From unknown Sun Aug 17 22:02:02 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#23776 <23776@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#23776 <23776@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Perl's .pod files include timestamps, making Perl package builds non-deterministic Reply-To: bug#23776 <23776@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 05:02:02 +0000 retitle 23776 Perl's .pod files include timestamps, making Perl package bui= lds non-deterministic reassign 23776 guix submitter 23776 ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) severity 23776 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 16 07:34:05 2016 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jun 2016 11:34:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42961 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bDVYj-0000Uw-JS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 07:34:05 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44686) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bDVYi-0000US-4q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Thu, 16 Jun 2016 07:33:50 -0400 Received: from pluto.bordeaux.inria.fr ([193.50.110.57]:44008 helo=pluto) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bDVYS-00036A-Pd for bug-guix@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 07:33:49 -0400 From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) To: bug-guix@gnu.org Subject: Perl's .pod files include timestamps, making Perl package builds non-deterministic X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 29 Prairial an 224 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:33:46 +0200 Message-ID: <87fusdgyg5.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Here=E2=80=99s an example: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- $ diff -ru /gnu/store/fmib129w05hbwbikd7x48s37hvr8nrdf-perl-io-stringy-2.11= 0 /gnu/store/fmib129w05hbwbikd7x48s37hvr8nrdf-perl-io-stringy-2.110-check diff -ru /gnu/store/fmib129w05hbwbikd7x48s37hvr8nrdf-perl-io-stringy-2.110/= lib/perl5/5.22.1/x86_64-linux/perllocal.pod /gnu/store/fmib129w05hbwbikd7x4= 8s37hvr8nrdf-perl-io-stringy-2.110-check/lib/perl5/5.22.1/x86_64-linux/perl= local.pod --- /gnu/store/fmib129w05hbwbikd7x48s37hvr8nrdf-perl-io-stringy-2.110/lib/p= erl5/5.22.1/x86_64-linux/perllocal.pod 1970-01-01 01:00:01.000000000 +0100 +++ /gnu/store/fmib129w05hbwbikd7x48s37hvr8nrdf-perl-io-stringy-2.110-check= /lib/perl5/5.22.1/x86_64-linux/perllocal.pod 1970-01-01 01:00:01.000000000 = +0100 @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ -=3Dhead2 Thu Jun 16 11:29:36 2016: C L +=3Dhead2 Thu Jun 16 11:29:34 2016: C L =20 =3Dover 4 --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- The problem is described in : --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- timestamps_in_documentation_generated_by_podman: description: | The module Pod::Man includes timestamps in its embedded manpages: http://sources.debian.net/src/perl/latest/cpan/podlators/lib/Pod/Man.pm= /?hl=3D1700#L977 They should be based on the mtime of the original file. url: https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds/TimestampsInManpagesGener= atedByPodMan deterministic: True --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 16 11:39:32 2016 Received: (at 23776) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jun 2016 15:39:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43459 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bDZOG-0006WU-M8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:39:32 -0400 Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]:52175) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bDZOD-0006WL-6e for 23776@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:39:31 -0400 Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6376722195; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:39:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=famulari.name; h= cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=rqYPhL4Z4k/DOEiO9f78hrhdi2k=; b=UKPLhu MvOig1n61qIPr67Ts+nuNzIQlnuMiFw8jx8KzSHL7DryAz+b49narHfswmKVy7fo nJp17To62vUrKcGmrrTQA9cX0BjJDJ4Eth32GlCkfmzFa5uNd6MxxiTYDy4QdpFm pfbfAtkVade/XDXdONQxBnZF94a+CqnlJ0uvw= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=rqYPhL4Z4k/DOEi O9f78hrhdi2k=; b=htpuLt+wxsV3kZOHaOXQRh3Am5iAIuJ/bF3HOw0rRQwYL6D 4PzHlrGgzzMgcUzAGRcVsIb8MAk3P6zt0tMOpyGtekXo3enH4wOMdXlmttSHzfWy t2P6C/JYhdKMLamx+XYhv2Db3RuS4YBQr2l80LpDUrbptwsSMJbjykG7dDbY= X-Sasl-enc: Zn5FljoDuKQfCiuziXIAAPDEXUBwrQPxyesWhMFVAowN 1466091568 Received: from localhost (c-73-188-17-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [73.188.17.148]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0E378CC070; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:39:27 -0400 From: Leo Famulari To: Ludovic =?iso-8859-1?Q?Court=E8s?= Subject: Re: bug#23776: Perl's .pod files include timestamps, making Perl package builds non-deterministic Message-ID: <20160616153927.GB2245@jasmine> References: <87fusdgyg5.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <87fusdgyg5.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23776 Cc: 23776@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 01:33:46PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > The problem is described in : > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > timestamps_in_documentation_generated_by_podman: > description: | > The module Pod::Man includes timestamps in its embedded manpages: > http://sources.debian.net/src/perl/latest/cpan/podlators/lib/Pod/Man.pm/?hl=1700#L977 > They should be based on the mtime of the original file. > url: https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds/TimestampsInManpagesGeneratedByPodMan According to the information on this page, we should set POD_MAN_DATE while building. Should we make the perl-build-system export this variable? Set to SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 17 04:11:35 2016 Received: (at 23776) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jun 2016 08:11:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43825 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bDosJ-0004Zy-GE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 04:11:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52034) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bDosH-0004Zl-NR for 23776@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 04:11:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bDos9-00051W-9R for 23776@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 04:11:28 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:32962) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bDos9-00051J-5k; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 04:11:25 -0400 Received: from pluto.bordeaux.inria.fr ([193.50.110.57]:52116 helo=pluto) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bDos7-0000qK-GA; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 04:11:23 -0400 From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) To: Leo Famulari Subject: Re: bug#23776: Perl's .pod files include timestamps, making Perl package builds non-deterministic References: <87fusdgyg5.fsf@gnu.org> <20160616153927.GB2245@jasmine> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 30 Prairial an 224 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:11:21 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20160616153927.GB2245@jasmine> (Leo Famulari's message of "Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:39:27 -0400") Message-ID: <877fdoxmja.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23776 Cc: 23776@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Leo Famulari skribis: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 01:33:46PM +0200, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: >> The problem is described in : >>=20 >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >> timestamps_in_documentation_generated_by_podman: >> description: | >> The module Pod::Man includes timestamps in its embedded manpages: >> http://sources.debian.net/src/perl/latest/cpan/podlators/lib/Pod/Man= .pm/?hl=3D1700#L977 >> They should be based on the mtime of the original file. >> url: https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds/TimestampsInManpagesGe= neratedByPodMan > > According to the information on this page, we should set POD_MAN_DATE > while building. Should we make the perl-build-system export this > variable? Set to SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH? Yes, that sounds like a good idea. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 17 14:50:22 2016 Received: (at 23776) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jun 2016 18:50:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44500 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bDyqT-0004eb-U2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 14:50:22 -0400 Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]:54778) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bDyqR-0004eT-J6 for 23776@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 14:50:20 -0400 Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25598207F4; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 14:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 17 Jun 2016 14:50:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=famulari.name; h= cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=sgfbE9oOsvaWNT628eKgbMAxmHA=; b=rnBkC8 DmlQTg1LbvDErwnj5zHKof++Zar2Na6X7rJjPRe9DyajgBCz1lAI6a+QuzY4HcrO 7SCTEeGOnyeB51WXPcwM9kKZHGTSULgHjbufHlvW3O+yj8vV/C3froj+WzB2NSS3 ees8BpB8ftNwnowmVWhp6/SAjASRJUfY8qJio= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=sgfbE9oOsvaWNT6 28eKgbMAxmHA=; b=NDVjqBhaxw0J34j5SU/HvtBfjzfgfaU4ZZtcIh3D662ZOp+ SDbB6HUd6WKAGkQnRB1sQam/QZLBfnB1xGUvVRnPUfGk2TOKxWkgmvuojqTy+K6M SEt7D5yTPE6D6X6/Ani0kCh7YyD6aVrobXl5Z8efZHGWtFcFa9rY6+9sHHKo= X-Sasl-enc: 30BlrTaBtNZaiDr9dTO7TM5Kl5FIDCKFpsX0HY9os/MY 1466189418 Received: from localhost (c-73-188-17-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [73.188.17.148]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9E7E9CC01D; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 14:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 14:50:17 -0400 From: Leo Famulari To: Ludovic =?iso-8859-1?Q?Court=E8s?= Subject: Re: bug#23776: Perl's .pod files include timestamps, making Perl package builds non-deterministic Message-ID: <20160617185017.GA16420@jasmine> References: <87fusdgyg5.fsf@gnu.org> <20160616153927.GB2245@jasmine> <877fdoxmja.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <877fdoxmja.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23776 Cc: 23776@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:11:21AM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > Leo Famulari skribis: > > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 01:33:46PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > >> The problem is described in : > >> > >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > >> timestamps_in_documentation_generated_by_podman: > >> description: | > >> The module Pod::Man includes timestamps in its embedded manpages: > >> http://sources.debian.net/src/perl/latest/cpan/podlators/lib/Pod/Man.pm/?hl=1700#L977 > >> They should be based on the mtime of the original file. > >> url: https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds/TimestampsInManpagesGeneratedByPodMan > > > > According to the information on this page, we should set POD_MAN_DATE > > while building. Should we make the perl-build-system export this > > variable? Set to SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH? > > Yes, that sounds like a good idea. Should I add a phase to %standard-phases in perl-build-system.scm [0]? Should I define a new procedure set-POD_MAN_DATE [1] and add that perl-build-system.scm's %standard-phases? [0] http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/guix/build/perl-build-system.scm#n71 [1] As in... http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/guix/build/gnu-build-system.scm#n42 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 18 16:35:56 2016 Received: (at 23776) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jun 2016 20:35:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45464 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bEMyB-0007r3-Pb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:35:55 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35052) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bEMyA-0007qq-Gb for 23776@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:35:54 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEMy0-0001da-Jg for 23776@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:35:49 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40299) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEMy0-0001dS-GK; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:35:44 -0400 Received: from reverse-83.fdn.fr ([80.67.176.83]:56164 helo=pluto) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bEMxy-0001Fu-N7; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:35:43 -0400 From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) To: Leo Famulari Subject: Re: bug#23776: Perl's .pod files include timestamps, making Perl package builds non-deterministic References: <87fusdgyg5.fsf@gnu.org> <20160616153927.GB2245@jasmine> <877fdoxmja.fsf@gnu.org> <20160617185017.GA16420@jasmine> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 1 Messidor an 224 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 22:35:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20160617185017.GA16420@jasmine> (Leo Famulari's message of "Fri, 17 Jun 2016 14:50:17 -0400") Message-ID: <87oa6y1bhf.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23776 Cc: 23776@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Leo Famulari skribis: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:11:21AM +0200, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: >> Leo Famulari skribis: >>=20 >> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 01:33:46PM +0200, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: >> >> The problem is described in : >> >>=20 >> >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >> >> timestamps_in_documentation_generated_by_podman: >> >> description: | >> >> The module Pod::Man includes timestamps in its embedded manpages: >> >> http://sources.debian.net/src/perl/latest/cpan/podlators/lib/Pod/= Man.pm/?hl=3D1700#L977 >> >> They should be based on the mtime of the original file. >> >> url: https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds/TimestampsInManpage= sGeneratedByPodMan >> > >> > According to the information on this page, we should set POD_MAN_DATE >> > while building. Should we make the perl-build-system export this >> > variable? Set to SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH? >>=20 >> Yes, that sounds like a good idea. > > Should I add a phase to %standard-phases in perl-build-system.scm [0]? > > Should I define a new procedure set-POD_MAN_DATE [1] and add that > perl-build-system.scm's %standard-phases? Yes, sounds like the right approach to me. Thank you. Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 19 13:32:01 2016 Received: (at 23776) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jun 2016 17:32:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46621 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bEgZk-0007DX-Sn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 13:32:01 -0400 Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]:52184) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bEgZg-0007DL-TG for 23776@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 13:31:58 -0400 Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1AE20822; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 13:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 19 Jun 2016 13:31:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=famulari.name; h= cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=8EseW5et83eg8Pq09uGhhp0N/VI=; b=cNUOQD Bo0tMRopW3ORh2Q5MWLAQfDAZf95w28Or8e+9D1RRCHjl4k+1tgr4UGwVVWq6eD0 oODXgQnCU21dV3YLO1v50Az1n72B6VpT89MwNj91bVHkeFXsWZc5x2GNokYnDIhU EgItpa4Xnj3tAzgq3qrmnQF8eWkRqt1JQhE0M= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=8EseW5et83eg8Pq 09uGhhp0N/VI=; b=Wck3XDFtTGHL2e2rXgU4gkExdwHffXwza8XQ2gmHWvOXx5j FKhtpHwihfZjHqyC3tb/n9HBbK1jUyMmIDxSBCk1CvbOoNp37frAx4PO0B7X3nLh a2BY5i1PmM/cX9l06gdHnPGWR3Ae3xjPfw1FwBaQy/B6sfIT9av2ikt8J4qM= X-Sasl-enc: PfVx0lKc+fJX+2BGhPHTA3UCIYocdC6VohnJSb6zav65 1466357515 Received: from localhost (c-73-188-17-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [73.188.17.148]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EEB65CCDAC; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 13:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 13:31:54 -0400 From: Leo Famulari To: Ludovic =?iso-8859-1?Q?Court=E8s?= Subject: Re: bug#23776: Perl's .pod files include timestamps, making Perl package builds non-deterministic Message-ID: <20160619173154.GA26953@jasmine> References: <87fusdgyg5.fsf@gnu.org> <20160616153927.GB2245@jasmine> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20160616153927.GB2245@jasmine> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23776 Cc: 23776@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:39:27AM -0400, Leo Famulari wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 01:33:46PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > > The problem is described in : > > > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > > timestamps_in_documentation_generated_by_podman: > > description: | > > The module Pod::Man includes timestamps in its embedded manpages: > > http://sources.debian.net/src/perl/latest/cpan/podlators/lib/Pod/Man.pm/?hl=1700#L977 > > They should be based on the mtime of the original file. > > url: https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds/TimestampsInManpagesGeneratedByPodMan > > According to the information on this page, we should set POD_MAN_DATE > while building. Should we make the perl-build-system export this > variable? Set to SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH? I noticed that Pod::Man is supposed to respect SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH, as of the upstream module version 4.03 (released 2015-12-06). Does anyone know how to check the version of the module bundled into perl? [0] https://metacpan.org/pod/Pod::Man#date [1] https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/podlators/news.html From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 25 14:23:11 2016 Received: (at 23776) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jun 2016 18:23:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55698 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGsEZ-0002lB-KT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 14:23:11 -0400 Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]:39164) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGsEY-0002l4-21 for 23776@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 14:23:10 -0400 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC87620539; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 14:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 25 Jun 2016 14:23:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=famulari.name; h= cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=TUik6 0kXImNfzxhhHPEprc+lK7Y=; b=MeMJEW7f97IX+mwtQxcjrSQUaBRWl87D5eoLZ YhIWif097vXi6zWjjrDS2ob9JN73os2pPudI2iPUSOvIC8IaiJxLlvZZA/zyfzuM gVL5K1jTzpEXr6rKcwPhBNoa1CxIGlliiiM4ShCGt4C1JIjGzn/zT8B3BRvtrL+P dEWqiE= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=TUik60kXImNfzxhhHPEprc+lK7Y=; b=g1FJ7 ePz12L194FaVkXZ/yNHyRVAjIMYOz8zG2+F6AUpBxQJBeMEz58Oy9cb+n98uUunA 8l8CJd4I86fJ2dY187R4YmLK9P8Fctbj/Pp1POF8xb90fpyzxw0L5XsQjzcKZ9ne Z8VZR8TAoCKKpmds5cCCZbybOQ7QLG79baYXno= X-Sasl-enc: BjCDNwbPJlt16atxFmGnZ3dZPSXJ7/YRP4g+cKcIDKXo 1466878989 Received: from localhost (unknown [172.56.21.217]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 33F72F29F7; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 14:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 14:23:05 -0400 From: Leo Famulari To: Ludovic =?iso-8859-1?Q?Court=E8s?= Subject: Re: bug#23776: Perl's .pod files include timestamps, making Perl package builds non-deterministic Message-ID: <20160625182305.GA24122@jasmine> References: <87fusdgyg5.fsf@gnu.org> <20160616153927.GB2245@jasmine> <20160619173154.GA26953@jasmine> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160619173154.GA26953@jasmine> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23776 Cc: 23776@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 01:31:54PM -0400, Leo Famulari wrote: > I noticed that Pod::Man is supposed to respect SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH, as of > the upstream module version 4.03 (released 2015-12-06). Does anyone know > how to check the version of the module bundled into perl? In Perl 5.24.0, the integrated podlators module was upgraded from 2.28 from 4.0.7 [0]. AIUI, changing perl-build-system will require rebuilding all Perl packages. If so, how about updating Perl to 5.24.0 instead of changing the build system? Do Perl updates tend to break a lot of Perl packages? If so, changing the build system and rebuilding might be done sooner than a Perl update, since this change seems unlikely to break any packages. Your advice requested :) [0] https://metacpan.org/pod/distribution/perl/pod/perldelta.pod#Updated-Modules-and-Pragmata From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 30 05:28:30 2016 Received: (at 23776) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2016 09:28:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51180 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bTQZJ-00074g-Oi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2016 05:28:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46906) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bTQZG-00074S-V0 for 23776@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2016 05:28:28 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bTQZ8-0008Gv-Ik for 23776@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2016 05:28:21 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43303) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bTQZ8-0008GW-GM; Sat, 30 Jul 2016 05:28:18 -0400 Received: from reverse-83.fdn.fr ([80.67.176.83]:36864 helo=pluto) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bTQZ7-0000bD-Fl; Sat, 30 Jul 2016 05:28:18 -0400 From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) To: Leo Famulari Subject: Re: bug#23776: Perl's .pod files include timestamps, making Perl package builds non-deterministic References: <87fusdgyg5.fsf@gnu.org> <20160616153927.GB2245@jasmine> <20160619173154.GA26953@jasmine> <20160625182305.GA24122@jasmine> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 13 Thermidor an 224 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 11:28:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20160625182305.GA24122@jasmine> (Leo Famulari's message of "Sat, 25 Jun 2016 14:23:05 -0400") Message-ID: <87popvwk40.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23776 Cc: 23776@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) Leo Famulari skribis: > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 01:31:54PM -0400, Leo Famulari wrote: >> I noticed that Pod::Man is supposed to respect SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH, as of >> the upstream module version 4.03 (released 2015-12-06). Does anyone know >> how to check the version of the module bundled into perl? > > In Perl 5.24.0, the integrated podlators module was upgraded from 2.28 > from 4.0.7 [0]. > > AIUI, changing perl-build-system will require rebuilding all Perl > packages. If so, how about updating Perl to 5.24.0 instead of changing > the build system? > > Do Perl updates tend to break a lot of Perl packages? If so, changing > the build system and rebuilding might be done sooner than a Perl update, > since this change seems unlikely to break any packages. Sorry for the super late reply. I think we=E2=80=99ll have to update at so= me point, so what about doing that in core-updates-next? Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 11 17:27:26 2017 Received: (at 23776) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2017 22:27:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50329 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cRRMa-0007aF-Gh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 17:27:25 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37023) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cRRMY-0007a3-RJ for 23776@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 17:27:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRRMQ-00026o-B3 for 23776@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 17:27:17 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57405) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cRRMQ-00026k-7h; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 17:27:14 -0500 Received: from reverse-83.fdn.fr ([80.67.176.83]:39312 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cRRMP-0003Jw-IC; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 17:27:13 -0500 From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) To: Leo Famulari Subject: Re: bug#23776: Perl's .pod files include timestamps, making Perl package builds non-deterministic References: <87fusdgyg5.fsf@gnu.org> <20160616153927.GB2245@jasmine> <20160619173154.GA26953@jasmine> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 23:27:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20160619173154.GA26953@jasmine> (Leo Famulari's message of "Sun, 19 Jun 2016 13:31:54 -0400") Message-ID: <87mvexuta8.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23776 Cc: 23776@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) Leo Famulari skribis: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:39:27AM -0400, Leo Famulari wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 01:33:46PM +0200, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: >> > The problem is described in : >> >=20 >> > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >> > timestamps_in_documentation_generated_by_podman: >> > description: | >> > The module Pod::Man includes timestamps in its embedded manpages: >> > http://sources.debian.net/src/perl/latest/cpan/podlators/lib/Pod/M= an.pm/?hl=3D1700#L977 >> > They should be based on the mtime of the original file. >> > url: https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds/TimestampsInManpages= GeneratedByPodMan >>=20 >> According to the information on this page, we should set POD_MAN_DATE >> while building. Should we make the perl-build-system export this >> variable? Set to SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH? > > I noticed that Pod::Man is supposed to respect SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH, as of > the upstream module version 4.03 (released 2015-12-06). Does anyone know > how to check the version of the module bundled into perl? For the record, even though Pod::Man supposedly honors SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH as of Perl 5.24, we still have this problem: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- $ diff -r /gnu/store/hczskszmhm2l65vy8nv990lzc5dk3ln9-perl-algorithm-c3-0.1= 0{,-check} diff -r /gnu/store/hczskszmhm2l65vy8nv990lzc5dk3ln9-perl-algorithm-c3-0.10/= lib/perl5/5.24.0/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/perllocal.pod /gnu/store/hczsksz= mhm2l65vy8nv990lzc5dk3ln9-perl-algorithm-c3-0.10-check/lib/perl5/5.24.0/x86= _64-linux-thread-multi/perllocal.pod 1c1 < =3Dhead2 Wed Jan 11 22:20:36 2017: C L --- > =3Dhead2 Wed Jan 11 22:20:34 2017: C L --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 12 12:24:57 2017 Received: (at 23776) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2017 17:24:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51757 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cRj7R-0005Bw-BX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:24:57 -0500 Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.26]:50293) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cRj7O-0005Bm-Ln for 23776@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:24:56 -0500 Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1332520BE3; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:24:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h=cc :content-type:date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=KH2NDaUjccIPHJLhThGkns2w+Bs=; b=Wxf4/7 U6SP/Gfhvb3zCJJiCr7ygakugu/Oh6N1zr2R3wmboY+CstDGrtC2M4QuIXNU7V7b Fnv3bS6o5bybNbbD4SBfNVYYn2IEt4WBA0agTN/qjLxKWWqzjjL31o7ekSbU7ofj vjvabSLsQ2ar04AmTZIjGQI+dhCeIu+VbIKmE= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=KH2NDaUjccIPHJ LhThGkns2w+Bs=; b=PS53H46xdnxanF/UPVD21ddB39DdeGwmtrVrBQe6lBq3aJ uxGiRmYxAZadBEOfg20XrcVc1Hzo5zew1dxO6Cr1CNzUpgSnYkaYROZiZxXi/M9e fxlihBFM1biIimlLmJSVWUr/OexETvEWe1nq0+yWktKE2A5kLHd8FVDTKS7AY= X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: eBz6J9vUFapnn6df+y2l3jzm7lwz+u8ePdqZDsyVTYq8 1484241893 Received: from localhost (unknown [188.113.81.93]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A28BD7E057; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:24:53 -0500 (EST) From: Marius Bakke To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= , Leo Famulari Subject: Re: bug#23776: Perl's .pod files include timestamps, making Perl package builds non-deterministic In-Reply-To: <87mvexuta8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87fusdgyg5.fsf@gnu.org> <20160616153927.GB2245@jasmine> <20160619173154.GA26953@jasmine> <87mvexuta8.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.23.4 (https://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/25.1.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 18:24:52 +0100 Message-ID: <87k2a06viz.fsf@kirby.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23776 Cc: 23776@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > Leo Famulari skribis: > >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:39:27AM -0400, Leo Famulari wrote: >>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 01:33:46PM +0200, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: >>> > The problem is described in : >>> >=20 >>> > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >>> > timestamps_in_documentation_generated_by_podman: >>> > description: | >>> > The module Pod::Man includes timestamps in its embedded manpages: >>> > http://sources.debian.net/src/perl/latest/cpan/podlators/lib/Pod/= Man.pm/?hl=3D1700#L977 >>> > They should be based on the mtime of the original file. >>> > url: https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds/TimestampsInManpage= sGeneratedByPodMan >>>=20 >>> According to the information on this page, we should set POD_MAN_DATE >>> while building. Should we make the perl-build-system export this >>> variable? Set to SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH? >> >> I noticed that Pod::Man is supposed to respect SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH, as of >> the upstream module version 4.03 (released 2015-12-06). Does anyone know >> how to check the version of the module bundled into perl? > > For the record, even though Pod::Man supposedly honors SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH > as of Perl 5.24, we still have this problem: > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > $ diff -r /gnu/store/hczskszmhm2l65vy8nv990lzc5dk3ln9-perl-algorithm-c3-0= .10{,-check} > diff -r /gnu/store/hczskszmhm2l65vy8nv990lzc5dk3ln9-perl-algorithm-c3-0.1= 0/lib/perl5/5.24.0/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/perllocal.pod /gnu/store/hczsk= szmhm2l65vy8nv990lzc5dk3ln9-perl-algorithm-c3-0.10-check/lib/perl5/5.24.0/x= 86_64-linux-thread-multi/perllocal.pod > 1c1 > < =3Dhead2 Wed Jan 11 22:20:36 2017: C L > --- >> =3Dhead2 Wed Jan 11 22:20:34 2017: C L > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Isn't this fixed by be12f4e27505edd87c4aa457fec43dd0fee23b79 from 'core-updates'? --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEu7At3yzq9qgNHeZDoqBt8qM6VPoFAlh3u+QACgkQoqBt8qM6 VPp0jQgAik8c4mgOugv+iCjxbds0eJgezsC6i+OIfDsWyHLhMtYRnt9M/YMk1Siq Unu0GQEC9bsNRAAjo/LDoryuoNo65bbja50Cj9kHw/6Ads3olMS0ZbXd1wtAfD1M jgQSiOTLBVrgsb3oMu339fJG7MgFCyhUfCsSCYx90ifReyYwvu5gOqU5MUtFGsTz Bd1qnfCpqGJ/quc8YWOKhRm7iYnKJH0+g8sboCxNWrrM7xFefiXoCu3QtrX6vLSq jSWCKRXw4aY5Tdi+ctQ/ETAsgmMiLnPouEczL4TtY5Gpeq1vJNQsWSvcm8Ae8LZN NBPqnA/fYfYlDDzHHZwBaVUXeTIvTA== =Xuck -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 13 03:02:53 2017 Received: (at 23776) by debbugs.gnu.org; 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Fri, 13 Jan 2017 03:02:41 -0500 From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) To: Marius Bakke Subject: Re: bug#23776: Perl's .pod files include timestamps, making Perl package builds non-deterministic References: <87fusdgyg5.fsf@gnu.org> <20160616153927.GB2245@jasmine> <20160619173154.GA26953@jasmine> <87mvexuta8.fsf@gnu.org> <87k2a06viz.fsf@kirby.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 24 =?utf-8?Q?Niv=C3=B4se?= an 225 de la =?utf-8?Q?R?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 09:02:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87k2a06viz.fsf@kirby.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> (Marius Bakke's message of "Thu, 12 Jan 2017 18:24:52 +0100") Message-ID: <87wpdzl750.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23776 Cc: 23776@debbugs.gnu.org, Leo Famulari X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) Marius Bakke skribis: > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > >> Leo Famulari skribis: >> >>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:39:27AM -0400, Leo Famulari wrote: >>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 01:33:46PM +0200, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: >>>> > The problem is described in : >>>> >=20 >>>> > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >>>> > timestamps_in_documentation_generated_by_podman: >>>> > description: | >>>> > The module Pod::Man includes timestamps in its embedded manpages: >>>> > http://sources.debian.net/src/perl/latest/cpan/podlators/lib/Pod= /Man.pm/?hl=3D1700#L977 >>>> > They should be based on the mtime of the original file. >>>> > url: https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds/TimestampsInManpag= esGeneratedByPodMan >>>>=20 >>>> According to the information on this page, we should set POD_MAN_DATE >>>> while building. Should we make the perl-build-system export this >>>> variable? Set to SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH? >>> >>> I noticed that Pod::Man is supposed to respect SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH, as of >>> the upstream module version 4.03 (released 2015-12-06). Does anyone know >>> how to check the version of the module bundled into perl? >> >> For the record, even though Pod::Man supposedly honors SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH >> as of Perl 5.24, we still have this problem: >> >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >> $ diff -r /gnu/store/hczskszmhm2l65vy8nv990lzc5dk3ln9-perl-algorithm-c3-= 0.10{,-check} >> diff -r /gnu/store/hczskszmhm2l65vy8nv990lzc5dk3ln9-perl-algorithm-c3-0.= 10/lib/perl5/5.24.0/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/perllocal.pod /gnu/store/hczs= kszmhm2l65vy8nv990lzc5dk3ln9-perl-algorithm-c3-0.10-check/lib/perl5/5.24.0/= x86_64-linux-thread-multi/perllocal.pod >> 1c1 >> < =3Dhead2 Wed Jan 11 22:20:36 2017: C L >> --- >>> =3Dhead2 Wed Jan 11 22:20:34 2017: C L >> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > Isn't this fixed by be12f4e27505edd87c4aa457fec43dd0fee23b79 from > 'core-updates'? Oh, probably! I had forgotten about it, thanks for the heads-up. Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 31 11:17:40 2017 Received: (at 23776-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Oct 2017 15:17:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44364 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e9YIN-0004hI-RE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 11:17:40 -0400 Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([141.255.128.1]:41632) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e9YIM-0004hA-16 for 23776-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 11:17:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC452FACA; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 16:17:38 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at aquilenet.fr Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hera.aquilenet.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SLtL8QtJhpQU; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 16:17:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from ribbon (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 31053FAC3; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 16:17:37 +0100 (CET) From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) To: Marius Bakke Subject: Re: bug#23776: Perl's .pod files include timestamps, making Perl package builds non-deterministic References: <87fusdgyg5.fsf@gnu.org> <20160616153927.GB2245@jasmine> <20160619173154.GA26953@jasmine> <87mvexuta8.fsf@gnu.org> <87k2a06viz.fsf@kirby.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87wpdzl750.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 16:17:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87wpdzl750.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic \=\?utf-8\?Q\?Court\=C3\=A8s\=22'\?\= \=\?utf-8\?Q\?s\?\= message of "Fri, 13 Jan 2017 09:02:35 +0100") Message-ID: <87o9onxs6o.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23776-done Cc: 23776-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Leo Famulari X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) skribis: > Marius Bakke skribis: > >> Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: [...] >>> For the record, even though Pod::Man supposedly honors SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH >>> as of Perl 5.24, we still have this problem: >>> >>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >>> $ diff -r /gnu/store/hczskszmhm2l65vy8nv990lzc5dk3ln9-perl-algorithm-c3= -0.10{,-check} >>> diff -r /gnu/store/hczskszmhm2l65vy8nv990lzc5dk3ln9-perl-algorithm-c3-0= .10/lib/perl5/5.24.0/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/perllocal.pod /gnu/store/hcz= skszmhm2l65vy8nv990lzc5dk3ln9-perl-algorithm-c3-0.10-check/lib/perl5/5.24.0= /x86_64-linux-thread-multi/perllocal.pod >>> 1c1 >>> < =3Dhead2 Wed Jan 11 22:20:36 2017: C L >>> --- >>>> =3Dhead2 Wed Jan 11 22:20:34 2017: C L >>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- >> >> Isn't this fixed by be12f4e27505edd87c4aa457fec43dd0fee23b79 from >> 'core-updates'? > > Oh, probably! I had forgotten about it, thanks for the heads-up. Closing this bug! Ludo=E2=80=99. From unknown Sun Aug 17 22:02:02 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator