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This is non-intuitive behavior. The file name does not have quotes unless quotes have been used in the filename. The coreutil ls has been updated to default to this new behavior. This behavior should not be foisted on users but users should be allowed to choose whether they want to OPT IN. Debian and Ubuntu distros have already reverted. Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): coreutils-8.25-5.fc24.x86_64 How reproducible: Fresh install of Fedora 24. All the time. Steps to Reproduce: 1. > "File with spaces.txt" 2. ls Actual results: 'File with spaces.txt' Expected results: File with spaces.txt Additional info: This is a core expectation. The filename we see should be the same as the filename in use. We do not require additional tools to help us identify what is a complete filename and what is not. ESPECIALLY in the terminal session where the user is expected to be versant in POSIX. If the user needs hand-holding, they can use the GUI tools like Dolphin or Konqueror. Note - neither of these tools shows 'quotes' around files with space in the name. Neither does Windows. Neither does Mac OS. Please revert. Please instruct coreutils developers to revert. Please set any defaults required to not show the quotes. The user should not have to discover there is no error. E.g. I downloaded an MP3 file today with spaces. I saw the single quotes and immediately thought there was a problem in firefox naming the file on download. This is insane. --001a114fe8b88977880536d34227 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Description of problem:
Terminal sessions display quote= s for files with spaces in them. This is non-intuitive behavior. The file n= ame does not have quotes unless quotes have been used in the filename. The = coreutil ls has been updated to default to this new behavior. This behavior= should not be foisted on users but users should be allowed to choose wheth= er they want to OPT IN. Debian and Ubuntu distros have already reverted.

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): core= utils-8.25-5.fc24.x86_64


How reproducible:
Fresh install of F= edora 24. All the time.


Steps to Reproduce:
1. > "Fil= e with spaces.txt"
2. ls

Actual results:
'File with s= paces.txt'

Expected results:
File with spaces.txt

Addi= tional info:
This is a core expectation. The filename we see should be t= he same as the filename in use. We do not require additional tools to help = us identify what is a complete filename and what is not. ESPECIALLY in the = terminal session where the user is expected to be versant in POSIX. If the = user needs hand-holding, they can use the GUI tools like Dolphin or Konquer= or. Note - neither of these tools shows 'quotes' around files with = space in the name. Neither does Windows. Neither does Mac OS.

Please= revert. Please instruct coreutils developers to revert. Please set any def= aults required to not show the quotes. The user should not have to discover= there is no error.

E.g. I downloaded an MP3 file today with spaces.= I saw the single quotes and immediately thought there was a problem in fir= efox naming the file on download.

This is insane.

--001a114fe8b88977880536d34227-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 04 16:19:05 2016 Received: (at 23896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2016 20:19:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37430 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bKAKe-0003R3-SA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 16:19:05 -0400 Received: from mail.magicbluesmoke.com ([82.195.144.49]:39297) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bKAKd-0003Qu-AO for 23896@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 16:19:03 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.80] (unknown [109.77.186.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.magicbluesmoke.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1014A949C; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 21:19:02 +0100 (IST) Subject: Re: bug#23896: ls incorrectly shows quotes when listing file names with spaces To: Shamim Islam , 23896@debbugs.gnu.org References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?P=c3=a1draig_Brady?= Message-ID: <577AC4B5.503@draigBrady.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 21:19:01 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23896 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On 04/07/16 19:11, Shamim Islam wrote: > Description of problem: > Terminal sessions display quotes for files with spaces in them. This is > non-intuitive behavior. The file name does not have quotes unless quotes > have been used in the filename. The coreutil ls has been updated to default > to this new behavior. This behavior should not be foisted on users but > users should be allowed to choose whether they want to OPT IN. Debian and > Ubuntu distros have already reverted. > > > Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): > coreutils-8.25-5.fc24.x86_64 > > > How reproducible: > Fresh install of Fedora 24. All the time. > > > Steps to Reproduce: > 1. > "File with spaces.txt" > 2. ls > > Actual results: > 'File with spaces.txt' > > Expected results: > File with spaces.txt > > Additional info: > This is a core expectation. The filename we see should be the same as the > filename in use. Ideally yes. However there are lots of cases where this is already not the case. I.E. ls already only showed a representation of the real name, with ? being shown for certain characters etc. By using the current format, the output from ls can now always be copy/pasted to other commands. Also using quotes can disambiguate files with spaces when listed 'side by' side. Also quotes help protect users from copy and pasting dangerous file names. > We do not require additional tools to help us identify > what is a complete filename and what is not. ESPECIALLY in the terminal > session where the user is expected to be versant in POSIX. If the user > needs hand-holding, they can use the GUI tools like Dolphin or Konqueror. > Note - neither of these tools shows 'quotes' around files with space in the > name. Neither does Windows. Neither does Mac OS. > > Please revert. Please instruct coreutils developers to revert. Please set > any defaults required to not show the quotes. The user should not have to > discover there is no error. > > E.g. I downloaded an MP3 file today with spaces. I saw the single quotes > and immediately thought there was a problem in firefox naming the file on > download. > > This is insane. I can't see any argument from you for _why_ this should be changed back. As far as I can see, this didn't cause an actual functional issue for you. You just weren't expecting the change. We did carefully consider the change, and the reason we set that default was to have the safer and less ambiguous output used by default. Changing back to the previous behavior is just a matter of adding -N to your ls alias which shouldn't be too onerous. thanks, Pádraig. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 05 05:20:54 2016 Received: (at 23896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jul 2016 09:20:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37715 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bKMXG-0001gH-8l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 05:20:54 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:58645) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bKMXF-0001g5-A0 for 23896@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 05:20:53 -0400 Received: from zappa.ga.local ([87.128.112.108]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Ldq55-1bk2EZ43FL-00j3wo; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 11:20:45 +0200 From: Ruediger Meier To: =?utf-8?q?P=C3=A1draig_Brady?= Subject: Re: bug#23896: ls incorrectly shows quotes when listing file names with spaces Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 11:20:42 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <577AC4B5.503@draigBrady.com> In-Reply-To: <577AC4B5.503@draigBrady.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201607051120.43252.sweet_f_a@gmx.de> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:vAlVf1Z3MiMzLSkCifU5aSTecs4NUBZFE2F+lzCB+Zs1hiHlPq+ 9TxldpKyyij6Yixlk1CzMG5apryYjcGhATZegZMb1l5gNr7FGaga+F8a8sE8B2l3FJhvaYA 5rEhrUih2xY6fhfmCCzPYQvTeDEzhTpeQTAUlFUlf4t2V9mb4+L7og+pKN2QQpN006+148M 6TvWpp6O62S3/NMs20ESQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Esa3Uj+jr/Y=:LI0gmChbhM7jxvPTBAuh2/ UKdeftBC+us2AZC4gz0t292HXKqvVJvm4EXNdGi5GQCBgzzjNISsF5OADDelhw+EYrrFrpk3q p5KkkwN2RIqggxyIaS8D6esc4G7uwZJJH+ta/zOipAWo09tqVHw1qvJe9l/WKVzefDDZmMqsp b+AkkhC142cYN5kGHBsfOtPqU+cBWEvIjhVJIt6YiKrtozJhDDqx7dCIjuheRM+34QnhojME3 p6dspNYggQ3mUBC3pjanyJMagIXQ3yBqU3xcsGsl6MQfQSv8o5nWa/aSqWybywdR6D6Jod82P Rw3EvFe4+GP+8Guzj7dNu6ZuPyR+41ROej4K3ircELwTtTabNTQhb6K9Hj5ZQKcwlyKVbfBSE T3hwYABUoUK5fgY3e4osaU/BOJCbo8zc9OTObO9glPczNI6Vi3Ui3PJOeGjc9iRkaShNhMxjw BmOlxaquT9v5SeHbEL0rpZYHzNiP34XPaNEMChTmDPFNQm9RB4eoTIoZuPipuWt7ZQVAJYkDr L0gZMIVtxgtRkRhiTilPDYufD0ssIFXj6eMzCT5yqHF5WbpfeS0GkGXHklAdxf5To4LbXmkV8 qEPvGXLuF4HP6nL6IgtsadRFmI3IcVLNTS8MWykhLZYETS4vP9beyPawQpM5XEQvvi6vBLOJ4 0p2dj+Qodn909bbVymT5Bnjvb+sVpFtRwR7Cerh5brQbezP3UJ/42o5e50+HIbgHYWAYolpm1 lXNGUuKx5WdMpXc7IA0ToEzD4v3yjTGcXLsOGLn9sEWxZ408YSO0NTayhzI= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23896 Cc: Shamim Islam , 23896@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Monday 04 July 2016, P=C3=A1draig Brady wrote: > On 04/07/16 19:11, Shamim Islam wrote: > > Description of problem: > > Terminal sessions display quotes for files with spaces in them. > > This is non-intuitive behavior. The file name does not have quotes > > unless quotes have been used in the filename. The coreutil ls has > > been updated to default to this new behavior. This behavior should > > not be foisted on users but users should be allowed to choose > > whether they want to OPT IN. Debian and Ubuntu distros have already > > reverted. > > > > > > Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): > > coreutils-8.25-5.fc24.x86_64 > > > > > > How reproducible: > > Fresh install of Fedora 24. All the time. > > > > > > Steps to Reproduce: > > 1. > "File with spaces.txt" > > 2. ls > > > > Actual results: > > 'File with spaces.txt' > > > > Expected results: > > File with spaces.txt > > > > Additional info: > > This is a core expectation. The filename we see should be the same > > as the filename in use. > > Ideally yes. > However there are lots of cases where this is already not the case. > I.E. ls already only showed a representation of the real name, > with ? being shown for certain characters etc. > By using the current format, the output from ls can now always be > copy/pasted to other commands. Also using quotes can disambiguate > files with spaces when listed 'side by' side. Also quotes help > protect users from copy and pasting dangerous file names. > > > We do not require additional tools to help us identify > > what is a complete filename and what is not. ESPECIALLY in the > > terminal session where the user is expected to be versant in POSIX. > > If the user needs hand-holding, they can use the GUI tools like > > Dolphin or Konqueror. Note - neither of these tools shows 'quotes' > > around files with space in the name. Neither does Windows. Neither > > does Mac OS. > > > > Please revert. Please instruct coreutils developers to revert. > > Please set any defaults required to not show the quotes. The user > > should not have to discover there is no error. > > > > E.g. I downloaded an MP3 file today with spaces. I saw the single > > quotes and immediately thought there was a problem in firefox > > naming the file on download. > > > > This is insane. > > I can't see any argument from you for _why_ this should be changed > back. Because coreutils' ls is now the only existing ls which behaves that=20 stupid. Any GUI filebrowser or whatever other program would show the=20 file name as is. Just coreutils ls will print something else... People who add spaces or whatever strange characters to their file names=20 probably want to _see_ these "nice looking file names". Adding strange=20 escape sequences and quotes is most likely not what they want to see. > As far as I can see, this didn't cause an actual functional=20 > issue for you. You just weren't expecting the change. We did > carefully consider the change, and the reason we set that default was > to have the safer and less ambiguous output used by default.=20 You added a new kind of quoting style and even enabled it by default=20 within the same patch-set. No user on earth was able to test the new=20 quoting style nor anybody had asked you to make it the default. I don't=20 see that it was "carefully considered". > Changing back to the previous behavior is just a matter of adding -N > to your ls alias which shouldn't be too onerous. It would be also no problem to add the quoting style to the alias if=20 wanted. 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[184.68.105.38]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id v15sm4412937pfn.94.2018.12.13.12.25.23 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:25:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#23896: ls incorrectly shows quotes when listing file names with spaces To: Ruediger Meier References: <577AC4B5.503@draigBrady.com> <201607051120.43252.sweet_f_a@gmx.de> From: Assaf Gordon Message-ID: <27e70436-d324-f58a-6d03-302a6459b473@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 13:25:22 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201607051120.43252.sweet_f_a@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23896-done Cc: Shamim Islam , 23896-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello, On 2016-07-05 3:20 a.m., Ruediger Meier wrote: > On Monday 04 July 2016, Pádraig Brady wrote: >> On 04/07/16 19:11, Shamim Islam wrote: >>> Description of problem: >>> Terminal sessions display quotes for files with spaces in them. >>> This is non-intuitive behavior. The file name does not have quotes >>> unless quotes have been used in the filename. The coreutil ls has >>> been updated to default to this new behavior. This behavior should >>> not be foisted on users but users should be allowed to choose >>> whether they want to OPT IN. Debian and Ubuntu distros have already >>> reverted. >>> We created a summary of common issues and FAQs regarding the quoting change in ls(1): https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/quotes.html If there is an issue that is not addressed there, please send an email to coreutils@gnu.org . regards, - assaf From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:28:48 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:24:10 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator