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27 Jul 2016 07:07:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38621 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bSIwC-0007BJ-7T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 03:07:28 -0400 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:35061) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bSIwA-0007B4-8F for 24077-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 03:07:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F86160095; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 00:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id MMlrEB-KL4aS; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 00:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A408161123; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 00:07:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id bQn8f_De3kF1; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 00:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.105.133.74] (unknown [88.128.80.140]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9DB0D160095; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 00:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#24077: VS: bug in MAN page for data command To: Lars Issing Sauer , 24077-done@debbugs.gnu.org References: From: Paul Eggert Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:07:07 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24077-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) On 07/26/2016 09:13 AM, Lars Issing Sauer wrote: > According to the description "%M" is minutes and "%m" is month... but > the command takes "%M" as month and "%m" as minutes ;) Sorry, I don't see any bug here. "date +%M" outputs the current number of minutes past the hour, and "date +%m" outputs the current month number, and that is what is documented. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 27 04:20:35 2016 Received: (at 24077) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jul 2016 08:20:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38664 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bSK4x-0000XV-6L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 04:20:35 -0400 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.131]:59866) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bSK4v-0000XF-8r for 24077@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 04:20:33 -0400 Received: from [10.0.2.15] ([62.153.148.194]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MJawd-1bQwE512Gh-0039BO; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:20:10 +0200 Subject: Re: bug#24077: VS: bug in MAN page for data command To: 24077@debbugs.gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, lsa@logos.dk References: From: Bernhard Voelker Message-ID: <96f47187-f49a-e615-f1c8-6fef96b6fc4a@bernhard-voelker.de> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:20:08 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:4IY7OkUgtSeZB7tMU9aiLoBDs6L9NyIFgrwpmWYd/aEwQtjayyy 8aFF4GNhuYyE66gllkntQ4FCrNGAZHML8PUUSXqf27TEfMYpCO2pmmqR7TPy21xPeBjCcLP 46L4xxOHpSwTsl0nWPOtaZRwwdwWwXHF3w9mUh35yrcAC5+bcrPyPCskzoTWCEwIkMb/M7K Vr8z6Iw4uGNJiqK/qZWHQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:+tRvWqn4Dxc=:VvcJnCUgQoezLiFODByCX+ rMovahlKOMyWgDDkD/m3fmsFmlEdl3ZbJ6qDovG1G0NAI9pO4RqmigsMQMPkdUYgi6BgMGHxe Lm7x993gAya1+/zxd/CDCnpf5L+CS1G7g76x92or9qABgU0b2xuipc9dV+FofGM/5dx4OM9En x82MdsQc7Fb9H0eVL//evHorctBBweU4tHl/kNK0XdN6zriO/EyM/l21XIcphdy+ZPcJmfz2o 7VvQOtk8CcAEaJlDuOeXeZatLiWFkGk/XOdPmefyzuiuyvrJiHevAaBX8KTY33u9Q3C1wWhLk dr2Qo6Z/ioMyQzgRN9TQQDfTNFXyBuoHWE0L3W5QswCrBU84IXKP6+dauU7BDE7LMja+fUpXX qzrLQO3EMZUgpfEDaq1DUlTkCWdvufEW53VCOqDk8C6Pkd+CvL1SeDBWpmxSk1EvUNLAvvpXY Jaefq+6aY4cLU+SwaS67ytUmJCkNlj2iP+e8u0eDuLsF+8Yzd0bMVi+E0T+Ob7SRS3bfQlo62 pIvR1hEYzxpYOPCrElVZz9T5qTgwyBE8n4mW8cKQ3p9JMHJYEXWhpQFgGCZbAJivx1NfW3NGA i964v+2VWVjj5ZC1MsxG2LBKJ6mcqUCPWTUNdfdV230q5TAaZT94E5WReKbJa6ig7fMYQJL7P IpGcgRpwKPCjhXA/ZMXiVKoE0s9T8GcrQCImAczcFsTg1dI2nKhlarFFuz8QCf4af94aeMWP9 LegnTP/hyuvi5ACO X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24077 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) On 07/27/2016 09:07 AM, Paul Eggert wrote: > On 07/26/2016 09:13 AM, Lars Issing Sauer wrote: >> According to the description "%M" is minutes and "%m" is month... but >> the command takes "%M" as month and "%m" as minutes ;) > > Sorry, I don't see any bug here. "date +%M" outputs the current number of minutes > past the hour, and "date +%m" outputs the current month number, and that is what is documented. Hi Paul, I think it's regarding the MM vs. mm in the usage string: $ src/date --help | grep MM or: src/date [-u|--utc|--universal] [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]] __________________________________________^^____^^ $ src/date -u 072710132016 src/date: cannot set date: Operation not permitted Wed Jul 27 10:13:00 UTC 2016 The MM/mm here is inconsistent compared to the %M/%m modifiers. Usage | % mod | meaning ------+-------+-------- MM | %m | month mm | %M | minute Do you agree? Have a nice day, Berny From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 27 05:13:47 2016 Received: (at 24077-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jul 2016 09:13:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38707 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bSKuQ-0001pX-Qf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:13:47 -0400 Received: from mail.magicbluesmoke.com ([82.195.144.49]:53076) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bSKuP-0001pO-2l for 24077-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:13:45 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.80] (unknown [109.76.143.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.magicbluesmoke.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 801CF949C; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:13:43 +0100 (IST) Subject: Re: bug#24077: VS: bug in MAN page for data command To: Bernhard Voelker , 24077-done@debbugs.gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, lsa@logos.dk References: <96f47187-f49a-e615-f1c8-6fef96b6fc4a@bernhard-voelker.de> From: =?UTF-8?Q?P=c3=a1draig_Brady?= Message-ID: <57987B46.20101@draigBrady.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:13:42 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <96f47187-f49a-e615-f1c8-6fef96b6fc4a@bernhard-voelker.de> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040907000603060801070408" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24077-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040907000603060801070408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 27/07/16 09:20, Bernhard Voelker wrote: > On 07/27/2016 09:07 AM, Paul Eggert wrote: >> On 07/26/2016 09:13 AM, Lars Issing Sauer wrote: >>> According to the description "%M" is minutes and "%m" is month... but >>> the command takes "%M" as month and "%m" as minutes ;) >> >> Sorry, I don't see any bug here. "date +%M" outputs the current number of minutes >> past the hour, and "date +%m" outputs the current month number, and that is what is documented. > > Hi Paul, > > I think it's regarding the MM vs. mm in the usage string: > > $ src/date --help | grep MM > or: src/date [-u|--utc|--universal] [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]] > __________________________________________^^____^^ > > $ src/date -u 072710132016 > src/date: cannot set date: Operation not permitted > Wed Jul 27 10:13:00 UTC 2016 > > The MM/mm here is inconsistent compared to the %M/%m modifiers. > > Usage | % mod | meaning > ------+-------+-------- > MM | %m | month > mm | %M | minute > > Do you agree? Yes it's more consistent to match this input representation with the output +FORMATs. I.E. use: [mmddHHMM[[CC]yy][.SS]] It's more natural to use uppercase for larger quantities, but being consistent with +FORMAT trumps that IMHO. Fixed in the attached. thanks Pádraig --------------040907000603060801070408 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="date-synopsis.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="date-synopsis.patch" >From fcc32d0fc4450169f0654980e4c536ce47dd159e Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: =?UTF-8?q?P=C3=A1draig=20Brady?= Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:05:20 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] doc: make date(1) synopsis consistent with output +FORMAT * src/date.c (usage): Make the characters used to summarize the input format, match the output +FORMAT characters. * doc/coreutils.texi (date invocation): Likewise. Fixes http://bugs.gnu.org/24077 --- doc/coreutils.texi | 2 +- src/date.c | 2 +- 2 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/doc/coreutils.texi b/doc/coreutils.texi index 914aec7..b85404b 100644 --- a/doc/coreutils.texi +++ b/doc/coreutils.texi @@ -15018,7 +15018,7 @@ Synopses: @example date [@var{option}]@dots{} [+@var{format}] date [-u|--utc|--universal] @c this avoids a newline in the output -[ MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss] ] +[ mmddHHMM[[CC]yy][.SS] ] @end example @vindex LC_TIME diff --git a/src/date.c b/src/date.c index e73196b..a9a580c 100644 --- a/src/date.c +++ b/src/date.c @@ -122,7 +122,7 @@ usage (int status) { printf (_("\ Usage: %s [OPTION]... [+FORMAT]\n\ - or: %s [-u|--utc|--universal] [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]]\n\ + or: %s [-u|--utc|--universal] [mmddHHMM[[CC]yy][.SS]]\n\ "), program_name, program_name); fputs (_("\ -- 2.5.5 --------------040907000603060801070408-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 27 06:42:04 2016 Received: (at 24077-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jul 2016 10:42:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38758 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bSMHs-0005ak-5b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 06:42:04 -0400 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.13]:53577) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bSMHp-0005aF-KX for 24077-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 06:42:02 -0400 Received: from [10.0.2.15] ([62.153.148.194]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue104) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MD8ge-1bVhGR3fRc-00GY9R; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:41:39 +0200 Subject: Re: bug#24077: VS: bug in MAN page for data command To: =?UTF-8?Q?P=c3=a1draig_Brady?= , 24077-done@debbugs.gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, lsa@logos.dk References: <96f47187-f49a-e615-f1c8-6fef96b6fc4a@bernhard-voelker.de> <57987B46.20101@draigBrady.com> From: Bernhard Voelker Message-ID: <4433178e-ee0d-f79a-0429-d7a3de06154c@bernhard-voelker.de> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:41:36 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; 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Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [100.68.254.135] (ip65-46-187-134.z187-46-65.customer.algx.net [65.46.187.134]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 685B7161193; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 11:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#24077: VS: bug in MAN page for data command To: =?UTF-8?Q?P=c3=a1draig_Brady?= , Bernhard Voelker , 24077-done@debbugs.gnu.org, lsa@logos.dk References: <96f47187-f49a-e615-f1c8-6fef96b6fc4a@bernhard-voelker.de> <57987B46.20101@draigBrady.com> From: Paul Eggert Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:39:56 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <57987B46.20101@draigBrady.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24077-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) On 07/27/2016 05:13 AM, P=C3=A1draig Brady wrote: > > It's more natural to use uppercase for larger quantities, > but being consistent with +FORMAT trumps that IMHO. > No, as it's now inconsistent with similar usage elsewhere, e.g.,=20 'touch', 'NEWS'. Please revert, as this change merely introduces new=20 confusion. The %h and %m etc. syntax is different from that of POSIX=20 'date' strings, that's all. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 27 16:11:16 2016 Received: (at 24077-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jul 2016 20:11:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48498 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bSVAi-0001Xm-IV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:11:16 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:59956) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bSVAg-0001XX-L2 for 24077-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:11:15 -0400 Received: from int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FE3480F6B; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.3.116.179] (ovpn-116-179.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.116.179]) by int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u6RKB7g1027498; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:11:07 -0400 Subject: Re: bug#24077: VS: bug in MAN page for data command To: Paul Eggert , =?UTF-8?Q?P=c3=a1draig_Brady?= , Bernhard Voelker , 24077-done@debbugs.gnu.org, lsa@logos.dk References: <96f47187-f49a-e615-f1c8-6fef96b6fc4a@bernhard-voelker.de> <57987B46.20101@draigBrady.com> From: Eric Blake Openpgp: url=http://people.redhat.com/eblake/eblake.gpg Organization: Red Hat, Inc. Message-ID: <5799155A.9040503@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:11:06 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dfTqgSB39iGiWMRWrOMmAnNiJbnEMsmQq" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.5.11.24 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.27]); Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:11:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24077-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --dfTqgSB39iGiWMRWrOMmAnNiJbnEMsmQq Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1n4bBlTQsSc4Om5lmLsGoSTwOhm4fHEuN" From: Eric Blake To: Paul Eggert , =?UTF-8?Q?P=c3=a1draig_Brady?= , Bernhard Voelker , 24077-done@debbugs.gnu.org, lsa@logos.dk Message-ID: <5799155A.9040503@redhat.com> Subject: Re: bug#24077: VS: bug in MAN page for data command References: <96f47187-f49a-e615-f1c8-6fef96b6fc4a@bernhard-voelker.de> <57987B46.20101@draigBrady.com> In-Reply-To: --1n4bBlTQsSc4Om5lmLsGoSTwOhm4fHEuN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 07/27/2016 12:39 PM, Paul Eggert wrote: > On 07/27/2016 05:13 AM, P=C3=A1draig Brady wrote: >> >> It's more natural to use uppercase for larger quantities, >> but being consistent with +FORMAT trumps that IMHO. >> >=20 > No, as it's now inconsistent with similar usage elsewhere, e.g., > 'touch', 'NEWS'. Please revert, as this change merely introduces new > confusion. The %h and %m etc. syntax is different from that of POSIX > 'date' strings, that's all. As a compromise, can we mention that MMDDhhmm[[CCYY][.ss]] output can be produced by the %m%d%H%M%C%y.%S format, as an additional line of text? --=20 Eric Blake eblake redhat com +1-919-301-3266 Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org --1n4bBlTQsSc4Om5lmLsGoSTwOhm4fHEuN-- --dfTqgSB39iGiWMRWrOMmAnNiJbnEMsmQq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Public key at http://people.redhat.com/eblake/eblake.gpg Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJXmRVaAAoJEKeha0olJ0NqQzwH/jGNVDs0+S0eeZRGibBnSwn3 9iz1DhrnS8YC0gG41HuU75H3Mr2fJP7hZBTXSx/pVGrryknR7DLqTBHq7U2slIlc DcYh1mCJe1tsNHnn1nvTm1DgVtdU5zKLNbngtj5IOa5TJafsyQ3cpiQAsrnEPlao J3/Dn7pFg3anriZWwaVjH0myEYUQuknM2sWToLbZY+jAc59Cg62Px6qI78tTIkPX eGl2Mx9qHeClHaW11CuSbs50YvT9t1RGphbitimAW+yK4VdpsRALKG5bcibBCo0U MiHI8Tln+yWZqzgP3l0bStzcPjV1BtZQ+YLqUoArcJAUgOO75idHyu5DKuCYV/k= =3XUY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dfTqgSB39iGiWMRWrOMmAnNiJbnEMsmQq-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 28 01:27:48 2016 Received: (at 24077-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jul 2016 05:27:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48771 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bSdrI-0008ND-2y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 01:27:48 -0400 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:51443) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bSdrG-0008Mv-Jg for 24077-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 01:27:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF615160E3A; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 22:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id VF2L1tTrCyt4; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 22:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31EEE1601CD; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 22:27:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id DgtZ6MtRf5M7; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 22:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (unknown [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1098F1601A7; Wed, 27 Jul 2016 22:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#24077: VS: bug in MAN page for data command To: Eric Blake , =?UTF-8?Q?P=c3=a1draig_Brady?= , Bernhard Voelker , 24077-done@debbugs.gnu.org, lsa@logos.dk References: <96f47187-f49a-e615-f1c8-6fef96b6fc4a@bernhard-voelker.de> <57987B46.20101@draigBrady.com> <5799155A.9040503@redhat.com> From: Paul Eggert Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 22:27:39 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5799155A.9040503@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24077-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) Eric Blake wrote: > As a compromise, can we mention that MMDDhhmm[[CCYY][.ss]] output can b= e > produced by the %m%d%H%M%C%y.%S format, as an additional line of text? Unfortunately that format does not work when the century is outside the r= ange 00-99. Whatever we do, we should do consistently in 'date' and 'touch' and etc. The POSIX spec uses all lower case, which is confusing in a different way= but is=20 at least standardized. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 28 07:36:04 2016 Received: (at 24077) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jul 2016 11:36:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48885 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bSjbg-0001l9-CQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 07:36:04 -0400 Received: from mail.magicbluesmoke.com ([82.195.144.49]:57310) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bSjbe-0001kk-DX; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 07:36:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.80] (unknown [109.79.104.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.magicbluesmoke.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8A8159493; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:35:57 +0100 (IST) Subject: Re: bug#24077: VS: bug in MAN page for data command To: Paul Eggert , Eric Blake , Bernhard Voelker , 24077@debbugs.gnu.org, lsa@logos.dk References: <96f47187-f49a-e615-f1c8-6fef96b6fc4a@bernhard-voelker.de> <57987B46.20101@draigBrady.com> <5799155A.9040503@redhat.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?P=c3=a1draig_Brady?= Message-ID: <5799EE1B.6050501@draigBrady.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:35:55 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24077 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) tag 24077 wontfix stop On 28/07/16 06:27, Paul Eggert wrote: > Eric Blake wrote: >> As a compromise, can we mention that MMDDhhmm[[CCYY][.ss]] output can be >> produced by the %m%d%H%M%C%y.%S format, as an additional line of text? > > Unfortunately that format does not work when the century is outside the range 00-99. :) > Whatever we do, we should do consistently in 'date' and 'touch' and etc. > The POSIX spec uses all lower case, which is confusing in a different way but is > at least standardized. Well it just a representation of placeholders for numbers. There's nothing "standard" about it. IMHO as long as it's unambiguous it's fine. Though I think overall ambiguity is reduced here, I don't feel strongly about it, so will revert. From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:18:07 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator