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Temporary NEWS markup still in RC

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From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 14:47:46 -0400

Package: emacs

The temporary NEWS markup is still in place in the RC.
It should have been removed, together with a final check that everything
that should be has been documented, and any potential reordering of NEWS
topics.

Also, the final top-level ChangeLog and ChangeLog.2 entries are a bit
messy. The "25.1 released" should be in ChangeLog (at the top), not
ChangeLog.2. Both files have some ";;" entries that should not be there.
"Bump version for RC" should probably just be removed.

(Please review admin/release-process and admin/make-tarball.txt for other
items that may need doing.)

Message #6 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 20:59:50 +0200

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Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

Hi Glenn,

> The temporary NEWS markup is still in place in the RC.
> It should have been removed, together with a final check that everything
> that should be has been documented, and any potential reordering of NEWS
> topics.

Thanks for pointing it out Glenn.

> Also, the final top-level ChangeLog and ChangeLog.2 entries are a bit
> messy. The "25.1 released" should be in ChangeLog (at the top), not
> ChangeLog.2. Both files have some ";;" entries that should not be there.
> "Bump version for RC" should probably just be removed.

I'll take care of that, thank you.

Nico

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Message #9 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 22:01:52 +0300

> From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 14:47:46 -0400
> 
> The temporary NEWS markup is still in place in the RC.
> It should have been removed

Right.

> together with a final check that everything that should be has been
> documented, and any potential reordering of NEWS topics.

This has already been done.  NEWS was not touched since May,
basically.

Message #12 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 21:27:49 +0200

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Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

> The temporary NEWS markup is still in place in the RC.

I remove the temporary marks in the NEWS file (in commit 6bdf687).

I'm leaving this bug open as a reminder for the ChangeLog files.

Nico

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Message #15 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: 24062-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 23:34:32 +0200

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Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Also, the final top-level ChangeLog and ChangeLog.2 entries are a bit
> messy. The "25.1 released" should be in ChangeLog (at the top), not
> ChangeLog.2.

I've cleaned it up for the next RC, I'm now closing this issue.

Cheers,
Nico

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Message #23 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
Cc: 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 12:45:30 -0400

> Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Also, the final top-level ChangeLog and ChangeLog.2 entries are a bit
>> messy. The "25.1 released" should be in ChangeLog (at the top), not
>> ChangeLog.2.

Now AFAICS there is no "25.1 released" ChangeLog entry at all. One could
be added by untarring, editing that one file, and tarring up again. But
perhaps no-one wants/needs it.

Message #26 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 19:01:23 +0200

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Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Now AFAICS there is no "25.1 released" ChangeLog entry at all. One could
> be added by untarring, editing that one file, and tarring up again. But
> perhaps no-one wants/needs it.

Indeed, and we said that we would not modify tarballs in place.  I'll do
it for the next RC or release.

Cheers,
Nico

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Message #29 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 19:07:06 +0200

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Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Now AFAICS there is no "25.1 released" ChangeLog entry at all. One could
> be added by untarring, editing that one file, and tarring up again. But
> perhaps no-one wants/needs it.

I'll send the tarball of the release to emacs-devel before uploading it,
so people can double-check that everything's ok.

Nico

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Message #32 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, nicolas <at> petton.fr
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 20:25:36 +0300

> From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 12:45:30 -0400
> Cc: 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> Now AFAICS there is no "25.1 released" ChangeLog entry at all. One could
> be added by untarring, editing that one file, and tarring up again. But
> perhaps no-one wants/needs it.

I think we need it, and also etc/HISTORY should have one more entry.

Thanks.

Message #35 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: John Wiegley <jwiegley <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, nicolas <at> petton.fr, 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 10:41:13 -0700

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>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> Now AFAICS there is no "25.1 released" ChangeLog entry at all. One could
>> be added by untarring, editing that one file, and tarring up again. But
>> perhaps no-one wants/needs it.

EZ> I think we need it, and also etc/HISTORY should have one more entry.

I agree.

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http://newartisans.com                          60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2

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Message #38 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
To: John Wiegley <jwiegley <at> gmail.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 21:45:07 +0200

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John Wiegley <jwiegley <at> gmail.com> writes:

> EZ> I think we need it, and also etc/HISTORY should have one more entry.
>
> I agree.

Then I can make another pretest, as I do not want to update the existing
tarball.

What do you think?

Nico

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Message #41 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 21:54:58 +0200

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

Hi Eli,

> I think we need it, and also etc/HISTORY should have one more entry.

I don't understand what you mean.  etc/HISTORY has the followyng entry
line 210:

    GNU Emacs 25.1 (2016-08-28) emacs-25.1

Is there something else that is missing?

Cheers,
Nico

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Message #44 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 05:31:23 +0300

> From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
> Cc: 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 21:54:58 +0200
> 
> > I think we need it, and also etc/HISTORY should have one more entry.
> 
> I don't understand what you mean.  etc/HISTORY has the followyng entry
> line 210:
> 
>     GNU Emacs 25.1 (2016-08-28) emacs-25.1

I was looking in the Git repository, where this line is absent.  Now I
see that it is there in the tarball, so nothing is missing, except
that the release tag will not include that line.

Why wasn't that pushed to the repo?

Message #47 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 10:15:19 +0200

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Why wasn't that pushed to the repo?

make-tarball.txt says it's best to wait for the actual release, so I did
not commit it yet.

Cheers,
Nico

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Message #50 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 10:19:41 +0200

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> I was looking in the Git repository, where this line is absent.  Now I
> see that it is there in the tarball, so nothing is missing, except
> that the release tag will not include that line.

Now I see that the ChangeLog I have locally has the following entry:

    2016-08-28  Nicolas Petton  <nicolas <at> petton.fr>

   	* Version 25.1 released.

    See ChangeLog.2 for earlier changes.

So I'm a bit confused, I must have done something wrong, but I can do
another tarball with this (named RC3).  John, Eli, is that what we want?

Cheers,
Nico

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Message #53 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 17:06:58 +0300

> From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
> Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 10:15:19 +0200
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > Why wasn't that pushed to the repo?
> 
> make-tarball.txt says it's best to wait for the actual release, so I did
> not commit it yet.

Our release documentation doesn't really fit the RCn type of
semi-releases.  AFAIR, in the entire history of Emacs since the 1990s,
only one release ever had an RC, all the rest went straight from a
pretest to an official release.  That is why make-tarball.txt says
what it says: it doesn't assume that a non-release tarball can become
a release by just renaming the tarball file without any changes in the
contents and in the repository.

Message #56 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 17:08:07 +0300

> From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
> Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 10:19:41 +0200
> 
> Now I see that the ChangeLog I have locally has the following entry:
> 
>     2016-08-28  Nicolas Petton  <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
> 
>    	* Version 25.1 released.
> 
>     See ChangeLog.2 for earlier changes.
> 
> So I'm a bit confused, I must have done something wrong, but I can do
> another tarball with this (named RC3).  John, Eli, is that what we want?

Making another RC just for ChangeLog changes sounds excessive to me.
I suggest you do that for the final tarball, after we decide to
release 25.1.

Thanks.

Message #59 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 17:12:20 +0200

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Making another RC just for ChangeLog changes sounds excessive to me.
> I suggest you do that for the final tarball, after we decide to
> release 25.1.

Works for me!

Cheers,
Nico

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Message #62 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 01:44:59 -0400

Eli Zaretskii wrote:

> Our release documentation doesn't really fit the RCn type of
> semi-releases.

I think it does, but improvements always welcome.

> AFAIR, in the entire history of Emacs since the 1990s, only one
> release ever had an RC, all the rest went straight from a pretest to
> an official release.

Nope. Every member of the 24 series, and at least most/all of the 23
series had one or more RCs.

Message #65 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
Cc: 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 01:49:52 -0400

Nicolas Petton wrote:

>> Now AFAICS there is no "25.1 released" ChangeLog entry at all. One could
>> be added by untarring, editing that one file, and tarring up again. But
>> perhaps no-one wants/needs it.
>
> Indeed, and we said that we would not modify tarballs in place.  I'll do
> it for the next RC or release.

I did not mean modify a tarfile in place.
I meant what is written in make-tarball:
 
    If you need to change only a file(s) that cannot possibly affect
    the build (README, ChangeLog, NEWS, etc.) then rather than doing
    an entirely new build, it is better to unpack the existing
    tarfile, modify the file(s), and tar it back up again.

    Never replace an existing tarfile!

Ie, don't do a make bootstrap, because that is a more error-prone
process and will change every elc file.

This way, you won't need yet another RC for trivia like this.

You won't be replacing the alpha.gnu tarfile in place, you will just be
uploading a (very slightly) different one to ftp.gnu.org. Ie, the final
release will be (trivially) different to the last RC.

Message #68 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
Cc: 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 01:53:20 -0400

Nicolas Petton wrote:

> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> I was looking in the Git repository, where this line is absent.  Now I
>> see that it is there in the tarball, so nothing is missing, except
>> that the release tag will not include that line.
>
> Now I see that the ChangeLog I have locally has the following entry:
>
>     2016-08-28  Nicolas Petton  <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
>
>    	* Version 25.1 released.
>
>     See ChangeLog.2 for earlier changes.

Nobody's every done a "have a generated ChangeLog" release before.
I tried to adjust the documentation and M-x add-release-logs accordingly.
My idea was that line would be in the tarfile in (non-versioned)
ChangeLog, and not committed (to ChangeLog.2) till the actual release.
This is basically how it used to work when the ChangeLog was versioned,
just with a slight tweak of having to move the entry to a different file.

Message #71 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 10:18:58 +0200

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Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Ie, don't do a make bootstrap, because that is a more error-prone
> process and will change every elc file.
>
> This way, you won't need yet another RC for trivia like this.
>
> You won't be replacing the alpha.gnu tarfile in place, you will just be
> uploading a (very slightly) different one to ftp.gnu.org. Ie, the final
> release will be (trivially) different to the last RC.

You mean uploading it under a different name, like
emacs-25.1-rc3.tar.xz, right?

Cheers,
Nico

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Message #74 received at 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 24062 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#24062: Temporary NEWS markup still in RC
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 10:25:25 +0200

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Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Nobody's every done a "have a generated ChangeLog" release before.
> I tried to adjust the documentation and M-x add-release-logs accordingly.
> My idea was that line would be in the tarfile in (non-versioned)
> ChangeLog, and not committed (to ChangeLog.2) till the actual release.

That's exactly what I intended to do, but obviously I did something wrong
in the process.

Cheers,
Nico

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