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For instance, doing (setq epg-gpg-program "gpg1") in init.el does not work. EPA ignores the program name and fails with some cryptic message about no found configurations. In GNU Emacs 25.1.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin15.6.0, Carbon Version 157 AppKit 1404.47) of 2016-07-26 built on jupiter Windowing system distributor 'Apple Inc.', version 10.11.6 Configured using: 'configure --prefix=/usr/local/Cellar/emacs-mac/emacs-25.1-rc1-mac-5.90 --enable-locallisppath=/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp --infodir=/usr/local/Cellar/emacs-mac/emacs-25.1-rc1-mac-5.90/share/info/emacs --with-mac --enable-mac-app=/usr/local/Cellar/emacs-mac/emacs-25.1-rc1-mac-5.90' Configured features: NOTIFY ACL LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS Important settings: value of $LANG: en_NZ.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Text Minor modes in effect: recentf-mode: t savehist-mode: t ido-ubiquitous-mode: t ido-everywhere: t global-eldoc-mode: t mac-mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t visual-line-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent messages: Mark set Creating customization items... 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References: From: Noam Postavsky Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 18:26:02 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: t40F1hoB7_wtH3TCo_59iEHzDBU Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#24229: 25.1; Can't set EPA program To: Nick Helm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24229 Cc: 24229@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) tag 24229 moreinfo quit On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:58 AM, Nick Helm wrote: > Setting epg-gpg-program has no effect if set using > any other method than customize. > > For instance, doing (setq epg-gpg-program "gpg1") in > init.el does not work. EPA ignores the program name > and fails with some cryptic message about no found > configurations. Please post the exact error message. 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Tue, 16 Aug 2016 15:38:43 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56649) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bZkC8-0002RM-PD; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 15:38:40 -0400 Received: from du-a.org ([219.94.251.20]:42568 helo=localhost.localdomain) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bZkC6-0008CQ-Jq; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 15:38:39 -0400 Message-ID: <87mvkcqzbf.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> From: Daiki Ueno To: Nick Helm Subject: Re: bug#24229: 25.1; Can't set EPA program References: <89B49EC8-8E9C-462F-8E0C-9A6ABC7A8C87@tenpoint.co.nz> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 21:38:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: <89B49EC8-8E9C-462F-8E0C-9A6ABC7A8C87@tenpoint.co.nz> (Nick Helm's message of "Tue, 16 Aug 2016 00:56:17 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24229 Cc: "24229@debbugs.gnu.org" <24229@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) Nick Helm writes: > Yes, the error still occurs when launching with:=20 > emacs -Q =E2=80=94-eval '(setq epg-gpg-program "gpg1")' > > However, it doesn=E2=80=99t occur when launching with: > emacs -Q --eval '(customize-save-variable (quote epg-gpg-program) "gpg1")' > > A quick look at `epg-find-configuration' shows it only=20 > checks epg-gpg-program's saved-value symbol property;=20 > if the variable is set elsewhere it is ignored. > > I can get around it by symlinking gpg>gpg1 but that > kinda defeats the purpose of having the variable. It's an intended behaviour. If you expect all the setup behind the scene, you need to use the Customize interface instead of 'setq'. This is similar to the mode variables. See: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Minor-Modes.html#= Minor-Modes The documentation of the variable could be improved anyway. 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Wed, 17 Aug 2016 03:46:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daiki Ueno To: Nick Helm Subject: Re: bug#24229: 25.1; Can't set EPA program References: <89B49EC8-8E9C-462F-8E0C-9A6ABC7A8C87@tenpoint.co.nz> <87mvkcqzbf.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <4B42E5C1-2FC6-471D-9E68-309B1C9DF1FD@tenpoint.co.nz> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:46:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4B42E5C1-2FC6-471D-9E68-309B1C9DF1FD@tenpoint.co.nz> (Nick Helm's message of "Wed, 17 Aug 2016 00:18:51 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24229 Cc: "24229@debbugs.gnu.org" <24229@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) Nick Helm writes: > None of these variables forces the use of customize. Why > is epg-gpg-program such a special case? That is primarily because of the UX differences between three maintained versions of GnuPG: 2.0, 2.1, and 1.x. GnuPG 2.0 does not provide a way to prompt passphrase without GUI, but others do. Some people are fine with 2.0 as they use Emacs on a graphical environment only, but other people are not. So, we really need to take account of user's intention here; check whether the variable set by user or it is the default value. With 'setq' it is not possible to have such distinction. Regards, -- Daiki Ueno From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 17 11:21:23 2016 Received: (at 24229) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Aug 2016 15:21:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60405 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ba2eg-0003Tr-US for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 11:21:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57595) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ba2ef-0003Tf-S7 for 24229@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 11:21:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ba2eZ-0000Qy-Ep for 24229@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 11:21:16 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41452) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ba2eR-0000QD-Vt; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 11:21:08 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1470 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ba2eQ-0005KY-1V; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 11:21:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 18:21:09 +0300 Message-Id: <83ziobe80q.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Daiki Ueno In-reply-to: (message from Daiki Ueno on Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:46:01 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#24229: 25.1; Can't set EPA program References: <89B49EC8-8E9C-462F-8E0C-9A6ABC7A8C87@tenpoint.co.nz> <87mvkcqzbf.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <4B42E5C1-2FC6-471D-9E68-309B1C9DF1FD@tenpoint.co.nz> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24229 Cc: nick@tenpoint.co.nz, 24229@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) > From: Daiki Ueno > Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:46:01 +0200 > Cc: "24229@debbugs.gnu.org" <24229@debbugs.gnu.org> > > > None of these variables forces the use of customize. Why > > is epg-gpg-program such a special case? > > That is primarily because of the UX differences between three maintained > versions of GnuPG: 2.0, 2.1, and 1.x. GnuPG 2.0 does not provide a way > to prompt passphrase without GUI, but others do. Some people are fine > with 2.0 as they use Emacs on a graphical environment only, but other > people are not. > > So, we really need to take account of user's intention here; check > whether the variable set by user or it is the default value. With > 'setq' it is not possible to have such distinction. Doesn't Customize provide some functions that allow such a distinction? The Customize UI surely is able to tell when a variable was "changed not through Customize", isn't that what you want? Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 17 13:45:39 2016 Received: (at 24229) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Aug 2016 17:45:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60499 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ba4uI-0006wM-S9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:45:39 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34284) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ba4uH-0006wA-9Z for 24229@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:45:37 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ba4uB-0005GJ-0m for 24229@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:45:31 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43226) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ba4u1-0005CJ-Gp; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:45:21 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ba4tz-0007Vq-Nu; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:45:19 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Daiki Ueno In-reply-to: (message from Daiki Ueno on Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:46:01 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#24229: 25.1; Can't set EPA program References: <89B49EC8-8E9C-462F-8E0C-9A6ABC7A8C87@tenpoint.co.nz> <87mvkcqzbf.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <4B42E5C1-2FC6-471D-9E68-309B1C9DF1FD@tenpoint.co.nz> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:45:19 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24229 Cc: nick@tenpoint.co.nz, 24229@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > That is primarily because of the UX differences between three maintained > versions of GnuPG: 2.0, 2.1, and 1.x. GnuPG 2.0 does not provide a way > to prompt passphrase without GUI, but others do. Some people are fine > with 2.0 as they use Emacs on a graphical environment only, but other > people are not. This might be a symptom of a deeper problem. Suppose you use GnuPG 2.0 under Emacs on a text terminal. What interface does it use to read the passphrase? Does it work ok? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. 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Thu, 18 Aug 2016 03:14:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daiki Ueno To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#24229: 25.1; Can't set EPA program References: <89B49EC8-8E9C-462F-8E0C-9A6ABC7A8C87@tenpoint.co.nz> <87mvkcqzbf.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <4B42E5C1-2FC6-471D-9E68-309B1C9DF1FD@tenpoint.co.nz> <83ziobe80q.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 09:14:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83ziobe80q.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 17 Aug 2016 18:21:09 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24229 Cc: nick@tenpoint.co.nz, 24229@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Daiki Ueno >> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:46:01 +0200 >> Cc: "24229@debbugs.gnu.org" <24229@debbugs.gnu.org> >>=20 >> > None of these variables forces the use of customize. Why=20 >> > is epg-gpg-program such a special case? >>=20 >> That is primarily because of the UX differences between three maintained >> versions of GnuPG: 2.0, 2.1, and 1.x. GnuPG 2.0 does not provide a way >> to prompt passphrase without GUI, but others do. Some people are fine >> with 2.0 as they use Emacs on a graphical environment only, but other >> people are not. >>=20 >> So, we really need to take account of user's intention here; check >> whether the variable set by user or it is the default value. With >> 'setq' it is not possible to have such distinction. > > Doesn't Customize provide some functions that allow such a > distinction? The Customize UI surely is able to tell when a variable > was "changed not through Customize", isn't that what you want? This is what we are currently doing, and the bug is saying that it should be done without Customize. It doesn't make sense to me though. Nick Helm writes: > I'm not sure I follow. If the user sets a variable, I think=20 > they're making their intention pretty clear =E2=80=93 use the set=20 > value.=20 > > If they know enough to set epg-gpg-program (using whatever=20 > mechanism), I'd argue they know enough to understand the=20 > capabilities of the program they're pointing to. Isn't it=20 > up to the user to know that gnupg 2.0 only supports=20 > GUI-based pinentry?=20 > > But if the existing arrangement is important, can we at > least extend the test to determine if the variable has=20 > been set using either mechanism? Something like this might > work: > > (not (equal (eval (car (get 'epg-gpg-program 'standard-value)))=20 > (default-value 'epg-gpg-program))) There seems to be some confusions here. - The standard-value property is actually from Customize. - The default-value function is to get the default value of buffer local variables. So, It doesn't work as you expect. I am really not sure why you insist on using setq. As far as I know, Customize is the recommended way to set user options and provides more features like this. Regards, --=20 Daiki Ueno From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 18 10:13:40 2016 Received: (at 24229) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Aug 2016 14:13:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33480 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1baO4i-0003Rr-8s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:13:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36772) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1baO4g-0003Re-OY for 24229@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:13:39 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1baO4X-0001wx-MM for 24229@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:13:33 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60225) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1baO4U-0001vY-Dr; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:13:26 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2340 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1baO4S-000217-JY; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:13:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 17:13:30 +0300 Message-Id: <83pop6dv1x.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Daiki Ueno In-reply-to: (message from Daiki Ueno on Thu, 18 Aug 2016 09:14:27 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#24229: 25.1; Can't set EPA program References: <89B49EC8-8E9C-462F-8E0C-9A6ABC7A8C87@tenpoint.co.nz> <87mvkcqzbf.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <4B42E5C1-2FC6-471D-9E68-309B1C9DF1FD@tenpoint.co.nz> <83ziobe80q.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24229 Cc: nick@tenpoint.co.nz, 24229@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) > From: Daiki Ueno > Cc: nick@tenpoint.co.nz, 24229@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 09:14:27 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> So, we really need to take account of user's intention here; check > >> whether the variable set by user or it is the default value. With > >> 'setq' it is not possible to have such distinction. > > > > Doesn't Customize provide some functions that allow such a > > distinction? The Customize UI surely is able to tell when a variable > > was "changed not through Customize", isn't that what you want? > > This is what we are currently doing, and the bug is saying that it > should be done without Customize. It doesn't make sense to me though. What I meant is that Customize does have a way of telling that a value was changed using setq, so evidently there's some infrastructure for that which you could use. Am I missing something? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 18 11:08:26 2016 Received: (at 24229) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Aug 2016 15:08:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33534 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1baOvh-0004qW-ST for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:08:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51524) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1baOvf-0004qI-TR for 24229@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:08:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1baOvX-0006th-7e for 24229@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:08:18 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:32794) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1baOvX-0006tc-4K; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:08:15 -0400 Received: from du-a.org ([219.94.251.20]:42647 helo=localhost.localdomain) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1baOvU-0008IH-PU; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:08:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daiki Ueno To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#24229: 25.1; Can't set EPA program References: <89B49EC8-8E9C-462F-8E0C-9A6ABC7A8C87@tenpoint.co.nz> <87mvkcqzbf.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <4B42E5C1-2FC6-471D-9E68-309B1C9DF1FD@tenpoint.co.nz> <83ziobe80q.fsf@gnu.org> <83pop6dv1x.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 17:08:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83pop6dv1x.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 18 Aug 2016 17:13:30 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24229 Cc: nick@tenpoint.co.nz, 24229@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Daiki Ueno >> Cc: nick@tenpoint.co.nz, 24229@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 09:14:27 +0200 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> >> So, we really need to take account of user's intention here; check >> >> whether the variable set by user or it is the default value. With >> >> 'setq' it is not possible to have such distinction. >> > >> > Doesn't Customize provide some functions that allow such a >> > distinction? The Customize UI surely is able to tell when a variable >> > was "changed not through Customize", isn't that what you want? >> >> This is what we are currently doing, and the bug is saying that it >> should be done without Customize. It doesn't make sense to me though. > > What I meant is that Customize does have a way of telling that a value > was changed using setq, so evidently there's some infrastructure for > that which you could use. Am I missing something? Do you mean custom-variable-state or anything else? The function just compares a value with the default value. In that case, we cannot determine whether a user explicitly sets the variable to "gpg2", or the default value "gpg2" is used. If the former, we want to use "gpg2" binary anyway. But if the latter and "gpg2" is GnuPG 2.0, we want to try other versions when available. This is not possible with that function. Regards, -- Daiki Ueno From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 18 11:35:19 2016 Received: (at 24229) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Aug 2016 15:35:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33545 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1baPLj-0005Ue-GA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:35:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57832) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1baPLi-0005UR-AR for 24229@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:35:18 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1baPLc-0004h1-Az for 24229@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:35:13 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:33123) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1baPLW-0004ZW-Ja; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:35:06 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2426 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1baPLU-0007LV-Na; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:35:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 18:35:09 +0300 Message-Id: <83k2fedr9u.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Daiki Ueno In-reply-to: (message from Daiki Ueno on Thu, 18 Aug 2016 17:08:03 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#24229: 25.1; Can't set EPA program References: <89B49EC8-8E9C-462F-8E0C-9A6ABC7A8C87@tenpoint.co.nz> <87mvkcqzbf.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <4B42E5C1-2FC6-471D-9E68-309B1C9DF1FD@tenpoint.co.nz> <83ziobe80q.fsf@gnu.org> <83pop6dv1x.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24229 Cc: nick@tenpoint.co.nz, 24229@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) > From: Daiki Ueno > Cc: nick@tenpoint.co.nz, 24229@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 17:08:03 +0200 > > > What I meant is that Customize does have a way of telling that a value > > was changed using setq, so evidently there's some infrastructure for > > that which you could use. Am I missing something? > > Do you mean custom-variable-state Yes, I guess so. > The function just compares a value with the default value. In that > case, we cannot determine whether a user explicitly sets the > variable to "gpg2", or the default value "gpg2" is used. You mean, using setq to set the value that is identical to the default is somehow different from using the default unchanged? Isn't that confusing for users? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 18 11:47:14 2016 Received: (at 24229) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Aug 2016 15:47:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33549 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1baPXG-0005mK-J3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:47:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60539) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1baPXF-0005m4-Ht for 24229@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:47:13 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1baPX6-0007MK-MW for 24229@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:47:08 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:33248) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1baPWx-0007KG-BK; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:46:55 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1baPWu-0008I2-7J; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:46:52 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Daiki Ueno Subject: Re: bug#24229: 25.1; Can't set EPA program References: <89B49EC8-8E9C-462F-8E0C-9A6ABC7A8C87@tenpoint.co.nz> <87mvkcqzbf.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <4B42E5C1-2FC6-471D-9E68-309B1C9DF1FD@tenpoint.co.nz> <83ziobe80q.fsf@gnu.org> <83pop6dv1x.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: Facility Emergency Ebola Twister UNSCOM Mexico Blizzard X-Ran: #vX9^>huCP~$.\f_RG5*9G`O+64-.BV.:Y&f$JMhO]}ZV=UAEL]g}qAp'5z{UrFHD>>q/c X-Hue: magenta X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:46:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Daiki Ueno's message of "Thu, 18 Aug 2016 17:08:03 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24229 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , nick@tenpoint.co.nz, 24229@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) It's not uncommon for the doc of Emacs variables to say: Setting this variable directly does not have any effect; instead use \\[customize] or . IMO that's all that's needed here too. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 18 12:16:42 2016 Received: (at 24229) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Aug 2016 16:16:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33571 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1baPzl-0006Uf-M4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:16:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40381) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1baPzk-0006UU-Ew for 24229@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:16:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1baPze-0005yb-8M for 24229@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:16:35 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:33791) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1baPzY-0005xk-Aj; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:16:28 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2491 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1baPzW-0007dA-93; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:16:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 19:16:30 +0300 Message-Id: <83inuydpcx.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:46:52 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#24229: 25.1; Can't set EPA program References: <89B49EC8-8E9C-462F-8E0C-9A6ABC7A8C87@tenpoint.co.nz> <87mvkcqzbf.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <4B42E5C1-2FC6-471D-9E68-309B1C9DF1FD@tenpoint.co.nz> <83ziobe80q.fsf@gnu.org> <83pop6dv1x.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24229 Cc: ueno@gnu.org, 24229@debbugs.gnu.org, nick@tenpoint.co.nz X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , nick@tenpoint.co.nz, 24229@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:46:52 -0400 > > It's not uncommon for the doc of Emacs variables to say: > > Setting this variable directly does not have any effect; > instead use \\[customize] or . > > IMO that's all that's needed here too. If there's no better way, yes. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 19 05:23:03 2016 Received: (at 24229-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Aug 2016 09:23:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33873 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bag10-0007fg-OL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 05:23:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51361) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bag0z-0007f0-FN for 24229-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 05:23:01 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bag0p-0002Ey-J7 for 24229-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 05:22:56 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44132) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bag0p-0002Ep-FL; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 05:22:51 -0400 Received: from du-a.org ([219.94.251.20]:42696 helo=localhost.localdomain) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bag0n-0000LJ-U9; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 05:22:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daiki Ueno To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#24229: 25.1; Can't set EPA program References: <89B49EC8-8E9C-462F-8E0C-9A6ABC7A8C87@tenpoint.co.nz> <87mvkcqzbf.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <4B42E5C1-2FC6-471D-9E68-309B1C9DF1FD@tenpoint.co.nz> <83ziobe80q.fsf@gnu.org> <83pop6dv1x.fsf@gnu.org> <83inuydpcx.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 11:22:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83inuydpcx.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 18 Aug 2016 19:16:30 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24229-done Cc: Glenn Morris , nick@tenpoint.co.nz, 24229-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Glenn Morris >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , nick@tenpoint.co.nz, >> 24229@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:46:52 -0400 >> >> It's not uncommon for the doc of Emacs variables to say: >> >> Setting this variable directly does not have any effect; >> instead use \\[customize] or . >> >> IMO that's all that's needed here too. > > If there's no better way, yes. As I really don't have any better idea, I have took the Glenn's suggestion. Regards, -- Daiki Ueno From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 19 05:40:59 2016 Received: (at 24229-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Aug 2016 09:40:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33879 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bagIN-000852-B7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 05:40:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54797) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bagIM-00084q-0E for 24229-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 05:40:58 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bagIF-00069h-U7 for 24229-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 05:40:52 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44326) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bagI9-00067h-KL; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 05:40:45 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4195 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bagI7-0007Gi-ED; Fri, 19 Aug 2016 05:40:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 12:40:50 +0300 Message-Id: <831t1ldrkt.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Daiki Ueno In-reply-to: (message from Daiki Ueno on Fri, 19 Aug 2016 11:22:42 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#24229: 25.1; Can't set EPA program References: <89B49EC8-8E9C-462F-8E0C-9A6ABC7A8C87@tenpoint.co.nz> <87mvkcqzbf.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <4B42E5C1-2FC6-471D-9E68-309B1C9DF1FD@tenpoint.co.nz> <83ziobe80q.fsf@gnu.org> <83pop6dv1x.fsf@gnu.org> <83inuydpcx.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24229-done Cc: rgm@gnu.org, nick@tenpoint.co.nz, 24229-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) > From: Daiki Ueno > Cc: Glenn Morris , nick@tenpoint.co.nz, 24229-done@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 11:22:42 +0200 > > >> It's not uncommon for the doc of Emacs variables to say: > >> > >> Setting this variable directly does not have any effect; > >> instead use \\[customize] or . > >> > >> IMO that's all that's needed here too. > > > > If there's no better way, yes. > > As I really don't have any better idea, I have took the Glenn's > suggestion. In that case, please also document the special meaning of setting the variable to the same value as the default. I think this special meaning is not self-evident without some explicit documentation. Thanks. From unknown Mon Aug 18 11:15:50 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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