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When this change has been propesed back in 2014¹, the main concern was that back then the function behaved a bit differently from the old one in certain situations. This has since been changed by a [687e0e1: “Make ‘cycle-spacing’ behave more like ‘just-one-space’ if colled once.”] commit. ¹ https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-01/msg02183.html --- etc/NEWS | 6 ++++++ lisp/bindings.el | 2 +- 2 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) Unless there are objections, I’ll submit this in a week. I’ve CC’d everyone who was involved in the original thread. diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS index d8583cf..1041239 100644 --- a/etc/NEWS +++ b/etc/NEWS @@ -187,6 +187,12 @@ questions, with a handy way to display help texts. 'undo', undo the last replacement; bound to 'u'. 'undo-all', undo all replacements; bound to 'U'. +** M-SPC is now bound to 'cycle-spacing'. +When called once, 'cycle-spacing' behaves the same way +'just-one-space' does so this change should not disturb any old +habits. When pressed multiple times it manipulate whitespace around +point in a smart way giving user more editing powers. + * Changes in Specialized Modes and Packages in Emacs 25.2 diff --git a/lisp/bindings.el b/lisp/bindings.el index c13f4b1..cf9aaf3 100644 --- a/lisp/bindings.el +++ b/lisp/bindings.el @@ -807,7 +807,7 @@ esc-map (define-key esc-map "\\" 'delete-horizontal-space) (define-key esc-map "m" 'back-to-indentation) (define-key ctl-x-map "\C-o" 'delete-blank-lines) -(define-key esc-map " " 'just-one-space) +(define-key esc-map " " 'cycle-spacing) (define-key esc-map "z" 'zap-to-char) (define-key esc-map "=" 'count-words-region) (define-key ctl-x-map "=" 'what-cursor-position) -- 2.8.0.rc3.226.g39d4020 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 17 16:22:41 2016 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jun 2016 20:22:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44542 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bE0Hl-0006rr-Mr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:22:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38768) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bE0Hg-0006rb-GD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:22:36 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bE0HX-0004qU-5z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:22:27 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:57543) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bE0HX-0004qH-3N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:22:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57924) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bE0HS-0007GE-96 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:22:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bE0HN-0004p9-HQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:22:17 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44029) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bE0Gx-0004gK-0W; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:21:47 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4667 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bE0Gj-0000HK-TL; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:21:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:22:34 +0300 Message-Id: <83inx7bm5x.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Michal Nazarewicz In-reply-to: <1466194336-23967-1-git-send-email-mina86@mina86.com> (message from Michal Nazarewicz on Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:12:16 +0200) Subject: Re: [PATCH] * lisp/bindings.el: create binding for =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=98cycle-spacing=E2=80=99?= References: <1466194336-23967-1-git-send-email-mina86@mina86.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: rgm@gnu.org, dak@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bojohan@gnu.org, tsdh@gnu.org, acm@muc.de, tlikonen@iki.fi X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > From: Michal Nazarewicz > Cc: Glenn Morris , > Richard Stallman , > Eli Zaretskii , > David Kastrup , > Tassilo Horn , > Teemu Likonen , > Alan Mackenzie , > Johan Bockgård > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:12:16 +0200 > > ‘cycle-spacing’ behaves like ‘just-one-space’ when invoked once so > binding it to M-SPC should not be (very) destructive to users. > > When this change has been propesed back in 2014¹, the main concern > was that back then the function behaved a bit differently from the > old one in certain situations. This has since been changed by a > [687e0e1: “Make ‘cycle-spacing’ behave more like ‘just-one-space’ > if colled once.”] commit. That's not the only concern that was brought up back then. It was suggested to poll users. 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Fri, 17 Jun 2016 14:13:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Michal Nazarewicz To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: [PATCH] * lisp/bindings.el: create binding for =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=98cycle-spacing=E2=80=99?= In-Reply-To: <83inx7bm5x.fsf@gnu.org> Organization: http://mina86.com/ References: <1466194336-23967-1-git-send-email-mina86@mina86.com> <83inx7bm5x.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.19+53~g2e63a09 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/25.1.50.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Face: 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 X-Face: -TR8(rDTHy/(xl?SfWd1|3:TTgDIatE^t'vop%*gVg[kn$t{EpK(P"VQ=~T2#ysNmJKN$"yTRLB4YQs$4{[.]Fc1)*O]3+XO^oXM>Q#b^ix, O)Zbn)q[y06$`e3?C)`CwR9y5riE=fv^X@x$y?D:XO6L&x4f-}}I4=VRNwiA^t1-ZrVK^07.Pi/57c_du'& X-PGP: 50751FF4 X-PGP-FP: AC1F 5F5C D418 88F8 CC84 5858 2060 4012 5075 1FF4 X-Hashcash: 1:20:160617:tsdh@gnu.org::UdahBHBY1OLBkizt:000002Tmz X-Hashcash: 1:20:160617:bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org::TDgQ1qTA1BHJMtWj:000000000000000000000000000000000000000003T9 X-Hashcash: 1:20:160617:eliz@gnu.org::Vs56uuoeJzMUHrbY:000003E/q X-Hashcash: 1:20:160617:bojohan@gnu.org::ljkm66ErlSSL1WBy:003aoR X-Hashcash: 1:20:160617:rgm@gnu.org::LtdNYFoQrceqYBJK:0000003pWj X-Hashcash: 1:20:160617:dak@gnu.org::dKQq2OvJPPq83OOR:0000007G7R X-Hashcash: 1:20:160617:acm@muc.de::xo9NSdMZZ/dK28kt:00000008AJu X-Hashcash: 1:20:160617:tlikonen@iki.fi::tXCx5GafQGimlrX7:006yet X-Hashcash: 1:20:160617:rms@gnu.org::fFzKGrJFGu9EPThh:0000007SGA Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:13:45 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23787 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, dak@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, 23787@debbugs.gnu.org, bojohan@gnu.org, tsdh@gnu.org, acm@muc.de, tlikonen@iki.fi X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) >> =E2=80=98cycle-spacing=E2=80=99 behaves like =E2=80=98just-one-space=E2= =80=99 when invoked once so >> binding it to M-SPC should not be (very) destructive to users. >>=20 >> When this change has been propesed back in 2014=C2=B9, the main concern >> was that back then the function behaved a bit differently from the >> old one in certain situations. This has since been changed by a >> [687e0e1: =E2=80=9CMake =E2=80=98cycle-spacing=E2=80=99 behave more like= =E2=80=98just-one-space=E2=80=99 >> if colled once.=E2=80=9D] commit. On Fri, Jun 17 2016, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > That's not the only concern that was brought up back then. It was > suggested to poll users. I=E2=80=99m not aware of a way to poll users. If there is one established,= let me know. Best I can do is Google a little and find people binding M-SPC to =E2=80=98cycle-spacing=E2=80=99: * http://pragmaticemacs.com/emacs/cycle-spacing/ * https://github.com/purcell/emacs.d/blob/master/lisp/init-whitespace.el * https://github.com/rnkn/.emacs.d/blob/master/lisp/init-keys.el * https://twitter.com/sachac/status/542156450047352835 Further down search result pages, there are people who don=E2=80=99t care m= uch for or are not convinced about the command but for obvious reasons finding someone who would oppose changing the binding is rather tricky. --=20 Best regards =E3=83=9F=E3=83=8F=E3=82=A6 =E2=80=9C=F0=9D=93=B6=F0=9D=93=B2=F0=9D=93=B7= =F0=9D=93=AA86=E2=80=9D =E3=83=8A=E3=82=B6=E3=83=AC=E3=83=B4=E3=82=A4=E3=83= =84 =C2=ABIf at first you don=E2=80=99t succeed, give up skydiving=C2=BB From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 17 18:06:49 2016 Received: (at 23787) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jun 2016 22:06:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44570 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bE1ua-0000xI-Qi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:06:48 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56672) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bE1uZ-0000x6-Kx for 23787@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:06:48 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bE1uT-0001a7-Se for 23787@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:06:42 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45185) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bE1uJ-0001Wc-Kj; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:06:31 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bE1uG-0008Lt-B9; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:06:28 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Michal Nazarewicz Subject: Re: [PATCH] * lisp/bindings.el: create binding for =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=98cycle-spacing=E2=80=99?= References: <1466194336-23967-1-git-send-email-mina86@mina86.com> <83inx7bm5x.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: Phreaking EuroFed class struggle Craig Livingstone e-bomb X-Ran: kSdcJ:Tycj'.$n`-}uofk+b"Po*,L3+Z:y"2T`s4,T/PF>AuE:BPtm1`CBz$0{pSul'?9| X-Hue: blue X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:06:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Michal Nazarewicz's message of "Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:13:45 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23787 Cc: dak@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, 23787@debbugs.gnu.org, bojohan@gnu.org, tsdh@gnu.org, acm@muc.de, Eli Zaretskii , tlikonen@iki.fi X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Michal Nazarewicz wrote: > I'm not aware of a way to poll users. If there is one established, let > me know. For the traditional method see eg http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2002-06/msg00031.html People are supposed to say _why_ they vote as they do. Please include an option along the lines of "polling users on matters like this isn't productive" (I am genuinely interested in the % of people who would prefer we just get on with things). Have fun fighting for your one-line change... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 17 18:16:43 2016 Received: (at 23787) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jun 2016 22:16:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44574 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bE24B-0001Ax-OT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:16:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59308) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bE248-0001Aj-Tt for 23787@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:16:42 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bE242-00045f-Rs for 23787@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:16:35 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45410 helo=lola.localdomain) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bE242-00045Y-Iz; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:16:34 -0400 Received: by lola.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AA72DDF4E8; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 00:16:33 +0200 (CEST) From: David Kastrup To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: [PATCH] * lisp/bindings.el: create binding for =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=98cycle-spacing=E2=80=99?= References: <1466194336-23967-1-git-send-email-mina86@mina86.com> <83inx7bm5x.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 00:16:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:06:28 -0400") Message-ID: <87wplnihq6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23787 Cc: rms@gnu.org, 23787@debbugs.gnu.org, Michal Nazarewicz , bojohan@gnu.org, tsdh@gnu.org, acm@muc.de, Eli Zaretskii , tlikonen@iki.fi X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Glenn Morris writes: > Michal Nazarewicz wrote: > >> I'm not aware of a way to poll users. If there is one established, let >> me know. > > For the traditional method see eg > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2002-06/msg00031.html > > People are supposed to say _why_ they vote as they do. > > Please include an option along the lines of "polling users on matters > like this isn't productive" (I am genuinely interested in the % of > people who would prefer we just get on with things). Change first, complain later? Happens often enough and the ensuing complaints are rarely supportive of the approach. > Have fun fighting for your one-line change... Most meaningful polls are for one-line changes, since polls make sense only when there are incompatible viable options, and Emacs can usually be made to support either at the user's choice. Then all that remains is the choice of a meaningful default. Which is typically selected from the provided options with a single setting, more often than not effected by a single line. -- David Kastrup From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 20 09:30:18 2016 Received: (at 23787) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jun 2016 13:30:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47239 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bEzHN-0004bE-Q5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 09:30:17 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f42.google.com ([74.125.82.42]:37728) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bEzHL-0004b1-E2 for 23787@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 09:30:15 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f42.google.com with SMTP id a66so78974947wme.0 for <23787@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 06:30:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:organization:references :user-agent:face:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23787 Cc: dak@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, 23787@debbugs.gnu.org, bojohan@gnu.org, tsdh@gnu.org, acm@muc.de, Eli Zaretskii , tlikonen@iki.fi X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) > Michal Nazarewicz wrote: >> I'm not aware of a way to poll users. If there is one established, let >> me know. On Fri, Jun 17 2016, Glenn Morris wrote: > For the traditional method see eg > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2002-06/msg00031.html If that=E2=80=99s a requirement for this patch I think I=E2=80=99ll pass. = It appears way too complex and inconclusive. --=20 Best regards =E3=83=9F=E3=83=8F=E3=82=A6 =E2=80=9C=F0=9D=93=B6=F0=9D=93=B2=F0=9D=93=B7= =F0=9D=93=AA86=E2=80=9D =E3=83=8A=E3=82=B6=E3=83=AC=E3=83=B4=E3=82=A4=E3=83= =84 =C2=ABIf at first you don=E2=80=99t succeed, give up skydiving=C2=BB From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 24 18:14:27 2016 Received: (at 23787-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2016 22:14:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54693 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGZMo-0000sd-SN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2016 18:14:27 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f44.google.com ([74.125.82.44]:36417) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGZMm-0000sN-S8 for 23787-done@debbugs.gnu.org; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23787-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) On Fri, Jun 17 2016, Michal Nazarewicz wrote: > Unless there are objections, I=E2=80=99ll submit this in a week. I=E2= =80=99ve CC=E2=80=99d > everyone who was involved in the original thread. Since there indeed were objections (which themselves had objections raised, but still), I=E2=80=99m dropping this. --=20 Best regards =E3=83=9F=E3=83=8F=E3=82=A6 =E2=80=9C=F0=9D=93=B6=F0=9D=93=B2=F0=9D=93=B7= =F0=9D=93=AA86=E2=80=9D =E3=83=8A=E3=82=B6=E3=83=AC=E3=83=B4=E3=82=A4=E3=83= =84 =C2=ABIf at first you don=E2=80=99t succeed, give up skydiving=C2=BB From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:37:15 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 11:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator