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25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing

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From: naesten <at> gmail.com
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 14:58:22 -0400

Evaluate:

  (find-file (expand-file-name "refcards/calccard.tex" data-directory))

Now search for "Copyright" in the resulting buffer.  The first occurance
is as part of the usual GPLv3 boilerplate, just a bit further into the
file than is usual.  The second occurance precees a somewhat less clear
license grant:

> \def\copyrightnotice{
> \vskip 1ex plus 2 fill\begingroup\small
> \centerline{Copyright \copyright\ \year\ Free Software Foundation, Inc.}
> \centerline{designed by Dave Gillespie and Stephen Gildea,}
> \centerline{for GNU Emacs Calc.}
>
> Permission is granted to make and distribute copies of
> this card provided the copyright notice and this permission notice
> are preserved on all copies.
>
> %For copies of the GNU Emacs Calc manual, write to the Free Software
> %Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston,
> %MA 02110-1301, USA.
> %
> \endgroup}

So, we have two license grants that'd seem to apply to this file,

 (a) the usual GPLv3-or-later boilerplate
 
 (b) a brief, custom grant that doesn't explicitly permit modification

Also note that only (b) appears on the actual card; I don't think
there's even enough room on the card to fit (a).

Its not really clear what the licensing of this file is meant to be, but
I think it would be simplest to:

 (a) drop the GPLv3 licensing on this file, or explicitly use a dual
     license/GPL exception to unambiguously permit distribution with
     just the brief grant
    
 (b) add "in modified or unmodified form" to, and possibly remove "and
     this permission notice" from, said brief grant

 (c) mention the filename "calccard.tex" so people recieving it
     out-of-context can find the source easily

(Aside: the commented-out FSF address seems kind of useless nowadays...)

In GNU Emacs 25.1.50.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32)
 of 2015-12-25
Repository revision: 9f0fd7cb1aec3eb9e2e0f7b8854c30870286d96c

Message #10 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: naesten <at> gmail.com, Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
Cc: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 13:38:56 +0300

> From: naesten <at> gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 14:58:22 -0400
> 
> 
> Evaluate:
> 
>   (find-file (expand-file-name "refcards/calccard.tex" data-directory))
> 
> Now search for "Copyright" in the resulting buffer.  The first occurance
> is as part of the usual GPLv3 boilerplate, just a bit further into the
> file than is usual.  The second occurance precees a somewhat less clear
> license grant:
> 
> > \def\copyrightnotice{
> > \vskip 1ex plus 2 fill\begingroup\small
> > \centerline{Copyright \copyright\ \year\ Free Software Foundation, Inc.}
> > \centerline{designed by Dave Gillespie and Stephen Gildea,}
> > \centerline{for GNU Emacs Calc.}
> >
> > Permission is granted to make and distribute copies of
> > this card provided the copyright notice and this permission notice
> > are preserved on all copies.
> >
> > %For copies of the GNU Emacs Calc manual, write to the Free Software
> > %Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston,
> > %MA 02110-1301, USA.
> > %
> > \endgroup}
> 
> So, we have two license grants that'd seem to apply to this file,
> 
>  (a) the usual GPLv3-or-later boilerplate
>  
>  (b) a brief, custom grant that doesn't explicitly permit modification
> 
> Also note that only (b) appears on the actual card; I don't think
> there's even enough room on the card to fit (a).
> 
> Its not really clear what the licensing of this file is meant to be, but
> I think it would be simplest to:
> 
>  (a) drop the GPLv3 licensing on this file, or explicitly use a dual
>      license/GPL exception to unambiguously permit distribution with
>      just the brief grant
>     
>  (b) add "in modified or unmodified form" to, and possibly remove "and
>      this permission notice" from, said brief grant
> 
>  (c) mention the filename "calccard.tex" so people recieving it
>      out-of-context can find the source easily
> 
> (Aside: the commented-out FSF address seems kind of useless nowadays...)

Richard, could you please tell what should be done about this issue?

TIA

Message #13 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
Cc: naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 17:07:01 +0300

Ping!  Richard, I need your guidance as to how to proceed with this
issue.

> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 13:38:56 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > From: naesten <at> gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 14:58:22 -0400
> > 
> > 
> > Evaluate:
> > 
> >   (find-file (expand-file-name "refcards/calccard.tex" data-directory))
> > 
> > Now search for "Copyright" in the resulting buffer.  The first occurance
> > is as part of the usual GPLv3 boilerplate, just a bit further into the
> > file than is usual.  The second occurance precees a somewhat less clear
> > license grant:
> > 
> > > \def\copyrightnotice{
> > > \vskip 1ex plus 2 fill\begingroup\small
> > > \centerline{Copyright \copyright\ \year\ Free Software Foundation, Inc.}
> > > \centerline{designed by Dave Gillespie and Stephen Gildea,}
> > > \centerline{for GNU Emacs Calc.}
> > >
> > > Permission is granted to make and distribute copies of
> > > this card provided the copyright notice and this permission notice
> > > are preserved on all copies.
> > >
> > > %For copies of the GNU Emacs Calc manual, write to the Free Software
> > > %Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston,
> > > %MA 02110-1301, USA.
> > > %
> > > \endgroup}
> > 
> > So, we have two license grants that'd seem to apply to this file,
> > 
> >  (a) the usual GPLv3-or-later boilerplate
> >  
> >  (b) a brief, custom grant that doesn't explicitly permit modification
> > 
> > Also note that only (b) appears on the actual card; I don't think
> > there's even enough room on the card to fit (a).
> > 
> > Its not really clear what the licensing of this file is meant to be, but
> > I think it would be simplest to:
> > 
> >  (a) drop the GPLv3 licensing on this file, or explicitly use a dual
> >      license/GPL exception to unambiguously permit distribution with
> >      just the brief grant
> >     
> >  (b) add "in modified or unmodified form" to, and possibly remove "and
> >      this permission notice" from, said brief grant
> > 
> >  (c) mention the filename "calccard.tex" so people recieving it
> >      out-of-context can find the source easily
> > 
> > (Aside: the commented-out FSF address seems kind of useless nowadays...)
> 
> Richard, could you please tell what should be done about this issue?
> 
> TIA

Message #16 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 06:40:23 -0400

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[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

Where are the refcard sources?

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President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org)
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Message #19 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 14:28:05 +0300

> From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
> CC: naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 06:40:23 -0400
> 
> Where are the refcard sources?

The file in question, calccard.tex, _is_ the source.  It can be used
to produce PDF or PostScript output.

Message #22 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 20:43:53 -0400

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The original reference card says this:

    Permission is granted to make and distribute modified or unmodified
    copies of this card provided the copyright notice and this permission
    notice are preserved on all copies.

But some other reference cards, including dired-ref.tex also,
say this:

  > > > > Permission is granted to make and distribute copies of
  > > > > this card provided the copyright notice and this permission notice
  > > > > are preserved on all copies.

Can you please look at the history of this particular text in
refcard.tex?  When has it changed?  What did it say in 1990, or in the
earliest version in version control?

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Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org)
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Message #25 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 21:43:54 -0400

Richard Stallman wrote:

> The original reference card says this:
>
>     Permission is granted to make and distribute modified or unmodified
>     copies of this card provided the copyright notice and this permission
>     notice are preserved on all copies.
>
> But some other reference cards, including dired-ref.tex also,
> say this:
>
>   > > > > Permission is granted to make and distribute copies of
>   > > > > this card provided the copyright notice and this permission notice
>   > > > > are preserved on all copies.

refcard.tex used to say what dired-ref says, until:

2007-08-22  Karl Berry  <karl <at> gnu.org>

            * refcards/refcard.tex: Updates for printing.
            (\versionyear): Update to 2007.
            (\copyrightnotice): Modify or unmodified ok.

(IMO the a,b,c suggestions in the original report are all good.)

Message #28 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:51:10 -0400

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  > > Where are the refcard sources?

  > The file in question, calccard.tex, _is_ the source.  It can be used
  > to produce PDF or PostScript output.

I meant, where in the source tree.  I needed to compare this with
others.

But I found them on my own.


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Message #31 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: eliz <at> gnu.org, naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, rms <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:54:43 -0400

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
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Practically speaking, the only thing you can easily do with the TeX
output is make exact copies.  If you want to make modified versions,
the feasible way is to use the source.  The source carries a free
license, so you are allowed to do that.

As for what to say on the binaries, there are three issues:

* We don't have room to include a usual GPL notice, let 
alone the GPL itself.

* We don't want to permit modified versions without the requirements
of the GPL.  Thus, the change in 2007 was not correct.

* We need to reconcile this with the GPL.

Perhaps what we need is (1) an additional permission saying that
reference cards printed, or formatted for printing, may be distributed
with the notice "Released under the terms of the GNU General Public
License version 3 or later" and a copyright notice, without the usual
GPL notice and without a copy of the GPL itself.

What do you think of that?

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org)
Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.

Message #34 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: eliz <at> gnu.org, naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:10:59 -0400

Richard Stallman wrote:

> As for what to say on the binaries, there are three issues:
>
> * We don't have room to include a usual GPL notice, let 
> alone the GPL itself.
>
> * We don't want to permit modified versions without the requirements
> of the GPL.  Thus, the change in 2007 was not correct.
>
> * We need to reconcile this with the GPL.
>
> Perhaps what we need is (1) an additional permission saying that
> reference cards printed, or formatted for printing, may be distributed
> with the notice "Released under the terms of the GNU General Public
> License version 3 or later" and a copyright notice, without the usual
> GPL notice and without a copy of the GPL itself.
>
> What do you think of that?

It seems odd to me to want to apply the GPL to the pdf refcards.
My own take is that the "this is part of Emacs" GPL blurb in the tex source
should be removed, for clarity.

These are the printed refcards as sold by the FSF store.
Karl's 2007 change was (I infer) to sync the source in Emacs with the
printed, sold refcards, which have never mentioned the GPL (I assume, I
can't find an image of them as-sold). His ChangeLog entry originally
said: "updates for printing per johns", before he edited it.
So I assume he made his changes for good reason.

Message #37 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: naesten <at> gmail.com, rms <at> gnu.org, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 20:26:51 +0300

> From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: eliz <at> gnu.org,  naesten <at> gmail.com,  24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:10:59 -0400
> 
> These are the printed refcards as sold by the FSF store.
> Karl's 2007 change was (I infer) to sync the source in Emacs with the
> printed, sold refcards, which have never mentioned the GPL (I assume, I
> can't find an image of them as-sold).

I have it printed on my Emacs coffee mug (sold by the FSF), so I can
cite what it says, if that would help.

Message #40 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 16:14:24 +0300

> From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: eliz <at> gnu.org,  naesten <at> gmail.com,  24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:10:59 -0400
> 
> Richard Stallman wrote:
> 
> > As for what to say on the binaries, there are three issues:
> >
> > * We don't have room to include a usual GPL notice, let 
> > alone the GPL itself.
> >
> > * We don't want to permit modified versions without the requirements
> > of the GPL.  Thus, the change in 2007 was not correct.
> >
> > * We need to reconcile this with the GPL.
> >
> > Perhaps what we need is (1) an additional permission saying that
> > reference cards printed, or formatted for printing, may be distributed
> > with the notice "Released under the terms of the GNU General Public
> > License version 3 or later" and a copyright notice, without the usual
> > GPL notice and without a copy of the GPL itself.
> >
> > What do you think of that?
> 
> It seems odd to me to want to apply the GPL to the pdf refcards.
> My own take is that the "this is part of Emacs" GPL blurb in the tex source
> should be removed, for clarity.
> 
> These are the printed refcards as sold by the FSF store.
> Karl's 2007 change was (I infer) to sync the source in Emacs with the
> printed, sold refcards, which have never mentioned the GPL (I assume, I
> can't find an image of them as-sold). His ChangeLog entry originally
> said: "updates for printing per johns", before he edited it.
> So I assume he made his changes for good reason.

Richard, what is the final word on this matter?  I'd like to resolve
the bug report, as it is listed as blocking the next Emacs release.

Thanks.

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From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 20:26:08 -0400

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  > > My own take is that the "this is part of Emacs" GPL blurb in the tex source
  > > should be removed, for clarity.

I agree it should not say the words "this is part of GNU Emacs".

  > > > Perhaps what we need is (1) an additional permission saying that
  > > > reference cards printed, or formatted for printing, may be distributed
  > > > with the notice "Released under the terms of the GNU General Public
  > > > License version 3 or later" and a copyright notice, without the usual
  > > > GPL notice and without a copy of the GPL itself.

I think this is what we should do, in the refcard source.  How about
this text?

As a special additional permission, you may distribute reference cards
printed, or formatted for printing, with the notice "Released under
the terms of the GNU General Public License version 3 or later"
instead of the usual distributed-under-the-GNU-GPL notice, and without
a copy of the GPL itself.

Then change the notice used in the formated file
to say that.

-- 
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President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org)
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Message #46 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:06:48 +0300

> From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
> CC: rgm <at> gnu.org, naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 20:26:08 -0400
> 
>   > > My own take is that the "this is part of Emacs" GPL blurb in the tex source
>   > > should be removed, for clarity.
> 
> I agree it should not say the words "this is part of GNU Emacs".
> 
>   > > > Perhaps what we need is (1) an additional permission saying that
>   > > > reference cards printed, or formatted for printing, may be distributed
>   > > > with the notice "Released under the terms of the GNU General Public
>   > > > License version 3 or later" and a copyright notice, without the usual
>   > > > GPL notice and without a copy of the GPL itself.
> 
> I think this is what we should do, in the refcard source.  How about
> this text?
> 
> As a special additional permission, you may distribute reference cards
> printed, or formatted for printing, with the notice "Released under
> the terms of the GNU General Public License version 3 or later"
> instead of the usual distributed-under-the-GNU-GPL notice, and without
> a copy of the GPL itself.

Is the patch below what you had in mind?  (I'm unsure whether you
meant to put the above text in the TeX source as a comment or as part
of the Copyright notice group; I did the latter.)

> Then change the notice used in the formated file
> to say that.

I don't understand what that means in practice.  Wouldn't processing
the TeX sources do that automatically?

diff --git a/etc/refcards/calccard.tex b/etc/refcards/calccard.tex
index 5ca8207..0874de7 100644
--- a/etc/refcards/calccard.tex
+++ b/etc/refcards/calccard.tex
@@ -20,23 +20,6 @@
 % Typical command to format:  tex calccard.tex
 % Typical command to print (3 cols):  dvips -t landscape calccard.dvi
 
-% Copyright (C) 1987, 1992, 2001-2016 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
-
-% This file is part of GNU Emacs.
-
-% GNU Emacs is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
-% it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
-% the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
-% (at your option) any later version.
-
-% GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
-% but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
-% MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
-% GNU General Public License for more details.
-
-% You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
-% along with GNU Emacs.  If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.
-
 % This file is intended to be processed by plain TeX (TeX82).
 %
 % The final reference card has six columns, three on each side.
@@ -79,6 +62,12 @@
 this card provided the copyright notice and this permission notice
 are preserved on all copies.
 
+As a special additional permission, you may distribute reference cards
+printed, or formatted for printing, with the notice "Released under
+the terms of the GNU General Public License version 3 or later"
+instead of the usual distributed-under-the-GNU-GPL notice, and without
+a copy of the GPL itself.
+
 %For copies of the GNU Emacs Calc manual, write to the Free Software
 %Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston,
 %MA 02110-1301, USA.

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From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, naesten <at> gmail.com, rms <at> gnu.org, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 12:38:13 -0400

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  > -% Copyright (C) 1987, 1992, 2001-2016 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
  > -
  > -% This file is part of GNU Emacs.
  > -
  > -% GNU Emacs is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
  > -% it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
  > -% the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
  > -% (at your option) any later version.
  > -
  > -% GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
  > -% but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
  > -% MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
  > -% GNU General Public License for more details.
  > -
  > -% You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
  > -% along with GNU Emacs.  If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.
  > -

Don't delete that!  That is the license notice for the source file;
it is required.

    +As a special additional permission, you may distribute reference cards
    +printed, or formatted for printing, with the notice "Released under
    +the terms of the GNU General Public License version 3 or later"
    +instead of the usual distributed-under-the-GNU-GPL notice, and without
    +a copy of the GPL itself.

That is additional permission for using the material in the source
file.  Thus, the right place to add paragraph is INSIDE the license
notice for the source file.  After these two lines.

  > -% the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
  > -% (at your option) any later version.

One other change is needed: to change the TeX code so that
it puts this new notice

   Released under the terms of the GNU General Public License version
   3 or later.

into the output _instead of_ the notice it uses now (which is what
follows):

    Permission is granted to make and distribute copies of
    this card provided the copyright notice and this permission notice
    are preserved on all copies.

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Message #52 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 00:54:51 +0300

> From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
> CC: rgm <at> gnu.org, naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> cc: rms <at> gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 12:38:13 -0400
> 
>   > -% Copyright (C) 1987, 1992, 2001-2016 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
>   > -
>   > -% This file is part of GNU Emacs.
>   > -
>   > -% GNU Emacs is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
>   > -% it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
>   > -% the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
>   > -% (at your option) any later version.
>   > -
>   > -% GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
>   > -% but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
>   > -% MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
>   > -% GNU General Public License for more details.
>   > -
>   > -% You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
>   > -% along with GNU Emacs.  If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.
>   > -
> 
> Don't delete that!  That is the license notice for the source file;
> it is required.

I'm confused: you said in your previous message:

>   > > My own take is that the "this is part of Emacs" GPL blurb in the tex source
>   > > should be removed, for clarity.
> 
> I agree it should not say the words "this is part of GNU Emacs".

There's no other "this is part of GNU Emacs" in the file, so what did
you mean by that?

>     +As a special additional permission, you may distribute reference cards
>     +printed, or formatted for printing, with the notice "Released under
>     +the terms of the GNU General Public License version 3 or later"
>     +instead of the usual distributed-under-the-GNU-GPL notice, and without
>     +a copy of the GPL itself.
> 
> That is additional permission for using the material in the source
> file.  Thus, the right place to add paragraph is INSIDE the license
> notice for the source file.  After these two lines.
> 
>   > -% the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
>   > -% (at your option) any later version.
> 
> One other change is needed: to change the TeX code so that
> it puts this new notice
> 
>    Released under the terms of the GNU General Public License version
>    3 or later.
> 
> into the output _instead of_ the notice it uses now (which is what
> follows):
> 
>     Permission is granted to make and distribute copies of
>     this card provided the copyright notice and this permission notice
>     are preserved on all copies.

Maybe you could simply send a patch I should install, instead of
trying to explain to me how to do something that you evidently have a
much clearer idea of than I do?

Thanks.

Message #55 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 15:18:37 -0400

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Here's the diff that is needed for calccard.tex.

The other reference cards should be handled like this one.
Can you take care of that?


diff -u /home/rms/emacs-git/build-jun-5/etc/refcards/calccard.tex.\~1\~ /home/rms/emacs-git/build-jun-5/etc/refcards/calccard.tex
--- /home/rms/emacs-git/build-jun-5/etc/refcards/calccard.tex.~1~	2016-06-05 14:08:00.902799078 -0400
+++ /home/rms/emacs-git/build-jun-5/etc/refcards/calccard.tex	2016-10-30 21:41:12.577638997 -0400
@@ -22,13 +22,17 @@
 
 % Copyright (C) 1987, 1992, 2001-2016 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
 
-% This file is part of GNU Emacs.
-
 % GNU Emacs is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
 % it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
 % the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
 % (at your option) any later version.
 
+% As a special additional permission, you may distribute reference cards
+% printed, or formatted for printing, with the notice "Released under
+% the terms of the GNU General Public License version 3 or later"
+% instead of the usual distributed-under-the-GNU-GPL notice, and without
+% a copy of the GPL itself.
+
 % GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
 % but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
 % MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
@@ -75,9 +79,7 @@
 \centerline{designed by Dave Gillespie and Stephen Gildea,}
 \centerline{for GNU Emacs Calc.}
 
-Permission is granted to make and distribute copies of
-this card provided the copyright notice and this permission notice
-are preserved on all copies.
+Released under the terms of the GNU General Public License version 3 or later.
 
 %For copies of the GNU Emacs Calc manual, write to the Free Software
 %Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston,

Diff finished.  Sun Oct 30 21:43:25 2016

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Message #58 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 18:37:30 +0200

> From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
> CC: rgm <at> gnu.org, naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 15:18:37 -0400
> 
> Here's the diff that is needed for calccard.tex.
> 
> The other reference cards should be handled like this one.

Thanks.

> Can you take care of that?

Yes.

There's one issue I'm unsure about, though: some of the refcards have
this to-be-deleted text:

  -Permission is granted to make and distribute copies of
  -this card provided the copyright notice and this permission notice
  -are preserved on all copies.

translated into the language of the refcard.  Should I insert the
replacement text in English, or should it be translated?  Most of
those languages I can only translate using Google Translate.

Message #61 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 21:24:06 -0400

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

  > translated into the language of the refcard.  Should I insert the
  > replacement text in English, or should it be translated?  Most of
  > those languages I can only translate using Google Translate.

If it was translated before, it needs to be translated now.
What languages are those?  Can you show me those texts?

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Message #64 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 20:10:47 +0200

> From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
> CC: rgm <at> gnu.org, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 21:24:06 -0400
> 
>   > translated into the language of the refcard.  Should I insert the
>   > replacement text in English, or should it be translated?  Most of
>   > those languages I can only translate using Google Translate.
> 
> If it was translated before, it needs to be translated now.
> What languages are those?  Can you show me those texts?

cs-survival.tex (Czech):

    Kopie tohoto dokumentu můžete vytvářet a šířit
    za předpokladu, že budou obsahovat tuto poznámku
    o autorských právech.\par}}

de-refcard.tex (German):

   Es ist gestattet, ver\"anderte und unver\"anderte Kopien dieser
   Karte her\-zu\-stellen und zu verbreiten, vorausgesetzt dass sich
   der Copyright-Hinweis und der Hinweis auf diese Erlaubnis auf allen
   Kopien befinden.

fr-dired-ref.tex (French):

   Vous pouvez faire et distribuer des copies de cette carte, pourvu que
   la notice de copyright et cette note de permission soient pr\'eserv\'ees
   sur toutes les copies.

fr-refcard.tex (French):

   Vous pouvez faire et distribuer des copies de cette carte, modifi\'ee ou
   non, pourvu que la note de copyright et cette note de permission
   soient conserv\'ees sur toutes les copies.

fr-survival.tex (French):

    Vous pouvez faire et distribuer des copies de cette carte, pourvu
    que la note de copyright, ainsi que cette notice soient
    pr\'eserv\'ees sur toutes les copies.\par}}

sk-survival.tex (Slovak):

    Kópie tohto dokumentu môžete vytvárať a šíriť
    za predpokladu, že budú obsahovať túto poznámku
    o autorských právach.\par}}

Message #67 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 09:52:33 +0200

> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 20:10:47 +0200
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
> > CC: rgm <at> gnu.org, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 21:24:06 -0400
> > 
> >   > translated into the language of the refcard.  Should I insert the
> >   > replacement text in English, or should it be translated?  Most of
> >   > those languages I can only translate using Google Translate.
> > 
> > If it was translated before, it needs to be translated now.
> > What languages are those?  Can you show me those texts?
> 
> cs-survival.tex (Czech):
> 
>     Kopie tohoto dokumentu můžete vytvářet a šířit
>     za předpokladu, že budou obsahovat tuto poznámku
>     o autorských právech.\par}}
> 
> de-refcard.tex (German):
> 
>    Es ist gestattet, ver\"anderte und unver\"anderte Kopien dieser
>    Karte her\-zu\-stellen und zu verbreiten, vorausgesetzt dass sich
>    der Copyright-Hinweis und der Hinweis auf diese Erlaubnis auf allen
>    Kopien befinden.
> 
> fr-dired-ref.tex (French):
> 
>    Vous pouvez faire et distribuer des copies de cette carte, pourvu que
>    la notice de copyright et cette note de permission soient pr\'eserv\'ees
>    sur toutes les copies.
> 
> fr-refcard.tex (French):
> 
>    Vous pouvez faire et distribuer des copies de cette carte, modifi\'ee ou
>    non, pourvu que la note de copyright et cette note de permission
>    soient conserv\'ees sur toutes les copies.
> 
> fr-survival.tex (French):
> 
>     Vous pouvez faire et distribuer des copies de cette carte, pourvu
>     que la note de copyright, ainsi que cette notice soient
>     pr\'eserv\'ees sur toutes les copies.\par}}
> 
> sk-survival.tex (Slovak):
> 
>     Kópie tohto dokumentu môžete vytvárať a šíriť
>     za predpokladu, že budú obsahovať túto poznámku
>     o autorských právach.\par}}

Ping!  I'm waiting for instructions about these translated chunks of
text.

One possibility would be to replace these with the English text, as I
did for the refcards written in English, and let the translators to
translate this in their free time.  Some non-English refcards didn't
bother translating this stuff, so I guess it's okay in general.

Should I do that?

Message #70 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 17:28:23 -0500

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[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

  > Ping!  I'm waiting for instructions about these translated chunks of
  > text.

Sorry, I thought I had responded.

  > One possibility would be to replace these with the English text, as I
  > did for the refcards written in English, and let the translators to
  > translate this in their free time.

Please do that.

					Some non-English refcards didn't
  > bother translating this stuff, so I guess it's okay in general.

I didn't know that.

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Message #75 received at 24520-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: 24520-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:23:44 +0200

> From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
> CC: 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 17:28:23 -0500
> 
>   > One possibility would be to replace these with the English text, as I
>   > did for the refcards written in English, and let the translators to
>   > translate this in their free time.
> 
> Please do that.

Thanks, done, and I'm closing this bug report.

Message #78 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: eliz <at> gnu.org, naesten <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:56:37 -0500

1) Following from the removal of "This file is part of GNU Emacs.",
I suggest s/GNU Emacs/This document/ (or "This reference card") in the
rest of the permission notice.

2) IMO there were good suggestions in the original report that still apply:

   a) mention the filename "calccard.tex" so people receiving it
      out-of-context can find the source easily

   b) the commented-out FSF address seems kind of useless nowadays...

Message #81 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:41:06 +0200

> From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: eliz <at> gnu.org,  naesten <at> gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:56:37 -0500
> 
> 
> 1) Following from the removal of "This file is part of GNU Emacs.",
> I suggest s/GNU Emacs/This document/ (or "This reference card") in the
> rest of the permission notice.

I don't understand why should we treat these files differently from
any other file in the tree.  They all speak about "GNU Emacs".

>    a) mention the filename "calccard.tex" so people receiving it
>       out-of-context can find the source easily

The name of the file is already mentioned.

>    b) the commented-out FSF address seems kind of useless nowadays...

Again, how is this different from other files?

Message #84 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 19:25:29 -0500

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

  > 1) Following from the removal of "This file is part of GNU Emacs.",
  > I suggest s/GNU Emacs/This document/ (or "This reference card") in the
  > rest of the permission notice.

Yes, thanks.

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Message #87 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 19:29:25 -0500

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

  > I don't understand why should we treat these files differently from
  > any other file in the tree.  They all speak about "GNU Emacs".

The reason it seems good to me to change those words for the refcards
is that the license exception, and the way the tex output files
are handled, is quite different from what we permit for GNU Emacs itself.

I think the situation will be clearer if we don't say these are
"part of GNU Emacs."

-- 
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Message #90 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:02:26 +0200

> From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
> CC: rgm <at> gnu.org, naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 19:29:25 -0500
> 
>   > I don't understand why should we treat these files differently from
>   > any other file in the tree.  They all speak about "GNU Emacs".
> 
> The reason it seems good to me to change those words for the refcards
> is that the license exception, and the way the tex output files
> are handled, is quite different from what we permit for GNU Emacs itself.
> 
> I think the situation will be clearer if we don't say these are
> "part of GNU Emacs."

OK, done.

Message #93 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:04:04 -0500

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

Thanks.

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Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org)
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Message #96 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 02:28:41 -0500

Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>>    a) mention the filename "calccard.tex" so people receiving it
>>       out-of-context can find the source easily
>
> The name of the file is already mentioned.

See 4af5981d

>>    b) the commented-out FSF address seems kind of useless nowadays...
>
> Again, how is this different from other files?

See ef880a5


BTW, the anchor http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/#Manuals,
cited in many refcards, doesn't exist any more.

Message #99 received at 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: naesten <at> gmail.com, 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24520: 25.1.50; calccard.tex has somewhat unclear licensing
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:32:38 +0200

> From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: 24520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,  naesten <at> gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 02:28:41 -0500
> 
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> 
> >>    a) mention the filename "calccard.tex" so people receiving it
> >>       out-of-context can find the source easily
> >
> > The name of the file is already mentioned.
> 
> See 4af5981d

Thanks.

> BTW, the anchor http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/#Manuals,
> cited in many refcards, doesn't exist any more.

How about updating that?

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