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[24.222.90.80]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k3sm11883185igz.2.2016.05.03.00.34.51 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 03 May 2016 00:34:52 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Date: Tue, 03 May 2016 04:34:50 -0300 Message-ID: <87h9efsig5.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) Emails going out from my computer from Gnus now have Message-IDs ending in @gmail.com. Previously the Message-IDs ended in @moondust.localdomain, where moondust is my computer. Looking back at my sent messages, the change happened on or around 2016-01-31. This corresponds with the date when I went from Emacs 24 to the Emacs 25.0.90 pretest. Possibly relevant: My default SMTP server is on Gmail. (But then it always was.) However, I am also getting these @gmail.com Message-IDs on messages not sent out through a Gmail SMTP server. In GNU Emacs 25.0.93.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.18.9) of 2016-04-26 built on moondust Repository revision: 5c587fdff164e8b90beb47f6da64b4884290e40a Windowing system distributor 'Fedora Project', version 11.0.11803000 System Description: Fedora release 23 (Twenty Three) Configured using: 'configure CFLAGS=-O3' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG IMAGEMAGICK SOUND DBUS GCONF GSETTINGS NOTIFY ACL LIBSELINUX GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE M17N_FLT LIBOTF XFT ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK3 X11 Important settings: value of $LC_MONETARY: en_DK.utf8 value of $LC_NUMERIC: en_DK.utf8 value of $LC_TIME: en_DK.utf8 value of $LANG: en_CA.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Group Minor modes in effect: pdf-occur-global-minor-mode: t gnus-undo-mode: t recentf-mode: t display-battery-mode: t display-time-mode: t show-paren-mode: t savehist-mode: t save-place-mode: t electric-pair-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t cua-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t temp-buffer-resize-mode: t buffer-read-only: t size-indication-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t global-visual-line-mode: t visual-line-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent messages: Retrieving newsgroup: nnfolder+archive:sent.2016-01... 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Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 03 May 2016 20:15:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23432 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Cc: 23432@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 23432-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23432.146230646728722 (code B ref 23432); Tue, 03 May 2016 20:15:01 +0000 Received: (at 23432) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 May 2016 20:14:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35770 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axgiA-0007TC-Pw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2016 16:14:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49868) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axgi9-0007Sz-0p for 23432@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2016 16:14:25 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axghu-0001HX-Ag for 23432@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 May 2016 16:14:16 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58579) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axgha-000176-Ry; Tue, 03 May 2016 16:13:50 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1axghU-000256-PW; Tue, 03 May 2016 16:13:44 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <87h9efsig5.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spook: Extreme weather Serbian Fort Hancock Mole JFK Chemical X-Ran: e{K~UzMYW1v{iHzHp|ve_D?D&^'<|``mI73#>nc0)p(?]f]J/(DsuTe_!DNn2Y@d|\<>a> X-Hue: cyan X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 03 May 2016 16:13:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87h9efsig5.fsf@gmail.com> (N. Jackson's message of "Tue, 03 May 2016 04:34:50 -0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) Please try edebugging message-make-fqdn to see what is going on. Eg: (require 'message) C-h f message-make-fqdn RET Follow link to source. C-u M-x eval-defun M-: (message-make-fqdn) Step through with SPC From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:29:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23432: 25.0.93; Email from Gnus now going out with Message-IDs @gmail.com Resent-From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. 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[24.222.90.80]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id jv1sm714077igb.8.2016.05.03.17.59.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 03 May 2016 17:59:58 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) References: <87h9efsig5.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 May 2016 21:59:56 -0300 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Tue, 03 May 2016 16:13:44 -0400") Message-ID: <871t5imycz.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) At 16:13 -0400 on Tuesday 2016-05-03, Glenn Morris wrote: > > Please try edebugging message-make-fqdn to see what is going on. Thanks Glenn. * The problem is `system-name' So it turns out that the change in behaviour is coming from a lower level, from the function `system-name' * Message-ID is being set as documented Emacs is working as documented in (info "(message) News Headers"): =E2=80=98Message-ID=E2=80=99 This required header will be generated by Message. A unique ID will be created based on the date, time, user name (for the local part) and the domain part. For the domain part, message will look (in this order) at =E2=80=98message-user-fqdn=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98s= ystem-name=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98mail-host-address=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98message-user-mail= -address=E2=80=99 (i.e., =E2=80=98user-mail-address=E2=80=99) until a probably valid fully = qualified domain name (FQDN) was found. The first thing that looked at for a domain name is `message-user-fqdn' which is nil on my system. Then `system-name' is looked at. On Emacs 24.5 `system-name' returns "moondust.localdomain". This satisfies the search, and the Message-ID is reported as xyz@moondust.localdomain (for some value xyz). This is what I have grown to expect. On Emacs 25.0.93 `system-name' returns "moondust". This does not satisfy the search and so `mail-host-address' is looked at, but it is nil. Finally, `message-user-mail-address' is tried. When Gnus has started, this evaluates to my default email address "nljlistbox2@gmail.com", and so the Message-ID becomes xyz@gmail.com. * Undesirable behaviour This is undesirable, and is especially embarrassing when I send mail from a non-gmail email address through a non-gmail SMTP server -- it still shows a Message-ID xyz@gmail.com! * Potential workaround Naturally, I can work around the change in behaviour by setting `message-user-fqdn', or possibly (?) by changing my system's host name, or possibly by setting `mail-host-address'. * If there is to be no fix, is a NEWS item warranted? However, if the new behaviour is not going to be "fixed", then I think the change should be reported in NEWS. After all, this is rather embarrassing and it is not immediately obvious that there's a problem -- my emails have been going out like that since the end of January and I only noticed today. * Is it a bug? What is not clear to me, is if the new behaviour of `system-name' is a bug or if it fixes a bug in Emacs 24. After all, IIUC my actual hostname is moondust, not moondust.localhost. In any case, I expect the change of behaviour is related to this entry in NEWS: ** Function 'system-name' now returns an updated value if the current system's name has changed or if the Emacs process has changed systems, and to avoid long waits it no longer consults DNS to canonicalize the name. The variable 'system-name' is now obsolete. * A far worse problem There is a much much worse consequence, though. If I don't start Gnus, and send an email directly with message, then `message-user-mail-address' is nil and `message-make-fqdn' falls through to its default value for the domain name, and the Message-ID becomes (IIUC) xyz@i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me which is far more embarrassing and unacceptable than xyz@gmail.com! I see this string emerge for example, if I run report-emacs-bug before starting Gnus. Emacs 24 was immune to this problem. N. From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:29:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23432: 25.0.93; Email from Gnus now going out with Message-IDs @gmail.com Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 14:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23432 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 23432@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 23432-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23432.146237342414251 (code B ref 23432); Wed, 04 May 2016 14:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 23432) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 14:50:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37826 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axy88-0003hn-JE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 10:50:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44288) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axy86-0003hc-Tg for 23432@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 10:50:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axy7s-0007LB-F1 for 23432@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 10:50:14 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49506) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axy7s-0007Gk-DC; Wed, 04 May 2016 10:50:08 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2151 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1axy7m-0006lJ-01; Wed, 04 May 2016 10:50:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 17:50:10 +0300 Message-Id: <83eg9hkhct.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <871t5imycz.fsf@gmail.com> (nljlistbox2@gmail.com) References: <87h9efsig5.fsf@gmail.com> <871t5imycz.fsf@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -7.1 (-------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -7.1 (-------) > From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) > Date: Tue, 03 May 2016 21:59:56 -0300 > Cc: 23432@debbugs.gnu.org > > > * If there is to be no fix, is a NEWS item warranted? It's already there, no? > > However, if the new behaviour is not going to be "fixed", then I think > the change should be reported in NEWS. After all, this is rather > embarrassing and it is not immediately obvious that there's a problem -- > my emails have been going out like that since the end of January and I > only noticed today. > > > * Is it a bug? > > What is not clear to me, is if the new behaviour of `system-name' is a > bug or if it fixes a bug in Emacs 24. See bug #19438. From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:29:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23432: 25.0.93; Email from Gnus now going out with Message-IDs @gmail.com Resent-From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 16:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23432 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 23432@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 23432-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23432.14623792033831 (code B ref 23432); Wed, 04 May 2016 16:27:02 +0000 Received: (at 23432) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 16:26:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38024 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axzdK-0000zj-PV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:26:42 -0400 Received: from mail-io0-f177.google.com ([209.85.223.177]:34449) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axzdJ-0000zW-TR for 23432@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:26:42 -0400 Received: by mail-io0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 190so59476323iow.1 for <23432@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 04 May 2016 09:26:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=K7YAqDh/0KBghSisTyite9lTqNtd9Hi0SyZ7J2UOHRo=; b=lQokfHcfrEziPuPx+/dJguq6vsK5wkpLDC7+j9l2mf2JV7wbI6wL9660K2B2jMe8R7 M4v5fqjqgxS00Q+3h4IQHXovXaY+ZS1O/2OV3G+B7Gk4I+i5dUm21IX+rX8emCdeaFNe bUn8gMVr1kDhuWUxAhTV4y18Z8tmQIj/35J/6XFMWfWXWPjnbwm8MIlBEbepudumY/WR ten9f5rWCeArUd++Y0PRZaZqDJwGBfSYYoeSmVt2D1NT3ju1mxiJCn/LGez+60qxrCc6 M5XlX6a0fZ7cdo7wMh3ajSbxCiVPm0qqGh41TOoDOiAQ5635FYPZaVkqXgQ7TJ0tMeOM kAnQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=K7YAqDh/0KBghSisTyite9lTqNtd9Hi0SyZ7J2UOHRo=; b=E+oOiNMH63L7DnqVat3NU1W1l9jYxaXxQ2GaY/xzAoD8DUbfs+WtF400ULiKFwzY/F 6+jBEYLg/X0s3thtOB8x2eGG3XbBNLfadfEKW/F7y+p5TtgEo1F5oVkRYYDLh1Weav5S yr8uRtlI/xgV4ytP58Q9CZyOz5N/R62FMyHaZ+pihksxAl03JeB9DtGoe1huHUiUuDHz RfQZgfAq6ueRNRJqPKKIadMsTMyFksX11uhe83VXbeSJbysV/LeFpuL5eQ+AhCZMDrwF fYKvob/rZrEsMNGJ4zyoCAB1jQZFjbsiquakdfoKlb3emcSf4RaI3H/xxp0wzgtUV+/X b1jA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FUNyGFshJxdC52tOijDn3opI7U5vl7j1dVfmj5fY4uhVWABI6H8BJfSJ+/wux9T+g== X-Received: by 10.107.37.16 with SMTP id l16mr10898520iol.138.1462379196221; Wed, 04 May 2016 09:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moondust.nodomain.none (66-46-90-198.dedicated.allstream.net. [66.46.90.198]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c134sm1706814ioe.40.2016.05.04.09.26.32 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 May 2016 09:26:35 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) References: <87h9efsig5.fsf@gmail.com> <871t5imycz.fsf@gmail.com> <83eg9hkhct.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 13:26:25 -0300 In-Reply-To: <83eg9hkhct.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 04 May 2016 17:50:10 +0300") Message-ID: <877ff9dc26.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) Hi Eli, At 17:50 +0300 on Wednesday 2016-05-04, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> If there is to be no fix, is a NEWS item warranted? > > It's already there, no? No, it is not. (Looking at the emacs-25 branch as of a few minutes ago, commit f559b374a30f3615261f7a902fc3428cac6289f4). The only entries under Gnus and under Message Mode are about images. And there is nothing relevant under incompatible changes. The issue is that with the change to the behaviour of `system-name', a random side effect is that users who's email configurations have worked properly for years may now have inappropriate (possibly very inappropriate) strings embedded in their mail headers unbeknownst to them. I'm not familiar enough with Message nor with NEWS to know how this should be worded, but for me something like the following under Gnus and Message would have told me what I needed to know. (Provided that it is a) correct, and b) this is the best way of doing things.) Users relying on `system-name' to return a stable and fully-qualified domain name for the setting of Message-ID are advised that it may no longer do so reliably. It is suggested that they set the variable `message-user-fqdn' explicitly. See the node "News Headers" in the Message manual (`M-: (info "(message) News Headers")') for more details. > See bug #19438. Thank you for pointing me to that. I don't think I have an opinion on that. But the fact remains that this change to `system-name' has had a surprising impact on the return value from `message-make-fqdn'. N. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 04 12:52:58 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 16:52:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38073 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay02k-0001hM-KG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:52:58 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53986) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay02k-0001hA-0t for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:52:58 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay02P-0001bM-A6 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:52:49 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52001) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay02P-0001aG-7Y for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:52:37 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ay02K-0004Ry-Kg for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:52:32 -0400 Subject: control message for bug 23432 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 12:52:32 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -7.1 (-------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -7.1 (-------) severity 23432 minor From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:29:38 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Subject: bug#23432: closed (Re: bug#23432: 25.0.93; Email from Gnus now going out with Message-IDs @gmail.com) Message-ID: References: <87h9efsig5.fsf@gmail.com> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 23432 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 23432@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 17:27:01 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1462382821-16044-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1462382821-16044-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #23432: 25.0.93; Email from Gnus now going out with Message-IDs @gmail.com which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 23432@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 23432: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D23432 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1462382821-16044-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 23432-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 17:26:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38087 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay0Z5-00049o-Rb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 13:26:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36447) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay0Z3-00049b-VZ for 23432-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 13:26:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay0Yp-0003Lc-Cj for 23432-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 13:26:13 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52575) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay0Yp-0003Kp-AC for 23432-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 13:26:07 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ay0Yj-0001Kr-DI; Wed, 04 May 2016 13:26:01 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 23432-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#23432: 25.0.93; Email from Gnus now going out with Message-IDs @gmail.com References: <87h9efsig5.fsf@gmail.com> <871t5imycz.fsf@gmail.com> <83eg9hkhct.fsf@gnu.org> <877ff9dc26.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spook: analyzer Scammers insurgency Sleet Leuken-Baden Delays X-Ran: 02~YUDv&_vW^G?qVySl,i_'UHB'v>Z)M?FTJrV4`V#a`Y,OcK# (N. Jackson's message of "Wed, 04 May 2016 13:26:25 -0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -7.1 (-------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23432-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -7.1 (-------) I added a sentence to NEWS. (Should name.localdomain even have counted as valid for a message-id in the first place? 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[24.222.90.80]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k3sm11883185igz.2.2016.05.03.00.34.51 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 03 May 2016 00:34:52 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.0.93; Email from Gnus now going out with Message-IDs @gmail.com Date: Tue, 03 May 2016 04:34:50 -0300 Message-ID: <87h9efsig5.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) Emails going out from my computer from Gnus now have Message-IDs ending in @gmail.com. Previously the Message-IDs ended in @moondust.localdomain, where moondust is my computer. Looking back at my sent messages, the change happened on or around 2016-01-31. This corresponds with the date when I went from Emacs 24 to the Emacs 25.0.90 pretest. Possibly relevant: My default SMTP server is on Gmail. (But then it always was.) However, I am also getting these @gmail.com Message-IDs on messages not sent out through a Gmail SMTP server. In GNU Emacs 25.0.93.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.18.9) of 2016-04-26 built on moondust Repository revision: 5c587fdff164e8b90beb47f6da64b4884290e40a Windowing system distributor 'Fedora Project', version 11.0.11803000 System Description: Fedora release 23 (Twenty Three) Configured using: 'configure CFLAGS=-O3' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG IMAGEMAGICK SOUND DBUS GCONF GSETTINGS NOTIFY ACL LIBSELINUX GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE M17N_FLT LIBOTF XFT ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK3 X11 Important settings: value of $LC_MONETARY: en_DK.utf8 value of $LC_NUMERIC: en_DK.utf8 value of $LC_TIME: en_DK.utf8 value of $LANG: en_CA.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Group Minor modes in effect: pdf-occur-global-minor-mode: t gnus-undo-mode: t recentf-mode: t display-battery-mode: t display-time-mode: t show-paren-mode: t savehist-mode: t save-place-mode: t electric-pair-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t cua-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t temp-buffer-resize-mode: t buffer-read-only: t size-indication-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t global-visual-line-mode: t visual-line-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent messages: Retrieving newsgroup: nnfolder+archive:sent.2016-01... 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Jackson) Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 18:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23432 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 23432@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: rgm@gnu.org Received: via spool by 23432-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23432.146238667822133 (code B ref 23432); Wed, 04 May 2016 18:32:01 +0000 Received: (at 23432) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 18:31:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38179 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay1Zu-0005kv-5D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 14:31:18 -0400 Received: from mail-io0-f174.google.com ([209.85.223.174]:34696) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay1Zs-0005kg-Ao for 23432@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 14:31:16 -0400 Received: by mail-io0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 190so63081921iow.1 for <23432@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:31:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=1QHdPQZSp3zNCuxTjDuHxv0tL910bv0JAGdAZQj/FC0=; b=AmEZHMJooojHPCLnCzIXTFvGVdFU0tWgbcofvz20sCnPaf5tGb7pZFaRc7h0AiDmwn Iz2/bo2yoLTaoHuAMFKuciBpZOdFNjp0GlJuVK9ETCg55H0jL5OTHglnrCH8BaZuAmVp 6Ge21DfWfZwrbH0wE67UTucPnM9Zc2uk83N6S8vaamUcmnaJLXDDCDVOebzj4KKYiAgo Dbl3vx4FDAc+SudTEVzqzT4mWJ+DX9PZwxDfAXUzGoFHBN0HvRxCHudY8ldnKXLgfT74 KB8xYset5xyWrZjfnQ9SxxtDvPqstWNKeji0AJall2MmbxrkgvBOOkBMtm1ojTDzIm8H By7A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=1QHdPQZSp3zNCuxTjDuHxv0tL910bv0JAGdAZQj/FC0=; b=hJIHhX2BtPvlso7+1xU2g+d+RGr03OBewlqxbyh47iKeyKh52+t6MEGaf0Fc5qcUBj gNx1BU1yLqjS6Iawg/ZrLQIm36I+9j1aafMhJ1nNAJe/mPh2fFv4vdnCAOZ2aGzWvSDD rYfsUjduteLFBvn8+Z9CPVFYEhoAO8qxkw3BoVXXc2idfJuQNsZxuIWLXA8k7rDH1iNQ 1NkpOnsWRgdIQcF+we4Ik91PAGmQorhvnnp0pJy6exTC9VhvD1MteMBibMrDrgudh3GW 2jbc337fJSWSrXSeVFhQnCiEPf03DuOM4tHaZzYI6WuQqU3Hkf2v0ocelBW7iZUnxVDu uYEg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FVRHptc32NlHI/jOsUZsh4jHAbEfA17O5Nh2wjoKtrKDwbXaVad29z+I9f0zk+1Uw== X-Received: by 10.107.166.140 with SMTP id p134mr12695434ioe.121.1462386670837; Wed, 04 May 2016 11:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moondust.nodomain.none ([142.227.16.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 70sm1975868ioz.16.2016.05.04.11.31.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 May 2016 11:31:10 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) References: <87h9efsig5.fsf@gmail.com> <871t5imycz.fsf@gmail.com> <83eg9hkhct.fsf@gnu.org> <877ff9dc26.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 15:31:08 -0300 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 04 May 2016 13:26:01 -0400") Message-ID: <87mvo5brpv.fsf@moondust.awandering> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) At 13:26 -0400 on Wednesday 2016-05-04, Glenn Morris wrote: > > I added a sentence to NEWS. Thanks Glenn. However, I don't believe this is enough. This is an extremely egregious flaw. Inserting an inappropriate string like "i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me" in Emacs users' email messages, without asking their permission and without informing them, is unacceptable. If the "fix" is to document the danger in NEWS, then it should be in the sections on Message and Gnus. No one is going to think to look under `system-name'. After all, even the person who made this change to `system-name' clearly didn't make the connection that it would effect users's Message-IDs; there's no reason to expect a casual email user to make that connection. > (Should name.localdomain even have counted as valid for a message-id in > the first place? The point is to be unique.) Well, that's just the suffix of the Message-ID. The full thing would be, for example, something like 877ff9dc26.fsf@moondust.localhost. Clearly not unique like a GUID, but having a high probability of uniqueness. N. From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:29:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23432: 25.0.93; Email from Gnus now going out with Message-IDs @gmail.com Resent-From: Phillip Lord Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 21:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23432 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. 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Jackson's message of "Wed, 04 May 2016 15:31:08 -0300") Message-ID: <87lh3p344q.fsf@russet.org.uk> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) writes: > At 13:26 -0400 on Wednesday 2016-05-04, Glenn Morris wrote: >> >> I added a sentence to NEWS. > > Thanks Glenn. > > However, I don't believe this is enough. > > This is an extremely egregious flaw. Inserting an inappropriate string like > "i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me" in Emacs users' email > messages, without asking their permission and without informing them, is > unacceptable. Still, you've got to laugh... It is supposed to check, though: (message-check 'shoot (if (re-search-forward "Message-ID.*.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me" nil t) (y-or-n-p "You appear to have a misconfigured system. Really post? ") t)) So, I wonder why that is failing. Even if the message were less whimsical, the fallback is supposed to have been captured. Phil From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:29:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23432: 25.0.93; Email from Gnus now going out with Message-IDs @gmail.com Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 22:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23432 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Cc: 23432@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 23432-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23432.14624001764483 (code B ref 23432); Wed, 04 May 2016 22:17:01 +0000 Received: (at 23432) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 22:16:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38443 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay55c-0001AF-J3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 18:16:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57197) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay55a-00019w-Nb for 23432@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 18:16:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay55M-0002HG-8X for 23432@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 18:16:06 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57456) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay552-00021p-66; Wed, 04 May 2016 18:15:40 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ay54w-0000j2-6q; Wed, 04 May 2016 18:15:34 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <87h9efsig5.fsf@gmail.com> <871t5imycz.fsf@gmail.com> <83eg9hkhct.fsf@gnu.org> <877ff9dc26.fsf@gmail.com> <87mvo5brpv.fsf@moondust.awandering> X-Spook: Mysql injection ammunition kilo class Nerve agent X-Ran: v-u/iq{NYgtNOjK(DOMVg6~WDp:X6DH'QxU|S#Fp0z\f/VW-C/|myj X-Hue: magenta X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 18:15:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87mvo5brpv.fsf@moondust.awandering> (N. Jackson's message of "Wed, 04 May 2016 15:31:08 -0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -7.1 (-------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -7.1 (-------) N. Jackson wrote: > This is an extremely egregious flaw. Inserting an inappropriate string like > "i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me" in Emacs users' email > messages, without asking their permission and without informing them, is > unacceptable. Oh come off it. From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:29:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23432: 25.0.93; Email from Gnus now going out with Message-IDs @gmail.com Resent-From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. 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[24.222.90.80]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u3sm164197igq.15.2016.05.04.17.10.08 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 May 2016 17:10:08 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) References: <87h9efsig5.fsf@gmail.com> <871t5imycz.fsf@gmail.com> <83eg9hkhct.fsf@gnu.org> <877ff9dc26.fsf@gmail.com> <87mvo5brpv.fsf@moondust.awandering> <87lh3p344q.fsf@russet.org.uk> Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 21:10:07 -0300 In-Reply-To: <87lh3p344q.fsf@russet.org.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Wed, 04 May 2016 22:27:49 +0100") Message-ID: <87inytbc0w.fsf@moondust.awandering> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) At 22:27 +0100 on Wednesday 2016-05-04, Phillip Lord wrote: > > Still, you've got to laugh... > > It is supposed to check, though: > > (message-check 'shoot > (if (re-search-forward > "Message-ID.*.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me" nil t) > (y-or-n-p "You appear to have a misconfigured system. Really post? ") > t)) > > So, I wonder why that is failing. Even if the message were less > whimsical, the fallback is supposed to have been captured. Aha! You are quite right Phil. A more careful search shows that every instance of this string in my mail and news directories is in a message that is in a drafts folder; they were never sent! I was confused by ;; Default to this bogus thing. (t (concat sysname ".i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me"))))) where this value is set. I'd missed that it was trapped later. Yeah, it is quite amusing. But not when I'm sending formal emails to potential employers! N.