GNU bug report logs - #23350
25.0.93; Docstring of bookmark-save-flag wrongly says that bookmark-default-file defaults do ~/.emacs.bmk

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From: Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto <jorge13515 <at> gmail.com>
To: "bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Subject: 25.0.93; Docstring of bookmark-save-flag wrongly says that
 bookmark-default-file defaults do ~/.emacs.bmk
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 17:42:36 -0300

bookmark-default-file is defined in bookmark.el as follows:
    (defcustom bookmark-default-file
      (if bookmark-file
          ;; In case user set `bookmark-file' in her .emacs:
          bookmark-file
        (locate-user-emacs-file "bookmarks" ".emacs.bmk"))
      "File in which to save bookmarks by default."
      :type 'file
      :group 'bookmark)

Therefore, ".emacs.bmk" is not the default.  Because of the semantics of
locate-user-emacs-file, the default is equivalent to
(concat user-emacs-directory "bookmarks")

In GNU Emacs 25.0.93.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.18.9)
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Message #8 received at 23350 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: John Mastro <john.b.mastro <at> gmail.com>
To: 23350 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto <jorge13515 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#23350: 25.0.93; Docstring of bookmark-save-flag wrongly says
 that bookmark-default-file defaults do ~/.emacs.bmk
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:32:38 -0700

Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto <jorge13515 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> bookmark-default-file is defined in bookmark.el as follows:
>     (defcustom bookmark-default-file
>       (if bookmark-file
>           ;; In case user set `bookmark-file' in her .emacs:
>           bookmark-file
>         (locate-user-emacs-file "bookmarks" ".emacs.bmk"))
>       "File in which to save bookmarks by default."
>       :type 'file
>       :group 'bookmark)
>
> Therefore, ".emacs.bmk" is not the default.  Because of the semantics of
> locate-user-emacs-file, the default is equivalent to
> (concat user-emacs-directory "bookmarks")

My reading of the docstring and code is that it's working as intended.
It's not that .emacs.bmk is the default, but that it was the default in
the past.

The logic seems to be (assuming ~/.emacs.d/ is the user's Emacs
directory):
  1. If `bookmark-file' is non-nil, use that
  2. If ~/.emacs.d/bookmarks exists, use that
  3. If ~/.emacs.d/.emacs.bmk exists, use that
  4. Otherwise, use ~/.emacs.d/bookmarks

Note that ~/.emacs.d/bookmarks is used in both 2 and 4.

In other words, ~/.emacs.d/bookmarks is the real default, but it's
accommodating the continued use of the old default
(~/.emacs.d/.emacs.bmk).

-- 
        John

Message #11 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jorge Morais <jorge13515 <at> gmail.com>
To: "bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Subject: Re: 25.0.93; Docstring of bookmark-save-flag wrongly says that
 bookmark-default-file defaults do ~/.emacs.bmk
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 18:51:33 -0300

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
<jorge13515 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Therefore, ".emacs.bmk" is not the default.  Because of the semantics of
> locate-user-emacs-file, the default is equivalent to
> (concat user-emacs-directory "bookmarks")

Oops, I forgot to say that the docstring of bookmark-load also needs
to be updated.  I don't need to open a new bug, this e-mail reply is
enough, right?

-- 
I am Brazilian.  I apologize for possibly bad English and I welcome corrections.

Message #14 received at 23350 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto <jorge13515 <at> gmail.com>
To: John Mastro <john.b.mastro <at> gmail.com>, 23350 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23350: 25.0.93; Docstring of bookmark-save-flag wrongly
 says that bookmark-default-file defaults do ~/.emacs.bmk
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 12:37:48 -0300

On Sat, 2016-04-23 at 14:32 -0700, John Mastro wrote:
> My reading of the docstring and code is that it's working as intended.
> It's not that .emacs.bmk is the default, but that it was the default in
> the past.
> 
> The logic seems to be (assuming ~/.emacs.d/ is the user's Emacs
> directory):
>   1. If `bookmark-file' is non-nil, use that
>   2. If ~/.emacs.d/bookmarks exists, use that
>   3. If ~/.emacs.d/.emacs.bmk exists, use that
>   4. Otherwise, use ~/.emacs.d/bookmarks
> 
> Note that ~/.emacs.d/bookmarks is used in both 2 and 4.
> 
> In other words, ~/.emacs.d/bookmarks is the real default, but it's
> accommodating the continued use of the old default
> (~/.emacs.d/.emacs.bmk).
In a vanilla, non-customized installation of Emacs, bookmark-default-file
is "~/.emacs.d/bookmarks".  That is what should be reported as the default
value.

Instead, the docstring of bookmark-save-flag says:
> To specify the file in which to save them, modify the variable
> ‘bookmark-default-file’, which is ‘~/.emacs.bmk’ by default.

This is confusing.  The docstring of bookmark-load is also confusing, as it
says:
> Your own personal bookmark file, ‘~/.emacs.bmk’, is
> maintained automatically by Emacs

These docstrings could send a novice user in the wrong direction, consuming
his time and reinforcing the image that configuring Emacs is time-consuming. 

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Message #19 received at 23350-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto <jorge13515 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: john.b.mastro <at> gmail.com, 23350-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23350: 25.0.93;
 Docstring of bookmark-save-flag wrongly says that
 bookmark-default-file defaults do ~/.emacs.bmk
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 11:31:28 +0300

> From: Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto <jorge13515 <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 12:37:48 -0300
> 
> On Sat, 2016-04-23 at 14:32 -0700, John Mastro wrote:
> > My reading of the docstring and code is that it's working as intended.
> > It's not that .emacs.bmk is the default, but that it was the default in
> > the past.
> > 
> > The logic seems to be (assuming ~/.emacs.d/ is the user's Emacs
> > directory):
> >   1. If `bookmark-file' is non-nil, use that
> >   2. If ~/.emacs.d/bookmarks exists, use that
> >   3. If ~/.emacs.d/.emacs.bmk exists, use that
> >   4. Otherwise, use ~/.emacs.d/bookmarks
> > 
> > Note that ~/.emacs.d/bookmarks is used in both 2 and 4.
> > 
> > In other words, ~/.emacs.d/bookmarks is the real default, but it's
> > accommodating the continued use of the old default
> > (~/.emacs.d/.emacs.bmk).
> In a vanilla, non-customized installation of Emacs, bookmark-default-file
> is "~/.emacs.d/bookmarks".  That is what should be reported as the default
> value.
> 
> Instead, the docstring of bookmark-save-flag says:
> > To specify the file in which to save them, modify the variable
> > ‘bookmark-default-file’, which is ‘~/.emacs.bmk’ by default.
> 
> This is confusing.  The docstring of bookmark-load is also confusing, as it
> says:
> > Your own personal bookmark file, ‘~/.emacs.bmk’, is
> > maintained automatically by Emacs
> 
> These docstrings could send a novice user in the wrong direction, consuming
> his time and reinforcing the image that configuring Emacs is time-consuming. 

Thanks, fixed for Emacs 25.1.

Message #22 received at 23350-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jorge <jorge13515 <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: john.b.mastro <at> gmail.com, 23350-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23350: 25.0.93; Docstring of bookmark-save-flag wrongly says
 that bookmark-default-file defaults do ~/.emacs.bmk
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 08:06:28 -0300

On 25 April 2016 at 05:31, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:
> Thanks, fixed for Emacs 25.1.

Thank you very much!

-- 
- I am Brazilian.  I apologize for possibly bad English and I welcome
corrections.
- Please adopt free formats like PDF, ODF, LaTeX, Vorbis, Opus, WebM and 7z.
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