From unknown Tue Aug 19 23:15:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24369: Docu of prefix-numeric-value Resent-From: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 07:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 24369 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 24369@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.147306158932396 (code B ref -1); Mon, 05 Sep 2016 07:47:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Sep 2016 07:46:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50046 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgobs-0008QR-OI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 03:46:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47034) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgobr-0008QG-Gt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 03:46:27 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bgobh-0002z8-GC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 03:46:22 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:45574) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bgobh-0002yx-D4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 03:46:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37966) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bgobc-00023O-8F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 03:46:16 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bgobW-0002xy-7s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 03:46:11 -0400 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.135]:51900) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bgobV-0002xu-Ta for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 03:46:06 -0400 Received: from [192.168.178.35] ([77.12.2.64]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Ldhgp-1bGnF23bk3-00j0R9 for ; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 09:46:03 +0200 From: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Message-ID: <2a6635c0-e538-ad1b-4308-a3311a36f59a@easy-emacs.de> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 09:52:35 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:uecZHM827PEkW16yGzlJ/XwQBepa8aarnLYrKXGHojMQzsVrKNF MJ9QjrhOyRXhPufK/KTonSg/GV0spY9p6j6Cq0s54D7gL2HtnJAVq4PmHtuRJa5wPbZ9/mC hGjreResB/lE82HJ7yk58ih2ZueVH6N6EFlQJt8QemVhEbSHDikr/XtJJb4n8qunlw2BNGX fkREwNvIoQtUq24WLk6kw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:JSpcUQm37oQ=:c0lmI8WgS0CpjHLPqKBtGq ndQUJGJSW7MQhUI7D5UG5U7K05OpIr+Cky5ykpyCQr6sPk51y79ocID4RKckuzqkVp1pSZ/9B y4BxcttlsFvptu+d4JOBL3Pro8oTQGwgbgOBUk8SWqFx3vuKRs9iWhKQtJT4uRcQGeLkTbtTQ aT2ZMUmBtLm9356CkQp7gLp7HG13uZr6MrT7pc0qbGP8BqhI1Na5rCdFHw7DGZLySCdZRvU59 hQu8tPo8VqhrslTKHFKEQ1qKtnY9wQGgO63DiB6TXYaECOqZVRXm+zUuDw5JuP6OJ6J0cJhcM O1MDbRdt6RVYSid/KHPnm4v4z0Pn7tGEw4+jjXGDEwbNFFTJ5RcO5qthALRgP5hrfGnOQxrez k4WWrqC/RnHAVEXpOIkZfosyPfCuS5+q0oQEdwJpRXQVpb7tdXZOf4GccY9owezNdvgtRkIzp ml6nkC8k+AjbRaSvs/JE3rSSzSSdX12JlrSv9GUnxD8GCynlg/EL3nQfd2r1wiizQURtE0H5A qVLazpoM5K826zKys5ZbguR9gqaiWhmV/QpXKhZibuI9pmiHQ9/mnYZesVU37XPCG122feniu AawyV/YYcaRfn/OOmz3WUYRmt7OT6SyWj+ogGOu/mzlAQfDnnndztl9/4IYe6YHHNY7GkZ1TQ xmYyMglehvlG6kY3oOCBzsG8J6J9HWwZWVcxkK8hpcXkTu5KRTIZste9qkHBE2KZbUHaQWU7l jqgO+/udMh9NdHO7 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) See recent question at http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2016-09/msg00018.html Please add some explanation WRT treatment of the nil-argument. Also WRT C-u Thanks! From unknown Tue Aug 19 23:15:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24369: Docu of prefix-numeric-value Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 15:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24369 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= , 24369@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 24369-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24369.147309104119732 (code B ref 24369); Mon, 05 Sep 2016 15:58:02 +0000 Received: (at 24369) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Sep 2016 15:57:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50525 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgwGv-00058B-EY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 11:57:21 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:50638) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgwGt-00057t-Bf for 24369@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 11:57:20 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u85FvBtl003416 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Sep 2016 15:57:12 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u85Fv7du007923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Sep 2016 15:57:08 GMT Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u85Fv5Cc025911; Mon, 5 Sep 2016 15:57:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <93121a7b-21c7-4174-a295-052f18fde722@default> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 08:57:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <2a6635c0-e538-ad1b-4308-a3311a36f59a@easy-emacs.de> In-Reply-To: <2a6635c0-e538-ad1b-4308-a3311a36f59a@easy-emacs.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) > See recent question at > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2016-09/msg00018.html >=20 > Please add some explanation WRT treatment of the nil-argument. > Also WRT C-u What "treatment" are you asking to be explained? Just what do you think is missing? From unknown Tue Aug 19 23:15:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24369: Docu of prefix-numeric-value Resent-From: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 17:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24369 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams , 24369@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 24369-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24369.147309708731946 (code B ref 24369); Mon, 05 Sep 2016 17:39:01 +0000 Received: (at 24369) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Sep 2016 17:38:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50584 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgxqR-0008JC-KP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:38:07 -0400 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.134]:65018) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgxqP-0008Ig-2O for 24369@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:38:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.178.35] ([77.12.2.64]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LiKia-1b4Jhu2Y0K-00clUE; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 19:37:54 +0200 References: <2a6635c0-e538-ad1b-4308-a3311a36f59a@easy-emacs.de> <93121a7b-21c7-4174-a295-052f18fde722@default> From: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Message-ID: <9cd42ba9-014d-91be-24a4-0077c4e85ac4@easy-emacs.de> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 19:44:28 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <93121a7b-21c7-4174-a295-052f18fde722@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:qCay28VYb82zYh3SAlhK9vmdVPAf3CAj9uTTApVU31L3OxBFNx/ JPXOah26DQg7Bm7z2m9FbXbeh4ObnHk64vicsokRPbzfZhFCCGWcc5Q+Fjz5o2fVos4BQ7p Gpc8Eeu2qGqk/Vj9462zs5n4eFQgU/xxCwjTVPGD3tiucY2Xsp7QTp4OLTElQuZvVh/zFf/ A1Y0K7AYgAXRVYGPp1pig== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:P0+E9YXOvlI=:uJWNP/JV/VNX1ePa719edY uShVIfiF0N+WGVRDhBlNTFKsvSOEenSJyNz1jfAApicurgvG0KDSKJZN3ELZCIdORIHKpxRqh fzf/cHd74rBWaHLm+ptdJcU0gqGZ5+LnLb1xNDr21Bk+iD607RRxwbNF6rCIJgxN4nACl38uu /AiyNE06wIaC0tPDqTGeWK38lA7qX4wlRFpk14ZKyO8tij7E7wNrkHOnOjTA9pta7VpiEYuM8 YZOpzZ1JS0aK6bldjMUI5wEgvW0+pWl92udllqq63HXu6PfNYnUuIHJBcknM0HPgsWpcmGx4A 8o3jjxrEL1kkiKkWUDUJqy4ub4mIcr8kkUyFqS3K+LpWwrRfE9Tix7Ur4YWpwC0khBivSWQD3 r58mYV8m7DYPj4fUlXKwsWdDxCvh+Vvi0SN1z4HdbQff9t7IWii8gI+quAt1AGXFtWrGioyMA k8YUqc03+IdurQJe2nTIXfvWZlOZLpz7fXn7dtnbwTnevuNDyTdHcyLydVEap39N2rGSrfuul GKZO7I3r0ZuOp9OSHWV0w6wuqggxFGNneS0V349shFD6ydVJOyYa+4k+ZJ1sPq07xZNQ+2ivj TTc4A2uAiH+nPcPVhK0lGvFbi3vhGnH6IjMH3zLzZ9EDCBTH4ubv8jTp5tcha0oq+8pigdf2t vAKBvC++96jMYAlSyaGklV6KeB7cBDxJ0uydSosPPC7ewPwnYcBGEEIBlU/is6guhzM0KgRZ1 krTecufU1r9xBn6A X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) On 05.09.2016 17:57, Drew Adams wrote: >> See recent question at >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2016-09/msg00018.html >> >> Please add some explanation WRT treatment of the nil-argument. >> Also WRT C-u > What "treatment" are you asking to be explained? > Just what do you think is missing? Elisp Info 20.2.2 Code Characters for ‘interactive’ ---------------------------------------- p’ The numeric prefix argument User will expect the argument received by function being consistent with input, i.e. M-x 2 foo... sends 2, M-x 1 foo ... sends 1. From there omitting an argument will be expected to send nothing - which isn't the case. Likewise with uppecase P. From unknown Tue Aug 19 23:15:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24369: Docu of prefix-numeric-value Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 17:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24369 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= , 24369@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 24369-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24369.147309757632720 (code B ref 24369); Mon, 05 Sep 2016 17:47:02 +0000 Received: (at 24369) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Sep 2016 17:46:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50588 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgxyK-0008Vg-FQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:46:16 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:43290) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgxyJ-0008VU-F1 for 24369@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:46:16 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u85Hk8dr025585 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:46:09 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u85Hk8XW016459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:46:08 GMT Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u85Hk73C016562; Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:46:07 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <792cdfef-3836-4483-8ff7-fe7f6377774e@default> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 10:46:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <2a6635c0-e538-ad1b-4308-a3311a36f59a@easy-emacs.de> <93121a7b-21c7-4174-a295-052f18fde722@default> <9cd42ba9-014d-91be-24a4-0077c4e85ac4@easy-emacs.de> In-Reply-To: <9cd42ba9-014d-91be-24a4-0077c4e85ac4@easy-emacs.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) > > What "treatment" are you asking to be explained? > > Just what do you think is missing? >=20 > Elisp Info 20.2.2 Code Characters for =E2=80=98interactive=E2=80=99 > ---------------------------------------- >=20 > p The numeric prefix argument >=20 > Likewise with uppecase P. Again, what do you think is missing? `p' is the numeric prefix argument. `P' is the raw prefix argument. This is not the Elisp manual node that describes WHAT these things are. But there is a link here to the node that does that, node `Prefix Command Arguments' http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Prefix-Command-Arg= uments.html And that's the case even in the Emacs 20 version of the manual, which you cited. > User will expect the argument received by function being consistent with > input, i.e. M-x 2 foo... sends 2, M-x 1 foo ... sends 1. From there > omitting an argument will be expected to send nothing - which isn't the > case. Why on Earth would the user expect that, simply from reading that `interactive' code `p' returns the numeric prefix argument and `P' returns the raw prefix argument? From unknown Tue Aug 19 23:15:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24369: Docu of prefix-numeric-value Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 17:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24369 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Cc: 24369@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 24369-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24369.14730982691299 (code B ref 24369); Mon, 05 Sep 2016 17:58:02 +0000 Received: (at 24369) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Sep 2016 17:57:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50596 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgy9U-0000Kt-QR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:57:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42060) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgy9S-0000Kh-Us for 24369@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:57:47 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bgy9I-0005FD-Vx for 24369@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:57:41 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42825) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bgy9I-0005F9-Sh; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:57:36 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3447 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bgy9F-0004cy-Vp; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:57:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 20:57:31 +0300 Message-Id: <83wpiqb56c.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <9cd42ba9-014d-91be-24a4-0077c4e85ac4@easy-emacs.de> (message from Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= on Mon, 5 Sep 2016 19:44:28 +0200) References: <2a6635c0-e538-ad1b-4308-a3311a36f59a@easy-emacs.de> <93121a7b-21c7-4174-a295-052f18fde722@default> <9cd42ba9-014d-91be-24a4-0077c4e85ac4@easy-emacs.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.7 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.7 (------) > From: Andreas Röhler > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 19:44:28 +0200 > > >> Please add some explanation WRT treatment of the nil-argument. > >> Also WRT C-u > > What "treatment" are you asking to be explained? > > Just what do you think is missing? > > Elisp Info 20.2.2 Code Characters for ‘interactive’ > ---------------------------------------- > > p’ > The numeric prefix argument > > User will expect the argument received by function being consistent with > input, i.e. M-x 2 foo... sends 2, M-x 1 foo ... sends 1. From there > omitting an argument will be expected to send nothing - which isn't the > case. There's more in the manual than just that one paragraph. ELisp manual 20.12 Prefix Command Arguments: ------------------------------------------- There are two representations of the prefix argument: “raw” and “numeric”. The editor command loop uses the raw representation internally, and so do the Lisp variables that store the information, but commands can request either representation. Here are the possible values of a raw prefix argument: • ‘nil’, meaning there is no prefix argument. Its numeric value is 1, but numerous commands make a distinction between ‘nil’ and the integer 1. ... -- Function: prefix-numeric-value arg This function returns the numeric meaning of a valid raw prefix argument value, ARG. The argument may be a symbol, a number, or a list. If it is ‘nil’, the value 1 is returned; if it is ‘-’, the value −1 is returned; if it is a number, that number is returned; if it is a list, the CAR of that list (which should be a number) is returned. From unknown Tue Aug 19 23:15:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24369: Docu of prefix-numeric-value Resent-From: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 18:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24369 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 24369@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Received: via spool by 24369-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24369.14731000704331 (code B ref 24369); Mon, 05 Sep 2016 18:28:01 +0000 Received: (at 24369) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Sep 2016 18:27:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50610 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgycY-00017n-OM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 14:27:50 -0400 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.130]:59320) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgycW-00017Z-Pn for 24369@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 14:27:49 -0400 Received: from [192.168.178.35] ([77.12.2.64]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lpis6-1bBToN2l7u-00fWI1; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 20:26:49 +0200 References: <2a6635c0-e538-ad1b-4308-a3311a36f59a@easy-emacs.de> <93121a7b-21c7-4174-a295-052f18fde722@default> <9cd42ba9-014d-91be-24a4-0077c4e85ac4@easy-emacs.de> <83wpiqb56c.fsf@gnu.org> From: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:33:21 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83wpiqb56c.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Rf/43JKAM7NUNUySq1gllECagxTP8kTO1HSEiuLvShYKk3CeVyr uhnaUZ7AzepSKdXVa3dFbtPImmCikcVV/EvyPOsKg3FLbhu3T+Y41PVKYLzCuSNiieiIYhX DHMNz0w8XUO2wnKcvds5A+LiKKn27THZfkNh+Drx/I1V6YvSiF2iSvgCjSt+egzTBWHNe5f gB6tARAuyT+yTS8mke9cA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:VZbAqAYM3Lc=:KLhpHogGdQpj2Ulrdme0GI cY4LkQrwih+pqB5ecM9FFDDy9euAkyf7wsDSAV2TDZk7uYzebRrWy/3uYS4ib13B4NXNC0TVc Pe9JHpJzs89A0Erdr7hDdHaYEXY9vhQkNuEF+4Ax7uCbCW2jw298Z7tbP18RnozTlYXvjchdY 1BALxX2H44aAcPF0yLrqWgFKDKrdO4NFC72QwlUDasiPZH8m7a6t8yVZbjqKjpKjQsN1UQybP sPOC5sL69cfw+EOhYMQTDQeW96zSSaQZiQO3pNZ4cfg8ApghN2BpBSsv6Fsv98Dd7sy/veZp7 fw6KTL7AWIokS7Ve6tuj05per9dcja8gjXDR5Kk9b09CVKRKS9QcT57160P0QM95nirjg8pZY duGYdVC2bRA7k9H0x9GLm4nEIIFfuLNq6EceqmKIv8CBOmo0nvp3ZjmGz5Qh7k0Kuai1Ms5jv bz7iiTDG343HWa3InjzAxxzK0SbifwKl+vKXVnMWJje1G/8omHeipKH3f1qEVm1Fxzo6aIWm0 Gn2IignamQk9FwTz+Q4+vI0mDYVfvvQ69XRCID4d/iCIEK1hlcE1QdZ7wb48qJoEK6/V1F+uF KyGkXcEk1JwpE+/D8CkLk8xtdAgQoCu3sMfZsUY20u5py5O4Rj7W6R40s7DrnrOt82hcY7pvF psOp5Hy+MwJy2C6PXL1UriJOF2rYFUoES08P3dIi43hier+UdD8ewwr28G27YL6Di8YbUMN8s fl3vzNjiW3k3G1Ja X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 05.09.2016 19:57, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Here are the possible values of a raw prefix argument: > > =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=A2_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99,?= meaning there is no prefix argument. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 05.09.2016 19:57, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Here are the possible values of a raw prefix argument: > > =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=A2_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99,?= meaning there is no prefix argument. Its numeric value is > 1, That's the point: [...] Content analysis details: (2.4 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [212.227.126.130 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 2.4 RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM RBL: SORBS: sender is a spam source [212.227.126.130 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.126.130 listed in list.dnswl.org] On 05.09.2016 19:57, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Here are the possible values of a raw prefix argument: > > • ‘nil’, meaning there is no prefix argument. Its numeric value is > 1, That's the point: Value of nil is 1 Value of 1 is 1 But he value of 2 is 2 Consistency means something different. From unknown Tue Aug 19 23:15:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24369: Docu of prefix-numeric-value Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 18:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24369 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Cc: 24369@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 24369-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24369.147310189513413 (code B ref 24369); Mon, 05 Sep 2016 18:59:02 +0000 Received: (at 24369) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Sep 2016 18:58:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50623 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgz5z-0003UH-Ji for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 14:58:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54137) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgz5y-0003U5-3k for 24369@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 14:58:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bgz5o-00008V-N2 for 24369@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 14:58:08 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43355) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bgz5o-00008L-Jo; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 14:58:04 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3487 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bgz5k-0006u5-Ei; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 14:58:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 21:57:58 +0300 Message-Id: <83twdub2dl.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= on Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:33:21 +0200) References: <2a6635c0-e538-ad1b-4308-a3311a36f59a@easy-emacs.de> <93121a7b-21c7-4174-a295-052f18fde722@default> <9cd42ba9-014d-91be-24a4-0077c4e85ac4@easy-emacs.de> <83wpiqb56c.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.7 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.7 (------) > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 24369@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Andreas Röhler > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:33:21 +0200 > > > • ‘nil’, meaning there is no prefix argument. Its numeric value is > > 1, > > That's the point: > > Value of nil is 1 No, the _numeric_ value of nil is 1. IOW, nil, when interpreted as a number, is 1. An entirely different story. > Consistency means something different. The numeric value of nil is consistently 1. From unknown Tue Aug 19 23:15:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24369: Docu of prefix-numeric-value Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 21:04:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24369 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii , Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Cc: 24369@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 24369-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24369.147310940725016 (code B ref 24369); Mon, 05 Sep 2016 21:04:01 +0000 Received: (at 24369) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Sep 2016 21:03:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50664 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bh139-0006VP-1n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 17:03:27 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:40365) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bh137-0006VB-K4 for 24369@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 17:03:26 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u85L3Jcu021178 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Sep 2016 21:03:19 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u85L3IXM020335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Sep 2016 21:03:19 GMT Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u85L3HE7022410; Mon, 5 Sep 2016 21:03:17 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <8de43dfa-e463-4060-9562-0158eb256b3a@default> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <2a6635c0-e538-ad1b-4308-a3311a36f59a@easy-emacs.de> <93121a7b-21c7-4174-a295-052f18fde722@default> <9cd42ba9-014d-91be-24a4-0077c4e85ac4@easy-emacs.de> <83wpiqb56c.fsf@gnu.org> <83twdub2dl.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83twdub2dl.fsf@gnu.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) > > > =E2=80=A2 =E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99, meaning there is no prefix argum= ent. Its numeric value > > > is 1, > > > > That's the point: Value of nil is 1 >=20 > No, the _numeric_ value of nil is 1. IOW, nil, when interpreted > as a number, is 1. An entirely different story. Exactly. The value of `(prefix-numeric-value nil)' is 1. That's what "numeric value of" the prefix argument means. It is also what the shorter expression "the numeric prefix argument" means. The fact that the value of some function applied to nil is 1 does not mean that the value of nil is 1. From unknown Tue Aug 19 23:15:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#24369: Docu of prefix-numeric-value Resent-From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 01:36:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24369 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= , 24369@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 24369-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24369.150025535514002 (code B ref 24369); Mon, 17 Jul 2017 01:36:01 +0000 Received: (at 24369) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jul 2017 01:35:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42945 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dWux1-0003dg-8n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:35:55 -0400 Received: from mail-it0-f46.google.com ([209.85.214.46]:38058) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dWuwz-0003dN-0T; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:35:53 -0400 Received: by mail-it0-f46.google.com with SMTP id h199so11374015ith.1; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 18:35:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gA17vJLxGEBqhz3gci6+SqIT0dI1GFa4PBEVyefWE7M=; b=pssD0ze692FHwRhTRGvBpqy6tXLr6tBF5Rd82Eit2l1DCG7ibjWReJMpg3eTaKUAIM J9mL6rEKVhqw0aBRxAaQrAM2tK/8pmpyah5cCou+7UOL23uLNekLhxZbherzgTz/IaJp C3IAwcO74MuB/tcbLEVWq8JuTV7xNaI0tCio/wRsZnr93pVFcR1zYSgpHMVDkxw3PHpJ AeWtavPtNCkBVNUOvCoh6w8skll75HC4exHeCw+FKlaKupBtJWRGWCDZZFF+sUhrHSNZ rXKVSacEh9Pd1p8DkhjDwh/rVvFSSKoTq29X28iRcyA3lldeIOJcuJCdhlNI95T+hOA5 KXzQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gA17vJLxGEBqhz3gci6+SqIT0dI1GFa4PBEVyefWE7M=; b=UGp7DvN/iGa8C7UwTyPNmlSeL/lqsexwAF6KZq4JCRPfG/ZqOwYTD9M/BAwWnoJrae iwMlS1oIwHxa+btMhyhR2RC3+nt2ZQV9CFrcSUfI/TXBFHEaP+VT9+x2JNlpabYSho2q rr1ijc0Y2+bGU35DkUCqoUk0cFBjimbL2kIgIMyv+t1uN34ItFbVIbvX9A7Q6ZaPUeua b4+seEGZRrIGxGb77WQHMZWxg047agrfN76hVj3aBcO7LULKMYaK0cSF2ynZQgwxd76F SZuwxWirqTtHQTlTOVvKWQ9IPB8tdWke3IsPeaMAHfYd5a/SoKqiP6R87hriiRG0xBQl fevg== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw1125pNRaaY1ZB45S+vGCQK2NSEsUIdIKv20DgcdzgCEy28WM1V0z r3iZUWbxqv5dJ0do X-Received: by 10.36.172.77 with SMTP id m13mr3396763iti.59.1500255347277; Sun, 16 Jul 2017 18:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zony ([45.2.7.65]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id l203sm5221525itl.26.2017.07.16.18.35.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 16 Jul 2017 18:35:46 -0700 (PDT) From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net References: <2a6635c0-e538-ad1b-4308-a3311a36f59a@easy-emacs.de> <93121a7b-21c7-4174-a295-052f18fde722@default> <9cd42ba9-014d-91be-24a4-0077c4e85ac4@easy-emacs.de> <83wpiqb56c.fsf@gnu.org> <83twdub2dl.fsf@gnu.org> <8de43dfa-e463-4060-9562-0158eb256b3a@default> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:37:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8de43dfa-e463-4060-9562-0158eb256b3a@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 5 Sep 2016 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87inirc08f.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) tags 24369 notabug close 24369 quit Drew Adams writes: >> > > =E2=80=A2 =E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99, meaning there is no prefix argu= ment. Its numeric value >> > > is 1, >> > >> > That's the point: Value of nil is 1 >>=20 >> No, the _numeric_ value of nil is 1. IOW, nil, when interpreted >> as a number, is 1. An entirely different story. > > Exactly. The value of `(prefix-numeric-value nil)' is 1. > > That's what "numeric value of" the prefix argument means. > It is also what the shorter expression "the numeric prefix > argument" means. > > The fact that the value of some function applied to nil > is 1 does not mean that the value of nil is 1. I think there is nothing more to be done here, so I'm closing the bug.