) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2016 14:51:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43114 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1br4al-0008O4-G7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:51:43 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:49092) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1br4aj-0008Nk-0c for 24594@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2016 10:51:41 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u93EpYl7019900 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2016 14:51:35 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u93EpXWj001807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Oct 2016 14:51:34 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u93EpVJv012287; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 14:51:31 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 07:51:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: << >> <<<587cb6c7-44f8-4546-91ee-264416c965d6@default>>> <<<83oa31q5mr.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<3a104ad1-ccf9-4b54-9773-e939d74aaac1@default>> <<83d1jhplmf.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83d1jhplmf.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) > > > The variable-pitch face is a very general face: it stands for a face > > > using any variable-pitch font, of which there are gazillions. > > > > A single face. >=20 > Yes, a mode that was made for using a single face. There's nothing > wrong about that. Your statement was not about the mode, and neither was my reply to it. It was about your claim that the face "stands for a face using any variable-pitch font...". How a face stands for a face, I don't know. But there is nothing more general about this face than any other face. It, like others, is entirely customizable. Nor is it more restrictive than other faces. As I mentioned, you can easily customize it to NOT be variable-pitch. > > The face is hard-coded in the command. You cannot use the command > > with a different face. Being able to customize a face is something > > else altogether. >=20 > Yes, I understood that the first time. Reiterating this doesn't help > in any way. You mentioned the ability to customize the face as somehow obviating the command being restrictive (hardcoded to one particular face). I replied that customizing the face is something else altogether - irrelevant here. > > And no, there is nothing special about face `variable-pitch'. In > > particular, there is nothing that prevents you from customizing it > > to a fixed-pitch face. >=20 > Of course. But why would one want to do that? It's like customizing > a color named "black" to have the same appearance as "white". Who said that one should want to do that? Naming a face after any of its default attributes (e.g. `red-foreground') is misguided. But that's not the point here. This was in reply to your statement that face `variable-pitch' "stands for a face using any variable-pitch font." It doesn't stand for any particular set of faces, at least not according to the code. It is just a face like another - entirely customizable. It might be interesting to have a face whose customization is limited to variable-pitch fonts. But (so far anyway) `variable-pitch' is not that face. > Anyway, looks like one more of those arguments that go nowhere, so I'm > out. Likewise. You brought in extraneous stuff, to which I replied, hoping it might help. I should know better by now, I guess. From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:02:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face Resent-From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2016 00:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24594 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 24594@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Pit--Claudel Received: via spool by 24594-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24594.147562655127254 (code B ref 24594); Wed, 05 Oct 2016 00:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 24594) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2016 00:15:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45032 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1brZsF-00075J-92 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2016 20:15:51 -0400 Received: from mail-it0-f42.google.com ([209.85.214.42]:36587) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1brZsB-0006uM-5D; Tue, 04 Oct 2016 20:15:48 -0400 Received: by mail-it0-f42.google.com with SMTP id 188so78724891iti.1; Tue, 04 Oct 2016 17:15:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=xSl3hoa2FMUX/KIzuESEpg8IN9VK5gApmsLFNyHCZBk=; b=X+awsziQ5bMKU8BMW6ZHV2gb1LH3N/fdGgdGCfktEFE1EfT8dD2fA54ULehEeLIXSL pYTHyNFRwavb7LXXCwqmdk2or4kN/1bYf+qlwdpJj0BFrYSQI71Dbp9bkjPI0N2Iv89q 1F/7iIhsO7Y8lGHRdoLP4RLrjyTTqPQM1e9zkwJqc3kzSQSVurETplpDrRFq5n4MiUxZ qgyMAGdCTEmpOpDy9uYf0FfpkDmJFtS2iIzpjE/spxxfbj9xQ/hp6ySGyWtE+/cxlJrL EC7SCbauLdhK5n1B67MCm9lPUgBNdAhV+WV2Ut5Gwdr4x1fIsNhM0Zp0tDhCjGMi2aeJ q94w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=xSl3hoa2FMUX/KIzuESEpg8IN9VK5gApmsLFNyHCZBk=; b=HmOg7hehqTvGLgNunSdVI1tDuBbqmQgX0oSsvNQZ/Sqxs6Uu5WaIQ4m92rFl6guKdR s/AVEeLTnTpjXcwBYhRer3+arlm9zzhLTfvvZQx4J32IOMxzPZxzopd3ND4elYzRHDb0 maMT4+bB4ac+VGjwQEFjS9Ps01UMhcH9Z2Llxw7bLNEgY6uxWXAvqpscF8gyWyb3VcIi ICY/+kIA6fpXKlM/8vD9hUl67rVSCnGIw9I3qffK/tgYy8dpPYLc9qA7UXvgeqfGfpPW G40goOGVO3U5YhsCLuUNbLXe7s2qR7AEkxGx3kHKLJnIPu4j4JcZMA4HBoPYCNZ0LL5S fcEA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RnRy4ENAYq8MFLf5z/V1hrJVIFd/S7xxJkrc+chl8O4OB/g5vmDLwnRDxzhLS1qBw== X-Received: by 10.36.125.137 with SMTP id b131mr26257314itc.55.1475626540635; Tue, 04 Oct 2016 17:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zony ([45.2.7.130]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 140sm10663279itl.4.2016.10.04.17.15.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 04 Oct 2016 17:15:39 -0700 (PDT) From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net References: <587cb6c7-44f8-4546-91ee-264416c965d6@default> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2016 20:16:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: <587cb6c7-44f8-4546-91ee-264416c965d6@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 2 Oct 2016 20:48:19 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87eg3vy7jn.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) severity 24594 wishlist quit Drew Adams writes: >> I don't really see why the function should be called variable-pitch-mode any >> more. Maybe select-buffer-face? IIUC this wouldn't have anything to do with >> variable pitches any more, except for the default value, maybe? > > Agreed. Unless there is some particular use for limiting the accepted > FACE to variable-pitch faces. In that case, additional logic/control > would be needed. Doesn't this already exist as buffer-face-set? From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:02:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2016 03:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24594 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Cc: 24594@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Pit--Claudel Received: via spool by 24594-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24594.147563810328452 (code B ref 24594); Wed, 05 Oct 2016 03:29:02 +0000 Received: (at 24594) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2016 03:28:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45081 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1brcsZ-0007Oo-7h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2016 23:28:23 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:25935) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1brcsX-0007Oc-L0 for 24594@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2016 23:28:22 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u953SFO6014984 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2016 03:28:15 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u953SEQu017850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2016 03:28:15 GMT Received: from abhmp0013.oracle.com (abhmp0013.oracle.com [141.146.116.19]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u953SE2x013031; Wed, 5 Oct 2016 03:28:14 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <83862660-197c-4647-91a0-b8330bab231f@default> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 20:28:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <587cb6c7-44f8-4546-91ee-264416c965d6@default> <87eg3vy7jn.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> In-Reply-To: <87eg3vy7jn.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) > Doesn't this already exist as buffer-face-set? Not really. Nor is it `buffer-face-mode'. The closest is `buffer-face-toggle'. FWIW, I'm OK with eliminating `variable-pitch-mode' altogether. I don't really see the point of a version of `buffer-face-mode' that is limited to one face. Likewise, eliminating face `variable-pitch' - fine by me. As I said earlier, faces should not be named after some default value of an attribute (e.g. `red-foreground' face or `variable-pitch' face). But if there is some good reason why we should have a `variable-pitch-mode' and a face that REALLY is limited to variable-pitch fonts, then the defface should actually limit the attribute values so that the face is always a variable-pitch face. IF we should have a `variable-pitch-mode' then I think it should accept a face argument. One way to make it possible to specify the face interactively would be to have a specific kind of non-nil prefix arg prompt you for a face name (`read-face-name'). For more-or-less backward compatibility (not that anyone has used the command, perhaps) would be to have a negative prefix arg prompt for the face name (as well as turning on the mode). As you can tell, I don't care much about this one way or another. I don't use it and likely never will. I don't really see the point of it, as currently defined. Whether it could prove to be useful if improved a bit, I don't know. From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:02:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face Resent-From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2016 12:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24594 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 24594@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Pit--Claudel Received: via spool by 24594-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24594.147567054930553 (code B ref 24594); Wed, 05 Oct 2016 12:30:03 +0000 Received: (at 24594) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2016 12:29:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45266 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1brlJs-0007we-UK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 08:29:09 -0400 Received: from mail-it0-f46.google.com ([209.85.214.46]:35019) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1brlJp-0007vz-6z; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 08:29:06 -0400 Received: by mail-it0-f46.google.com with SMTP id r192so183424316ita.0; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 05:29:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=oSZvOfTWvLIE2wAxiwQQu/zxFVlTM+nfnc7TFrOsNP0=; b=ZS0aQFJWMZUaY6YKyiQi3oSjEpIuHo4RJdTe9Rkpa0qnY9M79MGdutylE9rzgz9C3y EhBWNPIfwKvF8KwwNL5Jm6ujiefIoCmqN1IQg17Lvb3zRZ9G8LKsBhnKZEWfreuKdDfT cG42fCJNXly7eYcBoI4QlPhFba5ifd29fmEvshRzhyruMGjX4Opg7SBJt7CBfAgFSH8R P5QCpwbTbrL+l7ptRtcinRtmga+YYqXYk7pWGFcrDkUtQZls1YmeTFLL0tCb0BobyUCt XV9k7r70QFT1HzFMI6lrqVubDG7qY5vogKosRneYtCB3s/51bRyzbtO1sjOjoaVuH7kv oc3Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=oSZvOfTWvLIE2wAxiwQQu/zxFVlTM+nfnc7TFrOsNP0=; b=I5Y6AyRnvbw3gHrIzdVbNRuIDuwmHXnL+WtJfIipNBJTlFX4sdfYA30DlCGMPHHMGf e0hnNv3kzRbkSubwLlmX9iUUF6kkcPUsie/S796vVEORUcImfVMORYN/MBjW+2YABhKU T7lRnLdkhTkL8i6qGKrqWwjXvq3zE2NIjovRWysVkvf8VZN5NLNkAcYdEA7kQtZc0wVG ZnDh0ARvVW0HYxvbMu/XsO8VOfTF5fBn/CBBXyNli+2VLueYu4U3a6mIox1cS96XTWv/ 6q9HvRC91ndZ9HCFS6vG0IdI7SWIok9CId1Sc0APuVqlkzzR5IUgo6izMJ/Siaajou/9 ijHA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RmSwZbn0MTIQgw4eOY0yVim3PPdskNkSff0+erq508tLsTEICA12ZH5R8o4Pp4Tfw== X-Received: by 10.36.196.5 with SMTP id v5mr29479233itf.84.1475670539780; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 05:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zony ([45.2.7.130]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id a11sm3511315ita.18.2016.10.05.05.28.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 05 Oct 2016 05:28:59 -0700 (PDT) From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net References: <587cb6c7-44f8-4546-91ee-264416c965d6@default> <87eg3vy7jn.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <83862660-197c-4647-91a0-b8330bab231f@default> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2016 08:29:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83862660-197c-4647-91a0-b8330bab231f@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 4 Oct 2016 20:28:11 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87y423vv0z.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) tags 24594 moreinfo quit Drew Adams writes: > > As you can tell, I don't care much about this one way or > another. I don't use it and likely never will. That's the crux of the issue, I think. You can't effectively report a subjective bug/feature request like this when you don't care about it. From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:02:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24594 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Cc: 24594@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Pit--Claudel Received: via spool by 24594-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24594.147568047029766 (code B ref 24594); Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:15:02 +0000 Received: (at 24594) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2016 15:14:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45954 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1brntu-0007k2-5i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 11:14:30 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:26415) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1brnts-0007jo-Cj for 24594@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 11:14:28 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u95FELZ6005965 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2016 15:14:21 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u95FEJcD030871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2016 15:14:21 GMT Received: from abhmp0013.oracle.com (abhmp0013.oracle.com [141.146.116.19]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u95FEHY1005350; Wed, 5 Oct 2016 15:14:18 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <423632f0-d8a1-4d8d-b86c-4b1804c5d441@default> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 08:14:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <587cb6c7-44f8-4546-91ee-264416c965d6@default> <87eg3vy7jn.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <83862660-197c-4647-91a0-b8330bab231f@default> <87y423vv0z.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> In-Reply-To: <87y423vv0z.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) > > As you can tell, I don't care much about this one way or > > another. I don't use it and likely never will. >=20 > That's the crux of the issue, I think. You can't effectively report a > subjective bug/feature request like this when you don't care about it. I did not say I don't care about it. I said I don't care much about it. I cared enough about it - for Emacs (even though I don't use it) - that I reported it. And I spent time clarifying questions raised. Please show how you think the bug/feature has not been effectively reported. Is there still something about it that is not clear to you? Anyway, it has been reported. If no one cares enough about it to fix it, so be it. That does not imply that it was not reported effectively. From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:02:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24594 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Drew Adams Cc: 24594@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Pit--Claudel Received: via spool by 24594-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24594.147568158231881 (code B ref 24594); Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:34:01 +0000 Received: (at 24594) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2016 15:33:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45960 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1broBp-0008I0-P5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 11:33:01 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f47.google.com ([209.85.218.47]:34136) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1broBn-0008Hc-KZ for 24594@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 11:32:59 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f47.google.com with SMTP id n132so212088046oih.1 for <24594@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 08:32:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=/VxO/QHU7rkw1vA3ljN6DNpsa9jvHj/EDaLCI4xJ0VM=; b=qB4F2Bmy5XlAa5Rogp91+AriwjCPziYLXaq3Mi/4k+RugUqgJ97+U5ulsDB5M92o+t 3tukd0kv1IgJjzmC43TYuFk2Qr8EEoBoi+c8+CkVpwfnm7O6BOfXoO/EOCoMd0AEPFoe ERf3aNtgUvCOSwqaebHCIShcsEpsgs+jGJ7Qlbg+Ru+UWMZtbdeSXwUYZGg2echRnjrt OwHTKmZPudS82PT30IKtRhkBrnafDmKmaueZ6ydlxsLDIX9AoPVzi7OjxPixyx9teWKq qHSG/q47YqCBIJl8knVNAGA+Oa0BLZfonucNQx8hkCBQ0pvFrMOWl1NascYghM/lad8Y 5M4g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/VxO/QHU7rkw1vA3ljN6DNpsa9jvHj/EDaLCI4xJ0VM=; b=DIF5YjINr8CMjEhLSWFmLlU1Q9HdfvyA3jj9bxrh9y111z+HLU+GgA3dFvU0o7Ln6e M4m+MwaEgMIuNsHAt6Sc2grujUlP6s38lyJ3BZqepdLQvUMpMkU98CXV+xDvB7qpKCUV xgVsoFjNHU5xowClbbbH7SKT0gJliPa4eyg5uh9JuUjqc45PFJEhsq+7nvX9QILWYqql GzJnUzuRDgyNNbVER35Huyll/sZMtkyYpj7U6aa/nXqB7TP8weCjp4JZV648Mu6qFMHZ A71rXXVrvCzgZMkVVL1HDlBnEdWlJOMDc9QaMMNN7MrTb1ygnqI85vLNi+A4zJx/ecG/ w0gg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RlCrIWEBk82AICXPUV3k1+TWu0TnGZEHfT79ZjO9IU1+tsiA3/m/RX0gpwN7NjOgqhvIdiuMNVX5ieYiw== X-Received: by 10.157.3.144 with SMTP id f16mr5909196otf.101.1475681573925; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 08:32:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.42.16 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Oct 2016 08:32:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <423632f0-d8a1-4d8d-b86c-4b1804c5d441@default> References: <587cb6c7-44f8-4546-91ee-264416c965d6@default> <87eg3vy7jn.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <83862660-197c-4647-91a0-b8330bab231f@default> <87y423vv0z.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <423632f0-d8a1-4d8d-b86c-4b1804c5d441@default> From: Noam Postavsky Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 11:32:53 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: jmj8zaJk3dsjn4qTjgQyO2wVpk0 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Drew Adams wrote: >> > As you can tell, I don't care much about this one way or >> > another. I don't use it and likely never will. >> >> That's the crux of the issue, I think. You can't effectively report a >> subjective bug/feature request like this when you don't care about it. > > I did not say I don't care about it. I said I don't care much > about it. > > I cared enough about it - for Emacs (even though I don't use it) - > that I reported it. And I spent time clarifying questions raised. > > Please show how you think the bug/feature has not been effectively > reported. Is there still something about it that is not clear > to you? Why aren't the buffer-face-* commands sufficient? From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:02:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24594 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 24594@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Pit--Claudel Received: via spool by 24594-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24594.14756826941498 (code B ref 24594); Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:52:01 +0000 Received: (at 24594) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2016 15:51:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45975 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1broTm-0000O6-Iz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 11:51:34 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:22194) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1broTk-0000Nq-P6 for 24594@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 11:51:33 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u95FpQBN001786 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2016 15:51:26 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u95FpP4F027848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Oct 2016 15:51:26 GMT Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u95FpN78007752; Wed, 5 Oct 2016 15:51:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 08:51:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <587cb6c7-44f8-4546-91ee-264416c965d6@default> <87eg3vy7jn.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <83862660-197c-4647-91a0-b8330bab231f@default> <87y423vv0z.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <423632f0-d8a1-4d8d-b86c-4b1804c5d441@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) > Why aren't the buffer-face-* commands sufficient? Which part of this is unclear: "I'm OK with eliminating `variable-pitch-mode' altogether. I don't really see the point of a version of `buffer-face-mode' that is limited to one face." That would be one "fix" for this bug report. Remove it, and remove face `variable-pitch'. On the other hand, if you do NOT eliminate it, then the problems with it are still there to be fixed. 1. Enhancement: command should work for any variable-pitch face. One way to do that, so that you can interactively specify the face to use, was proposed: negative prefix arg prompts for the face. 2. Enhancement: Fix face `variable-pitch' so that it really limits customization of the attributes to variable-pitch faces. That is the only justification for a face name that reflects particular attribute values: limit customization for those values. Again, the only reason to keep `variable-pitch-mode' and face `variable-pitch' is if you feel that we really need such things. (I do not.) But if you do, then they cry out to be fixed properly, IMO. IF they are so fixed, AND if it is true that a variable-pitch specialization of the `buffer-face-*' commands is useful (not my propos), THEN some Emacs users will presumably benefit. (I will not benefit, personally, since I do not use such things.) From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:02:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2016 21:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24594 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Drew Adams Cc: 24594@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Pit--Claudel Received: via spool by 24594-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24594.14757038437994 (code B ref 24594); Wed, 05 Oct 2016 21:45:02 +0000 Received: (at 24594) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2016 21:44:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46069 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1brtyt-00024s-9n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 17:44:03 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f44.google.com ([209.85.218.44]:35846) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1brtyr-00024H-1h for 24594@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 17:44:01 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f44.google.com with SMTP id m72so1067491oik.3 for <24594@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 14:44:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=SlLlt+tJRJPK8b1gi+gcznNZ6Ly8mJIDAZyldVUZo9I=; b=TgD3ZqmCTLzaORCo/AJE6qoioVzpXB7pDk/+gYxp9ZV5+JhPnjg0+cr5IcHcOOtqAs 00kbYL1zmRZQuvq10u4RowNppYo2cr47VufL0Kz6jT2qHeuNz0pdGDGAiWIkPl/gvyJP NJxdt6Yepcf+C7khdsJZrZlx07LNr3nGer1ms6XwkidSNe1AGftZ1FYPRbuuNEUEl0jf 7YjGR+51pAKT3wk9ES7s3+yHhvo3B9LPxS+ttNtTlNLPWaeu4ap5dH5f+wtMH9qhOT7M NOie8olqN3stmQBRBpTvDRYIwcupHBWARDAtMx7KrYPO4AaJB3gZLpD9VmhOMbusMNs3 pTWg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SlLlt+tJRJPK8b1gi+gcznNZ6Ly8mJIDAZyldVUZo9I=; b=eUfKmy0Nq/DM9usdkUwXEaHuFBi35v4VUZk4lFOJTBg3J82mRSEelgW1QzLkhGrp8F 0UwbIFnOjk7v0kLS0hrkGYRC9nEHcDZH6RB65BnDdFqVc1VSy44zFmCRnXnSAO4sxRQW SuYlokRSTI5W56LfKxaMZ5iWsOud4CY7SvdPSjJ54YEc68KhCpC2pqpcnhrFVKKzsvWv 19xtUT6t1XhMcS9iskRrkZ3HrjwXI4c7bOkoZynbCzTDk4cntwXgCEw9YtwIC33U1FKP E5149GScGrJGwHQ8APRDuoQN778mI+orJwA1GurzkJ53NOiB/4u7mEELcy6XIciV1bnx TXWw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9Rkl6KL0Kn1ex81q2CyLB9TqywKv9h3M5vJfwBbCznE2nO3QQAANxjoA00MKeXKzNgj3iiGv4a25qugzIA== X-Received: by 10.202.182.3 with SMTP id g3mr9353630oif.46.1475703835478; Wed, 05 Oct 2016 14:43:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.42.16 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Oct 2016 14:43:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <587cb6c7-44f8-4546-91ee-264416c965d6@default> <87eg3vy7jn.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <83862660-197c-4647-91a0-b8330bab231f@default> <87y423vv0z.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <423632f0-d8a1-4d8d-b86c-4b1804c5d441@default> From: Noam Postavsky Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 17:43:55 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: g6balynfplMhTvDJw3IFRN58xFQ Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Drew Adams wrote: >> Why aren't the buffer-face-* commands sufficient? > > Which part of this is unclear: "I'm OK with eliminating > `variable-pitch-mode' altogether. I don't really see > the point of a version of `buffer-face-mode' that is > limited to one face." It wasn't clear that this was a serious suggestion, since obviously "remove this feature because *I* will never use it" isn't enough to get a feature removed from Emacs. > > 2. Enhancement: Fix face `variable-pitch' so that it really > limits customization of the attributes to variable-pitch > faces. That is the only justification for a face name > that reflects particular attribute values: limit > customization for those values. Hmm, it looks like there is no way from lisp to tell if a face (or font) is variable-pitch or not. Could be something useful to have in and of itself. > > Again, the only reason to keep `variable-pitch-mode' and > face `variable-pitch' is if you feel that we really need > such things. (I do not.) Before deciding if something is really needed/wanted, we would have to see what people use the feature for. You can't provide that information since you don't use it. From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:02:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2016 16:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24594 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Noam Postavsky Cc: 24594@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Pit--Claudel Received: via spool by 24594-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24594.147577110720614 (code B ref 24594); Thu, 06 Oct 2016 16:26:02 +0000 Received: (at 24594) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2016 16:25:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46794 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bsBTn-0005MQ-J1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2016 12:25:07 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:36081) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bsBTm-0005Lt-Jh for 24594@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2016 12:25:06 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u96GP0JX018554 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Oct 2016 16:25:00 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u96GOx4u005529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Oct 2016 16:25:00 GMT Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u96GOxUc008052; Thu, 6 Oct 2016 16:24:59 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 09:24:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <587cb6c7-44f8-4546-91ee-264416c965d6@default> <87eg3vy7jn.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <83862660-197c-4647-91a0-b8330bab231f@default> <87y423vv0z.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <423632f0-d8a1-4d8d-b86c-4b1804c5d441@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) > > 2. Enhancement: Fix face `variable-pitch' so that it really > > limits customization of the attributes to variable-pitch > > faces. That is the only justification for a face name > > that reflects particular attribute values: limit > > customization for those values. >=20 > Hmm, it looks like there is no way from lisp to tell if a face (or > font) is variable-pitch or not. Could be something useful to have in > and of itself. I was thinking the same thing, but was unsure how this might be done (e.g., whether it is possible now). > > Again, the only reason to keep `variable-pitch-mode' and > > face `variable-pitch' is if you feel that we really need > > such things. (I do not.) >=20 > Before deciding if something is really needed/wanted, we would have to > see what people use the feature for. You can't provide that > information since you don't use it. Agreed. Which is why I proposed to improve it, unless someone (else) can decide that it should just be removed. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 07 15:16:08 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Dec 2016 20:16:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60124 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cEidM-0000nf-5Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:16:08 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39004) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cEidK-0000h7-Ox for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:16:06 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cEidE-00057s-W4 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:16:01 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56167) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cEidE-00057o-Sh for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:16:00 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cEidE-0006Dy-Il for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:16:00 -0500 Subject: control message for bug 24594 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:16:00 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.0 (--------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.0 (--------) tag 24594 + wontfix From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:02:22 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Drew Adams Subject: bug#24594: closed (Re: bug#24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face) Message-ID: References: X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 24594 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: moreinfo wontfix Reply-To: 24594@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 20:17:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1481141823-5744-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1481141823-5744-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding = the face which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 24594@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 24594: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D24594 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1481141823-5744-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 24594-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Dec 2016 20:16:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60121 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cEidG-0000ia-TX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:16:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38988) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cEidF-0000bI-20 for 24594-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:16:01 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cEid9-00056x-5j for 24594-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:15:55 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56166) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cEid9-00056t-2j for 24594-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:15:55 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cEid8-0006Dc-Mh; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:15:54 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 24594-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#24594: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face References: > <587cb6c7-44f8-4546-91ee-264416c965d6@default>> <83oa31q5mr.fsf@gnu.org>> <3a104ad1-ccf9-4b54-9773-e939d74aaac1@default> <83d1jhplmf.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: Centro Organized crime Home grown Help Agfa Looting X-Ran: y+l.x~\B$:"Ytw5Nyv[$b=>ega12C8]gMB7oX.Pazc4d)T"+'0k5hXLE(U18emm`B3"mUx X-Hue: yellow X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:15:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83d1jhplmf.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 03 Oct 2016 17:12:24 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.0 (--------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24594-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.0 (--------) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Of course. But why would one want to do that? It's like customizing > a color named "black" to have the same appearance as "white". > > Anyway, looks like one more of those arguments that go nowhere, so I'm > out. I can't see this leading anywhere, boldly closing. ------------=_1481141823-5744-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2016 03:22:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42391 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bqtph-00014M-85 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:22:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59028) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bqtpf-000143-5N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:22:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bqtpZ-0000Es-4u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:22:18 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:45539) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bqtpZ-0000Dx-29 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:22:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49998) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bqtpW-00059q-RW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:22:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bqtpS-0000AH-LK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:22:13 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:22564) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bqtpS-00009m-CH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 23:22:10 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u933M9P3020019 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:22:09 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u933M8hq016740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:22:09 GMT Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u933M8wV030605 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2016 03:22:08 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 20:22:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.5; `variable-pitch-mode': accept FACE arg instead of hardcoding the face X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="__14754649281325664abhmp0016.oracle.com" X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) --__14754649281325664abhmp0016.oracle.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See http://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/27527/105: the user wants to use a different face from face `variable-pitch'.=C2=A0 That seems reasonable. =C2=A0 Please consider adding an optional FACE argument, defaulting to face `variable-pitch'. =C2=A0 In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-04-11 on LEG570 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/usr --host=3Di686-pc-mingw32' =C2=A0 --__14754649281325664abhmp0016.oracle.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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