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[96.30.139.186]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c3sm8843885igx.10.2016.04.25.05.59.26 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Apr 2016 05:59:26 -0700 (PDT) From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 09:59:25 -0300 Message-ID: <87wpnlq1xu.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) While reading the Emacs NEWS file I was happy to discover that the variable `text-quoting-style' can be used to see the conventional readable and unambiguous quoting style for symbols in help buffers etc.. However, when I tried to set it, I discovered that it is missing from Customize. [Putting (setq text-quoting-style 'grave) in my init file works, but I prefer to use custom-set-variables as a matter of course to benefit from its advantages.] Additionally, when I looked in the Emacs Manual, I couldn't find an entry for `text-quoting-style'. 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european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese charscript case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer cl-preloaded nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote dbusbind inotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 865634 151746) (symbols 48 110907 0) (miscs 40 8574 3681) (strings 32 218281 16823) (string-bytes 1 8944080) (vectors 16 56692) (vector-slots 8 1131629 48053) (floats 8 652 1168) (intervals 56 53328 1698) (buffers 976 116) (heap 1024 141311 20814)) From unknown Sat Sep 06 14:24:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23372: 25.0.93; text-quoting-style missing from manual and from customize References: <87wpnlq1xu.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87wpnlq1xu.fsf@gmail.com> Resent-From: Paul Eggert Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23372 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "N. Jackson" Cc: 23372@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 23372-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23372.146162318714845 (code B ref 23372); Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:27:01 +0000 Received: (at 23372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Apr 2016 22:26:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46995 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1auoxX-0003rM-Ib for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 18:26:27 -0400 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:58262) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1auoxW-0003r7-7r for 23372@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 18:26:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6339E161262; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id txpXPES_lld9; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E473161282; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:26:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id mgqhbiHDHQ9f; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from penguin.cs.ucla.edu (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0596C161262; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:26:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Eggert Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:26:18 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C134BBE9A282F952038D6309" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C134BBE9A282F952038D6309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When text-quoting-style was introduced, Stefan Monnier (then the maintainer) did not see the need the the variable at all, and wrote "At the very least it should not be a Custom var." See: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-08/msg01020.html Eventually I vaguely recall that Stefan was persuaded to put up with the variable. Still, I think he's right that it's not suitable for a user option. I installed the attached patch to try to document this better. 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Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from penguin.cs.ucla.edu (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A402A160972 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:27:55 -0700 (PDT) To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Paul Eggert Subject: 23372 control Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:27:55 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 23372 notabug wontfix From unknown Sat Sep 06 14:24:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23372: 25.0.93; text-quoting-style missing from manual and from customize Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 01:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23372 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix notabug To: Paul Eggert , "N. Jackson" Cc: 23372@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 23372-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23372.14616349036757 (code B ref 23372); Tue, 26 Apr 2016 01:42:02 +0000 Received: (at 23372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2016 01:41:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47235 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aus0V-0001ku-AN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 21:41:43 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:37168) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aus0T-0001kf-Sn for 23372@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2016 21:41:42 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3Q1fSXe024691 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Apr 2016 01:41:28 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3Q1fROL019573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Apr 2016 01:41:28 GMT Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3Q1fPuQ015253; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 01:41:26 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 18:41:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <87wpnlq1xu.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) It _should_ be a user option. You've radically changed the default behavior of Emacs. Give individual users a simple way to undo your choice. This is at least as important as letting a user change the default appearance of a face. And yes, it should be prominently documented. From unknown Sat Sep 06 14:24:02 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Subject: bug#23372: closed (Re: bug#23372: 25.0.93; text-quoting-style missing from manual and from customize) Message-ID: References: <83lh40287l.fsf@gnu.org> <87wpnlq1xu.fsf@gmail.com> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 23372 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: wontfix notabug Reply-To: 23372@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 06:31:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1461652262-2758-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1461652262-2758-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #23372: 25.0.93; `text-quoting-style' missing from manual and from customize which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 23372@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 23372: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D23372 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1461652262-2758-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 23372-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2016 06:30:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47386 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1auwW5-0000hv-3b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 02:30:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50896) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1auwW2-0000hi-Vc for 23372-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 02:30:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1auwVt-0002iY-IB for 23372-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 02:30:29 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41993) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1auwVt-0002iT-Fi; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 02:30:25 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1992 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1auwVs-0002LR-PC; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 02:30:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:30:06 +0300 Message-Id: <83lh40287l.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Mon, 25 Apr 2016 18:41:23 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#23372: 25.0.93; text-quoting-style missing from manual and from customize References: <87wpnlq1xu.fsf@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23372-done Cc: nljlistbox2@gmail.com, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 23372-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 18:41:23 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 23372@debbugs.gnu.org > > It _should_ be a user option. You've radically changed the > default behavior of Emacs. Give individual users a simple > way to undo your choice. This is at least as important as > letting a user change the default appearance of a face. I don't think we know enough about the impact of this feature to make that decision at this time. We will have to see how it is accepted by the users out there first. It could be deemed by the majority as the best invention since sliced bread. Having a variable to disable it is a good fire escape for now. > And yes, it should be prominently documented. It is, just not in the user manual. 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Jackson) To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.0.93; `text-quoting-style' missing from manual and from customize Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 09:59:25 -0300 Message-ID: <87wpnlq1xu.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) While reading the Emacs NEWS file I was happy to discover that the variable `text-quoting-style' can be used to see the conventional readable and unambiguous quoting style for symbols in help buffers etc.. However, when I tried to set it, I discovered that it is missing from Customize. [Putting (setq text-quoting-style 'grave) in my init file works, but I prefer to use custom-set-variables as a matter of course to benefit from its advantages.] Additionally, when I looked in the Emacs Manual, I couldn't find an entry for `text-quoting-style'. 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[208.82.103.192]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y198sm2978919iof.10.2016.04.26.17.02.22 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:02:22 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Received: by Hermes.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id CFADF5160C17; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: References: <87wpnlq1xu.fsf@gmail.com> <83lh40287l.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:02:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83lh40287l.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:30:06 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.93 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> It _should_ be a user option. You've radically changed the default behav= ior >> of Emacs. Give individual users a simple way to undo your choice. This is >> at least as important as letting a user change the default appearance of= a >> face. > I don't think we know enough about the impact of this feature to make that > decision at this time. We will have to see how it is accepted by the users > out there first. It could be deemed by the majority as the best invention > since sliced bread. Having a variable to disable it is a good fire escape > for now. I believe it should be a customizable option. Reason: I want to customize t= hat option and turn it off; and I'd much rather use customize-option to do it t= han add Lisp code to my .emacs (which I almost never have to do for variables, = so I don't see why this should be a special case). I don't think we need to wait to hear a ruckus before we offer people a way= to return to the Emacs-they-know-and-love. So, would someone please make this variable into a customizable option? I can do so by the weekend if no one e= lse gets to it. =2D-=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJXIAGIAAoJEMFE2PTxn+YwzcsL/imiM+hZG8myjgDBMMPcWbcF 547EERxwynE9mJygp4LKUk5G7e63r3DnFiAEP1u3yLkAgp59YGGbMLNLyPf5+/jQ VFh71/OrNQ5o4/Ckekego3sQviyCtoKutTbeoPXLUK5ICTHzOM8PBpQiRCfRQXIj 9HysAEevh+Ec/sagw5z86u/q55hbN3IHxhdeK5Qvgc08zV48x5Rf+BpqkeSSSp1q NcegZHvIJoGLNNPyOKeSMIQ6+EIWEaldS1oaMV26/l/Tmvzibxsx1bXe8fkgBMXI SeEElL4WPRWXUWVBL5u7+AjXE8qKgewyvIjWvqVuGuQn4U2IQLt7aevnkdEQVI8o 5+5w7kvfMFlAm/Xl8aDMNBbAI2yu7ICpyLwtQD9aRi+RCcg3ffeQoBTNfSBzKcwU jIX2VACgV2t3AUFRG1BMNymP4kP7ZR2+8NqC7vCQ/dkZYpSTFaf6iyVIdDWKGnVY fjEtEdrcoUTX6t/ta6WPx1BETAq53DBNacsR9h/WEg== =gwMo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From unknown Sat Sep 06 14:24:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23372: 25.0.93; text-quoting-style missing from manual and from customize Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 06:45:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23372 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix notabug To: John Wiegley Cc: nljlistbox2@gmail.com, 23372@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 23372-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23372.146173946315140 (code B ref 23372); Wed, 27 Apr 2016 06:45:01 +0000 Received: (at 23372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2016 06:44:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49326 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avJCx-0003w7-A6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:44:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35946) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avJCv-0003vv-Nf for 23372@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:44:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1avJCp-0002pl-Gd for 23372@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:44:16 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41688) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1avJCj-0002oN-Kf; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:44:09 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2784 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1avJCi-0003xw-Px; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:44:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 09:43:53 +0300 Message-Id: <83eg9rzh3q.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from John Wiegley on Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:02:16 -0400) References: <87wpnlq1xu.fsf@gmail.com> <83lh40287l.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: John Wiegley > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, nljlistbox2@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:02:16 -0400 > > >> It _should_ be a user option. You've radically changed the default behavior > >> of Emacs. Give individual users a simple way to undo your choice. This is > >> at least as important as letting a user change the default appearance of a > >> face. > > > I don't think we know enough about the impact of this feature to make that > > decision at this time. We will have to see how it is accepted by the users > > out there first. It could be deemed by the majority as the best invention > > since sliced bread. Having a variable to disable it is a good fire escape > > for now. > > I believe it should be a customizable option. Reason: I want to customize that > option and turn it off; and I'd much rather use customize-option to do it than > add Lisp code to my .emacs (which I almost never have to do for variables, so > I don't see why this should be a special case). I don't object too strongly to having this as a defcustom, but I still want to point out that having 2 (or 3) people who want this as a defcustom is not necessarily a large enough sample for us to change past decisions before we release even a single Emacs version with the feature. It is easy to make a variable into a defcustom; the inverse is generally much harder. > So, would someone please make this variable into a customizable > option? I can do so by the weekend if no one else gets to it. If it's going to be a defcustom, I guess we need suitable changes in NEWS and in the user manual. From unknown Sat Sep 06 14:24:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23372: 25.0.93; text-quoting-style missing from manual and from customize Resent-From: John Wiegley Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23372 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix notabug To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: nljlistbox2@gmail.com, 23372@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Received: via spool by 23372-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23372.146186268023119 (code B ref 23372); Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:58:01 +0000 Received: (at 23372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2016 16:58:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53449 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avpGK-00060p-B4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:58:00 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f41.google.com ([209.85.218.41]:34881) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avpGH-00060P-Id for 23372@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:57:57 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f41.google.com with SMTP id x19so90220926oix.2 for <23372@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 09:57:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version; bh=qgSdzQbpwpdQBiTAPMyYbNAw9oQ2ksGxrhRChdk71gY=; b=T/ox1suTRgjC0NE8xZ26knHIqITsqMJSifRC69ljurYD4nV9b2cK2iA3g7EqlscA9u uDnVQeFkbYa5Vp1c1O9lPqrW0h8bXs4QqhrElhhBMzw/6XFfQNlnOiNYX8SKdem2XAiI nE+3JaBZHjh16eBBHzeZGdLyFTO3oK0oiXRMJTIjJIYps8lZLSA+fpC0p0JPv45WcdcD oBtf3A3deohOvzHkQsldCbWcGvKfuwD80yHScgWYOYPaQgLjd6uSwzyPRbElGosqcckk VmXVUG/vNW1uYyyXtFKqL7s+t2UlBlVc9f2ELdJt13FTZJNt1mYvubGHFmTjtr6An/cI Jlvg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id :references:user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version; bh=qgSdzQbpwpdQBiTAPMyYbNAw9oQ2ksGxrhRChdk71gY=; b=H/eNichlglVB48DL4R5Vuw86OpqZGK2YdsXsBN67FTahdoOAqkGzrodeb4GL2IemHV ceKiTNALH7N5BMFThf4GCZynyxAY2b/xrkrZRvCdszFpzpwBUpW9ehnfvuU0dUkKK9wi T/TqyxrvS52DLuI6KYtGrt719H5pZgw557j/ZIYk1l4hUmZvp9qMyBvsuCqDZoiwCjij u1i1nj3p1RfPir/YHivoUe6Y02Q3PNb6GkUZvEA/4yIKYL+gC66F0jZEIEXxkyKkFEAq 2nWeqAh8rW3NNgs6pOyZ4cWcMCXt73ZSuJuPJhtR+A5b3Iwy4oyZ5LvP2vDy8seigDVj 4JwQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FVgPMXDkAMit617BC7kIC8QbvlsPvWvwivJRlT1JzRpbfBlkNsrPgtEQ0/SoBqqiA== X-Received: by 10.157.51.70 with SMTP id u6mr7182979otd.8.1461862672158; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 09:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id dl17sm637487obc.9.2016.04.28.09.57.48 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Apr 2016 09:57:48 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id CE79C1465F61C; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 09:57:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83eg9rzh3q.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 27 Apr 2016 09:43:53 +0300") Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:10:44 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87wpnlq1xu.fsf@gmail.com> <83lh40287l.fsf@gnu.org> <83eg9rzh3q.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.93 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , 23372@debbugs.gnu.org, nljlistbox2@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > It is easy to make a variable into a defcustom; the inverse is generally > much harder. That _is_ a rather strong argument... The main reason I'd like a customization option along with the introduction of the feature, is that it's a departure from *very* long-standiing practice, so unless you happen to like Unicode quotes, I'm predicting that several people will want a way to get back the sort of display they've been used to seeing since antiquity. Do any others object to having a customization option along with release of the feature? I'm cross-posting this to Emacs-devel to get more opinions. The question is: Should `text-quoting-style' be customizable in 25.1, or should it be a variable, thus requiring Lisp code to change it for now? -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 From unknown Sat Sep 06 14:24:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23372: 25.0.93; text-quoting-style missing from manual and from customize Resent-From: Kaushal Modi Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 21:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23372 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix notabug To: Eli Zaretskii , 23372@debbugs.gnu.org, nljlistbox2@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Received: via spool by 23372-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23372.14618799179942 (code B ref 23372); Thu, 28 Apr 2016 21:46:02 +0000 Received: (at 23372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2016 21:45:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53613 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avtkL-0002aI-HM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 17:45:17 -0400 Received: from mail-ob0-f173.google.com ([209.85.214.173]:35733) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avtkK-0002a6-Fw for 23372@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 17:45:16 -0400 Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id n10so40557229obb.2 for <23372@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 14:45:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=0qCrwvlfhei9FSGx8O23PDzrN++DbM/QC6oZKj8gTxg=; b=hrP5TpLYXigJR2Rbh1d3vjdnjpDA5uvPeKvIOekDMGQygUDm9+W9QALiL0EUVcXfys Cz3WkWCZ9/4awavYxYybFkE/QqyLtiesRa5krb6sS9SKEjQWmRAcuq9HADtFORFoDDa0 mI9pCgtqAD+gLklnWNVxRV7i7gMlELCTnK74YtZJy6xLJ60D4kZNS8d0gXJ6ptacVwA7 luEFAZvb58WJCTfMYxewjb1hKfemNCnJkYKV7LexKXy5ZHfwtx8AgpNQyxq0NKJzEBsr g4eMRTjgdbTcoxyi4oTD8pB+sT2LRcAXVs70w/mmZg5w9mZlB7Q/Am4qA7BcVofYOIQG A6+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=0qCrwvlfhei9FSGx8O23PDzrN++DbM/QC6oZKj8gTxg=; b=RsqB16KiMVJpFjFOkVNMZTWngzbS3kaGcUeDwWwL0pexT6W1Bvi6fOYWNW8BFdGX2a XXK/odZy0oHpCh5mj5yHysBLZPBj1eAtLscgwvBUsa3BYXRDDVO+GTXy638lh0U34x0b AQtmTdZd4iKMdLniPPHa8NZOEXnF1PDvyP1wl2WmLwz9JfA+dHAlTcZS6FWBfnWh+tWT Ma9fXqb7oVB35SgywMjGnyM5CdTdXkKIYTU7P+kWHyqR127xf3KQsC7GFICSYeFKREhE cXabNig5p/Jkbqmn4hsNBfKUygyVhyoG5qLb8JwcgEM92m7r06SXKvQLx4PqbdT5XOgV qioQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FUNTHzYujJLm7OJLfpKtg+uVV90zFBMtJoFOM+wHurX5cLV+Ce1MUn1aB4aL8tkAyuafgY3Ner0vYgjtg== X-Received: by 10.60.97.40 with SMTP id dx8mr2306297oeb.30.1461879910900; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 14:45:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87wpnlq1xu.fsf@gmail.com> <83lh40287l.fsf@gnu.org> <83eg9rzh3q.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: From: Kaushal Modi Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 21:45:01 +0000 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011611b4cb2a65053192703e X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --089e011611b4cb2a65053192703e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Do any others object to having a customization option along with release of > the feature? I'm cross-posting this to Emacs-devel to get more opinions. > > The question is: Should `text-quoting-style' be customizable in 25.1, or > should it be a variable, thus requiring Lisp code to change it for now? > If a user's opinion counts, I now like the curved quotes (thanks Paul and others!). The quotes look great! There was initial resistance from my side as I saw a lot of inconsistencies. But by now, all the inconsistencies that at least I saw are resolved. Earlier I wanted to switch back to quotes being displayed as ` and ', but not anymore :). So I do not mind the quotes being displayed curly by default and that option still not being a defcustom. If we see a lot of emacs users unhappy because of this, then may be this is converted to defcustom in 25.2? Because as Eli said: > It is easy to make a variable into a defcustom; the inverse is generally > much harder. -- -- Kaushal Modi --089e011611b4cb2a65053192703e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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If a user's opinion counts, I now like= the curved quotes (thanks Paul and others!). The quotes look great! There = was initial resistance from my side as I saw a lot of inconsistencies. But = by now, all the inconsistencies that at least I saw are resolved. Earlier I= wanted to switch back to quotes being displayed as ` and ', but not an= ymore :).

So I do not mind the quotes being displa= yed curly by default and that option still not being a defcustom.

If we see a lot of emacs users unhappy because of this, the= n may be this is converted to defcustom in 25.2? Because as Eli said:
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>= It is easy to make a variable into a defcustom; the inverse is generally
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--089e011611b4cb2a65053192703e-- From unknown Sat Sep 06 14:24:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23372: 25.0.93; text-quoting-style missing from manual and from customize Resent-From: Nicolas Petton Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23372 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix notabug To: John Wiegley , Eli Zaretskii Cc: nljlistbox2@gmail.com, 23372@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Received: via spool by 23372-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23372.146193448030941 (code B ref 23372); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:55:02 +0000 Received: (at 23372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 12:54:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54072 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aw7wN-00082z-Pc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 08:54:39 -0400 Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]:33530) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aw7wL-00082r-U8 for 23372@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 08:54:38 -0400 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D88020E0D for <23372@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 08:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 08:54:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=Pqnae2NrbHQQ4fXNbuboHXp9p/k=; b=aTsdC RZSc1Van5VYU18UPsg6LYnwQW9yFCZzvJwMY/rrfC0ItfFaQiyc8Bq6gjRJxU3Tr UO57mZyhju2Ct4e0p1y/8EM7ldazQUEXS/rLcKUPe8TuOZnbWr3SMR04irj3EpKC Gzu5xEHy5PDPW7ZmYrm40O3HoV7eUsHvyTr/ks= X-Sasl-enc: GK02C8L6uG+rlP1nfOetsJIsQBSaWud6K5019PoLtN0+ 1461934477 Received: from blueberry (89-156-196-194.rev.numericable.fr [89.156.196.194]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A68C0C00014; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 08:54:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Petton In-Reply-To: References: <87wpnlq1xu.fsf@gmail.com> <83lh40287l.fsf@gnu.org> <83eg9rzh3q.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.21 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/25.0.92.2 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:54:35 +0200 Message-ID: <87mvoctw1g.fsf@petton.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain John Wiegley writes: > The question is: Should `text-quoting-style' be customizable in 25.1, or > should it be a variable, thus requiring Lisp code to change it for > now? I think I'd go for a defcustom. 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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h9sm5241646otb.17.2016.04.29.14.22.15 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:22:15 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id ABBA014667B89; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:22:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <87wpnlq1xu.fsf@gmail.com> <83lh40287l.fsf@gnu.org> <83eg9rzh3q.fsf@gnu.org> Mail-Followup-To: Kaushal Modi , Eli Zaretskii , 23372@debbugs.gnu.org, nljlistbox2@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:22:14 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Kaushal Modi's message of "Thu, 28 Apr 2016 21:45:01 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.92 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) >>>>> Kaushal Modi writes: > If we see a lot of emacs users unhappy because of this, then may be this is > converted to defcustom in 25.2? Because as Eli said: OK, I'm fine with that, as it seems the path of greatest caution. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2