From unknown Thu Aug 21 12:11:01 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#23698 <23698@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#23698 <23698@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.5; broken character name Reply-To: bug#23698 <23698@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 19:11:01 +0000 retitle 23698 24.5; broken character name reassign 23698 emacs submitter 23698 ynyaaa@gmail.com severity 23698 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 05 09:06:42 2016 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jun 2016 13:06:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54969 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b9XlK-0002Qc-Jv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:06:42 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59062) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b9XlJ-0002QQ-6c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:06:41 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b9XlC-0001nH-Gd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:06:35 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID,UPPERCASE_50_75 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:32965) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b9XlC-0001nC-D1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:06:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50029) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b9Xl9-0005Ul-QD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:06:33 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b9Xl6-0001ms-Ba for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:06:31 -0400 Received: from mail-pa0-x22f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22f]:35782) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b9Xl6-0001mg-0p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:06:28 -0400 Received: by mail-pa0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id xk1so27317888pac.2 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 06:06:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=WCbHXpSn7IXFa+6PK78tzzfvUP67WzIXenvONXEuhss=; b=JlhvGK6DZZYFiP67atlMdx4mfGi/MZzFGN2Cc9OJlRlTdNQROspwT2Y0NUqKbTzG0E O9xvaO2sUNrlY79gH0rhJbPxe18qHNtpVFDBaMV31uIWWvnqoR37lJC7LV574d8JSfTx 9i3wEe1itRNcPw5BpOGWDNjVXDd3odsQXlke/5rn0pSJRIg3xOKfiLAQua1hl+wr53Rp 9LqNMIc+jjAgWEJfwSKYScVwsNGFcag9pM54Uzu3Tq+m2OCyqZul1rAl2FsAlhRzY0o/ Ekw8TQa4O6S05yLVm8Lga5Q0OoHsCZ4+SpQxWDifE62P9E5hqww1z5uRLQKiV4usEbPA HY7Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=WCbHXpSn7IXFa+6PK78tzzfvUP67WzIXenvONXEuhss=; b=aLXuPSeteQpfCxwRjTMEgE9yHlL1V/AGw5oyVDyVMgAkv4aSvPKjNkMQ0S+B0+SxET 6+v7ABlK4TV6OEUq4ikTSK+AAZ0mDUYkhLfTitOe3EYZYnTJD6V1Azq2ze32NyOWiux2 3jU1wXnvZ2HVS2vEdvaAa5+0d76m6qR/1G6PT6iaxr262c/Y/1NckeyH2NVRxK7afkO5 yZWlqb0EcPw0w8wHY96B4FpU8PdLQmhzIyRUFLaotGSu+rmVLV/DkKU3c45+iALr/1md +AuQZg8sygOpm1COqEp5nLSAE2cgnzXXaRpw25bLuRor+LLu/T6war+wO8m+u1DlHkxu uFLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJquCuM3KUjjUpOEOoU4nMXor2CuZ7ooxYJI61h5FpacvU/p87KxcfmK8tH+j2DZA== X-Received: by 10.66.246.198 with SMTP id xy6mr18451639pac.58.1465131987025; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 06:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PNUT-PC (east49-p99.eaccess.hi-ho.ne.jp. [219.105.5.100]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d24sm20629860pfb.90.2016.06.05.06.06.25 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Jun 2016 06:06:26 -0700 (PDT) From: ynyaaa@gmail.com To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.5; broken character name Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 22:06:23 +0900 Message-ID: <87wpm3n5tc.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) Just after starting emacs -Q, this form returns correct value. (get-char-code-property #xE01 'name) =>"THAI CHARACTER KO KAI" Then display THAI characters by typing this. M-x list-charset-chars RET thai-iso8859-11 RET After THAI characters are displayed, the form returns wrong value. (get-char-code-property #xE01 'name) =>"LETTER KO KAI" For other THAI characters, get-char-code-property returns wrong names. UCS correct name wrong name E01 THAI CHARACTER KO KAI LETTER KO KAI E02 THAI CHARACTER KHO KHAI LETTER KHO KHAI E03 THAI CHARACTER KHO KHUAT LETTER KHO KHUAT E04 THAI CHARACTER KHO KHWAI LETTER KHO KHWAI E05 THAI CHARACTER KHO KHON LETTER KHO KHON E06 THAI CHARACTER KHO RAKHANG LETTER KHO RAKHANG E07 THAI CHARACTER NGO NGU LETTER NGO NGU E08 THAI CHARACTER CHO CHAN LETTER CHO CHAN E09 THAI CHARACTER CHO CHING LETTER CHO CHING E0A THAI CHARACTER CHO CHANG LETTER CHO CHANG E0B THAI CHARACTER SO SO LETTER SO SO E0C THAI CHARACTER CHO CHOE LETTER CHO CHOE E0D THAI CHARACTER YO YING LETTER YO YING E0E THAI CHARACTER DO CHADA LETTER DO CHADA E0F THAI CHARACTER TO PATAK LETTER TO PATAK E10 THAI CHARACTER THO THAN LETTER THO THAN E11 THAI CHARACTER THO NANGMONTHO LETTER THO NANGMONTHO E12 THAI CHARACTER THO PHUTHAO LETTER THO PHUTHAO E13 THAI CHARACTER NO NEN LETTER NO NEN E14 THAI CHARACTER DO DEK LETTER DO DEK E15 THAI CHARACTER TO TAO LETTER TO TAO E16 THAI CHARACTER THO THUNG LETTER THO THUNG E17 THAI CHARACTER THO THAHAN LETTER THO THAHAN E18 THAI CHARACTER THO THONG LETTER THO THONG E19 THAI CHARACTER NO NU LETTER NO NU E1A THAI CHARACTER BO BAIMAI LETTER BO BAIMAI E1B THAI CHARACTER PO PLA LETTER PO PLA E1C THAI CHARACTER PHO PHUNG LETTER PHO PHUNG E1D THAI CHARACTER FO FA LETTER FO FA E1E THAI CHARACTER PHO PHAN LETTER PHO PHAN E1F THAI CHARACTER FO FAN LETTER FO FAN E20 THAI CHARACTER PHO SAMPHAO LETTER PHO SAMPHAO E21 THAI CHARACTER MO MA LETTER MO MA E22 THAI CHARACTER YO YAK LETTER YO YAK E23 THAI CHARACTER RO RUA LETTER RO RUA E24 THAI CHARACTER RU LETTER RU (Pali vowel letter) E25 THAI CHARACTER LO LING LETTER LO LING E26 THAI CHARACTER LU LETTER LU (Pali vowel letter) E27 THAI CHARACTER WO WAEN LETTER WO WAEN E28 THAI CHARACTER SO SALA LETTER SO SALA E29 THAI CHARACTER SO RUSI LETTER SO RUSI E2A THAI CHARACTER SO SUA LETTER SO SUA E2B THAI CHARACTER HO HIP LETTER HO HIP E2C THAI CHARACTER LO CHULA LETTER LO CHULA E2D THAI CHARACTER O ANG LETTER O ANG E2E THAI CHARACTER HO NOKHUK LETTER HO NOK HUK E2F THAI CHARACTER PAIYANNOI PAI YAN NOI (abbreviation) E30 THAI CHARACTER SARA A VOWEL SIGN SARA A E31 THAI CHARACTER MAI HAN-AKAT VOWEL SIGN MAI HAN-AKAT N/S-T E32 THAI CHARACTER SARA AA VOWEL SIGN SARA AA E33 THAI CHARACTER SARA AM VOWEL SIGN SARA AM E34 THAI CHARACTER SARA I VOWEL SIGN SARA I N/S-T E35 THAI CHARACTER SARA II VOWEL SIGN SARA II N/S-T E36 THAI CHARACTER SARA UE VOWEL SIGN SARA UE N/S-T E37 THAI CHARACTER SARA UEE VOWEL SIGN SARA UEE N/S-T E38 THAI CHARACTER SARA U VOWEL SIGN SARA U N/S-B E39 THAI CHARACTER SARA UU VOWEL SIGN SARA UU N/S-B E3A THAI CHARACTER PHINTHU VOWEL SIGN PHINTHU N/S-B (Pali virama) E3F THAI CURRENCY SYMBOL BAHT BAHT SIGN (currency symbol) E40 THAI CHARACTER SARA E VOWEL SIGN SARA E E41 THAI CHARACTER SARA AE VOWEL SIGN SARA AE E42 THAI CHARACTER SARA O VOWEL SIGN SARA O E43 THAI CHARACTER SARA AI MAIMUAN VOWEL SIGN SARA MAI MUAN E44 THAI CHARACTER SARA AI MAIMALAI VOWEL SIGN SARA MAI MALAI E45 THAI CHARACTER LAKKHANGYAO LAK KHANG YAO E46 THAI CHARACTER MAIYAMOK MAI YAMOK (repetition) E47 THAI CHARACTER MAITAIKHU VOWEL SIGN MAI TAI KHU N/S-T E48 THAI CHARACTER MAI EK TONE MAI EK N/S-T E49 THAI CHARACTER MAI THO TONE MAI THO N/S-T E4A THAI CHARACTER MAI TRI TONE MAI TRI N/S-T E4B THAI CHARACTER MAI CHATTAWA TONE MAI CHATTAWA N/S-T E4C THAI CHARACTER THANTHAKHAT THANTHAKHAT N/S-T (cancellation mark) E4D THAI CHARACTER NIKHAHIT NIKKHAHIT N/S-T (final nasal) E4E THAI CHARACTER YAMAKKAN YAMAKKAN N/S-T E4F THAI CHARACTER FONGMAN FONRMAN E50 THAI DIGIT ZERO DIGIT ZERO E51 THAI DIGIT ONE DIGIT ONE E52 THAI DIGIT TWO DIGIT TWO E53 THAI DIGIT THREE DIGIT THREE E54 THAI DIGIT FOUR DIGIT FOUR E55 THAI DIGIT FIVE DIGIT FIVE E56 THAI DIGIT SIX DIGIT SIX E57 THAI DIGIT SEVEN DIGIT SEVEN E58 THAI DIGIT EIGHT DIGIT EIGHT E59 THAI DIGIT NINE DIGIT NINE E5A THAI CHARACTER ANGKHANKHU ANGKHANKHU (ellipsis) E5B THAI CHARACTER KHOMUT KHOMUT (beginning of religious texts) In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-04-11 on LEG570 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.0.6002 Configured using: `configure --prefix=/c/usr --host=i686-pc-mingw32' Important settings: value of $LANG: JPN locale-coding-system: cp932 Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent messages: Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils thai-util thai-word mule-util info mule-diag help-mode easymenu advice help-fns time-date japan-util tooltip electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel dos-w32 ls-lisp w32-common-fns disp-table w32-win w32-vars tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process w32notify w32 multi-tty emacs) Memory information: ((conses 8 164471 6457) (symbols 32 27891 0) (miscs 32 55 271) (strings 16 24013 5282) (string-bytes 1 514589) (vectors 8 11535) (vector-slots 4 515427 5354) (floats 8 65 359) (intervals 28 317 19) (buffers 508 16)) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 05 11:44:39 2016 Received: (at 23698) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jun 2016 15:44:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55746 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b9aEA-0001AV-SR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 11:44:39 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34478) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b9aE9-0001AI-B3 for 23698@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 11:44:37 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b9aE3-0007ef-69 for 23698@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 11:44:32 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57322) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b9aDx-0007a2-9j; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 11:44:25 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3370 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1b9aDw-0004iQ-C2; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 11:44:24 -0400 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:44:56 +0300 Message-Id: <83y46jtzbb.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: ynyaaa@gmail.com, Kenichi Handa In-reply-to: <87wpm3n5tc.fsf@gmail.com> (ynyaaa@gmail.com) Subject: Re: bug#23698: 24.5; broken character name References: <87wpm3n5tc.fsf@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23698 Cc: 23698@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > From: ynyaaa@gmail.com > Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 22:06:23 +0900 > > > Just after starting emacs -Q, this form returns correct value. > > (get-char-code-property #xE01 'name) > =>"THAI CHARACTER KO KAI" > > Then display THAI characters by typing this. > M-x list-charset-chars RET thai-iso8859-11 RET > > After THAI characters are displayed, the form returns wrong value. > > (get-char-code-property #xE01 'name) > =>"LETTER KO KAI" Displaying the list of Thai characters loads thai-util.el, which deliberately overwrites the names derived from the Unicode Character Database with its own variants. I'm CC'ing Handa-san, who added that code back in 2008, in the hope that he could tell why are we doing that, and whether this is still needed nowadays. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 05 12:43:45 2016 Received: (at 23698) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jun 2016 16:43:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55760 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b9b9N-0002an-1N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 12:43:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47757) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b9b9L-0002ab-0l for 23698@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 12:43:44 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b9b9E-0005k8-M3 for 23698@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 12:43:37 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58455) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b9b9A-0005jA-JX; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 12:43:32 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3473 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1b9b97-0005TS-Kl; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 12:43:30 -0400 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 19:44:01 +0300 Message-Id: <83vb1ntwku.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Kenichi Handa In-reply-to: <83y46jtzbb.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:44:56 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#23698: 24.5; broken character name References: <87wpm3n5tc.fsf@gmail.com> <83y46jtzbb.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23698 Cc: 23698@debbugs.gnu.org, ynyaaa@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:44:56 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 23698@debbugs.gnu.org > > Displaying the list of Thai characters loads thai-util.el, which > deliberately overwrites the names derived from the Unicode Character > Database with its own variants. I'm CC'ing Handa-san, who added that > code back in 2008, in the hope that he could tell why are we doing > that, and whether this is still needed nowadays. Actually, this code is much older: we have it since 1997, i.e. before we started using the UCD for these purposes. So I think we can either remove it or use a property that doesn't clash with the Unicode standard properties. Btw, the same problem exists with Lao (see lao-util.el). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 06 13:49:23 2016 Received: (at 23698-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jun 2016 17:49:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57002 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b9yeR-0005cO-1F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 13:49:23 -0400 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:38314) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b9yeP-0005cB-3Z for 23698-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 13:49:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07DE16064B; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id F8PxY_uBvzlX; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3997A16140D; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:49:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id OvLLjlDdiCju; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from penguin.cs.ucla.edu (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 19D4116064B; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:49:13 -0700 (PDT) To: ynyaaa@gmail.com From: Paul Eggert Subject: Re: 24.5; broken character name Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <6e241c76-e02a-f354-7673-58b438680f05@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:49:12 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------386EE6002EC18199458DF3F1" X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23698-done Cc: Kenichi Handa , Eli Zaretskii , 23698-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------386EE6002EC18199458DF3F1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > we have it since 1997, i.e. before > we started using the UCD for these purposes. So I think we can either > remove it or use a property that doesn't clash with the Unicode > standard properties. It appears to be unnecessary these days, so I removed it in the attached patch to master and am marking the bug as done. If I'm wrong and we need it we can use a different property as you suggest. --------------386EE6002EC18199458DF3F1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; name="0001-Use-standard-Unicode-names-for-Thai-Lao.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="0001-Use-standard-Unicode-names-for-Thai-Lao.txt" RnJvbSAxMzBhYTcxNjZiOTQwZmVmNTllODMyYzY4ZTc2ZWVmODdjZGM5NmU1IE1vbiBTZXAg MTcgMDA6MDA6MDAgMjAwMQpGcm9tOiBQYXVsIEVnZ2VydCA8ZWdnZXJ0QGNzLnVjbGEuZWR1 PgpEYXRlOiBNb24sIDYgSnVuIDIwMTYgMTA6NDM6MTAgLTA3MDAKU3ViamVjdDogW1BBVENI XSBVc2Ugc3RhbmRhcmQgVW5pY29kZSBuYW1lcyBmb3IgVGhhaSwgTGFvCk1JTUUtVmVyc2lv bjogMS4wCkNvbnRlbnQtVHlwZTogdGV4dC9wbGFpbjsgY2hhcnNldD1VVEYtOApDb250ZW50 LVRyYW5zZmVyLUVuY29kaW5nOiA4Yml0CgoqIGxpc3AvbGFuZ3VhZ2UvbGFvLXV0aWwuZWws IGxpc3AvbGFuZ3VhZ2UvdGhhaS11dGlsLmVsOgpEb27igJl0IG92ZXJyaWRlIHN0YW5kYXJk IFVuaWNvZGUgY2hhcmFjdGVyIG5hbWUgKEJ1ZyMyMzY5OCkuCi0tLQogbGlzcC9sYW5ndWFn ZS9sYW8tdXRpbC5lbCAgfCAxOTEgKysrKysrKysrKysrKysrKysrKysrKy0tLS0tLS0tLS0t 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eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b9zkw-00048X-VN for 23698@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 15:00:11 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57350) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b9zks-00044X-Br; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 15:00:06 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4150 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1b9zko-0000gA-Rc; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 15:00:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 22:00:31 +0300 Message-Id: <83y46irvlc.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Paul Eggert In-reply-to: <6e241c76-e02a-f354-7673-58b438680f05@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:49:12 -0700) Subject: Re: 24.5; broken character name References: <6e241c76-e02a-f354-7673-58b438680f05@cs.ucla.edu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23698 Cc: 23698@debbugs.gnu.org, ynyaaa@gmail.com, handa@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > Cc: 23698-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , > Kenichi Handa > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:49:12 -0700 > > > we have it since 1997, i.e. before > > we started using the UCD for these purposes. So I think we can either > > remove it or use a property that doesn't clash with the Unicode > > standard properties. > It appears to be unnecessary these days, so I removed it in the attached > patch to master and am marking the bug as done. If I'm wrong and we need > it we can use a different property as you suggest. I'd still like to hear Handa-san's opinions on this. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 09 10:32:45 2016 Received: (at 23698) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jun 2016 14:32:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34772 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bB10n-0004iw-3n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 10:32:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47286) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bB10k-0004ii-AT for 23698@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 10:32:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bB10b-0006Qc-3A for 23698@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 10:32:36 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36974) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bB10V-0006Ot-FR; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 10:32:27 -0400 Received: from fl1-49-129-150-20.iba.mesh.ad.jp ([49.129.150.20]:42382 helo=shatin) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bB10T-00060E-Iz; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 10:32:25 -0400 Received: from handa by shatin with local (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bB10P-0005jQ-FM; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 23:32:21 +0900 From: handa To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#23698: 24.5; broken character name In-Reply-To: <83y46jtzbb.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:44:56 +0300) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 23:32:21 +0900 Message-ID: <87d1nqcu16.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23698 Cc: 23698@debbugs.gnu.org, ynyaaa@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) In article <83y46jtzbb.fsf@gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii writes: > Displaying the list of Thai characters loads thai-util.el, which > deliberately overwrites the names derived from the Unicode Character > Database with its own variants. I'm CC'ing Handa-san, who added that > code back in 2008, in the hope that he could tell why are we doing > that, and whether this is still needed nowadays. Long ago, I discussed with Thai/Lao people about how to support their languages in Mule. At that time, as I can't speak those languages, we refer each character by name in the discussion. And, for debugging the support code, name property was very useful. That's the reason for those properties. Now, I think we can get rid them. --- K. Handa handa@gnu.org From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 09 10:37:06 2016 Received: (at 23698-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jun 2016 14:37:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34780 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bB14z-0004pG-Vn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 10:37:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48780) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bB14y-0004om-AT for 23698-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 10:37:04 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bB14s-0007p6-AF for 23698-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 10:36:59 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37069) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bB14m-0007nC-Kr; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 10:36:52 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3111 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bB14k-0004yW-Ph; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 10:36:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 17:37:31 +0300 Message-Id: <83y46epgwk.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: handa In-reply-to: <87d1nqcu16.fsf@gnu.org> (message from handa on Thu, 09 Jun 2016 23:32:21 +0900) Subject: Re: bug#23698: 24.5; broken character name References: <87d1nqcu16.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23698-done Cc: ynyaaa@gmail.com, 23698-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > From: handa > Cc: ynyaaa@gmail.com, 23698@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 23:32:21 +0900 > > In article <83y46jtzbb.fsf@gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Displaying the list of Thai characters loads thai-util.el, which > > deliberately overwrites the names derived from the Unicode Character > > Database with its own variants. I'm CC'ing Handa-san, who added that > > code back in 2008, in the hope that he could tell why are we doing > > that, and whether this is still needed nowadays. > > Long ago, I discussed with Thai/Lao people about how to support their > languages in Mule. At that time, as I can't speak those languages, we > refer each character by name in the discussion. And, for debugging the > support code, name property was very useful. That's the reason for > those properties. Now, I think we can get rid them. OK, thanks. So I guess Paul's change did TRT, and we can close this bug report. From unknown Thu Aug 21 12:11:01 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator