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define-abbrevs - property args not accessible

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From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: define-abbrevs - property args not accessible
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 10:12:58 +0200

`define-abbrevs' comes with an option to use case-sensitivabbreviations. 
Nice, thanks.

However don't see a way to specify this '(:case-fixed t)froma command.

Neither `add-global-abbrev' nor `add-mode-abbrev' offer a slot.
What about having customizable vars for this, which are taken when set?

;;;;;;

GNU Emacs 25.0.95.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.5) of 2016-06-12

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From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23891: define-abbrevs - property args not accessible
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 10:44:00 +0200

Please read `define-abbrev', singular.


On 04.07.2016 10:12, Andreas Röhler wrote:
> `define-abbrevs' comes with an option to use 
> case-sensitivabbreviations. Nice, thanks.
>
> However don't see a way to specify this '(:case-fixed t)froma command.
>
> Neither `add-global-abbrev' nor `add-mode-abbrev' offer a slot.
> What about having customizable vars for this, which are taken when set?
>
> ;;;;;;
>
> GNU Emacs 25.0.95.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.5) of 
> 2016-06-12
>
>
>
>

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From: npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net
To: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
Cc: 23891 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23891: define-abbrevs - property args not accessible
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 21:56:05 -0400

Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de> writes:

>> `define-abbrev' comes with an option to use
>> case-sensitive abbreviations. Nice, thanks.
>>
>> However don't see a way to specify this '(:case-fixed t)from a command.
>>
>> Neither `add-global-abbrev' nor `add-mode-abbrev' offer a slot.
>> What about having customizable vars for this, which are taken when set?

It seems `edit-abbrevs' also lacks support for properties: an abbrev
defined with :case-fixed via `define-abbrev' does not show up with an
indicator in the *Abbrevs* buffer, and when saving the propery is
removed.

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From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
To: npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net
Cc: 23891 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23891: define-abbrevs - property args not accessible
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 09:18:35 +0200

On 05.07.2016 03:56, npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net wrote:
> Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de> writes:
>
>>> `define-abbrev' comes with an option to use
>>> case-sensitive abbreviations. Nice, thanks.
>>>
>>> However don't see a way to specify this '(:case-fixed t)from a command.
>>>
>>> Neither `add-global-abbrev' nor `add-mode-abbrev' offer a slot.
>>> What about having customizable vars for this, which are taken when set?
> It seems `edit-abbrevs' also lacks support for properties: an abbrev
> defined with :case-fixed via `define-abbrev' does not show up with an
> indicator in the *Abbrevs* buffer, and when saving the propery is
> removed.

Thanks for your care. Beside there was also slowness reported - and 
still experienced:

http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=14518#29

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From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
To: npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net
Cc: 23891 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23891: define-abbrevs - property args not accessible
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 09:55:49 +0200

On 05.07.2016 03:56, npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net wrote:
> Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de> writes:
>
>>> `define-abbrev' comes with an option to use
>>> case-sensitive abbreviations. Nice, thanks.
>>>
>>> However don't see a way to specify this '(:case-fixed t)from a command.
>>>
>>> Neither `add-global-abbrev' nor `add-mode-abbrev' offer a slot.
>>> What about having customizable vars for this, which are taken when set?
> It seems `edit-abbrevs' also lacks support for properties: an abbrev
> defined with :case-fixed via `define-abbrev' does not show up with an
> indicator in the *Abbrevs* buffer, and when saving the propery is
> removed.

Here still an example how the matter showed up:

The abbrev-expansion by default works like this:

tlb -> the london bridge

tLB -> the London Bridge

The limitations are obvious: the abbreviation needs to represent any 
word of the expansion text. No way to define:

tLB -> Let's work that afternoon over the London Bridge.

Message #20 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23891: define-abbrevs - property args not accessible
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 10:24:23 +0200

On 06.07.2016 09:55, Andreas Röhler wrote:
>
> The limitations are obvious: the abbreviation needs to represent any 
> word of the expansion text. No way to define:
>
> tLB -> Let's work that afternoon over the London Bridge.
>
>
>
>

The latter should read

No way to define:

tLB -> Let's work that afternoon over the London Bridge.

and

tlb -> Something interesting too

in parallel

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