From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 08 16:57:26 2016 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jun 2016 20:57:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33163 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bAkXW-0006fL-4j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 16:57:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55122) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bAkXT-0006f9-Uy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 16:57:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bAkXN-0003qE-Bh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 16:57:18 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:58440) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bAkXN-0003q9-8b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 16:57:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46076) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bAkXL-0000mg-OB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 16:57:16 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bAkXH-0003p0-Jk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 16:57:14 -0400 Received: from metalevel.at ([78.46.218.83]:33976) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bAkXH-0003od-DC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 16:57:11 -0400 Received: from dawn.meta (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by metalevel.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A161A00DD for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 22:57:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dawn.meta (Postfix, from userid 501) id 7A1141A31063; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 22:57:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Markus Triska To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.5; Emacs sometimes inserts superfluous ">" when sending e-mails Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 22:57:07 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Hi all, please bear with me. For the first time, I do not have a recipe starting from emacs -Q. I am trying to narrow down a mistake in Emacs that occurs extremely rarely, when sending e-mails. In short, the mistake is that Emacs, under very specific conditions, seems to insert a superfluous ">" (greater than) character into e-mails before they are sent. I first noticed the problem in 2008 when reporting two issues: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2008-09/msg00606.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2008-12/msg00687.html Please note the characteristic superfluous ">" in front of "From" in both of these mails. I do not mean in the "From:" header, but within the actual text of both mails, in particular: *) ">From machine B..." *) ">From OSX 10.4..." I am 100% certain that I did not enter these ">" characters. This issue has also happened to other users: Example 1 (">From the documentation"): https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2003-03/msg00013.html Example 2 (">From man page"): https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2013-09/msg00108.html To find examples of this issue, I have analyzed 116 thousand messages that were posted to the GNU Emacs bug tracker from 2002 to 2016. Of these messages, I have restricted the search to those messages that contained the regexp "User-Agent.*Gnus". There were 35 thousand such messages. I have done this to limit the search to those messages that were most likely really sent from within Emacs. There are several further occurrences of the issue, but I could not tell with such certainty whether those messages were sent with Emacs itself. Interestingly this seems to happen only when "From" is used somewhere in the mail, at the beginning of a line. Then, sometimes Emacs simply turns "From" to ">From". And it even gets somewhat stranger: In my ~/Mail/sent file, I have one more occurrence of the issue: ">From what I understand..." which arose when I posted (Wed, 21 Oct 2015 01:47:22 +0200) to: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=21526 but in fact the superfluous ">" does not occur in the message as it is shown in the tracker. Again, I am 100% certain that I did not manually enter the ">" in front of "From", yet it appears in ~/Mail/sent. At this point, it would already be extremely helpful to me if someone could say "Yes, I also noticed this at some point in time." If it helps, the value of my mail-user-agent is: message-user-agent, and send-mail-function is: sendmail-send-it. Thank you and all the best! Markus In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin15.5.0, X toolkit, Xaw scroll bars) of 2016-05-30 on mt-imac Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11502000 Configured using: `configure --prefix=/opt/local --without-dbus --without-gconf --without-libotf --without-m17n-flt --without-gpm --without-gnutls --with-xml2 --infodir /opt/local/share/info/emacs --with-x-toolkit=lucid --without-xaw3d --without-imagemagick --with-xpm --with-jpeg --with-tiff --with-gif --with-png --without-rsvg --with-xft 'CFLAGS=-pipe -Os -arch x86_64' CPPFLAGS=-I/opt/local/include 'LDFLAGS=-L/opt/local/lib -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names -lfreetype -lfontconfig -Wl,-no_pie -arch x86_64'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 08 21:13:15 2016 Received: (at 23733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jun 2016 01:13:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33211 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bAoX4-0005uh-Vq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 21:13:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51034) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bAoX0-0005uR-9y for 23733@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 21:13:13 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bAoWs-00039S-UM for 23733@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 21:13:04 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54075) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bAoWd-00032M-7Z; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 21:12:47 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bAoWb-0001W0-OV; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 21:12:45 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Markus Triska Subject: Re: bug#23733: 24.5; Emacs sometimes inserts superfluous ">" when sending e-mails References: X-Spook: Peking illuminati Islam Abduganievich Karimov Ansar X-Ran: j81-}jJWR~d#Uq.vUDOP"*xW[=jB1S`D/j`B'5{~Jk6|gsg+H^%-fb"alK~zRGkknQ#CQN X-Hue: cyan X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 21:12:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Markus Triska's message of "Wed, 08 Jun 2016 22:57:07 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23733 Cc: 23733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) There's no mystery here, this is mbox from escaping. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbox I don't think there is a real bug here, though I would not be surprised to learn that Emacs sometimes leaves >From where strictly speaking it should put From. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 09 02:34:06 2016 Received: (at 23733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jun 2016 06:34:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33285 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bAtXZ-0006zH-Rh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 02:34:06 -0400 Received: from metalevel.at ([78.46.218.83]:57405) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bAtXY-0006z8-0L for 23733@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 02:34:04 -0400 Received: by metalevel.at (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D0F6CA007F; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 08:34:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Markus Triska To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#23733: 24.5; Emacs sometimes inserts superfluous ">" when sending e-mails References: Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 08:34:02 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 08 Jun 2016 21:12:45 -0400") Message-ID: <87lh2e7twl.fsf@metalevel.at> User-Agent: Emacs/24.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23733 Cc: 23733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) Glenn Morris writes: > this is mbox from escaping. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbox OK, this explains the last occurrence I mentioned, which is the only one taken from my ~/Mail/sent. But the other occurrences are part of the mails that were actually sent to the mailing list, and certainly the ">" should occur in any sent mails only if it was also intended. In other words, there should be a difference whether I start a paragraph with "From" or ">From" in terms of what is actually sent as e-mail. Thank you for looking into this! From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 09 13:37:35 2016 Received: (at 23733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jun 2016 17:37:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34888 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bB3tf-0002UH-9T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 13:37:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45766) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bB3tc-0002U5-QF for 23733@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 13:37:33 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bB3tX-0007FY-1c for 23733@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 13:37:27 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40120) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bB3tU-0007Ep-JL; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 13:37:24 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bB3tR-0007PT-Si; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 13:37:21 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Markus Triska Subject: Re: bug#23733: 24.5; Emacs sometimes inserts superfluous ">" when sending e-mails References: <87lh2e7twl.fsf@metalevel.at> X-Spook: MARTA Syria clandestine Transportation Security X-Ran: 'N3K>90R\t.$5Nv;ix.Ius?>|H`.+PjQ1$)aN,]yMV'/&jX4Z1Q,Su^]GN1Y2w}b^@`Q^\ X-Hue: magenta X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 13:37:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87lh2e7twl.fsf@metalevel.at> (Markus Triska's message of "Thu, 09 Jun 2016 08:34:02 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23733 Cc: 23733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) FWIW I think the behaviour of Emacs in this area is unlikely to change. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 09 13:37:55 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jun 2016 17:37:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34891 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bB3tz-0002Ur-HX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 13:37:55 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45859) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bB3ty-0002Uf-Rm for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 13:37:55 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bB3ts-0007L3-VH for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 13:37:49 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40129) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bB3ts-0007Kz-Sf for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 13:37:48 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bB3ts-0008Mx-EP for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 13:37:48 -0400 Subject: control message for bug 23733 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 13:37:48 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) tag 23733 wontfix From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 09 15:32:06 2016 Received: (at 23733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jun 2016 19:32:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34936 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bB5gT-0008Ll-TH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 15:32:06 -0400 Received: from metalevel.at ([78.46.218.83]:57993) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bB5gR-0008Lb-QV for 23733@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 15:32:04 -0400 Received: by metalevel.at (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 30B8EA007F; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 21:32:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Markus Triska To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#23733: 24.5; Emacs sometimes inserts superfluous ">" when sending e-mails References: <87lh2e7twl.fsf@metalevel.at> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 21:32:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu, 09 Jun 2016 13:37:21 -0400") Message-ID: <87twh2jgzy.fsf@metalevel.at> User-Agent: Emacs/24.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23733 Cc: 23733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) Glenn Morris writes: > FWIW I think the behaviour of Emacs in this area is unlikely to change. That's a pity because I would really like Emacs to send and receive mails as intended. I have now constructed a self-contained test case: a) $ emacs -Q b) C-x m c) write a mail with the following occurring in the message body, at the beginning of a line and without quotes: "From me to you!" d) use any recipient and subject, and use C-c C-c to send the mail e) select "transport" and hit RET (this requires sendmail) f) the recipient will receive ">From me to you!". Maybe there is any way to make this work is intended? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 09 16:19:45 2016 Received: (at 23733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jun 2016 20:19:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34946 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bB6Qb-0000zj-Lv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:19:45 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:40493) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bB6QZ-0000za-E9 for 23733@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 16:19:44 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3rQc9B2RXQz3hjQt; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 22:19:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.68]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3rQc9B17Ymzvh1q; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 22:19:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.68]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i9Y_43sX20vr; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 22:19:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: Ol5Tbr/c9zW8iaMRnWbs15AglVvd52ev/hRMukeBhBrTq73wHzB/9j8oB1XPtFhp Received: from igel.home (ppp-88-217-15-143.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.15.143]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 22:19:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F170E2C35DE; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 22:19:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: Markus Triska Subject: Re: bug#23733: 24.5; Emacs sometimes inserts superfluous ">" when sending e-mails References: <87lh2e7twl.fsf@metalevel.at> <87twh2jgzy.fsf@metalevel.at> X-Yow: I feel like I am sharing a ``CORN-DOG'' with NIKITA KHRUSCHEV.. Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 22:19:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87twh2jgzy.fsf@metalevel.at> (Markus Triska's message of "Thu, 09 Jun 2016 21:32:01 +0200") Message-ID: <87h9d2glnn.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.94 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23733 Cc: Glenn Morris , 23733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) Markus Triska writes: > Maybe there is any way to make this work is intended? Use quoted-printable encoding. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 10 04:00:03 2016 Received: (at 23733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jun 2016 08:00:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35091 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bBHMJ-0004IC-Da for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 04:00:03 -0400 Received: from metalevel.at ([78.46.218.83]:58397) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bBHMH-0004HG-JN for 23733@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 04:00:02 -0400 Received: by metalevel.at (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4A3A8A0105; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 09:59:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Markus Triska To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#23733: 24.5; Emacs sometimes inserts superfluous ">" when sending e-mails References: <87lh2e7twl.fsf@metalevel.at> <87twh2jgzy.fsf@metalevel.at> <87h9d2glnn.fsf@linux-m68k.org> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 09:59:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87h9d2glnn.fsf@linux-m68k.org> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Thu, 09 Jun 2016 22:19:40 +0200") Message-ID: <878tydcw3k.fsf@metalevel.at> User-Agent: Emacs/24.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23733 Cc: Glenn Morris , 23733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) Andreas Schwab writes: > Use quoted-printable encoding. When the outgoing message is ASCII only, all ways I tried to enforce quoted-printable encoding failed to work. I have in my .emacs: (setq mm-coding-system-priorities '(iso-8859-1 utf-8)) and I tried enforcing quoted-printable with: (us-ascii . quoted-printable) in mm-body-charset-encoding-alist. Still, in the case I posted, the ">" and the mail itself are sent without using quoted-printable encoding. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 10 12:59:55 2016 Received: (at 23733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jun 2016 16:59:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36189 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bBPmh-0005ge-NF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:59:55 -0400 Received: from metalevel.at ([78.46.218.83]:58892) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bBPmg-0005gV-1Y for 23733@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 12:59:50 -0400 Received: by metalevel.at (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C64A0A00DD; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 18:59:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Markus Triska To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#23733: 24.5; Emacs sometimes inserts superfluous ">" when sending e-mails References: Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 18:59:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 08 Jun 2016 21:12:45 -0400") Message-ID: <87eg85asjf.fsf@metalevel.at> User-Agent: Emacs/24.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23733 Cc: 23733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) Glenn Morris writes: > I don't think there is a real bug here, though I would not be > surprised to learn that Emacs sometimes leaves >From where strictly > speaking it should put From. I understand that it may be necessary to insert the ">" when Gnus sends the message. But certainly the ">" that was inserted only to quote "From" should not be shown on the *receiver* side. Instead, when Gnus displays the received mail or (as in the case of the mailing list) a HTML page is generated from received mails, the ">" should be stripped. The main drawback I experience with the current behaviour is that even if you send the mail with Gnus, and also read the received mail with Gnus, the actual content of the mail is not preserved as intended. Using quoted-printable (as Andreas suggested) may not help with this, because this seems more of an issue with how Gnus or other clients display received mails. It is only a minor issue, though I still would appreciate if it could be fixed somehow in Gnus. Thank you! From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 10 13:07:22 2016 Received: (at 23733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jun 2016 17:07:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36199 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bBPty-0005tB-BZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:07:22 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:44567) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bBPtw-0005t2-P4 for 23733@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:07:21 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3rR7rl4R78z3hjc4; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:07:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.68]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3rR7rl34QBzvh2g; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:07:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.68]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WPkXfoVUoEUI; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:07:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: sTRu5o6ptC1biTkVHo6Wtwh/h7rxcaBs37P+2yLygjkP4ov8bdRCk2vVrYTRGJ5m Received: from igel.home (ppp-88-217-3-76.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.3.76]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:07:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5AB492C0861; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:07:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: Markus Triska Subject: Re: bug#23733: 24.5; Emacs sometimes inserts superfluous ">" when sending e-mails References: <87eg85asjf.fsf@metalevel.at> X-Yow: I have a very good DENTAL PLAN. Thank you. Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:07:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87eg85asjf.fsf@metalevel.at> (Markus Triska's message of "Fri, 10 Jun 2016 18:59:48 +0200") Message-ID: <871t45vupl.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.94 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23733 Cc: Glenn Morris , 23733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) Markus Triska writes: > I understand that it may be necessary to insert the ">" when Gnus sends > the message. But certainly the ">" that was inserted only to quote > "From" should not be shown on the *receiver* side. Instead, when Gnus > displays the received mail or (as in the case of the mailing list) a > HTML page is generated from received mails, the ">" should be stripped. You can't do that because it's ambiguous. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 10 13:23:52 2016 Received: (at 23733) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jun 2016 17:23:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36209 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bBQ9w-0006H1-0h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:23:52 -0400 Received: from metalevel.at ([78.46.218.83]:58915) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bBQ9t-0006Gs-Sl for 23733@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:23:50 -0400 Received: by metalevel.at (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BD675A00DD; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:23:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Markus Triska To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#23733: 24.5; Emacs sometimes inserts superfluous ">" when sending e-mails References: <87eg85asjf.fsf@metalevel.at> <871t45vupl.fsf@linux-m68k.org> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:23:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: <871t45vupl.fsf@linux-m68k.org> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:07:18 +0200") Message-ID: <87eg85x8ik.fsf@metalevel.at> User-Agent: Emacs/24.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23733 Cc: Glenn Morris , 23733@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) Andreas Schwab writes: > You can't do that because it's ambiguous. OK, I see! I was surprised to see such an elementary flaw of the format. 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