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24.5; assoc-string with CASE-FOLD may fail

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From: ynyaaa <at> gmail.com
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.5; assoc-string with CASE-FOLD may fail
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 21:01:03 +0900

`assoc-string' called with non-nil CASE-FOLD argument may fail to match
with downcased key.

(let (l)
  (dotimes (c (max-char))
    (or (let ((s (string c)))
          (assoc-string (downcase s) (list s) t))
        (setq l (cons c l))))
  l)
=>(497 458 455 452)



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Message #8 received at 23833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net>
To: ynyaaa <at> gmail.com
Cc: 23833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23833: 24.5; assoc-string with CASE-FOLD may fail
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 08:26:22 -0400

assoc-string uses compare-strings, which uses upcase to ignore case,
but upcase is not always the inverse of downcase:

(upcase (downcase "DZ")) ;=> "Dz"
;; Or to put it another way
(= (upcase (downcase ?\u01F1)) ?\u01F2) ;=> t

Same behaviour seen in emacs-25 and master

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 of 2016-06-18 built on zony
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Message #13 received at 23833-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net>
Cc: ynyaaa <at> gmail.com, 23833-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23833: 24.5; assoc-string with CASE-FOLD may fail
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 18:11:34 +0300

> From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net>
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 08:26:22 -0400
> Cc: 23833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> assoc-string uses compare-strings, which uses upcase to ignore case,
> but upcase is not always the inverse of downcase:
> 
> (upcase (downcase "DZ")) ;=> "Dz"
> ;; Or to put it another way
> (= (upcase (downcase ?\u01F1)) ?\u01F2) ;=> t
> 
> Same behaviour seen in emacs-25 and master

Thanks.

This is a documentation issue: both 'assoc-string' and
'compare-strings' had inaccuracies in their doc strings.  I fixed this
on the emacs-25 branch, and I'm marking this bug done.

Message #16 received at 23833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: ynyaaa <at> gmail.com, 23833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23833: 24.5; assoc-string with CASE-FOLD may fail
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 11:53:00 -0400

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:
>> From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net>
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 08:26:22 -0400
>> Cc: 23833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>
>> assoc-string uses compare-strings, which uses upcase to ignore case,
>> but upcase is not always the inverse of downcase:
>>
>> (upcase (downcase "DZ")) ;=> "Dz"
>> ;; Or to put it another way
>> (= (upcase (downcase ?\u01F1)) ?\u01F2) ;=> t
>>
>> Same behaviour seen in emacs-25 and master
>
> Thanks.
>
> This is a documentation issue: both 'assoc-string' and
> 'compare-strings' had inaccuracies in their doc strings.  I fixed this
> on the emacs-25 branch, and I'm marking this bug done.

Would it not make more sense if upcase converted dz into DZ? According
to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dz_(digraph)#Unicode Dz is the "title
case" form, not upper case form. Or is this something that depends on
locale?

Message #19 received at 23833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net>
Cc: ynyaaa <at> gmail.com, 23833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23833: 24.5; assoc-string with CASE-FOLD may fail
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:19:09 +0300

> From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net>
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 11:53:00 -0400
> Cc: ynyaaa <at> gmail.com, 23833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> Would it not make more sense if upcase converted dz into DZ?

We want to go by what UnicodeData.txt says:

  01F1;LATIN CAPITAL LETTER DZ;Lu;0;L;<compat> 0044 005A;;;;N;;;;01F3;01F2
  01F2;LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D WITH SMALL LETTER Z;Lt;0;L;<compat> 0044 007A;;;;N;;;01F1;01F3;01F2
  01F3;LATIN SMALL LETTER DZ;Ll;0;L;<compat> 0064 007A;;;;N;;;01F1;;01F2

The problem here is that both DZ and Dz name dz as their lower-case
variant, and Emacs can only have one pair.  So we chose the other one
for the upcase conversion.  We could switch them, but one of them will
necessarily be lost, this way or another.

Message #22 received at 23833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net
Cc: ynyaaa <at> gmail.com, 23833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23833: 24.5; assoc-string with CASE-FOLD may fail
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 22:25:53 +0300

> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:19:09 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: ynyaaa <at> gmail.com, 23833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net>
> > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 11:53:00 -0400
> > Cc: ynyaaa <at> gmail.com, 23833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > 
> > Would it not make more sense if upcase converted dz into DZ?
> 
> We want to go by what UnicodeData.txt says:
> 
>   01F1;LATIN CAPITAL LETTER DZ;Lu;0;L;<compat> 0044 005A;;;;N;;;;01F3;01F2
>   01F2;LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D WITH SMALL LETTER Z;Lt;0;L;<compat> 0044 007A;;;;N;;;01F1;01F3;01F2
>   01F3;LATIN SMALL LETTER DZ;Ll;0;L;<compat> 0064 007A;;;;N;;;01F1;;01F2
> 
> The problem here is that both DZ and Dz name dz as their lower-case
> variant, and Emacs can only have one pair.  So we chose the other one
> for the upcase conversion.  We could switch them, but one of them will
> necessarily be lost, this way or another.

On second thought, I think you are right, and swapping the pairs will
yield better results, so I've just did that on master for these and a
few other similar characters.

Of course, this doesn't resolve the original issue in any way, since
characters that have title-case will still fail the OP's test.

Thanks.

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