From unknown Fri Aug 15 14:18:19 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#23799 <23799@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#23799 <23799@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 25.0.90; Replying "no" to send bug report means you cannot later send it Reply-To: bug#23799 <23799@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 21:18:19 +0000 retitle 23799 25.0.90; Replying "no" to send bug report means you cannot la= ter send it reassign 23799 emacs submitter 23799 Drew Adams severity 23799 minor tag 23799 fixed thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 18 20:13:20 2016 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jun 2016 00:13:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45499 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bEQMa-0004Qq-7H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:13:20 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33403) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bEQMY-0004Qe-BM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:13:18 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEQMQ-00046s-29 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:13:13 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,XPRIO autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:41907) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEQMP-00046X-VE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:13:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52578) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEQML-0007DZ-EF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:13:08 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEQME-00041B-7D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:13:04 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:33237) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEQMD-000417-Ta for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:12:58 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u5J0Cu1d009352 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 00:12:57 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u5J0Cu5R029596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 00:12:56 GMT Received: from abhmp0010.oracle.com (abhmp0010.oracle.com [141.146.116.16]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u5J0CsMH021933 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 00:12:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:12:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.0.90; Replying "no" to send bug report means you cannot later send it X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) emacs -Q Hit C-c C-c to send a bug report, then reply "no", perhaps because you want to change something before submitting the report. Now try C-c C-c again. You get an error/message saying: message-send: No methods specified to send by That's presumably because you never got to the part of the dialog where it asks you how to send the message. This is a bug. Just because you used C-c C-c and chose not to send the message yet is not a reason to no longer give you a means to specify the "method to send by". This happens regardless of whether you have changed the "To:" field - e.g., in response to this message in *Bug Help*: You invoked the command M-x report-emacs-bug, but you decided not to mail the bug report to the Emacs maintainers. If you want to mail it to someone else instead, please insert the proper e-mail address after "To: ", and send the mail again using C-c C-c. And perhaps the message about not having specified a mail method should be incorporated into *Bug Help*? It seems that this part of dialoguing with the user (what happens if s?he says "no") has not been thought through well enough and tested well enough. In GNU Emacs 25.0.90.4 (i686-w64-mingw32) of 2016-03-20 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --host=3Di686-w64-mingw32 --without-dbus --without-compress-install CFLAGS=3D-static' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 28 07:48:42 2019 Received: (at 23799) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jul 2019 11:48:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45842 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hrhfO-0005vb-AJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Jul 2019 07:48:42 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:54544) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hrhfM-0005vR-Eo for 23799@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Jul 2019 07:48:41 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hrhfI-0003dS-0e; Sun, 28 Jul 2019 13:48:38 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#23799: 25.0.90; Replying "no" to send bug report means you cannot later send it References: Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 13:48:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:12:47 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <877e82crcc.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > Hit C-c C-c to send a bug report, then reply "no", perhaps because you > want to change something before submitting the report. > > Now try C-c C-c again. > > You get an error/message saying: > > me [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23799 Cc: 23799@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams writes: > Hit C-c C-c to send a bug report, then reply "no", perhaps because you > want to change something before submitting the report. > > Now try C-c C-c again. > > You get an error/message saying: > > message-send: No methods specified to send by It looks like this puzzling behaviour is because of this puzzling code: (goto-char (point-min)) (if (search-forward "To: ") (delete-region (point) (line-end-position))) (if report-emacs-bug-send-hook (kill-local-variable report-emacs-bug-send-hook)) Which was introduced by the patch below, apparently, which doesn't say anything about why it's removing the To: header or why it's removing the hook (you don't get any queries the second time around, either). Hm... Oh! I didn't even notice that when you type "no", it switches out the help buffer text: (with-output-to-temp-buffer "*Bug Help*" (princ (substitute-command-keys (format "\ You invoked the command M-x report-emacs-bug, but you decided not to mail the bug report to the Emacs maintainers. If you want to mail it to someone else instead, please insert the proper e-mail address after \"To: \", and send the mail again%s." So the intention here is that if you say "no", then you're never ever going to send the message to the Emacs maintainers. I think that's a pretty unexpected thing to infer from just the "no". I've now removed that code that removes the To and the hook, which then allows the user to change their minds. commit fe1d8b33cbeadad8cd9c186553ecf87b8bbf314d Author: Kenichi Handa Date: Tue Jul 15 08:23:58 1997 +0000 (report-emacs-bug-run-tersely): New variable (report-emacs-bug): Insert warnings for novice usres in *mail* buffer. Set enable-multibyte-characters to nil. (report-emacs-bug-hook): Check non-English letters. Confirm about sending a report to FSF. diff --git a/lisp/mail/emacsbug.el b/lisp/mail/emacsbug.el --- a/lisp/mail/emacsbug.el +++ b/lisp/mail/emacsbug.el @@ -150,1 +187,11 @@ - (error "No text entered in bug report")))) + (if (or report-emacs-bug-run-tersely + (yes-or-no-p + "Do you surely send this mail to Free Software Foundation? ")) + ;; Just send the current mail. + nil + (goto-char (point-min)) + (if (search-forward "To: ") + (let ((pos (point))) + (end-of-line) + (delete-region pos (point)))) + (kill-local-variable 'mail-send-hook) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 11 22:20:43 2020 Received: (at 23799) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Aug 2020 02:20:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42303 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k5gNf-0001Hm-K2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 22:20:43 -0400 Received: from mail-yb1-f171.google.com ([209.85.219.171]:39232) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k5gNc-0001HJ-OL for 23799@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 22:20:41 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f171.google.com with SMTP id q16so536016ybk.6 for <23799@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 19:20:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=L2RkF3NMoZyLsIv92AIBRLE6lCb+IHKSVxWSNtaXINw=; b=oC7GwXFJTqTlXke+BSNPl9ifhh3LIqSwXOe8mlyEW1Jl/9AaQY1fKaI8cCqi+adsuI iC/xAVynhUvNWcDP5Z+gIP38g5FnZJ01GhHWTr+85OIb9t/XyYiPDEzZHQM7RPndapKA yw++BL2KIohfzR7zbYCZhRAUsrhxhKwuSd5GG7GcrWRVdvxq4HPXQs1HIyUClOJH7x5p D65hXd97HBac71RV22e3L7lC8PaC2eqND4FbAhoI3r3rfr/7BH6RoZMnfcunSjt2LjxS JuIgRWZgKl+/TUfuJnSFxqtPkyA5V9rXWdd2i4wvykBv/+g109KSfamwYNDTRdb+5MIQ DXTw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532dP7I498GMuYh0NbFES2su3FDiM7ca7Zn2MWRw8O3TVtUQqngy eq5hWTujH6+r12Cavkk+zaFTLy41uxph9nyCb6E= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwaoY7VtJtqJ8/OwRY097NRh1TuXbs3MR5r7PKkVOP5vjKIbY3gQiwhz8vjxaNS7VAdXRql5iSuE6xEJPGn+aw= X-Received: by 2002:a5b:508:: with SMTP id o8mr29051019ybp.43.1597198835379; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 19:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 19:20:35 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <877e82crcc.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 28 Jul 2019 13:48:35 +0200") References: <877e82crcc.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 19:20:35 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#23799: 25.0.90; Replying "no" to send bug report means you cannot later send it To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23799 Cc: 23799@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I've now removed that code that removes the To and the hook, which then > allows the user to change their minds. Does commit 3806ddcb76 mean that this should also be closed, or is there anything more to do here? Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 12 06:54:38 2020 Received: (at 23799) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Aug 2020 10:54:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43013 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k5oP0-0002Y6-2l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 06:54:38 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:43588) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k5oOy-0002Xr-AZ for 23799@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 06:54:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=hwt+DTOrVKLczDWPxmTb0Fmd6DHbUW2eaAF5oaB55zE=; b=N8ppOloVbGx0Lu+PvNmVpmP+T8 mJXr2Gp4c+c0d7MZVuZ7RoO57LVn6ALcRK+4PbTSGNXdW+FZoPh1KAO2TvK960CcSYkHvRFVQpMYF 640kYcRz5QzXjBHsYXzrj/l8KK5oRDoQ/g4KeXD02MDPdv0yO8rjgKlG91NQb1WNP+uA=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k5oOp-0008AP-Ou; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 12:54:30 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#23799: 25.0.90; Replying "no" to send bug report means you cannot later send it References: <877e82crcc.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 12:54:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Tue, 11 Aug 2020 19:20:35 -0700") Message-ID: <87o8ngp21p.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> I've now removed that code that removes the To and the hook, which then >> allows the user to change their minds. > > Does commit 3806ddcb76 mean that [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23799 Cc: 23799@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> I've now removed that code that removes the To and the hook, which then >> allows the user to change their minds. > > Does commit 3806ddcb76 mean that this should also be closed, or is there > anything more to do here? I think that was all, so I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 12 06:54:43 2020 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Aug 2020 10:54:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43016 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k5oP5-0002YO-Gt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 06:54:43 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:43602) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k5oP4-0002Xz-6K for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 06:54:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=JngRyGWXfeqTCx9EA6MDLKXCFa2+8kMQBUeEsNxp3qM=; b=uH9+dnaoT1J3xCN54zG7q8r905 mTcSUArKN+8diI0wFMWzaZZldFxRyAM+nIhX8bofDBOzp/314KlXEw6kjzcE5thweN3/lQZNSpQmW 0G9N1OWpvKSPebU1Dzq0Y5cPPthQKsm2AS94I70UcCKsO0VwQkg0p6PHjiW6oHNzPoI0=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k5oOw-0008Ag-BI for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 12:54:36 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 12:54:33 +0200 Message-Id: <87mu30p21i.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #23799 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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