From unknown Sat Jun 21 17:34:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23786: 25.0.95 and 24.5: NS variants both scroll too much Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 15:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 23786 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 23786@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: Peter Dyballa X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.146617678530765 (code B ref -1); Fri, 17 Jun 2016 15:20:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jun 2016 15:19:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44418 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bDvYe-000809-UP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:19:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50255) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bDvYd-0007zv-Bk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:19:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bDvYX-0000QY-4U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:19:38 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:37965) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bDvYX-0000QE-1I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:19:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41098) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bDvYU-0002vn-KV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:19:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bDvYP-0000Nu-JG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:19:34 -0400 Received: from mout3.freenet.de ([2001:748:100:40::2:5]:57212) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bDvYP-0000Lo-9s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:19:29 -0400 Received: from [195.4.92.141] (helo=mjail1.freenet.de) by mout3.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.85 #1) id 1bDvYH-0007Nq-W8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:19:22 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:49058 helo=mjail1.freenet.de) by mjail1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (Exim 4.85 #1) id 1bDvYH-0007P2-QW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:19:21 +0200 Received: from mx5.freenet.de ([195.4.92.15]:34208) by mjail1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (Exim 4.85 #1) id 1bDvUl-0005Rm-0Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:15:43 +0200 Received: from [195.71.165.224] (port=35698 helo=demucwolf85.muc.de.ad.dom) by mx5.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (port 587) (Exim 4.85 #1) id 1bDvUk-00031l-SJ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:15:42 +0200 From: Peter Dyballa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:15:39 +0200 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Originated-At: 195.71.165.224!35698 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Hello! These two Emacsen, In GNU Emacs 25.0.95.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin13.4.0, NS appkit-1265.21 = Version 10.9.5 (Build 13F1603)) of 2016-06-11 built on builder10-9.local Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1404 Configured using: 'configure --with-ns '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application Support/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application Support/Emacs/site-lisp'' Configured features: NOTIFY ACL LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS Important settings: value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix and In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin15.4.0, NS apple-appkit-1404.46) of 2016-05-13 on demucwolf85.muc.de.ad.dom Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1404 Configured using: `configure --with-ns --disable-ns-self-contained '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application Support/Emacs'' Important settings: locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix and In GNU Emacs 25.0.95.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin13.4.0, NS appkit-1265.21 = Version 10.9.5 (Build 13F1603)) of 2016-06-11 built on builder10-9.local Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1404 Configured using: 'configure --with-ns '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application Support/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application Support/Emacs/site-lisp'' Configured features: NOTIFY ACL LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS Important settings: value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix and In GNU Emacs 25.0.95.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin15.5.0, NS appkit-1404.47 = Version 10.11.5 (Build 15F34)) of 2016-06-17 built on demucwolf85.muc.de.ad.dom Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1404 Configured using: 'configure --with-ns --disable-ns-self-contained '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application Support/Emacs'' Configured features: RSVG IMAGEMAGICK NOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS Important settings: value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix all scroll too much when I use the extra Bluetooth trackpad of an iMac = (27=E2=80=9C, Late 2013) instead of the Mighty Mouse. For example in Safari, reading an entry in Wikipedia, the scrolling = action is OK, I can easily synchronize speed of reading and speed of = scrolling. In the NS variants the scrolling is much too fast, I would = need to move my two fingers by =C2=B5m/sec and not by human mm/sec. Or = is there a hidden setting I have to change? The X client, In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin15.4.0, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll = bars) of 2016-05-04 on demucsculz39-02.muc.de.ad.dom Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version = 11.0.11604000 Configured using: `configure --with-x '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application Support/Emacs'' Important settings: value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix behaves quite OK with XQuartz 2.7.8 (xorg-server 1.16.4) and XQuartz = 2.7.9 (xorg-server 1.17.4). Here it=E2=80=99s possible to set the amount = or speed of scrolling. (Mac) OS X 10.11.5 (15F34), El Capitan. Bluetooth keyboard and Bluetooth = trackpad. =E2=80=94 Greetings Pete f u cn rd ths, itn tyg h myxbl cd. From unknown Sat Jun 21 17:34:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23786: 25.0.95 and 24.5: NS variants both scroll too much Resent-From: Jiajie Chen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 07:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23786 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Peter Dyballa Cc: 23786@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 23786-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23786.146623474627730 (code B ref 23786); Sat, 18 Jun 2016 07:26:01 +0000 Received: (at 23786) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jun 2016 07:25:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44689 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bEAdV-0007DC-Tu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 03:25:46 -0400 Received: from smtpbgau1.qq.com ([54.206.16.166]:53905) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bEAdP-0007Cq-VF for 23786@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 03:25:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=qq.com; s=s201512; t=1466234728; bh=zHSOcrpiA+UAmth6TpfnaMkXhwRS9gC/uWE3xrCJYeU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mzYY+T/2Z40UakL7FRG4ldarkY5n9OZyOZOVHrniGrntoxx0Hl7lJADLC4drxJfhA Uk7alD06V+Y5k72tIvyC9PiZylkUWBD929eAJWNdgxHjOwFX4nC3aunJDvI96LC12r ngBwEEho+14UUE50NLyGpIIfD0TCbsvU5TyAfLbQ= X-QQ-mid: esmtp20t1466234726t171t02119 Received: from MacBookAirs-MacBook-Air.local (unknown [183.39.237.158]) by esmtp4.qq.com (ESMTP) with id ; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 15:25:00 +0800 (CST) X-QQ-SSF: 0100000000000050F31000000000000 X-QQ-FEAT: 1FVjgQNnvLSDe+H3dWY2hjC+TOg5i5pUeKMDTicYThGHlOvSE8cttEiJIg/Y7 yz+DPTCzownriHDkGKlmYJA54aUTzajcNunEKIV9Z2/Cpt2H1SXMZaR9YVwmYU0FpKs6qw2 o8ae9MGla5SdgF4cTGg5dgrDt7BE62tk4dLqu7VMZyw2wKTNhil1dBYzWpbDkIt8OXaDcbX 7n2Mf55fEz8j87Hnl+0DPh41cwC5+2ovPzgzPLCMyvf6FjTsUXsDYgl+C8MqqfJm1YkTCHm 80TbgPnYGFVeF6 X-QQ-GoodBg: 0 From: Jiajie Chen In-Reply-To: (Peter Dyballa's message of "Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:15:39 +0200") Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 15:18:14 +0800 Lines: 115 References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.95 (darwin) X-From-Line: nobody Sat Jun 18 15:18:47 2016 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-QQ-SENDSIZE: 520 X-QQ-Bgrelay: 1 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) Peter Dyballa writes: This are the settings I am using: (setq mouse-wheel-scroll-amount '(1 ((shift) . 1))) ;; one line at a time (setq mouse-wheel-progressive-speed nil) ;; don't accelerate scrolling (setq mouse-wheel-follow-mouse 't) ;; scroll window under mouse Not very smooth but slow enough indeed. For more information, see https://w= ww.emacswiki.org/emacs/SmoothScrolling. > Hello! > > These two Emacsen, > > In GNU Emacs 25.0.95.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin13.4.0, NS appkit-1265.21 Vers= ion 10.9.5 (Build 13F1603)) > of 2016-06-11 built on builder10-9.local > Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1404 > Configured using: > 'configure --with-ns '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application > Support/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application > Support/Emacs/site-lisp'' > > Configured features: > NOTIFY ACL LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS > > Important settings: > value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 > locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix > > and > > In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin15.4.0, NS apple-appkit-1404.46) > of 2016-05-13 on demucwolf85.muc.de.ad.dom > Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1404 > Configured using: > `configure --with-ns --disable-ns-self-contained > '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application Support/Emacs'' > > Important settings: > locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix > > and > > In GNU Emacs 25.0.95.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin13.4.0, NS appkit-1265.21 Vers= ion 10.9.5 (Build 13F1603)) > of 2016-06-11 built on builder10-9.local > Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1404 > Configured using: > 'configure --with-ns '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application > Support/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application > Support/Emacs/site-lisp'' > > Configured features: > NOTIFY ACL LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS > > Important settings: > value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 > locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix > > and > > In GNU Emacs 25.0.95.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin15.5.0, NS appkit-1404.47 Vers= ion 10.11.5 (Build 15F34)) > of 2016-06-17 built on demucwolf85.muc.de.ad.dom > Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1404 > Configured using: > 'configure --with-ns --disable-ns-self-contained > '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application Support/Emacs'' > > Configured features: > RSVG IMAGEMAGICK NOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS > > Important settings: > value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 > locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix > > all scroll too much when I use the extra Bluetooth trackpad of an iMac (2= 7=E2=80=9C, Late 2013) instead of the Mighty Mouse. > > For example in Safari, reading an entry in Wikipedia, the scrolling actio= n is OK, I can easily synchronize speed of reading and speed of scrolling. = In the NS variants the scrolling is much too fast, I would need to move my = two fingers by =C2=B5m/sec and not by human mm/sec. Or is there a hidden se= tting I have to change? > > The X client, > > In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin15.4.0, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll b= ars) > of 2016-05-04 on demucsculz39-02.muc.de.ad.dom > Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11604000 > Configured using: > `configure --with-x '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application > Support/Emacs'' > > Important settings: > value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 > locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix > > behaves quite OK with XQuartz 2.7.8 (xorg-server 1.16.4) and XQuartz 2.7.= 9 (xorg-server 1.17.4). Here it=E2=80=99s possible to set the amount or spe= ed of scrolling. > > (Mac) OS X 10.11.5 (15F34), El Capitan. Bluetooth keyboard and Bluetooth = trackpad. > > =E2=80=94 > > Greetings > > Pete > > f u cn rd ths, itn tyg h myxbl cd. 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[2001:8b0:3f8:8129:ac92:b5d8:4ccd:40fc]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z5sm3358686wme.5.2016.06.18.04.45.38 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 18 Jun 2016 04:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 12:45:37 +0100 From: Alan Third Message-ID: <20160618114537.GB3996@breton.holly.idiocy.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 05:15:39PM +0200, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > all scroll too much when I use the extra Bluetooth trackpad of an > iMac (27“, Late 2013) instead of the Mighty Mouse. > > For example in Safari, reading an entry in Wikipedia, the scrolling > action is OK, I can easily synchronize speed of reading and speed of > scrolling. In the NS variants the scrolling is much too fast, I > would need to move my two fingers by µm/sec and not by human mm/sec. > Or is there a hidden setting I have to change? Are you saying it scrolls OK with the mouse, but not the trackpad? -- Alan Third From unknown Sat Jun 21 17:34:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23786: 25.0.95 and 24.5: NS variants both scroll too much Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 12:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23786 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Alan Third Cc: 23786@debbugs.gnu.org, Peter Dyballa Received: via spool by 23786-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23786.146633900124224 (code B ref 23786); Sun, 19 Jun 2016 12:24:01 +0000 Received: (at 23786) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jun 2016 12:23:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45627 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bEbl3-0006Id-FQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 08:23:21 -0400 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]:41070) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bEbl1-0006IV-H5 for 23786@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 08:23:20 -0400 Received: from [195.4.92.142] (helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.85 #1) id 1bEbky-0002Hs-P2; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:23:16 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:57366 helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (Exim 4.85 #1) id 1bEbky-0004TD-L1; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:23:16 +0200 Received: from mx13.freenet.de ([195.4.92.23]:53790) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (Exim 4.85 #1) id 1bEbiy-0003V5-5F; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:21:12 +0200 Received: from [195.71.165.224] (port=1447 helo=demucwolf85.muc.de.ad.dom) by mx13.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (port 587) (Exim 4.85 #1) id 1bEbiy-00066p-0t; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:21:12 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: <20160618114537.GB3996@breton.holly.idiocy.org> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:21:08 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3E04DF9B-5690-4FE8-AD5F-4B9CAE0C8389@Freenet.DE> References: <20160618114537.GB3996@breton.holly.idiocy.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Originated-At: 195.71.165.224!1447 X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) > Am 18.06.2016 um 13:45 schrieb Alan Third : >=20 > Are you saying it scrolls OK with the mouse, but not the trackpad? Yes. The default setting for the mouse could be a bit improved, using = the suggestions of Jiajie Chen =E2=80=93 I am usually not working with = mice =E2=80=93 because it scrolls a bit too fast, but by far not that = fast as the trackpad. Is there a way to find out on the command line the preferences set for = mouse and trackpad? Maybe it would help determine the cause for my bug = report. -- Greetings Pete From unknown Sat Jun 21 17:34:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23786: 25.0.95 and 24.5: NS variants both scroll too much Resent-From: Toon Claes Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 19:56:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23786 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Peter Dyballa Cc: 23786@debbugs.gnu.org, Alan Third , Jiajie Chen Received: via spool by 23786-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23786.147137733829207 (code B ref 23786); Tue, 16 Aug 2016 19:56:01 +0000 Received: (at 23786) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Aug 2016 19:55:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59499 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bZkSY-0007b1-5q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 15:55:38 -0400 Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]:57154) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bZkSV-0007as-Vw for 23786@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 15:55:36 -0400 Received: from mfilter34-d.gandi.net (mfilter34-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.165]) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A380A80C0; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 21:55:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter34-d.gandi.net Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([IPv6:::ffff:217.70.183.195]) by mfilter34-d.gandi.net (mfilter34-d.gandi.net [::ffff:10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z16sOGQ52I-a; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 21:55:33 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 94.227.10.94 Received: from MacToonPro-2.local (94-227-10-94.access.telenet.be [94.227.10.94]) (Authenticated sender: toon@iotcl.com) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 30598A80BF; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 21:55:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Toon Claes In-Reply-To: <3E04DF9B-5690-4FE8-AD5F-4B9CAE0C8389@Freenet.DE> (Peter Dyballa's message of "Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:21:08 +0200") References: <20160618114537.GB3996@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <3E04DF9B-5690-4FE8-AD5F-4B9CAE0C8389@Freenet.DE> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (darwin) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 21:55:31 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Peter Dyballa writes: > Hello! Hi Pete, > all scroll too much when I use the extra Bluetooth trackpad of an iMac > (27=E2=80=9C, Late 2013) instead of the Mighty Mouse. Is it a Magic Trackpad, or a Magic Trackpad 2 with Force Touch? I use the latter on a daily basis. But I have an old one laying around somewhere. I also have a Magic Mouse. But you are using a Mighty Mouse, aren't you? > Yes. The default setting for the mouse could be a bit improved, using > the suggestions of Jiajie Chen =E2=80=93 I am usually not working with mi= ce =E2=80=93 > because it scrolls a bit too fast, but by far not that fast as the > trackpad. I also did not know about those settings, thanks a bunch Jiajie Chen. These settings feel a lot more natural, so maybe we should consider changing the defaults (although I actually never scroll with mouse in Emacs). > Is there a way to find out on the command line the preferences set for > mouse and trackpad? Maybe it would help determine the cause for my bug > report. Mac OS X has the `defaults` tool to read/write settings from the command line. For example on my machine: $ defaults read -g | grep mouse "com.apple.mouse.scaling" =3D "2.5"; $ defaults read -g | grep trackpad "com.apple.trackpad.forceClick" =3D 1; "com.apple.trackpad.scaling" =3D "1.5"; Regards, Toon From unknown Sat Jun 21 17:34:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23786: 25.0.95 and 24.5: NS variants both scroll too much Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 12:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23786 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Toon Claes Cc: 23786@debbugs.gnu.org, Peter Dyballa , Jiajie Chen , Alan Third Received: via spool by 23786-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23786.147212872425717 (code B ref 23786); Thu, 25 Aug 2016 12:39:01 +0000 Received: (at 23786) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Aug 2016 12:38:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40085 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bctvg-0006gj-Gx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2016 08:38:44 -0400 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]:54376) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bctve-0006gb-TP for 23786@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2016 08:38:43 -0400 Received: from [195.4.92.141] (helo=mjail1.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.85 #1) id 1bctvO-0007jq-IT; Thu, 25 Aug 2016 14:38:26 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:37762 helo=mjail1.freenet.de) by mjail1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (Exim 4.85 #1) id 1bctvO-0005vd-Cv; Thu, 25 Aug 2016 14:38:26 +0200 Received: from mx3.freenet.de ([195.4.92.13]:49916) by mjail1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (Exim 4.85 #1) id 1bcttG-0003Ti-Ob; Thu, 25 Aug 2016 14:36:14 +0200 Received: from [195.71.165.224] (port=13851 helo=demucwolf85.muc.de.ad.dom) by mx3.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (port 587) (Exim 4.85 #1) id 1bcttG-0001Ch-Jm; Thu, 25 Aug 2016 14:36:14 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 14:36:10 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20160618114537.GB3996@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <3E04DF9B-5690-4FE8-AD5F-4B9CAE0C8389@Freenet.DE> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Originated-At: 195.71.165.224!13851 X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) > Am 16.08.2016 um 21:55 schrieb Toon Claes : >=20 > Peter Dyballa writes: >=20 >> Hello! >=20 > Hi Pete, >=20 >> all scroll too much when I use the extra Bluetooth trackpad of an = iMac >> (27=E2=80=9C, Late 2013) instead of the Mighty Mouse. >=20 > Is it a Magic Trackpad, or a Magic Trackpad 2 with Force Touch? > I use the latter on a daily basis. But I have an old one laying around > somewhere. I also have a Magic Mouse. But you are using a Mighty = Mouse, > aren't you? I did not buy anything, it=E2=80=99s the gear my employer provides me = with. System Report/System Information says about the mouse: Services: Apple Magic Mouse Manufacturer: Apple (0x3, 0x31C) Firmware Version: 0x0306 Vendor ID: 0x05AC Product ID: 0x030D Class of Device: 0x05 0x20 0x2580 And about the trackpad it reports: Services: Apple Wireless Trackpad Manufacturer: Apple (0x3, 0x31C) Firmware Version: 0x0160 Vendor ID: 0x05AC Product ID: 0x030E Class of Device: 0x05 0x25 0x2594 >=20 >> Yes. The default setting for the mouse could be a bit improved, using >> the suggestions of Jiajie Chen =E2=80=93 I am usually not working = with mice =E2=80=93 >> because it scrolls a bit too fast, but by far not that fast as the >> trackpad. >=20 > I also did not know about those settings, thanks a bunch Jiajie Chen. > These settings feel a lot more natural, so maybe we should consider > changing the defaults (although I actually never scroll with mouse in > Emacs). >=20 >> Is there a way to find out on the command line the preferences set = for >> mouse and trackpad? Maybe it would help determine the cause for my = bug >> report. Meanwhile mouse and trackpad are working better. The commands below give = for me: "com.apple.mouse.scaling" =3D "0.875"; "com.apple.trackpad.scaling" =3D "1.5"; >=20 > Mac OS X has the `defaults` tool to read/write settings from the = command > line. For example on my machine: >=20 > $ defaults read -g | grep mouse >=20 > "com.apple.mouse.scaling" =3D "2.5"; >=20 > $ defaults read -g | grep trackpad > "com.apple.trackpad.forceClick" =3D 1; > "com.apple.trackpad.scaling" =3D "1.5"; My customisation looks minimal: (setq scroll-conservatively 1000) '(mouse-wheel-scroll-amount (quote (3 ((shift) . 1) ((control))))) I think that I just changed 2 to 3=E2=80=A6 For GNU Emacs 25 I have changed (setq mouse-wheel-progressive-speed nil) to = '(mouse-wheel-progressive-speed t). Behaviour of GNU Emacs 24 and 25 is = now fine. =E2=80=94 Greetings Pete From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 05 02:22:50 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Sep 2016 06:22:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50031 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgnIv-0004pJ-TS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 02:22:50 -0400 Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]:60737) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgnIu-0004pB-3Y for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 02:22:48 -0400 Received: from mfilter45-d.gandi.net (mfilter45-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.176]) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2927BFB8BF for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2016 08:22:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter45-d.gandi.net Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([IPv6:::ffff:217.70.183.198]) by mfilter45-d.gandi.net (mfilter45-d.gandi.net [::ffff:10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id avn7vclpqNgu for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2016 08:22:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 81.169.81.102 Received: from MacToonPro-2.local (102-81-169-81.mobileinternet.proximus.be [81.169.81.102]) (Authenticated sender: toon@iotcl.com) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8F79EFB8B9 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2016 08:22:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Toon Claes To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#23786: 25.0.95 and 24.5: NS variants both scroll too much References: <20160618114537.GB3996@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <3E04DF9B-5690-4FE8-AD5F-4B9CAE0C8389@Freenet.DE> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 08:21:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Peter Dyballa's message of "Thu, 25 Aug 2016 14:36:10 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) close 23786 thankyou Peter Dyballa writes: > For GNU Emacs 25 I have changed > > (setq mouse-wheel-progressive-speed nil) to > '(mouse-wheel-progressive-speed t). Behaviour of GNU Emacs 24 and 25 > is now fine.