From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 11 11:54:24 2016 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jun 2016 15:54:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37341 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bBlEt-0006kR-S7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:54:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45745) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bBlEs-0006kF-RP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:54:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bBlEl-0005CV-Qf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:54:17 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:43692) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bBlEl-0005CO-NI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:54:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36709) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bBlEi-0002R4-KA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:54:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bBlEe-0005Bk-Ds for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:54:11 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:54413) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bBlEe-0005Be-2p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:54:08 -0400 Received: from rosalinde ([89.245.73.202]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0McVns-1auENp1f6m-00Hgfk for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 17:54:05 +0200 From: Stephen Berman To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 17:54:04 +0200 Message-ID: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.95 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:PB9W0g47PS63/c7h/1sRbetckGxre3uwoCFPrLxQije68nbqmqY eibsRWITsQ2i+D9fZOn5TR3GqzhqiKq9aKr6spQ7enFZWx3jSh/gRdvm+DPcQDhhdeGw4QM aDSlpW3lh2j+Jz74/ijC0TJFv2DqsT1DNToldMR91pxYRXxXyk8dXB85oVMAn55ptFZXzkq +M9/xdMcCXFwchYYRZf8Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:ZKhZ1EMu4ps=:RuEEg7fXw4yyd0+pWBxjM2 wKDh7etRGPAjPdPNSuZpfXrfG9XZBHELqsHZnuHktnj7wwVNY95ZbEK+BYLV166/AsyoWysNV 4eR9I4+cDMSH4zsMw7mvkS2WGYe2sqTYXHnFUff6f0Ma0lbLXshcYr4imdCILTuh8AEFFct4R CS77/z1wLZI6u1dU4zrJdEzn//cABA1LbufPCJnChmjgrxrWcQHIYwZ+8bIYxsaZDPoTdV/Wb x0FNrh5qbsX6afd+spipMMyBeWzfCF4RozLr4WwcE+bJcyHX2BES+Rl5gXTMVgbwNVlKcG+84 Xd9BnM4aGE/NkKNHXPMfHZPo3DXHKFlM2oLzpoU+Qi9BXCciADAj3Y0hMGOx4fLzln7mTYFqy q3QdfVMxrxmLYrpBzXPQrzqvtUbMsOODaeEHh2BjV4EVaptYepV97o9jEl/DNtRogMa7W81r2 41pI+LAvwUYDXtSdisK1E5kRuldhX3bz08SexQBe+44WegFr9Hx3cRXFSWqAei3tPeBJjfA+A forBQZF8cxAioAVN5p6os+4K2WZH9202O1RmJkiynYWKLFqI7tnzaBhPNVa23jNEwZc/bXm2g 4GlNscSONY4DC5QJOrE88cHWDa8Yj8Lq3kyxk3FCZYoRhXJXa8zThG9KCQB57fUXvWw+Hv74J ooabOavl7i6yRcTB3J/pTOb8sU6Cz8a/KWZv2JX+gc2WrUJPi18/SXi5MXxNQTXsjcRBAArFC MYuy2TAXu+QZIRouXpHM9oGHim2pIzDPSP1RGy75NoOG1/OxWGBAdU/HrKHGbO/l6JjUnV8nH wfGvrGY X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) In GNU Emacs 25.0.95.1 (x86_64-suse-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.15) of 2016-06-11 built on rosalinde Repository revision: 6921f4a5961fb53f8fb24d1a5a3f94266f990f6e diff --git a/doc/emacs/files.texi b/doc/emacs/files.texi index 3bbb3cd..fc46ef7 100644 --- a/doc/emacs/files.texi +++ b/doc/emacs/files.texi @@ -701,7 +701,7 @@ Customize Save can undo it.) If the value is @code{visit-save}, Emacs adds such newlines both on visiting and on saving. If the value is @code{nil}, Emacs leaves the end of the file unchanged; any other non-@code{nil} -value means to asks you whether to add a newline. The default is +value means Emacs asks you whether to add a newline. The default is @code{nil}. @vindex mode-require-final-newline diff --git a/doc/emacs/frames.texi b/doc/emacs/frames.texi index a7e709f..7e60062 100644 --- a/doc/emacs/frames.texi +++ b/doc/emacs/frames.texi @@ -1011,7 +1011,7 @@ Window Dividers On graphical displays, you can use @dfn{window dividers} in order to separate windows visually. Window dividers are bars that can be dragged -with the mouse, thus allowing to easily resize adjacent windows. +with the mouse, thus allowing you to easily resize adjacent windows. @findex window-divider-mode To toggle the display of window dividers, use the command @kbd{M-x diff --git a/doc/emacs/misc.texi b/doc/emacs/misc.texi index 497a4ab..853b978 100644 --- a/doc/emacs/misc.texi +++ b/doc/emacs/misc.texi @@ -1885,7 +1885,7 @@ Printing @findex lpr-region @vindex lpr-switches @vindex lpr-commands - On most operating system, the above hardcopy commands submit files + On most operating systems, the above hardcopy commands submit files for printing by calling the @command{lpr} program. To change the printer program, customize the variable @code{lpr-command}. To specify extra switches to give the printer program, customize the list diff --git a/doc/lispref/compile.texi b/doc/lispref/compile.texi index c943a6a..f6cd022 100644 --- a/doc/lispref/compile.texi +++ b/doc/lispref/compile.texi @@ -438,7 +438,7 @@ Compiler Errors messages. When an error is due to invalid syntax in the program, the byte -compiler might get confused about the errors' exact location. One way +compiler might get confused about the error's exact location. One way to investigate is to switch to the buffer @w{@file{ *Compiler Input*}}. (This buffer name starts with a space, so it does not show up in the Buffer Menu.) This buffer contains the program being diff --git a/doc/lispref/control.texi b/doc/lispref/control.texi index 0cdb035..6179500 100644 --- a/doc/lispref/control.texi +++ b/doc/lispref/control.texi @@ -289,11 +289,11 @@ Conditionals @end example @menu -* Pattern matching case statement:: +* Pattern Matching Case Statement:: @end menu -@node Pattern matching case statement -@subsection Pattern matching case statement +@node Pattern Matching Case Statement +@subsection Pattern Matching Case Statement @cindex pcase @cindex pattern matching diff --git a/doc/lispref/elisp.texi b/doc/lispref/elisp.texi index a3bff0b..f9f155e 100644 --- a/doc/lispref/elisp.texi +++ b/doc/lispref/elisp.texi @@ -469,7 +469,7 @@ Top Conditionals -* Pattern matching case statement:: How to use @code{pcase}. +* Pattern Matching Case Statement:: How to use @code{pcase}. Nonlocal Exits diff --git a/doc/lispref/keymaps.texi b/doc/lispref/keymaps.texi index 61ac80c..f5d3811 100644 --- a/doc/lispref/keymaps.texi +++ b/doc/lispref/keymaps.texi @@ -1368,7 +1368,7 @@ Changing Key Bindings The function @code{substitute-key-definition} scans a keymap for keys that have a certain binding and rebinds them with a different binding. Another feature which is cleaner and can often produce the -same results to remap one command into another (@pxref{Remapping +same results is to remap one command into another (@pxref{Remapping Commands}). @defun substitute-key-definition olddef newdef keymap &optional oldmap diff --git a/doc/lispref/loading.texi b/doc/lispref/loading.texi index d2d38d7..81a1922 100644 --- a/doc/lispref/loading.texi +++ b/doc/lispref/loading.texi @@ -848,8 +848,8 @@ Named Features associated with @var{feature} are or will be available for other Lisp programs. -The direct effect of calling @code{provide} is if not already in -@var{features} then to add @var{feature} to the front of that list and +The direct effect of calling @code{provide} is to add @var{feature} to +the front of @code{features} if it is not already in that list and call any @code{eval-after-load} code waiting for it (@pxref{Hooks for Loading}). The argument @var{feature} must be a symbol. @code{provide} returns @var{feature}. diff --git a/doc/lispref/markers.texi b/doc/lispref/markers.texi index 1c90466..1b4d74f 100644 --- a/doc/lispref/markers.texi +++ b/doc/lispref/markers.texi @@ -340,10 +340,10 @@ Marker Insertion Types This function reports the current insertion type of @var{marker}. @end defun -Most functions that create markers, without an argument allowing to -specify the insertion type, create them with insertion type -@code{nil}. Also, the mark has, by default, insertion type -@code{nil}. +All functions that create markers without accepting an argument that +specifies the insertion type, create them with insertion type +@code{nil} (@pxref{Creating Markers}). Also, the mark has, by +default, insertion type @code{nil}. @node Moving Markers @section Moving Marker Positions diff --git a/doc/lispref/modes.texi b/doc/lispref/modes.texi index ae79128..4c96e63 100644 --- a/doc/lispref/modes.texi +++ b/doc/lispref/modes.texi @@ -899,7 +899,7 @@ Mode Hooks or fail to run @code{after-change-major-mode-hook}. If you encounter such a major mode, please correct it to follow these conventions. - When you defined a major mode using @code{define-derived-mode}, it + When you define a major mode using @code{define-derived-mode}, it automatically makes sure these conventions are followed. If you define a major mode ``by hand'', not using @code{define-derived-mode}, use the following functions to handle these conventions automatically. @@ -1048,7 +1048,7 @@ Tabulated List Mode @defun tabulated-list-init-header This function computes and sets @code{header-line-format} for the Tabulated List buffer (@pxref{Header Lines}), and assigns a keymap to -the header line to allow sort entries by clicking on column headers. +the header line to allow sorting entries by clicking on column headers. Modes derived from Tabulated List mode should call this after setting the above variables (in particular, only after setting diff --git a/doc/lispref/processes.texi b/doc/lispref/processes.texi index 03ae1f0..4977d2c 100644 --- a/doc/lispref/processes.texi +++ b/doc/lispref/processes.texi @@ -506,7 +506,7 @@ Synchronous Processes @defun call-process-shell-command command &optional infile destination display This function executes the shell command @var{command} synchronously. The arguments are handled as in @code{call-process}. An old calling -convention allowed to pass any number of additional arguments after +convention allowed passing any number of additional arguments after @var{display}, which were concatenated to @var{command}; this is still supported, but strongly discouraged. @end defun @@ -515,7 +515,7 @@ Synchronous Processes This function is like @code{call-process-shell-command}, but uses @code{process-file} internally. Depending on @code{default-directory}, @var{command} can be executed also on remote hosts. An old calling -convention allowed to pass any number of additional arguments after +convention allowed passing any number of additional arguments after @var{display}, which were concatenated to @var{command}; this is still supported, but strongly discouraged. @end defun @@ -1382,12 +1382,13 @@ Process Buffers @end defun If the process's buffer is displayed in a window, your Lisp program -may wish telling the process the dimensions of that window, so that -the process could adapt its output to those dimensions, much as it -adapts to the screen dimensions. The following functions allow to -communicate this kind of information to processes; however, not all -systems support the underlying functionality, so it is best to provide -fallbacks, e.g., via command-line arguments or environment variables. +may wish to tell the process the dimensions of that window, so that +the process can adapt its output to those dimensions, much as it +adapts to the screen dimensions. The following functions allow your +program to communicate this kind of information to processes; however, +not all systems support the underlying functionality, so it is best to +provide fallbacks, e.g., via command-line arguments or environment +variables. @defun set-process-window-size process height width Tell @var{process} that its logical window size has dimensions diff --git a/doc/lispref/text.texi b/doc/lispref/text.texi index 96f109b..7791c26 100644 --- a/doc/lispref/text.texi +++ b/doc/lispref/text.texi @@ -1376,10 +1376,10 @@ Undo the effects of one command. A few exceptional commands are @dfn{amalgamating}: these commands generally cause small changes to buffers, so with these a boundary is inserted only every 20th command, -allowing to undo them as a group. By default, commands +allowing the changes to be undone as a group. By default, the commands @code{self-insert-command}, which produces self-inserting input -characters (@pxref{Commands for Insertion}), and @code{delete-char} -which deletes characters (@pxref{Deletion}) are amalgamating. +characters (@pxref{Commands for Insertion}), and @code{delete-char}, +which deletes characters (@pxref{Deletion}), are amalgamating. Where a command affects the contents of several buffers, as may happen, for example, when a function on the @code{post-command-hook} affects a buffer other than the @code{current-buffer}, then @code{undo-boundary} diff --git a/src/floatfns.c b/src/floatfns.c index c1bd258..f514fcb 100644 --- a/src/floatfns.c +++ b/src/floatfns.c @@ -185,8 +185,8 @@ If X is zero, both parts (SGNFCAND and EXP) are zero. */) } DEFUN ("ldexp", Fldexp, Sldexp, 2, 2, 0, - doc: /* Return X * 2**EXP, as a floating point number. -EXP must be an integer. */) + doc: /* Return SGNFCAND * 2**EXPONENT, as a floating point number. +EXPONENT must be an integer. */) (Lisp_Object sgnfcand, Lisp_Object exponent) { CHECK_NUMBER (exponent); diff --git a/src/xfaces.c b/src/xfaces.c index 88f5f34..5077cb2 100644 --- a/src/xfaces.c +++ b/src/xfaces.c @@ -6503,8 +6503,8 @@ REPLACEMENT is a face specification, i.e. one of the following: (3) a list in which each element has the form of (1) or (2). List values for REPLACEMENT are merged to form the final face -specification, with earlier entries taking precedence, in the same as -as in the `face' text property. +specification, with earlier entries taking precedence, in the same way +as with the `face' text property. Face-name remapping cycles are suppressed; recursive references use the underlying face instead of the remapped face. So a remapping of From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 11 12:08:24 2016 Received: (at 23746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jun 2016 16:08:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37348 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bBlSS-000767-ER for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 12:08:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49305) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bBlSR-00075u-8I for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 12:08:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bBlSH-0008T3-3N for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 12:08:18 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52314) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bBlSH-0008Sx-07; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 12:08:13 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1479 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bBlSF-0000OE-7a; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 12:08:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 19:08:57 +0300 Message-Id: <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stephen Berman In-reply-to: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> (message from Stephen Berman on Sat, 11 Jun 2016 17:54:04 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#23746: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) References: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23746 Cc: 23746@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > From: Stephen Berman > Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 17:54:04 +0200 > > In GNU Emacs 25.0.95.1 (x86_64-suse-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.15) > of 2016-06-11 built on rosalinde > Repository revision: 6921f4a5961fb53f8fb24d1a5a3f94266f990f6e Thanks. Please go ahead and push to the release branch, with the following 2 exceptions: > --- a/doc/lispref/control.texi > +++ b/doc/lispref/control.texi > @@ -289,11 +289,11 @@ Conditionals > @end example > > @menu > -* Pattern matching case statement:: > +* Pattern Matching Case Statement:: > @end menu This and related changes just change the letter-case, which isn't worth the hassle (and could break cross-references from other manuals). > @@ -1382,12 +1382,13 @@ Process Buffers > @end defun > > If the process's buffer is displayed in a window, your Lisp program > -may wish telling the process the dimensions of that window, so that > -the process could adapt its output to those dimensions, much as it > -adapts to the screen dimensions. The following functions allow to > -communicate this kind of information to processes; however, not all > -systems support the underlying functionality, so it is best to provide > -fallbacks, e.g., via command-line arguments or environment variables. > +may wish to tell the process the dimensions of that window, so that > +the process can adapt its output to those dimensions, much as it > +adapts to the screen dimensions. The following functions allow your > +program to communicate this kind of information to processes; however, > +not all systems support the underlying functionality, so it is best to > +provide fallbacks, e.g., via command-line arguments or environment > +variables. This goes against the rest of the changes, which correctly made the opposite replacement. I see no reason to make the opposite change here. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 11 12:33:08 2016 Received: (at 23746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jun 2016 16:33:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37376 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bBlqN-0000sN-Qv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 12:33:08 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:50353) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bBlqL-0000rs-Qc for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 12:33:06 -0400 Received: from rosalinde ([89.245.73.202]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MhQju-1aqNMu3j2w-00Mfa8; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 18:32:59 +0200 From: Stephen Berman To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#23746: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) References: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 18:32:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 11 Jun 2016 19:08:57 +0300") Message-ID: <87d1nnofd2.fsf@gmx.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.95 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Bw+2WrGGXVIOTOrUPXCQqHTuH0SUNJ6mmLckJvumqVSUeK0+7ck V3UZIncgFVj3HmL/qaWBiLeMV/NcsWZfMp+ZYSH8nxVRMCwia5J/qHxJiMbN6a8akxauDQn mz3ViWF/U17G5oDkghUkeG5PYWwl0FvHKv0ogmsmES9hKH2piD/3NmEf+cnEUV3x2A6rrwM weHkXngcunA0GzcuYvxSQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:zUNt2hhMKBo=:RWJ/svvGoBcdXln0DEv1vf HFhCISFuxxyo6ql79JZokOfLttq5X4iPf4jwKZILzv5fkuf3vKGXFUVoC2dbSb+qZ6k7UcSlc 5lLAAD8elVjqJXXhFGErOmeux1UAzLb8NShVDLLhKwZurL35ahuj9s/5KFvx93TWvHMNzQMhf PM02nkaHoKiP5+laUfs0RLa31+3mf/buHACITTFACX/emzODsV6aZb9OFUkLNYW96uRfnPyDn tv1wlxVF/VIi4FUicPNvX5BierbWp2KjByhXqDqKbsnbYCPDCg8egCUEqdnnE6sLORkc/OX+q 1oENKVWWUWoVyre2l+UUhJ1f8FdfYtic9LewU+NG0gi8c696y0KVY7XKjBMPNk+aKdJtuOuH4 +7z1tmgtbOTzmCok3oTDymtzgRsbwvgDY1S4Ia5I7xHsBjKOnl0WGq3xWHE9kbtps6Jie7VSF ySHyGJE0RGN0tdn0aDBslMkOPR3Kypr+TFNoGjwgBXhfbzmL05osbRNC1h2d83LSJbpfvCQh8 XK7HdcRp69oAuqWIwF/CoQJyacn5AyTpV5kkl3QqPEQmIGj3bKzrwm5xuFK00gjxAjV0909GN /4OKZGexfoKyaZaVd+89tvC68tby0krYcS2E4w80NyoCEbI30TRSFEEOOD79OgBdVHWjf4GIl N0pKI9plwHfKReOHwqKk8CbdlNrSOhcV+TiOm+hMXQnkos2HVmm7bZGZFWSl94uu6o39Wk1L2 KZYmzcwEzzZ7zMAN7coyq9H3hBd6EahW7aYjlzL9lOIjM2KuqFXx8sZkGNVOxY22krkt3xSTn mQQgO/8 X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23746 Cc: 23746@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 19:08:57 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Stephen Berman >> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 17:54:04 +0200 >> >> In GNU Emacs 25.0.95.1 (x86_64-suse-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.15) >> of 2016-06-11 built on rosalinde >> Repository revision: 6921f4a5961fb53f8fb24d1a5a3f94266f990f6e > > Thanks. Please go ahead and push to the release branch, with the > following 2 exceptions: [...] >> @@ -1382,12 +1382,13 @@ Process Buffers >> @end defun >> >> If the process's buffer is displayed in a window, your Lisp program >> -may wish telling the process the dimensions of that window, so that ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> -the process could adapt its output to those dimensions, much as it ^^^^^ >> -adapts to the screen dimensions. The following functions allow to ^^^^^^^^ >> -communicate this kind of information to processes; however, not all ^^^^^^^^^^^ >> -systems support the underlying functionality, so it is best to provide >> -fallbacks, e.g., via command-line arguments or environment variables. >> +may wish to tell the process the dimensions of that window, so that ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> +the process can adapt its output to those dimensions, much as it ^^^ >> +adapts to the screen dimensions. The following functions allow your ^^^^^^^^^^ >> +program to communicate this kind of information to processes; however, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> +not all systems support the underlying functionality, so it is best to >> +provide fallbacks, e.g., via command-line arguments or environment >> +variables. > > This goes against the rest of the changes, which correctly made the > opposite replacement. I see no reason to make the opposite change > here. I don't understand what you mean; the changes in that hunk are strictly grammatical corrections (underlined). Steve Berman From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 11 15:22:03 2016 Received: (at 23746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jun 2016 19:22:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37454 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bBoTr-0006hJ-AV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:22:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55009) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bBoTp-0006gp-GG for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:22:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bBoTh-0006eh-89 for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:21:56 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:55225) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bBoTh-0006ed-4f; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:21:53 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1561 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bBoTg-0003XU-0Q; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 15:21:52 -0400 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 22:22:39 +0300 Message-Id: <83bn37h6o0.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stephen Berman In-reply-to: <87d1nnofd2.fsf@gmx.net> (message from Stephen Berman on Sat, 11 Jun 2016 18:32:57 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#23746: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) References: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1nnofd2.fsf@gmx.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23746 Cc: 23746@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > From: Stephen Berman > Cc: 23746@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 18:32:57 +0200 > > >> If the process's buffer is displayed in a window, your Lisp program > >> -may wish telling the process the dimensions of that window, so that > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> -the process could adapt its output to those dimensions, much as it > ^^^^^ > >> -adapts to the screen dimensions. The following functions allow to > ^^^^^^^^ > >> -communicate this kind of information to processes; however, not all > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> -systems support the underlying functionality, so it is best to provide > >> -fallbacks, e.g., via command-line arguments or environment variables. > >> +may wish to tell the process the dimensions of that window, so that > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> +the process can adapt its output to those dimensions, much as it > ^^^ > >> +adapts to the screen dimensions. The following functions allow your > ^^^^^^^^^^ > >> +program to communicate this kind of information to processes; however, > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> +not all systems support the underlying functionality, so it is best to > >> +provide fallbacks, e.g., via command-line arguments or environment > >> +variables. > > > > This goes against the rest of the changes, which correctly made the > > opposite replacement. I see no reason to make the opposite change > > here. > > I don't understand what you mean; the changes in that hunk are strictly > grammatical corrections (underlined). Yes. They are just backwards: "may wish telling" => "may wish to tell". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 11 16:21:32 2016 Received: (at 23746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jun 2016 20:21:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37461 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bBpPQ-00081e-1e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 16:21:32 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f45.google.com ([209.85.218.45]:33188) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bBpPK-00081N-8x for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 16:21:30 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f45.google.com with SMTP id u201so31669297oie.0 for <23746@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 13:21:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=9zqzmB48oHDTCtDf1S93lENHT1Y4fChtIGjFM9+kNvY=; b=Z8s7/e9uY24DR5TNxcrW/5UVBhoqAnTfqom4as4Efi/Gmt9hMtXCqqE9oicXQ4uh0C q1kMNmbTUmf9FZarfcVdWc0OeSs8VgyQZQrYviXPdZA4QetVwgWfnGJz3SHXb4Z23dOH l++GrRMgBGWiGlFQ15nNHQOuiuu5p1eKKG0mMpj13oWiKA0jgEIq58oz8E1EU3X3CYic p/VQw2myYDeq+M4V7elWnqmsguS3TlUOH+rDXoNf+73367NXDJEehfMO5nQ2sZ/EM9Qn 4bbU1BQ+HoG4AzKiAThdeI6dLV8r2p7Sv41JuqWw4LyNQSCss+ER1VfzTG7GFXr3QuUh UzOQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9zqzmB48oHDTCtDf1S93lENHT1Y4fChtIGjFM9+kNvY=; b=KFbsDc2lZcIItsJjusEctyKBUaxH/ABp1HTHifa1GJ6a47mH3l5zuNgeFHB5F+ZyqY xcCrgtIRycNRSS+hraGGc15jyiky25k0lleDsE4lcUrnzJIkzL2255CE+bzexDQFDYmO rQ1g2CdIkaFowfhf5oCV1ucbIjLCuYnY3wmz0FDu8iL2b6+aSrAecw2dZFCfosSRZ3mZ 0y8NBZ4o48wAny4r941AXqDPoyx+Nggcl9JgLLNdLk2SSrhh45rtHvbBcbd/V5Z4foDM qkdIvzGxDI4artsr2T1Z5wfwZclTaSIaLiMMQOpRiX53fx6ck09/HW5A7Zdc65z9tX/5 TBQQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tK+CGf88NGv8Cx1tvGnSgDb4tiSCMbcHNOAMR8KOgpnMGjFMHqjaHrfQtUt0XYzLZzBTlzb0x+bSbA3xw== X-Received: by 10.157.51.74 with SMTP id u10mr4471031otd.124.1465676480330; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 13:21:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.5.168 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 13:21:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83bn37h6o0.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1nnofd2.fsf@gmx.net> <83bn37h6o0.fsf@gnu.org> From: Noam Postavsky Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 16:21:19 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: z4iyoVLcyidioHT58cKfmm2peCo Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#23746: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23746 Cc: Stephen Berman , 23746@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> > >> > This goes against the rest of the changes, which correctly made the >> > opposite replacement. I see no reason to make the opposite change >> > here. >> >> I don't understand what you mean; the changes in that hunk are strictly >> grammatical corrections (underlined). > > Yes. They are just backwards: "may wish telling" => "may wish to tell". > As a native English speaker, "your Lisp program may wish telling the process" sounds obviously incorrect (though I'm not sure how to explain why in terms of grammatical rules). Whereas, "your Lisp program may wish to tell the process" is correct. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 12 13:58:51 2016 Received: (at 23746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jun 2016 17:58:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38236 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bC9et-0001Ph-6t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 13:58:51 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:55761) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bC9er-0001PT-AW for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 13:58:49 -0400 Received: from rosalinde ([89.245.69.202]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0ML7NR-1bBsfc3745-000ISO; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:58:29 +0200 From: Stephen Berman To: Noam Postavsky Subject: Re: bug#23746: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) References: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1nnofd2.fsf@gmx.net> <83bn37h6o0.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:58:27 +0200 Message-ID: <871t421e7w.fsf@gmx.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.95 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:ZgfK6K7FNw7uh1uErO+6B/SPOKrz/eqXSYMmZ3n1htRVjumHmS9 y9YsXE7KVOs2TbMarn0dMCpV3l5e6Ipcd3ehvjlJ44Hs3gNrAPl7XgFbxdhRi83+p0qXch+ lzwst2Ijda2x3WYe4cEWW7peFRaOyepfHvg4hKzuoxMVUkY3LijOChdBiMhj8Qi4OBvW30H Pm8+Ozd4pMKgW+kLGNitA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:IwRSR+ok3/E=:nh7com7e615H23BsiA2w1k dhUm6CxkLtlLJJRySb989ETJgzTK6UTkUS2FwhuAtM/Gne9GqR6ipEZUoSQeQNCEIlPYdps7b 5h+hYXyCo0VAjENO7olYSbbCF0sOzs31CA6vKB3ZhXZ/PJUHXbVyr6CZSIoHTQyqitwTnVwpk cuEDiCQzvHjsX/95qZI54u15KRBCzpUbnrYn5m8+PVl62sgwu6VvwppCmjKVXR/IIk1oS4d1+ ty6C1BjHr7FKFGoK2H4pcsMA7F2AGin0lGqbB4EsDurGxgAwMq5jqsWPh28Fl/e9y+1SROYne p1FFTiX2nkp7ShwwcmlI6bYV/pxbRHj22cKRQBDBn4Zajrfk7LHfq2XN1L0V5Neyg7ZjrD7za 8iyBAQQTB1PrYuRz2uSH05nQEsiQW72TqgJFMF9y+2EoI6vN8yhBmPNS8eqO12COZ9cAnYYAf Pee5d8Bj0TOrjbz2WwI1USK1qCERD953n5XN5O/bd2bf1A70CSztZbB7WDCR7yxTOR+1Y2ztF xvBV8TDz5k87Z3RnPmy5sUtVYrlQSFR0jc04kh5MxXE4LUqa5J8jkbB0zarLQv9Zof+7TDNFI IapJ2UBXEZsuNjD0BljZMBmGawQT5jaMMYhQ3KpEexjRVqyq9AaD2OJUUtd68zpGEK/mpI975 swKk7mS1eUYwZjuz149ubioR7wm0cd325UFd3g+vCeQPNHwIrBens0RBlE8vbsK6BBfHo1NNH YzoS4kKuhZC16HMfcuXkq4BimQ37RZNZnbD1HWu4nAsekIQsPdUXdSu/QSvvb2jN4UE+QwtJ0 ULASa9e X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23746 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 23746@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 16:21:19 -0400 Noam Postavsky wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> > >>> > This goes against the rest of the changes, which correctly made the >>> > opposite replacement. I see no reason to make the opposite change >>> > here. >>> >>> I don't understand what you mean; the changes in that hunk are strictly >>> grammatical corrections (underlined). >> >> Yes. They are just backwards: "may wish telling" => "may wish to tell". >> > > As a native English speaker, "your Lisp program may wish telling the > process" sounds obviously incorrect (though I'm not sure how to > explain why in terms of grammatical rules). Whereas, "your Lisp > program may wish to tell the process" is correct. That's one argument for this change; another is the statistical one based on the existing Emacs documentation: steve@rosalinde:/data/steve/git/emacs> grep -r " wish to " doc/ | wc -l 196 steve@rosalinde:/data/steve/git/emacs> grep -r " wish [a-z]*ing " doc/ doc/lispref/processes.texi:may wish telling the process the dimensions Eli, does this persuade you to accept this change too? Steve Berman From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 12 14:54:51 2016 Received: (at 23746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jun 2016 18:54:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38268 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCAX5-0004Ii-FO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:54:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60389) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCAX4-0004I7-7J for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:54:50 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bCAWt-0007tI-K6 for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:54:44 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44821) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bCAWt-0007tD-HB; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:54:39 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2912 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bCAWp-0003DN-Hx; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:54:38 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 21:55:08 +0300 Message-Id: <83vb1efd9v.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stephen Berman In-reply-to: <871t421e7w.fsf@gmx.net> (message from Stephen Berman on Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:58:27 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#23746: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) References: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1nnofd2.fsf@gmx.net> <83bn37h6o0.fsf@gnu.org> <871t421e7w.fsf@gmx.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23746 Cc: 23746@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > From: Stephen Berman > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 23746@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:58:27 +0200 > > On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 16:21:19 -0400 Noam Postavsky wrote: > > > As a native English speaker, "your Lisp program may wish telling the > > process" sounds obviously incorrect (though I'm not sure how to > > explain why in terms of grammatical rules). Whereas, "your Lisp > > program may wish to tell the process" is correct. > > That's one argument for this change; another is the statistical one > based on the existing Emacs documentation: > > steve@rosalinde:/data/steve/git/emacs> grep -r " wish to " doc/ | wc -l > 196 > steve@rosalinde:/data/steve/git/emacs> grep -r " wish [a-z]*ing " doc/ > doc/lispref/processes.texi:may wish telling the process the dimensions > > Eli, does this persuade you to accept this change too? Sorry, no. There's nothing wrong in the original wording in this case. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 12 15:40:12 2016 Received: (at 23746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jun 2016 19:40:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38290 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCBEy-0005Ny-3A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 15:40:12 -0400 Received: from limerock03.mail.cornell.edu ([128.84.13.243]:43160) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCBEw-0005Nm-Su for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 15:40:11 -0400 X-CornellRouted: This message has been Routed already. Received: from authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (granite3.serverfarm.cornell.edu [10.16.197.8]) by limerock03.mail.cornell.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4_cu) with ESMTP id u5CJe4UB015271; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 15:40:04 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.3] (mta-68-175-148-36.twcny.rr.com [68.175.148.36] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by authusersmtp.mail.cornell.edu (8.14.4/8.12.10) with ESMTP id u5CJe2NS007465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sun, 12 Jun 2016 15:40:02 -0400 Subject: Re: bug#23746: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) To: Eli Zaretskii , Stephen Berman References: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1nnofd2.fsf@gmx.net> <83bn37h6o0.fsf@gnu.org> <871t421e7w.fsf@gmx.net> <83vb1efd9v.fsf@gnu.org> From: Ken Brown Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 15:40:03 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83vb1efd9v.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Cornell-Gauge: Gauge=XXXXX X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23746 Cc: 23746@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) On 6/12/2016 2:55 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Stephen Berman >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 23746@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:58:27 +0200 >> >> On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 16:21:19 -0400 Noam Postavsky wrote: >> >>> As a native English speaker, "your Lisp program may wish telling the >>> process" sounds obviously incorrect (though I'm not sure how to >>> explain why in terms of grammatical rules). Whereas, "your Lisp >>> program may wish to tell the process" is correct. >> >> That's one argument for this change; another is the statistical one >> based on the existing Emacs documentation: >> >> steve@rosalinde:/data/steve/git/emacs> grep -r " wish to " doc/ | wc -l >> 196 >> steve@rosalinde:/data/steve/git/emacs> grep -r " wish [a-z]*ing " doc/ >> doc/lispref/processes.texi:may wish telling the process the dimensions >> >> Eli, does this persuade you to accept this change too? > > Sorry, no. There's nothing wrong in the original wording in this > case. As a native speaker of English, I agree with Noam on this. "may wish telling" sounds wrong. Ken From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 12 17:09:54 2016 Received: (at 23746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jun 2016 21:09:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38343 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCCdm-0002JA-A0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 17:09:54 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f41.google.com ([209.85.218.41]:33835) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCCdj-0002Iv-EQ for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 17:09:53 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f41.google.com with SMTP id d132so79016029oig.1 for <23746@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:09:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=fYaAbHtVqSOJ1Hmg+PrL6Osj4rZXnxGNzXThXMGooCs=; b=qt3fKDXvFUyBHWnxjZhsvUeXFn7ZQ61mhcVHecCocrwZWMC2+Vz0x5+EPGlhdDcGDD mD+f6KewwwIdqQ6JNtO+k6lRnT4qgMoCWu+jR5bSh7r16sxVwlEqFJ2mJ+rN0z9OFVNg P8+/sgRGbITQ32TqGdWqXto6SukWLlA0SkyYBghGFsV6wJ13mhWu3nw/wY+h3VzUlM1W hJsZgXd5mHrKdW1C15B7hHumqZvj4GGqxYMiLkvl2zgIXxAUD8o+KGaydwa3HYMYRdM6 KLUsQlNDGEJsVVIVhCXi02lhKny02oy5imbzEkiRvKO1KPfQqCP98gz9F8zD1K85p+Sc FYGA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fYaAbHtVqSOJ1Hmg+PrL6Osj4rZXnxGNzXThXMGooCs=; b=SxYudtrJ/mSxHVk7TiBh1RfheniW4oYMO3tcIm4oPOyKBqe9Mk7G2FrS0csOI9kOBg QvWn3zcBTRXu3RAenCa2SzZm41XfgT2vEx+C/HG7Tua/NLkz/zvJKEGoxn28vZlwT8hB pD4zD3kltRKTrfFYqeR/KOQulUJwOioWk/y7XkE4CCWVOHgQECkKUmdKsbIwXO6aFBGM FkJ4YneCbjO4wel9dwDoo2fTKk+SaCAq4rP7u8uvuUcCkcZYsUn0q9o3YJwepzSgLFUB zMXA1RzGSfHOpXVpNEKtfwfjEUmzzVkR1hJ+2Ko31cJHrrimRToOviAXmrYCZ7GQjgnW 2d/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJy9rVNsFJMCGw5K7SXIVP0YO0TPDoDOVn5AUt4z+VdYRG7FkS7wDH4YVnQXEnX+mDcIzmovPPg94fkFg== X-Received: by 10.202.51.133 with SMTP id z127mr4860663oiz.202.1465765786030; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:09:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.5.168 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:09:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1nnofd2.fsf@gmx.net> <83bn37h6o0.fsf@gnu.org> <871t421e7w.fsf@gmx.net> <83vb1efd9v.fsf@gnu.org> From: Noam Postavsky Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 17:09:45 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: lAJqHKhbv2HOyf-3NYTtBn9C7pM Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#23746: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) To: Ken Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23746 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Stephen Berman , 23746@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Ken Brown wrote: > On 6/12/2016 2:55 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> >>> From: Stephen Berman >>> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 23746@debbugs.gnu.org >>> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:58:27 +0200 >>> >>> On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 16:21:19 -0400 Noam Postavsky >>> wrote: >>> >>>> As a native English speaker, "your Lisp program may wish telling the >>>> process" sounds obviously incorrect (though I'm not sure how to >>>> explain why in terms of grammatical rules). Whereas, "your Lisp >>>> program may wish to tell the process" is correct. >>> >>> >>> That's one argument for this change; another is the statistical one >>> based on the existing Emacs documentation: >>> >>> steve@rosalinde:/data/steve/git/emacs> grep -r " wish to " doc/ | wc -l >>> 196 >>> steve@rosalinde:/data/steve/git/emacs> grep -r " wish [a-z]*ing " doc/ >>> doc/lispref/processes.texi:may wish telling the process the dimensions >>> >>> Eli, does this persuade you to accept this change too? >> >> >> Sorry, no. There's nothing wrong in the original wording in this >> case. I'm sorry, but you're simply wrong on this. The original wording is grammatically incorrect, please defer to people with more knowledge of English, as I'm sure anyone would defer to you on a question regarding Emacs' display engine. > > > As a native speaker of English, I agree with Noam on this. "may wish > telling" sounds wrong. > > Ken From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 13 00:04:19 2016 Received: (at 23746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2016 04:04:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38452 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCJ6o-0003Xp-UA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 00:04:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54220) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCJ6n-0003Xc-Nj for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 00:04:17 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bCJ6f-0004Wa-M0 for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 00:04:12 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50837) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bCJ6f-0004WK-JC; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 00:04:09 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3355 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bCJ6d-0002dw-IA; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 00:04:08 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 07:04:58 +0300 Message-Id: <83mvmpg2dx.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Noam Postavsky In-reply-to: (message from Noam Postavsky on Sun, 12 Jun 2016 17:09:45 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#23746: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) References: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1nnofd2.fsf@gmx.net> <83bn37h6o0.fsf@gnu.org> <871t421e7w.fsf@gmx.net> <83vb1efd9v.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23746 Cc: stephen.berman@gmx.net, 23746@debbugs.gnu.org, kbrown@cornell.edu X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > From: Noam Postavsky > Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 17:09:45 -0400 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Stephen Berman , 23746@debbugs.gnu.org > > I'm sorry, but you're simply wrong on this. The original wording is > grammatically incorrect, please defer to people with more knowledge of > English, as I'm sure anyone would defer to you on a question regarding > Emacs' display engine. Actually, no one defers to me on the display engine, I'm normally required to prove my opinions with hard evidence. Anyway, which part(s) are grammatically incorrect, and why? The changes in question modified at least 3 different parts, all of them seem to be stylistic changes. I wonder why stylistic matters should cause this amount of bike-shedding. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 13 05:21:13 2016 Received: (at 23746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2016 09:21:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38549 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCO3V-0002bO-CP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 05:21:13 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:52009) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCO3T-0002b9-GJ for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 05:21:12 -0400 Received: from rosalinde ([89.245.110.136]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lpfas-1bfenL1EMI-00fOC9; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:20:45 +0200 From: Stephen Berman To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#23746: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) References: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1nnofd2.fsf@gmx.net> <83bn37h6o0.fsf@gnu.org> <871t421e7w.fsf@gmx.net> <83vb1efd9v.fsf@gnu.org> <83mvmpg2dx.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:20:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83mvmpg2dx.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 13 Jun 2016 07:04:58 +0300") Message-ID: <87eg818mxg.fsf@gmx.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.95 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:KaRlkDm/d/HPVsEAwyLp4gCn4zBobDKRKVsDRI0cH5U5xoHnUrC 9iaddAQT0opXoiIQs/dAaBBsGdfzsq8Ew4ozmvwxl8F0FbAzIRDlGnVYTWxjqthe/aXTfm8 OYLDyhbPsEsM/BxYN2yFhpqwIywvMcmgiSg/VfoNkYiocZjYnzyplPFkDZSFpKwLQOGWTqd TxIYXzkZZW0sRxmC0+xDQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:2HZZS8LRXk0=:DX+QcgPXzov0AY7AalRKld MB/W42Z1+kxTotYvY5j0j4lN5DFdQU+ZI8Od4k7gK7yaFwyNhUB9BGl19uhoxmdYvJ6twZuPc hJ2+s+7rCUkEj/7HgrAv9PrfXDNMKxoafJgWf89zB7sFxlpCSLHRia3rcWSbRwhJsfV5hsA0Z AkNjIRPDWyT01chHGbi/mdObb7XVNT9e/eDg9AzdQqJSib2deI4P4i1EbWvegF5CBBmgb4srr bP8prTsCt3EPmOSeOVwYy3iqrX0xq0ggExPp1QnNvsLjaY50H08iNqUWIAjzubwyUIXSNMrXn P/iCVMae9zDA0XRSah+gBDou98F88gRyV3nSDk3T453rRC84vP81yFlo7YQvgH4yg1t2fgXQt 4C17KBfPF0aoyiu2nHQPCj7qvbZyQRPk9ZOh1hGvOp5ufGfA7ppOyafCn1UZJlsN/HhzCuZ9F ppAln/lkcainVhiWugJSZIIxACUcb477qCUedlB6mtBoydCsf2biRwWx4HfBkd3/uIxvAxQnX k8TTJUivSD5ZEAtBYA+cmGHKdOnDu3NfFD5I+AdZg1v23lA1PJGPibI7yRaV+mZrsGQ3cnfNJ Sqydt9sLAS4h8q64v+/msz7pa8Oywmej6IObPfhvT9baXRlHZrPavzpLalwsl9tJCiBbzinn7 xQAl5SgCeyIc2iPCRZVP743NGbKoPRullPA9zjQ75krfH3gg6/DhZbBFvFlj9YeCaSa4mIEuj g6hQRFfVgsbJZU98z/RRBwkjDg4E+Dmx0cLDPXB4oQ8r+FnNI+qEIhhpkkfwoJv9384eBYYrl Wy46+LJ X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23746 Cc: 23746@debbugs.gnu.org, kbrown@cornell.edu, Noam Postavsky X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 07:04:58 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Anyway, which part(s) are grammatically incorrect, and why? The Since I proposed the changes, I will try to explain why. > changes in question modified at least 3 different parts, all of them > seem to be stylistic changes. I wonder why stylistic matters should > cause this amount of bike-shedding. Here is the relevent diff again, with the three parts in question underlined: @@ -1382,12 +1382,13 @@ Process Buffers @end defun If the process's buffer is displayed in a window, your Lisp program -may wish telling the process the dimensions of that window, so that ^^^^^^^^^^^^ -the process could adapt its output to those dimensions, much as it ^^^^^ -adapts to the screen dimensions. The following functions allow to ^^^^^^^^ -communicate this kind of information to processes; however, not all ^^^^^^^^^^^ -systems support the underlying functionality, so it is best to provide -fallbacks, e.g., via command-line arguments or environment variables. +may wish to tell the process the dimensions of that window, so that ^^^^^^^^^^^^ +the process can adapt its output to those dimensions, much as it ^^^ +adapts to the screen dimensions. The following functions allow your ^^^^^^^^^^ +program to communicate this kind of information to processes; however, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +not all systems support the underlying functionality, so it is best to +provide fallbacks, e.g., via command-line arguments or environment +variables. The line between grammaticality and stylistic variation isn't always clearcut, but I think there would be little or no disagreement among native speakers of the most widely spoken dialects of English (there may be dialects that differ, though I am not aware of any) regarding at least two of the three underlined parts above: "wish" and "allow" can both occur with non-finite clausal complements, but with differences: "wish" can occur only with a "to"-infinitive, usually without a subject, as in "I wish to go" but possibly also with one, as in "I wish you to go" or "I wish for you to go" (to me, the first sounds rather formal or archaic, the second sounds colloquial but possibly non-standard); in contrast, an "-ing" complement (with or without a subject), as in "I wish (you) going" is unacceptable. "Allow" can occur with a "to"-infinitive, but then only with a subject, as in "I allowed you to go" but not "I allowed to go" (unless the complement is passivized, as in "We were allowed to go"); in some cases a subjectless "-ing" complement is possible, as in "the header line allows sorting entries by clicking on column headers", where the understood subject of "sorting" is nonspecific, e.g., people in general, not some particular individual: "I allowed John going" is unacceptable (there may be some dialectal variation about this, but I'm not sure). These differences are grammatical in the sense that native speakers by and large agree on what's "right" and "wrong", regardless of context or stylistic register (though, again, there are gray areas). As for my suggestion to use "can" instead of "could", I suspect there may be less agreement about that: both entail possibility, but in the above context "can" sounds more natural (or appropriate) to me due to the present tense of the whole sentence, in contrast to the following: "If your program told the process the dimensions of the window, the process could adapt its output to those dimensions". But I think many native speakers would find either form perfectly acceptable in the above context. Steve Berman From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 13 05:26:07 2016 Received: (at 23746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2016 09:26:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38553 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCO8F-0002iS-1o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 05:26:07 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:56550) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCO8C-0002hv-O2 for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 05:26:05 -0400 Received: from rosalinde ([89.245.110.136]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MfmZs-1apCR53yEO-00NE4Z; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:25:40 +0200 From: Stephen Berman To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#23746: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) References: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1nnofd2.fsf@gmx.net> <83bn37h6o0.fsf@gnu.org> <871t421e7w.fsf@gmx.net> <83vb1efd9v.fsf@gnu.org> <83mvmpg2dx.fsf@gnu.org> <87eg818mxg.fsf@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:25:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87eg818mxg.fsf@gmx.net> (Stephen Berman's message of "Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:20:43 +0200") Message-ID: <87a8ip8mpa.fsf@gmx.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.95 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:XgYHOgu4qDAAQOY2bPF6yHuG54FOHPIXIjirKho3kDqe4VAiF8F MTmThoY8B6560f/ows1AebRsgrNr6EwGe/dFITnUevtxUM0glSnl9p6eTWjg4X7TBcn2q4e 0Krdw0E3lRF22mwl+VynhmG15Edb0QPNMJFjrk1JYoNsXtlavZmj1BtpVlDfKSBNt8Y3Y9M QRvFBSsIoim9EqFcwGVYA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:x89Kx422TBc=:nSEzDwliYnao4NKrNolau2 fnq1p0oeMbihPy9SZhwWi4UPR77dw5/YPFbgF3fCl1j0LtKEvlzjPdQU2jYFVqtcmvllAI822 PZxtDTulb9VsfukS4F26xlT4+ZSqkqMWHfb8P2sElhf3yeNkaQhIIxZ/sy/tjauJ4Bo5hBuKp +tzN/nq06AYvQGGyZJQfWGquayw6olQZ7RFGuf0O9WPTCXLxXBt8Bw1wBYuWTM8Fm8oh8gr3s BMlKyaszmW4ouxHw+uowxuHqF8xc8S5sj3sSe02OUdq7VaEUCjFWM3MbtIl7H35drlsXSHTrl 9KEQN3G+w7Pre9lPncJLB71mBpm8TtGm80JpWomAiV3IHGI25QTKFkjbeJfpGjo38HePW9FZs yL/wTXm4C7jOY3KILiuzJDL8uGeOwp+grYolXdOqUbk7WBC7l4R2ifJanXDCxSQudmDzgDzYw 2zMTT9XN59yZTZZXJx+dGI9JnveVx5ercjp4SJvSAzAZPnkxTyWqbn1cwuPnROy4cnexyquL/ xaF826rGWhDzMOGFph86XqB9vBUOD5sf6msePK8NejmUtHCfwK0rxhH6+IUg5eVh1X2rJSSJp 21ZqRYaCKpwRA06EFq0QP4IPK0f9NybFfJSfbSCBqm3SSfVGSCDA5fl4P9UmxCW47jpx5gN2T liilkNC38j8UoRwi+W5cQArd7S+Uo09vGuEdOQOX4HEzV3scwYR0dR0ADGw7Y8DfeDiZjs90z wGpQ9xKm3/BDrTLOQ5F74CFzYAJjEq7o5YbiZwtasPvJyycLmEx0I7y58sA+Lk9DNKmI6AeRb Sjl11Bp X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23746 Cc: 23746@debbugs.gnu.org, kbrown@cornell.edu, Noam Postavsky X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:20:43 +0200 Stephen Berman wrote: > go" but not "I allowed to go" (unless the complement is passivized, as ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sorry: s/the complement/"allow"/ > in "We were allowed to go"); in some cases a subjectless "-ing" Steve Berman From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 13 10:13:57 2016 Received: (at 23746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2016 14:13:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39101 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCScn-0002u5-0S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 10:13:57 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52543) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCScl-0002ts-6I for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 10:13:55 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bCScb-0000Ny-DT for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 10:13:49 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59851) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bCScb-0000Nt-A8; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 10:13:45 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3664 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bCSca-0005T6-7L; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 10:13:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 17:14:35 +0300 Message-Id: <83d1nlfa5w.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stephen Berman In-reply-to: <87eg818mxg.fsf@gmx.net> (message from Stephen Berman on Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:20:43 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#23746: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) References: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1nnofd2.fsf@gmx.net> <83bn37h6o0.fsf@gnu.org> <871t421e7w.fsf@gmx.net> <83vb1efd9v.fsf@gnu.org> <83mvmpg2dx.fsf@gnu.org> <87eg818mxg.fsf@gmx.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23746 Cc: 23746@debbugs.gnu.org, kbrown@cornell.edu, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > From: Stephen Berman > Cc: Noam Postavsky , kbrown@cornell.edu, 23746@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:20:43 +0200 > > The line between grammaticality and stylistic variation isn't always > clearcut, but I think there would be little or no disagreement among > native speakers of the most widely spoken dialects of English (there may > be dialects that differ, though I am not aware of any) regarding at > least two of the three underlined parts above: "wish" and "allow" can > both occur with non-finite clausal complements, but with differences: > "wish" can occur only with a "to"-infinitive, usually without a subject, > as in "I wish to go" but possibly also with one, as in "I wish you to > go" or "I wish for you to go" (to me, the first sounds rather formal or > archaic, the second sounds colloquial but possibly non-standard); in > contrast, an "-ing" complement (with or without a subject), as in "I > wish (you) going" is unacceptable. "Allow" can occur with a > "to"-infinitive, but then only with a subject, as in "I allowed you to > go" but not "I allowed to go" (unless the complement is passivized, as > in "We were allowed to go"); in some cases a subjectless "-ing" > complement is possible, as in "the header line allows sorting entries by > clicking on column headers", where the understood subject of "sorting" > is nonspecific, e.g., people in general, not some particular individual: > "I allowed John going" is unacceptable (there may be some dialectal > variation about this, but I'm not sure). These differences are > grammatical in the sense that native speakers by and large agree on > what's "right" and "wrong", regardless of context or stylistic register > (though, again, there are gray areas). > > As for my suggestion to use "can" instead of "could", I suspect there > may be less agreement about that: both entail possibility, but in the > above context "can" sounds more natural (or appropriate) to me due to > the present tense of the whole sentence, in contrast to the following: > "If your program told the process the dimensions of the window, the > process could adapt its output to those dimensions". But I think many > native speakers would find either form perfectly acceptable in the above > context. Is the text below good enough? If the process’s buffer is displayed in a window, your Lisp program may wish to tell the process the dimensions of that window, so that the process could adapt its output to those dimensions, much as it adapts to the screen dimensions. The following functions allow communicating this kind of information to processes; [...] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 13 10:28:06 2016 Received: (at 23746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2016 14:28:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39113 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCSqU-0003GN-JW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 10:28:06 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:63889) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCSqQ-0003Fp-Fo for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 10:28:04 -0400 Received: from rosalinde ([89.245.110.136]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MMBun-1b54Rc0SB3-0084kr; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 16:27:33 +0200 From: Stephen Berman To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#23746: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) References: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1nnofd2.fsf@gmx.net> <83bn37h6o0.fsf@gnu.org> <871t421e7w.fsf@gmx.net> <83vb1efd9v.fsf@gnu.org> <83mvmpg2dx.fsf@gnu.org> <87eg818mxg.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nlfa5w.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 16:27:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83d1nlfa5w.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 13 Jun 2016 17:14:35 +0300") Message-ID: <8760td88q4.fsf@gmx.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.95 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:3y2UK6DbV8DU+LKLLS1Ep/zw1gpdo/IOPcpXDpL5CgcbIbVqtLU x5XCTHy61whzXw9+/wezuAlPcsJphDN8+5shk9gC7N7bOGR245GVffTXsS5aF0i93O+k9q1 VHPtrhcvlLdj0vPvHrWUpbCgUxA8xF7KIBEU/JzF9msmrE08teyGJwQ1J6yY0j5O0s7SZ5e s25yzkUnjZQCOhaHUyXvw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:KWgy1lGA2Ks=:UmTRDZ8mUcR1evkr5hGgC4 xuEcKqtRA+coqZgT3K2la4gT8/C5ItCAVWD0+V5xnyxrdpGW5eSXMm+kNIaux6i+2lhGoIX9H 1sajrmCeQeSu9TyMJGYIxDrTCczj36cyyD2DyvRXB5VuL6h4iZU0tJfyUxiVwkLNv/D/FSAj3 MBTU34rhaNF7G05lbB9ow5NSZNtZNKK7Fs0c/YfsK4XR/0ndr+eRHM3kDfJt+fQ0xUYHfD3oK /YqJ9VpX8cloDggbHqDC/2WxruTgenAaLnM26drEXvzC29DLzJi0jXXdBIQUaSYGtSYPWhmku wUcfhPerbUk7xu7hfCz5eiUSW42Tcf6Ra2CffkuwwOu3cL2lx+Lb8ZOaWnY0W6wbYSG8Wfhk7 pAN7IfoYXGBsz5uX2p+jLDZet+t1JdaN6tiozRs6Hn1D8ZaB6umnCXaF+Oodj9W/ObCnQhrna X+Y+48fM1suSlVvo2sj2Dsx/rnZGnZY7pdt/4ubGr6AESXA91t62/Pd8FDY84Q0XFRWa4i6bz w3BPIiZ7hUCSwYRFUBs6W1jnNmBExI5sZ52uylZpeJWpsQqv2euaduTd2uezzZaT8fUeqyeB7 6jCQMh8DrevnFJkcXE94Xf85nzAtSTJ7BdcUL0/UHg/GtQOSG69c7qtXMH1YSbvJAUosR4RW/ AychyIeh5XE32oph3/wrWBZmSQxhDDYy4E7N7qHLS0DbwtrPp1E+RqjdkcF7PfzoEBnAja4M4 d3kwtD6+hf/wY2EYHdWtT3wtCAG4jnwd+DZdMgr5IxYMp+FCDez53kU42fonKSuWvVzrcXqB2 hgg8VE4 X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23746 Cc: 23746@debbugs.gnu.org, kbrown@cornell.edu, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 17:14:35 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Is the text below good enough? > > If the process=E2=80=99s buffer is displayed in a window, your Lisp = program > may wish to tell the process the dimensions of that window, so that the > process could adapt its output to those dimensions, much as it adapts to > the screen dimensions. The following functions allow communicating > this kind of information to processes; [...] That's ok by me. Steve Berman From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 13 11:01:07 2016 Received: (at 23746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2016 15:01:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39120 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCTMR-00045l-A2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:01:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39435) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCTMP-00045A-Hd for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:01:05 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bCTMG-0004hw-Ge for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:01:00 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60672) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bCTMG-0004hr-Ao; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:00:56 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3713 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bCTMD-00057f-Sr; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:00:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:01:37 +0300 Message-Id: <83a8ipf7zi.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stephen Berman In-reply-to: <8760td88q4.fsf@gmx.net> (message from Stephen Berman on Mon, 13 Jun 2016 16:27:31 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#23746: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) References: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1nnofd2.fsf@gmx.net> <83bn37h6o0.fsf@gnu.org> <871t421e7w.fsf@gmx.net> <83vb1efd9v.fsf@gnu.org> <83mvmpg2dx.fsf@gnu.org> <87eg818mxg.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nlfa5w.fsf@gnu.org> <8760td88q4.fsf@gmx.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23746 Cc: 23746@debbugs.gnu.org, kbrown@cornell.edu, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > From: Stephen Berman > Cc: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, kbrown@cornell.edu, 23746@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 16:27:31 +0200 > > On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 17:14:35 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Is the text below good enough? > > > > If the process’s buffer is displayed in a window, your Lisp program > > may wish to tell the process the dimensions of that window, so that the > > process could adapt its output to those dimensions, much as it adapts to > > the screen dimensions. The following functions allow communicating > > this kind of information to processes; [...] > > That's ok by me. Thanks, pushed. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 13 12:13:07 2016 Received: (at 23746-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2016 16:13:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39156 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCUU3-0007Tu-95 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:13:07 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:65487) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCUU1-0007TP-HE for 23746-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:13:02 -0400 Received: from rosalinde ([89.245.110.136]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MY86C-1azEu13L4y-00Uu3V; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:12:33 +0200 From: Stephen Berman To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#23746: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) References: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1nnofd2.fsf@gmx.net> <83bn37h6o0.fsf@gnu.org> <871t421e7w.fsf@gmx.net> <83vb1efd9v.fsf@gnu.org> <83mvmpg2dx.fsf@gnu.org> <87eg818mxg.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nlfa5w.fsf@gnu.org> <8760td88q4.fsf@gmx.net> <83a8ipf7zi.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:12:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83a8ipf7zi.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:01:37 +0300") Message-ID: <871t4183v3.fsf@gmx.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.95 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:0uw8O/9FJ9qHknU5fb6PeojWhTN5IRMQo08LCZa7iMzCm9rHk7K zS+NVpXLlPafpeTT+k56JCVwS6B/CooTz62ic8XNgWMcSTXA6BClNQCC+PL1t5H5/uOZgvA lkIWIwBnZo9+C95bQ9ZiJQ5HWuQjsCNNYWBQt4n6v/+ikzn4WrqUA2N0VpUrPQ+IZDIsiON pGCybQ1SjK5uZJrMyY3zA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:QPVHrTx8szE=:DxfXpi4bjReZu7OgHWnru0 FhiIQ89ozifJZHyEZlhc2gLm8SiP58+G3aYFp0WFDfWy/A3KjcT7n4JZkCmKgODhoVWtexIhO MfGNXlwfB2XjUugVjh7ZbA5UhvMgSLzm4Stom7E4uV6nYqDBVwxeeoIe2cxiDDt4l9qL7ydax 1xZRuDpQKQjCiaAxO5arjBo0+BL03o5RPf9/FjZFt1Ixd17LXWAIX76H5OMVpwE1K8Popxvdz qAjA+xjUEIi0mBvOS10p0fRzQjT/LQPg09RF4vTSXQNLMaJlFV1FSrb2xjrjnX2FyX5qO6wJd tnzmKbyac9ak2/qx2RVGU8xYYs69ALWy9DTY562MJHz10vzt0mLzXuXId1i6MiE77EvkoYZNr bfO1qAlmjXzzewcQ1eyxneLOnNEWQuJBHYDsH8NTQeGxNNKR3LjOZ0aJdrvB+HOJh2QyYAhf9 982dZdtjBgcmVzNsXXu02Dczflqi9K6kYM6Y66sHL9+EaIp2nGlpJJepU4LlgUzk2sBzQHPL/ 3+sa1zY5degVtlWccXnpULUQkYROZi17LH02DU/eGMTO8dYzUEGaGxnwCSMiJSRn4wKLk9A7n xmegQDUaIJrZYGDccqGFXC8ybqoMuTKLihJuTKUe8sMvxiOknq4L5tEU28CA+tjUumDoHu+D+ 8YDpvz/hFuoYvVQP37bMWQNajQlbHBDlmZig/dgHEeBLgYtsnhL2svtQdMn3Hw7zJxqb+sOO3 pFilxIe1OijbxnRrslfjXBxWV3oGN5synfiKAV1UpO3VESUzo1ILwHEmtgOgn7f0Ofo/dPwak H5KypHE X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23746-done Cc: 23746-done@debbugs.gnu.org, kbrown@cornell.edu, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:01:37 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Stephen Berman >> Cc: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, kbrown@cornell.edu, 23746@debbugs.= gnu.org >> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 16:27:31 +0200 >>=20 >> On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 17:14:35 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>=20 >> > Is the text below good enough? >> > >> > If the process=E2=80=99s buffer is displayed in a window, your Li= sp program >> > may wish to tell the process the dimensions of that window, so that = the >> > process could adapt its output to those dimensions, much as it adapt= s to >> > the screen dimensions. The following functions allow communicating >> > this kind of information to processes; [...] >>=20 >> That's ok by me. > > Thanks, pushed. And now I've pushed the doc fixes you already approved and am closing this bug. (BTW, your commit references the wrong bug....) Steve Berman From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 13 12:23:20 2016 Received: (at 23746-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2016 16:23:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39183 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCUdz-0007k9-Sw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:23:20 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:50837) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCUdy-0007jw-HK for 23746-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:23:19 -0400 Received: from rosalinde ([89.245.110.136]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Ld1CS-1buO2k3waO-00iBv6; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:22:51 +0200 From: Stephen Berman To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#23746: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) References: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1nnofd2.fsf@gmx.net> <83bn37h6o0.fsf@gnu.org> <871t421e7w.fsf@gmx.net> <83vb1efd9v.fsf@gnu.org> <83mvmpg2dx.fsf@gnu.org> <87eg818mxg.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nlfa5w.fsf@gnu.org> <8760td88q4.fsf@gmx.net> <83a8ipf7zi.fsf@gnu.org> <871t4183v3.fsf@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:22:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <871t4183v3.fsf@gmx.net> (Stephen Berman's message of "Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:12:32 +0200") Message-ID: <87wplt6oti.fsf@gmx.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.95 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:w9+prsf016KH2cHGbpvJRG7In1ITNN4co40vxghJTqkY8bP7HBD onG2shy0GGScwp2/dEUcnbELFq5Q18LHzr5wn72OMBV/NRHB507eEESfDMcJLrQLlEa+8Zu p0rs92dIOp51x7cBztVbOZVEnHvig6JzrzIvcgU6vmsnwKJtJkEK4RBFWkfNh2K9YPZ4iua bK/tOFVdPCv2KwJurs9uQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:SCvSy2MKc+Q=:9tvYoJWLSEqCl+idxYio5A DbbF1IzYdWVoXkvHxgZfu0zKZCFeOTpK0Xj3zim4XzGvqZWl0vzv0j48AO2frYDMXrihkEe5G DVU/789ePy69awb+XNwFmegmEu9ko7wQOwV+rEgN0BCkYj1MsaTaQxzcp1zD6pqNXHZrMitfz XRX01S+lkX8TNiUyv+702+ZmUrG2uBjBOyn/lvUguZyip6KiikUt5FpmhzsDEhF1BX2f5UbPj ZbeSEjTdS6huDN2HamRZ7j+h4bxC5wrzUtMkSgV+DBhML6qf0U+M/1pfGNGvpXyxMEjOs9u9n DQVAo/hZ7zn6qP/w69ArwRP0zkKNwSR3ilWhf9jSz/sc0WcT4MPwAmbfOAnh+o+NZqirTM4iN YA7lNOmpVbN+k7cKW8Dd67RH8eqEzcoUmCqhXuM2MzOmplGtyw1G+LpuMVKqqolKET5t8kOfu tpZMctrXZ7dq0IfDZPNFZfuFvenPHBd3Hd3j6REEvJrTb/rTSoXJrad/+kVH31BT4ZrkJT53y tnIG3Zi3E2wZVZMYtHHK5BEFPfv1eXAx60+5jbqwoikY+XcBQk5crX1TeXeRGM4Wu8iib+//B XGG9T3Z5JYwcaqq849wO3oaHxw0UpVDCkTyOq0eAyQVOeFS83OmHbpprgxPo9qD1xxDi43axn 69ALgix6T33/x/Clh8HdY2a6+okz7LteawLBrIj+QaXu4lXwB4abDEvy7v/BgdK0Q7hOUnQyj ilTxYYpto6xzvSWwy9BnYlYhAoRnGkvCznQfi90SE0AOAVHKtmcRJkW32ThZ01OHX28MfALIU LoyOWW/ X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23746-done Cc: 23746-done@debbugs.gnu.org, kbrown@cornell.edu, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:12:32 +0200 Stephen Berman = wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 18:01:37 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >>> From: Stephen Berman >>> Cc: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, kbrown@cornell.edu, 23746@debbugs= .gnu.org >>> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 16:27:31 +0200 >>>=20 >>> On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 17:14:35 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>>=20 >>> > Is the text below good enough? >>> > >>> > If the process=E2=80=99s buffer is displayed in a window, your L= isp program >>> > may wish to tell the process the dimensions of that window, so that= the >>> > process could adapt its output to those dimensions, much as it adap= ts to >>> > the screen dimensions. The following functions allow communicating >>> > this kind of information to processes; [...] >>>=20 >>> That's ok by me. >> >> Thanks, pushed. > > And now I've pushed the doc fixes you already approved and am closing > this bug. (BTW, your commit references the wrong bug....) Oops, I left out the other changes you had approved from processes.texi; now pushed. Steve Berman From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 13 22:43:45 2016 Received: (at 23746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jun 2016 02:43:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39460 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCeKP-0003Yn-A0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 22:43:45 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f49.google.com ([209.85.218.49]:33404) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCeKO-0003Yb-0D for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 22:43:44 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f49.google.com with SMTP id u201so109516308oie.0 for <23746@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 19:43:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=GfjoXsQCHv6ZvgHBAN9QE6Ht0fPbnhLMwY68AVWwzL4=; b=iHh0qB9Jn/Dy3QIrqxY0f4hSEB9iT2fNwSLf7CzzNoqu0+BDDOsJvu2YiFFn8fRwik 7jWAtLsuR0b3FqUmnk/yyzaCRijBixCqdhws8yJlCfSHW5iFYXSvL5RlSHbUIgk1tkIm SLzJxKRxuEHuCzA4+4A9zL6EvSRC4t0fC3TK4AqITrBSKF0rgZYjsvSHvKOepYxJ+WPx wkv7SWNDPNDqF0Er81fFx52K5MT7/ByqLpJjc4zqNn8BdYj4ONhhuYZfjFpx5EijBHTF cphnCZqLmjvvetPHMDVupID19BXy69wTh6b5Z5dLJ7IkMqUUUxEL1BH2pKydWMHSq4PQ qRiw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GfjoXsQCHv6ZvgHBAN9QE6Ht0fPbnhLMwY68AVWwzL4=; b=aiFnJeL9vV+6rB1zy5EL4MHUSk2TsOJGw80G8R8jVI/7PMF2tYePJjmPC8DErs4lx7 Hd7wtirmpaAPpzx92uXOHNwPW1cKVcU6es0Bz7ihcdxmhV6uyNrycIaRETvKWriQMbzZ oHjHcgYJ/Ver4mZQmtRmX/TBQl1ADJTpn+e7Ipo9p5w5dA2wiALEOqYuRGzPlRaVBcuz 7PU12nnCkhICtldQe5wWhmgo/1BxtRIQ68+QefC2wzt+OHaeuTkYfRnAlZqym20c6GJQ 5V6JjNJOU5raIyHV4Ll4FH93ucerWgxLyHNEZf0aq2n5I4vfDakzGLtnQRSvVidT6YXv RbhA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIkUdx7usIOLWCR0DBD/zx/Bv3RhPNA/stYMexRQK3GsdgyOi1GSVzdp/5NUg7iLDl0UvWL5HGdAZjPuA== X-Received: by 10.202.80.195 with SMTP id e186mr7680356oib.35.1465872218316; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 19:43:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.5.168 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 19:43:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83mvmpg2dx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1nnofd2.fsf@gmx.net> <83bn37h6o0.fsf@gnu.org> <871t421e7w.fsf@gmx.net> <83vb1efd9v.fsf@gnu.org> <83mvmpg2dx.fsf@gnu.org> From: Noam Postavsky Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 22:43:37 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5b8TgHFNNgF0FXqAHxv3mFhtsII Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#23746: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23746 Cc: Stephen Berman , 23746@debbugs.gnu.org, Ken Brown X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Noam Postavsky >> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 17:09:45 -0400 >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Stephen Berman , 23746@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> I'm sorry, but you're simply wrong on this. The original wording is >> grammatically incorrect, please defer to people with more knowledge of >> English, as I'm sure anyone would defer to you on a question regarding >> Emacs' display engine. > > Actually, no one defers to me on the display engine, I'm normally > required to prove my opinions with hard evidence. Eli, I'm sorry for trying to strongarm you about this, I was a bit frustrated that you were blocking what looked to me like a "no-brainer" improvement. But of course you have to apply your own judgement, and I was wrong to suggest otherwise. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 14 10:28:54 2016 Received: (at 23746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jun 2016 14:28:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40734 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCpKo-0008SZ-8p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 10:28:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55421) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bCpKl-0008SM-S5 for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 10:28:53 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bCpKc-0002sa-SI for 23746@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 10:28:46 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53918) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bCpKM-0002la-UW; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 10:28:26 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4513 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bCpKL-0007lN-0o; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 10:28:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 17:29:19 +0300 Message-Id: <8337ofg7y8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Noam Postavsky In-reply-to: (message from Noam Postavsky on Mon, 13 Jun 2016 22:43:37 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#23746: 25.0.95; Doc fixes (grammar, typos, clarification) References: <87h9czoh5v.fsf@gmx.net> <83d1nnhfmu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1nnofd2.fsf@gmx.net> <83bn37h6o0.fsf@gnu.org> <871t421e7w.fsf@gmx.net> <83vb1efd9v.fsf@gnu.org> <83mvmpg2dx.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23746 Cc: stephen.berman@gmx.net, 23746@debbugs.gnu.org, kbrown@cornell.edu X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > From: Noam Postavsky > Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 22:43:37 -0400 > Cc: 23746@debbugs.gnu.org, Stephen Berman , > Ken Brown > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> From: Noam Postavsky > >> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 17:09:45 -0400 > >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Stephen Berman , 23746@debbugs.gnu.org > >> > >> I'm sorry, but you're simply wrong on this. The original wording is > >> grammatically incorrect, please defer to people with more knowledge of > >> English, as I'm sure anyone would defer to you on a question regarding > >> Emacs' display engine. > > > > Actually, no one defers to me on the display engine, I'm normally > > required to prove my opinions with hard evidence. > > Eli, I'm sorry for trying to strongarm you about this, I was a bit > frustrated that you were blocking what looked to me like a > "no-brainer" improvement. But of course you have to apply your own > judgement, and I was wrong to suggest otherwise. No sweat. From unknown Sat Sep 13 17:04:02 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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