From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 23 18:32:53 2016 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2016 22:32:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38262 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcKFY-0005m2-St for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 18:32:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33442) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcKFX-0005ln-3N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 18:32:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bcKFR-0001Jw-6A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 18:32:45 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,XPRIO autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:58031) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bcKFR-0001JG-47 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 18:32:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52619) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bcKFP-0000eH-0C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 18:32:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bcKFL-0001F0-No for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 18:32:42 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:50899) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bcKFL-0001ES-Fj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 18:32:39 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u7NMWb6Y027774 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:32:38 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u7NMWbDV009891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:32:37 GMT Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u7NMWbpl001303 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:32:37 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 15:32:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.5; RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK has punctuation syntax in Elisp, but acts like a symbol constituent X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) In an Emacs-Lisp buffer or in *scratch*, use `C-u C-x =3D3D' on this character: =3DA1=3DAF (RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK). It tells you that its syntax is punctuation. But (setq foo (intern "ab=3DA1=3DAFcd=3DA1=3DAFef")) shows that it acts lik= e a symbol-constituent character. And the Elisp manual, node Syntax Class Table says this, about syntax class punctuation: Some programming language modes, such as Emacs Lisp mode, have no characters in this class since the few characters that are not symbol or word constituents all have other uses. What gives? Is there a doc bug? Should the syntax class be symbol-constituent? Are things as they should be (in which case, can the doc be clarified, as this seems confusing)? In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-04-11 on LEG570 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D3D/c/usr --host=3D3Di686-pc-mingw32' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 23 18:46:50 2016 Received: (at 24295) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2016 22:46:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38273 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcKT4-0006AX-MN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 18:46:50 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:38832) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcKT3-0006AJ-E2 for 24295@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 18:46:49 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u7NMkgN2008235 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <24295@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:46:43 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u7NMkghP002784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <24295@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:46:42 GMT Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u7NMkfJJ026664 for <24295@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:46:42 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 15:46:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: 24295@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#24295: 24.5; RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK has punctuation syntax in Elisp, but acts like a symbol constituent References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24295 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) > In an Emacs-Lisp buffer or in *scratch*, use `C-u C-x =3D3D' on this > character: =3DA1=3DAF (RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK). It tells you that i= ts > syntax is punctuation. >=20 > But (setq foo (intern "ab=3DA1=3DAFcd=3DA1=3DAFef")) shows that it acts l= ike a > symbol-constituent character. That certainly didn't paste well into my mail client, I guess. The character in question is RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK. It showed up in my message as =3DA1=3DAF, for some reason. Trying again (it _looks_ OK in my mail message, before I send it, at least): =E2=80=99=E2=80=99=E2=80=99=E2=80=99=E2=80=99=E2=80=99=E2=80=99=E2=80=99=E2= =80=99=E2=80=99=E2=80=99 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 23 18:56:49 2016 Received: (at 24295) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Aug 2016 22:56:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38278 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcKcj-0006Oe-LG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 18:56:49 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:41855) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcKci-0006OP-73 for 24295@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 18:56:48 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u7NMufJA016747 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for <24295@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:56:42 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u7NMufgk020605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for <24295@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:56:41 GMT Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u7NMueYn002000 for <24295@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:56:41 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <88404872-e6ea-45e3-a8a8-974477708402@default> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 15:56:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: 24295@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#24295: 24.5; RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK has punctuation syntax in Elisp, but acts like a symbol constituent References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24295 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) > > In an Emacs-Lisp buffer or in *scratch*, use `C-u C-x =3D3D' on this > > character: =3DA1=3DAF (RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK). It tells you that= its > > syntax is punctuation. > > > > But (setq foo (intern "ab=3DA1=3DAFcd=3DA1=3DAFef")) shows that it acts= like a > > symbol-constituent character. >=20 > That certainly didn't paste well into my mail client, I guess. >=20 > The character in question is RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK. It showed > up in my message as =3DA1=3DAF, for some reason. Trying again (it _looks= _ > OK in my mail message, before I send it, at least): >=20 > =E2=80=99=E2=80=99=E2=80=99=E2=80=99=E2=80=99=E2=80=99=E2=80=99=E2=80=99= =E2=80=99=E2=80=99=E2=80=99 OK, that worked. What was the difference? La voici : For the initial bug report, I used `C-c C-c' from `report-emacs-bug', and then I used `C-v' in the popped up MS Outlook mail message window. For the followup, I selected the char with the region in Emacs and then used `C-v' in the MS Outlook mail message window. So it seems like `report-emacs-bug' doesn't quite DTRT always. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 23 20:29:14 2016 Received: (at 24295) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2016 00:29:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38297 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcM4A-00008O-9V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 20:29:14 -0400 Received: from mail-it0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41]:38182) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcM48-00008C-Qv for 24295@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 20:29:13 -0400 Received: by mail-it0-f41.google.com with SMTP id n128so7219681ith.1 for <24295@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zlY1ub6QtOZViMEQ68kt93jn7whv9WY6IYSw+MUF+FU=; b=BjpV6LkTfrv3JYkzgxdzFhJnSHalR8cvkwhLrYVgj+lraKIvWx/bRIsD6oOGV3oTOu sumDgoE9FahKSRnCvYcTJzSM/oQ/beI5S4BXl6gDZcMK8f/AxFUYZ9+22+LHIuw+CnlN r4jNAa0BYQMyH9eLQz4CHL0JlC9bCu8nUqlIRxzZdfVoa5GxFemXHA+wlpI2mhCVaGp8 3nU7oClif/S8QzvTBRut0sMWl4kGBzdclfkekr9Shx/QEZKB5zwsa9uo1PJnRcf2eeR3 hc3VOupF3BCeejUG0DtY7l8MDwkudxq2QTSKJDqM1h1cqb1DQFUtj4mMbZr+rOUgb8bX N7HA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zlY1ub6QtOZViMEQ68kt93jn7whv9WY6IYSw+MUF+FU=; b=R8xqQWSlTScikqq2LlvoofRgruxLL72lAcC7kp/GZ6YWusehMh7QMSBPOpKuxoPPP5 MKBKYRI3lGUazSzcEhknajGi2xa2/h2yO6CUmdfBLsPez5Icq1nBZxH/EU55mb2bamgP K9HFn/bKCPEDr5rKjEjkVv0mKOxXhy0SwO/XtF9UnKiYTcbKpujPUHRaXWZNsY4NJhHC skQ01KnWjaM/EDoNdmNKnPeb30wGBHU67G99w3/7f3YY1IazZthxpPFhIUjA9AWe1RI7 pX6ZhXjM4BkZtAH3I9W7QhMqCfSBm+E8/nK52rOFgqf2hJc5clS95RYXueLRFPFWRt7Y DfqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouu5H8ZHGdDUcQIFhv22AEGnXC04+PwLcNV5PYmoI8UHUHwT4QYjlRbIzYegl8ZX0g== X-Received: by 10.36.47.6 with SMTP id j6mr31130578itj.82.1471998547036; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 17:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zony ([45.2.7.130]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id j129sm10616453itj.5.2016.08.23.17.29.06 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 23 Aug 2016 17:29:06 -0700 (PDT) From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#24295: 24.5; RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK has punctuation syntax in Elisp, but acts like a symbol constituent References: Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 20:29:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 23 Aug 2016 15:32:36 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87shtvt3fh.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24295 Cc: 24295@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Drew Adams writes: [I replaced =3DA1=3DAF with =E2=80=99 in the quoted text] > In an Emacs-Lisp buffer or in *scratch*, use `C-u C-x =3D3D' on this > character: =E2=80=99 (RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK). It tells you that its > syntax is punctuation. > > But (setq foo (intern "ab=E2=80=99cd=E2=80=99ef")) shows that it acts lik= e a > symbol-constituent character. In what way does it show that?? A symbol's name can be any arbitrary string, there's no significance to the syntax class of the characters. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 23 21:52:36 2016 Received: (at 24295) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2016 01:52:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38406 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcNMq-000299-9d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 21:52:36 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:16543) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcNMo-00028w-Gc for 24295@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 21:52:35 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u7O1qSwm007756 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2016 01:52:28 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u7O1qR5X030812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2016 01:52:28 GMT Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u7O1qQ4M022911; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 01:52:27 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <01cab8f7-8508-41ec-b440-e571cb323167@default> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 18:52:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: bug#24295: 24.5; RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK has punctuation syntax in Elisp, but acts like a symbol constituent References: <87shtvt3fh.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> In-Reply-To: <87shtvt3fh.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24295 Cc: 24295@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) > In what way does it show that?? A symbol's name can be any arbitrary > string, there's no significance to the syntax class of the characters. Silly me. Of course that's right. Nevertheless, there seems to be a problem, but it is not what I thought. M-: (global-set-key (kbd "C-o") =E2=80=99forward-char) Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-variable =E2=80=99forward-char) (global-set-key (kbd "C-o") =E2=80=99forward-char) eval((global-set-key (kbd "C-o") =E2=80=99forward-char) nil) elisp--eval-last-sexp(nil) eval-last-sexp(nil) funcall-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil) call-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil nil) command-execute(eval-last-sexp) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 23 21:59:58 2016 Received: (at 24295) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2016 01:59:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38410 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcNTy-0002JN-1L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 21:59:58 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:22416) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcNTw-0002J9-ST for 24295@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 21:59:57 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u7O1xoKb003322 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2016 01:59:50 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u7O1xnoI008934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2016 01:59:49 GMT Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u7O1xmqm008357; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 01:59:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0f696dc6-1dbb-4e3c-9d34-014992f47ba0@default> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 18:59:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: bug#24295: 24.5; RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK has punctuation syntax in Elisp, but acts like a symbol constituent References: <87shtvt3fh.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <01cab8f7-8508-41ec-b440-e571cb323167@default> In-Reply-To: <01cab8f7-8508-41ec-b440-e571cb323167@default> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24295 Cc: 24295@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) > M-: (global-set-key (kbd "C-o") =E2=80=99forward-char) >=20 > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-variable =E2=80=99forward-char) Well, I guess that's not a problem either. Pretty much anything that is not a paren, quote, backquote, comma, or isolated period will be taken as part of a symbol name here. I'll close the bug, I guess. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 23 22:02:12 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2016 02:02:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38414 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcNW8-0002OY-EB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:02:12 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:19540) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcNW7-0002OL-3I for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:02:11 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u7O2249e016780 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 02:02:04 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u7O223po027587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 02:02:03 GMT Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u7O223UZ031076 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 02:02:03 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <171eeb89-cccb-48b0-974f-c48d07774a03@default> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 19:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: close 24295 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) close 24295 thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 23 22:42:28 2016 Received: (at 24295) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2016 02:42:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38435 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcO96-00050N-AT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:42:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44119) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcO95-00050B-AB for 24295@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:42:27 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bcO8v-00039D-BT for 24295@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:42:22 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36848) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bcO8v-00037N-8I; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:42:17 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2095 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bcO8s-0005Tc-GE; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:42:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 05:42:31 +0300 Message-Id: <837fb6ga5k.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <88404872-e6ea-45e3-a8a8-974477708402@default> (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 23 Aug 2016 15:56:39 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#24295: 24.5; RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK has punctuation syntax in Elisp, but acts like a symbol constituent References: <88404872-e6ea-45e3-a8a8-974477708402@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24295 Cc: 24295@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 15:56:39 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > For the initial bug report, I used `C-c C-c' from `report-emacs-bug', > and then I used `C-v' in the popped up MS Outlook mail message window. > > For the followup, I selected the char with the region in Emacs and > then used `C-v' in the MS Outlook mail message window. So it seems > like `report-emacs-bug' doesn't quite DTRT always. It does DTRT: this is "quoted-printable" encoding of non-ASCII characters. You already asked this several times in the past, and received the same answer. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 24 02:58:22 2016 Received: (at 24295) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2016 06:58:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38614 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcS8k-0002tO-Ic for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 02:58:22 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:60147) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcS8i-0002tF-Ch for 24295@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 02:58:21 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3sJynQ4yhnz3hjS4; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 08:58:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.68]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3sJynQ4B6KzvhPD; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 08:58:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.68]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NHvAjlj-wM5b; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 08:58:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: n/zkXxbq1VqSKj8rBcFNbPQXHe/T0XuRgwEgZKM+p8qMFvXm889JgcIrACQCGXV6 Received: from igel.home (ppp-88-217-18-136.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.18.136]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 08:58:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2D3A22C359D; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 08:58:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#24295: 24.5; RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK has punctuation syntax in Elisp, but acts like a symbol constituent References: <88404872-e6ea-45e3-a8a8-974477708402@default> <837fb6ga5k.fsf@gnu.org> X-Yow: It's NO USE.. I've gone to ``CLUB MED''!! Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 08:58:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: <837fb6ga5k.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2016 05:42:31 +0300") Message-ID: <87inuqfyba.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24295 Cc: 24295@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Aug 24 2016, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > It does DTRT: this is "quoted-printable" encoding of non-ASCII > characters. You already asked this several times in the past, and > received the same answer. The message was quoted-unreadable encoded *twice*. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 24 10:19:35 2016 Received: (at 24295) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2016 14:19:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39186 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcZ1j-0006jy-NG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 10:19:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42949) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcZ1i-0006ji-5Q for 24295@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 10:19:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bcZ1Y-00046J-W2 for 24295@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 10:19:28 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45114) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bcZ1Y-00045i-Se; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 10:19:24 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2425 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bcZ1W-0006a1-Vx; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 10:19:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 17:19:40 +0300 Message-Id: <8337lufdvn.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Andreas Schwab In-reply-to: <87inuqfyba.fsf@linux-m68k.org> (message from Andreas Schwab on Wed, 24 Aug 2016 08:58:17 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#24295: 24.5; RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK has punctuation syntax in Elisp, but acts like a symbol constituent References: <88404872-e6ea-45e3-a8a8-974477708402@default> <837fb6ga5k.fsf@gnu.org> <87inuqfyba.fsf@linux-m68k.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24295 Cc: 24295@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) > From: Andreas Schwab > Cc: Drew Adams , 24295@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 08:58:17 +0200 > > On Aug 24 2016, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > It does DTRT: this is "quoted-printable" encoding of non-ASCII > > characters. You already asked this several times in the past, and > > received the same answer. > > The message was quoted-unreadable encoded *twice*. I don't think we have any better choice, when the end-user uses mailclient-send-it: we know nothing about how the MUA handles non-ASCII characters. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 24 10:25:28 2016 Received: (at 24295) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2016 14:25:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39194 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcZ7L-0006t8-Ls for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 10:25:28 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:21419) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bcZ7F-0006sr-Df for 24295@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 10:25:22 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u7OEPAS1008188 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2016 14:25:11 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u7OEPAlK009944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 Aug 2016 14:25:10 GMT Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u7OEP8nm030345; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 14:25:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <576145b4-bebe-4569-8303-b496d6d8163a@default> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 07:25:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Andreas Schwab Subject: RE: bug#24295: 24.5; RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK has punctuation syntax in Elisp, but acts like a symbol constituent References: < <88404872-e6ea-45e3-a8a8-974477708402@default> <837fb6ga5k.fsf@gnu.org>> <<87inuqfyba.fsf@linux-m68k.org>> <<8337lufdvn.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<8337lufdvn.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24295 Cc: 24295@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) > > > It does DTRT: this is "quoted-printable" encoding of non-ASCII > > > characters. You already asked this several times in the past, and > > > received the same answer. > > > > The message was quoted-unreadable encoded *twice*. >=20 > I don't think we have any better choice, when the end-user uses > mailclient-send-it: we know nothing about how the MUA handles > non-ASCII characters. Perhaps have a user option (and let users set it during the same initial how-do-you-want-to-report-this? dialog). Many (most?) mail clients now support such characters. Perhaps the default behavior should assume that many can, and thus let users simply copy+paste such chars normally, once they've said that their client supports this. But yes, let them choose. From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:15:20 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 11:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator