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M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2016 17:00:39 +0200 Message-ID: <87d1pyltd4.fsf@TK-PC.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tick= le-me> --text follows this line-- With Croatian (HRV) keyboard active, instead of executing commands beginning-of-buffer and end-of-buffer, M-< and M-> just insert '<' and '>' characters in most (but not all) buffers. C-h k M-< gives: '< runs the command self-insert-command' in all user buffers open with C-x C-f. Also, in '*GNU Emacs and '*About GNU Emacs*' buffers M-< gives '< is undefi= ned'. In the following buffers it works correctly: *Help*, *Messages*, *Buffer List*, *Bug Help* With e.g. Spanish keyboard which has exactly the same <> key postion (next to Left Shift) everything works OK. Also with US keyboard. No problems with CRO(HRV) keyboard in Emacs 24.5 either. In GNU Emacs 25.0.92.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) =A0of 2016-03-31 built on LEG570 Repository revision: df441b362c25c4ad59ea3d83137328d0d4098eaf Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: =A0'configure --host=3Di686-pc-mingw32' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG SOUND NOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS Important settings: =A0 value of $LANG: HRV =A0 locale-coding-system: cp1250 Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: =A0 tooltip-mode: t =A0 global-eldoc-mode: t =A0 electric-indent-mode: t =A0 mouse-wheel-mode: t =A0 tool-bar-mode: t =A0 menu-bar-mode: t =A0 file-name-shadow-mode: t =A0 global-font-lock-mode: t =A0 blink-cursor-mode: t =A0 auto-composition-mode: t =A0 auto-encryption-mode: t =A0 auto-compression-mode: t =A0 buffer-read-only: t =A0 line-number-mode: t =A0 transient-mark-mode: t Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Mark set [2 times] Quit < is undefined > is undefined Load-path shadows: None found. 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Also, what happens if you use the right Alt key instead of the left Alt key to produce M-< etc.? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 09 12:38:28 2016 Received: (at 23251) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Apr 2016 16:38:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56225 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aovtz-0001kl-RT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 12:38:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34604) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aovty-0001kY-Km for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 12:38:26 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aovto-0003DI-JW for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 12:38:21 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45412) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aovto-0003DC-GZ; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 12:38:16 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1929 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aovtn-0008SQ-Sl; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 12:38:16 -0400 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2016 19:37:39 +0300 Message-Id: <838u0mivqk.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Josko In-reply-to: (message from Josko on Sat, 9 Apr 2016 15:17:30 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#23251: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23251 Cc: 23251@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: jjezina@hotmail.com > To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard > Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2016 17:00:39 +0200 > > In the following buffers it works correctly: > *Help*, *Messages*, *Buffer List*, *Bug Help* This is just because in these buffers '<' and '>' do the same as M-< and M->. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 09 22:38:58 2016 Received: (at 23251) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Apr 2016 02:38:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56473 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ap5H8-0000sp-LL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 22:38:58 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58595) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ap5H6-0000sd-Lb for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 22:38:56 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ap5Gy-0002iP-8F for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 22:38:51 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53853) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ap5Gy-0002iL-4s; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 22:38:48 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2664 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ap5Gx-0001FE-Jz; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 22:38:47 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 05:38:12 +0300 Message-Id: <83zit2gpd7.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Josko , Ilya Zakharevich In-reply-to: (message from Josko on Sat, 9 Apr 2016 20:41:09 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#23251: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard References: , <83a8l2ivxn.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23251 Cc: 23251@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Josko > Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 20:41:09 +0000 > > Thank your for the quick answer. > > No effect with right ALT because that's AltGr key used for other characters- > With CRO keyboard AltGr-< and AltGr-> produce no characters nor commands, > but with US keyb. AltGr-< gives: '' char. , and nothing with AltGr->. > > Also, on CRO keyb., AltGr is mostly used for these chars: > AltGR-v = @, AltGR-b = { , AltGr-n = }, AltGr-f = [ , AltGr-g = ] , AltGr-q = \ , AltGr-w = | > etc. > For example command M-@ is Alt-AltGr-v and works OK. > > ESC-< and ESC-> also work OK in 25.0.92. > > Finally-as soon as I switch to US keyboard (which is always installed in Windows) with ALT-SHIFT, > everything is OK with Alt-< and Alt-> in all buffers... > > Regarding latest pretest 25.1 version, thanks for the suggestion. > I've used the latest precompiled version from sourceforge.net/projects/emacs-bin/files/snapshots/ > (emacs-25-20160331T094545Z-bin-i686-mingw32.7z). > That's how I've found that Spanish keyborad works because the uploader couldn't reproduce the problem. > Sorry, I don't know how to compile it from sources myself... Ilya, could you perhaps look into this? 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AltGr-< gives: 'Ç' char. , and nothing with AltGr->. > > > > Also, on CRO keyb., AltGr is mostly used for these chars: > > AltGR-v = @, AltGR-b = { , AltGr-n = }, AltGr-f = [ , AltGr-g = ] , AltGr-q = \ , AltGr-w = | > > etc. > > For example command M-@ is Alt-AltGr-v and works OK. > > > > ESC-< and ESC-> also work OK in 25.0.92. > > > > Finally-as soon as I switch to US keyboard (which is always installed in Windows) with ALT-SHIFT, > > everything is OK with Alt-< and Alt-> in all buffers... > > > > Regarding latest pretest 25.1 version, thanks for the suggestion. > > I've used the latest precompiled version from sourceforge.net/projects/emacs-bin/files/snapshots/ > > (emacs-25-20160331T094545Z-bin-i686-mingw32.7z). > > That's how I've found that Spanish keyborad works because the uploader couldn't reproduce the problem. > > Sorry, I don't know how to compile it from sources myself... > > Ilya, could you perhaps look into this? From https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=23251 it is not clear what “Generate-Meta” settings are used in this bug, given that there is no Meta key on the Windows. • Is it with no init/site files? • What happens if this key is pressed with Alt⸣s? • What happens if this key is pressed with left Alt? • What happens if this key is pressed with AltGr? • What happens if this key is pressed with Alt and AltGr? Myself, I won’t be able to test this for a few days, since the only laptop-or-hardware-keyboard about me with ISO key present is not accessible right now. Yours, Ilya From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 10 15:46:41 2016 Received: (at 23251) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Apr 2016 19:46:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57561 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1apLJh-00020E-Af for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2016 15:46:41 -0400 Received: from nm23-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.136.217.86]:50299) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1apLJf-000201-GB for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2016 15:46:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1460317593; bh=YQaJeJJ1bL3wYw7zkWgtgfh4KuGpH1UTYWiZ+GkdQhU=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=GTUfuuuOJ4wWKfdujr4HIAsZUME27Qy167WpZPwlxHJmCSlw8wkhoAK0RhPcbEeoIpPOMTUy5mnXfthI7Cb5v4b7xILodN8WX/nfn3yqjXFLlcinWQd+xrMKQyx0TSvQIOwgAyOEDvUAw68rdC3xTmb2X3vSgezaP28cJUNOU8R/fgNwGZBFSqUuMBOjhyJ5fPGXQynNolFaznzO0NPSprJx1WLA4FBsUeaNVWlGd94PPeHn+zMKcazEqcG8vHRtresp32z4O3W9a95+1kwq71iHPYPgBjDtgDFcspTINR5zv4iR1b1f49xBLc/jXJCMloYNRJZ5vI2j/EVzUvt+CA== Received: from [98.137.12.58] by nm23.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2016 19:46:33 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.209] by tm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2016 19:46:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp220.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2016 19:46:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 574040.18142.bm@smtp220.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: WhhoIAsVM1mykmjBe5PGj0zgeIPPnQllSqh7TMocxOawI5H okhrLco8OKpfRAaYHdDZbeurxj8Qzsq..yCXOLFNk9iUzCgdzs36jE6tisrq qQyFsFY4wLSUlCankWLGNh4Dbbq2K8wr9jiJFrSpwgVFT9i_A4r2on_EbKka H9IHrK3h16p9QZLgn6W09qRVoZ8ZZT9CN0E8._OAKv82W_kTWOgZNLyyAZsJ kbhGEBQkRR9WVYMEW1xB8eU8Tu6_7kmcG.a9XIXb1FihxMWd5q7Y45rMqdYx DmuaZE58mjvhSQTZ5eWC6a.ygAxQXbw_5XYbM.ZQjEb8LIqMiGEqHNcPLk_5 u0.QHO0.cZnkSNKteP4z6iWhY4nkHPLgpVRkcUsTIxT6ug.b3HtFzd9pCgvI s2mgXj0y36aIfzcrGPKdDS33M9BCTvj93aA5lGac8zxGLDkIquC.9YYEI_0. 4MIuzmlCV3g2SryDCql_hZGG5SBZMv541hMt7CPGYP6OuxvwUXKuWkSeWKc4 3Xxw7nysC9NhDMGs0QkAuIc4Z61sWF2TM7QclqzOhhlEjv.V7R1w- X-Yahoo-SMTP: oLSY3dWswBBqoBVzCkLl_RIsw6heKMxu8wpEbARv1SU- Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 12:46:05 -0700 From: Ilya Zakharevich To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#23251: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard Message-ID: <20160410194605.GA11948@math.berkeley.edu> References: <83a8l2ivxn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zit2gpd7.fsf@gnu.org> <20160410192754.GA11548@math.berkeley.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20160410192754.GA11548@math.berkeley.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23251 Cc: 23251@debbugs.gnu.org, Josko X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 12:27:54PM -0700, Ilya Zakharevich wrote: > From > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=23251 > it is not clear what “Generate-Meta” settings are used in this bug, > given that there is no Meta key on the Windows. > > • Is it with no init/site files? > • What happens if this key is pressed with Alt⸣s? > • What happens if this key is pressed with left Alt? > • What happens if this key is pressed with AltGr? > • What happens if this key is pressed with Alt and AltGr? > > Myself, I won’t be able to test this for a few days, since the only > laptop-or-hardware-keyboard about me with ISO key present is not > accessible right now. On Win7, as far as it is visible from MSKLC, Spanish and Croatian keyboards define the ISO key identically: Base → < Shift → > Ctrl → FS=^\ There is no special binding for any other key (including any Alt). Both keyboards look as having the bit KLLF_ALTGR (sp?) defined (but probably MSKLC would lie about this!). Ilya P.S. What confuses me is with US keyb. AltGr-< gives: 'Ç' char. , and nothing with AltGr->. This is not how US keyboard should behave; it does not define any AltGr bindings! I even checked “US International”, and while it has SOME AltGr bindings, it has none on the ISO key. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 12 13:59:29 2016 Received: (at 23251) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2016 17:59:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33030 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aq2b2-0005Nl-RO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:59:28 -0400 Received: from nm21-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.136.217.51]:37690) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aq2b0-0005NX-PT for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:59:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1460483959; bh=AErwU4IkJk+VQI42d/OocXySSaQkEMmTvCxLAC10IIs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=DTR0/InZK/Cjv+QNyoMMmcjvhGm55K7VYt8coWNHJqAE/7fyEB8hXyGZobWOymdEjSlTXwinojlUSAQ3GVr057uBZ4jLVPMdFL+qIGEvnfkxCPU7YimNLoRVpunoOiUyF7z7ItjbuSiUeFxFaFu7PbE24qaKFzoU0ppeFF/w2A+dFDiSmQ5Yt0geDpYa3ZcsmU7QkBLsUsPeLgOTLJs7N2se4dYf+Ar0fvHizKH7imqmtPHfWBjX37CQX4mf1YJCHWeAqe7gcUcZ4zl/bgJRefHa9ZiWKDj9b7HWcbdZChZ92Z4RYIyYR6NJc0l1kjlMgMyeQvO6LsWs1521iu+dWg== Received: from [98.137.12.62] by nm21.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2016 17:59:19 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.195] by tm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2016 17:59:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2016 17:59:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 521580.55758.bm@smtp206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: dGyxa8YVM1kL1Dq0qYXk1pANUqB8sURJUSAXp4gHj4s1Jyd 7gg_rZT.r3Zb1p579plnoLzQ9UdybAzVQXEBf61tx1oLqqS_9G0sqbY6orQx xMAVrPZgeLB05WAe1Aj_dyilHo9b0onelF6aD7fbAu1DA7luxhh.N8Bd8GM4 SYq3dNmemdfVGVSMN983sS5uiSD0FwP3MHqAVR_1.0uR.dmrIkbd_Ahpy2F_ AGF7tIMe6p0An.8gBDrJ82z9AhTkh7rbgGciJNEjVueEJ3G2qdqbj3PhOkLK RwS6NHBzp1y3IwBe215bqQdf4Zq6K434QepNs63tXkE3bnj3VXM24DlZ.NE. cndIuUCt3prqP8Dveo8zpVsiCeyb5zebYrNtBkd7v_TrdUeQ.zXfqm076x0F bChYRHW_EXfKDFTTvw__0lj1s4VIXE3165zBW3HKwS0Z0R1rO5nl1rnYs6uM 2dXL4d2BV2ibIPc9msldJeptGFZUuObbCtjGj7q3yUJea3ifuqi2OFVh7kUU eV3IAOn_rX.G1.1k- X-Yahoo-SMTP: oLSY3dWswBBqoBVzCkLl_RIsw6heKMxu8wpEbARv1SU- Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:59:18 -0700 From: Ilya Zakharevich To: Josko Subject: Re: bug#23251: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard Message-ID: <20160412175918.GA22163@math.berkeley.edu> References: <83a8l2ivxn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zit2gpd7.fsf@gnu.org> <20160410192754.GA11548@math.berkeley.edu> <20160410194605.GA11948@math.berkeley.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23251 Cc: 23251@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 07:35:12PM +0000, Josko wrote: > But with CRO keyb., on all OSes the same result - only < and > characters are shown. So Alt key is ignored or somehow blocked. > > Note that everything works OK in Emacs 24.5, so I comapred default (emacs -Q) modes and features with 25.0.92, > disabling new features one by one but nothing changed. Do you know about this one (quoting Eli): I also added a new variable, w32-use-fallback-wm-chars-method, which, when non-nil, makes Emacs use the old code from before your changes. This way, one can check whether it is due to MY edit, bug#19994. If it is my code which is at fault, there is a way to get finer info: recompile with -DDBG_WM_CHARS; then my code emits several diagnostic lines per a processed keypress. Ilya From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 12 14:43:30 2016 Received: (at 23251) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2016 18:43:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33055 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aq3He-0006VY-DO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:43:30 -0400 Received: from nm17-vm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.137.177.233]:45702) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aq3Hb-0006VL-VG for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:43:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1460486602; bh=yIFjZ0BcUCMNCGmKqtlOGMnc/ItZDDhY3YTOR1A+Flk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=HGSNYx7EybMZ3bxIdWp1w19VaXW/u4cMLzEhjap4d1ivKNINvc4yMb0cYVzPyYb5GE9kWhSGwTxRKZzCI1RWxKBV/6e5wpIXRgfBZmbdo6g+03o11VmIGAeUybez1eV+4zMdM9cGDlMs92oPv0zzYKLvhTzZSR+tehKL0yYOX5SYtoSaDDrBLf3PWHXgamdRrJcty6zRIvjoX/6GP8KHKrkZT2tRPl4WQfOj1vU/+U+QIiikxZUylvn8Nn2bFcu+7rd0gr/cDwZfcR/t66SUljlc7d9NNRGHaI0Vf5UX4VhS0ApiPTw9Jd4xorCuDfLGhuXJ+51B5iPkJkhS+RB+Hw== Received: from [216.39.60.184] by nm17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2016 18:43:22 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.194] by tm20.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2016 18:43:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2016 18:43:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 51413.67224.bm@smtp205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: _eqE2NYVM1lw3NPzFJnseD.bUZX9mXHO_jP_z_qAwwfPuT9 CUkbXNM5UvjUSaePcHim5bbdGuuLuYOoYGV0ahh6vd8N8x8rFPlTRCg3SLJw U56okwpJlt3GGjLU4nW5SvsVt92IuKsbvbB2B7sh_zPzuKhe1KBVZTTaeTpg XAhAxYY6Gd2dKkXhgCaWKlJv0KCjVHLx4G5PRSLrcNcYptjanCgS_I.0T1wE 55ocjFllqN7ETbiGy2tUj7jC.NbAhYWSwxgAyTnb8BInO1mnccmw5Hkkr3P1 vFNkpvb0Qjc5.qteIS8LiktvMZizWH0Fx1F_05He7Zjp2K1r9iQ2ZtYOGXnV D.N3N7yGY_Yoiy4HDjgVVCOgF0.b.jNJuwFcszskEKFfdjllofvFK6xkTdVa 1S.bKLDskWH6ynnHjYA3Eqlb_WhdXpkiToJDZ7t0yFOBcDGrRdMamtPPTHRp IZMcIQBfEUw2WkivPmgXx2yJeBW.bg4SAF2eWrf3I.RWPR6XExaH_Wt1zB2v taTv6fDYyefZuzHsNs3bMpsFMyiM8wb7dUwxkywt9RI9qbf18nWw- X-Yahoo-SMTP: oLSY3dWswBBqoBVzCkLl_RIsw6heKMxu8wpEbARv1SU- Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 11:43:17 -0700 From: Ilya Zakharevich To: Josko Subject: Re: bug#23251: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard Message-ID: <20160412184317.GA22702@math.berkeley.edu> References: <83a8l2ivxn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zit2gpd7.fsf@gnu.org> <20160410192754.GA11548@math.berkeley.edu> <20160410194605.GA11948@math.berkeley.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23251 Cc: 23251@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 07:35:12PM +0000, Josko wrote: > But the most peculiar twist happened with Czech and Slovak keyboards- > they are similar, not same, but have the same <> key postion - which is like on US keyboard, > but accessed with AltGr. So AltGr-, is < and AltGr-. is > > > So, M-< is Alt-AltGr-, and M-> is Alt-AltGr-. > Czech: both work OK > Slovak: M-< works OK, but M-> inserts > character! THIS I can reproduce. This is affected by MY patch. Will not be able to look into it in more details quick — hopefully, end of the week! Ilya From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 14 01:37:26 2016 Received: (at 23251) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Apr 2016 05:37:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34255 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aqZy1-0004kA-QG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2016 01:37:25 -0400 Received: from nm14-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.136.218.78]:47313) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aqZy0-0004jw-5j for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2016 01:37:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1460612237; bh=btnxX0JyrfbgeRdhU/X1Ppqnzxm8mbugX9DBrGL+z44=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=pSlQk9Yh3emzB8kAo71rECymEFZUiKmvfyLfOtbkJG45gI4JJa9t6QkxOHXSW/BOCSt13fqQqSkBgNy8EvgAU9Gjx612V1JFVTzEtRk3pQ/dnj/pKaDzWe57Znt38ClWQu6re3HlyMaTiWCsDn1l8KknLfSQyKLlLk6q+wqUIjEA8G1SLdOGbHQIGc5mZgUs+gPaFgLRgbiRSP0/oMblFd4sf+wsExcgNeiccbgvn3K+L1ecnjvAbA6vGEU121kIz8uIaii4zeTZUNRRXy4Aiiy+yBjO+AwiCk9hx/j8O9QAOEQmzKUdZ1m38jztThd5GdrJAYjhL/hCWV3CHWjQhQ== Received: from [98.137.12.57] by nm14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2016 05:37:17 -0000 Received: from [98.136.164.77] by tm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2016 05:37:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp239.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2016 05:37:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 550144.84598.bm@smtp239.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: cr2DZNAVM1n0_7r0VDvlswB7rCr5jLVrPSjbqwQGJjZRuF0 xauU12XlWkDAZTaBxk21FeKeIJEorb4C2ryyK5uLx0HbSyv7SBX43rdU.UwE JM0mh3pBB5Yc0WD3IFP4w1fv8TizcFdcDVABydLljX3UWPJNr_isThik2rq4 DEpAJNzR.rs3GW9TGL1uLWpGUneWYj0d8mDXhqbNzUbKH9NirKtQsiW5nU06 L3gHmv6Y75yRYRFhi_YIZJWH_MK9UTEvT7kHJPeOLfisfPH6QC13HITg9M7L 9_VugGWdHc6S.7aATBUdotYNtGTaW2OlsqBoU7ZT1ox2xPEqRMHC3xxZ4G9f IpqdNjUO7ShWr1Dmd4VlxfgtlFZ7W48TbXAKM03fSTKLHjqakH4i0hzspouJ 3kbs7h0ql5VwUCHWsc.ht4f3KFXtEiTEvsVn2HXDckPuyZEQ7iVI4WGmksIl CmAr4htORhuBUPfeaBL4YRWaLiOOmxWESQLvzPT4BrsMWWa7yu4iLWNZVO5D TGzrQv0aH6qVfzzklQzF0heJufGcA9tesLcynBKsNWCSBMJX3QD0- X-Yahoo-SMTP: oLSY3dWswBBqoBVzCkLl_RIsw6heKMxu8wpEbARv1SU- Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:37:13 -0700 From: Ilya Zakharevich To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#23251: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard Message-ID: <20160414053713.GA29979@math.berkeley.edu> References: <83a8l2ivxn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zit2gpd7.fsf@gnu.org> <20160410192754.GA11548@math.berkeley.edu> <20160410194605.GA11948@math.berkeley.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20160410194605.GA11948@math.berkeley.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23251 Cc: 23251@debbugs.gnu.org, Josko X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 12:46:05PM -0700, Ilya Zakharevich wrote: > keyboards define the ISO key identically: > Base → < > Shift → > > Ctrl → FS=^\ > > There is no special binding for any other key (including any Alt). > Both keyboards look as having the bit KLLF_ALTGR (sp?) defined (but > probably MSKLC would lie about this!). Explanation for enquiring minds: ================================ OK, the reason for a peculiar behaviour of these keys is that they are SECONDARY keypresses which produce the same character. So: • The “more bullet-proofish” branch in my patch cannot handle such keyspresses, and • the fallback (“to assume that every modifier keys DID contribute¹⁾ to the generation of the character”) turned out to be too simple-minded (for this unexpectedly frequent situation). ¹⁾ On Windows, for typical layouts, Alt (NOT AltGr!) and Win modifiers would not affect the generated character. This behaviour of layouts is a little bit more widespread than what I expected. So far I found following pairs: Primary Secondary Generate Czech: AltGr-Q, AltGr-W ISO, Shift-ISO \, | Croat: AltGr-Q, AltGr-W US-\, US-| \, | Croat: AltGr-., AltGr-, ISO, Shift-ISO <, > Slovak: AltGr-z AltGr-, > Slovak: AltGr-. AltGr-ISO < C-Y: US-/, US-| ISO, Shift-ISO \, | (The last row is for Czech-QUERTY, but also for most US-compatible keyboards.) Here US-foo means “the keypress producing ‘foo’ on US keyboard”. Also, on Czech-QUERTY, the following characters allow AltGr access (“A-” below) at the “US layout locations”; together with Czech-layout-specific keypresses, this creates duplication as (AFAIK): Primary: US-! US-` A-US-_ A-US-: US-< US-- A-US-- Secondary: A-US-+ A-US-; US-? US-> A-US-? A-US-= US-/ Produce: + ; _ : ? = - This creates a significant mess if one wants to allow using the secondary locations with Alt modifier (for example, to generate Meta-; by Alt-AltGr-;). It does not look like a small workaround is possible (which does not break OTHER usage scenarios). Ilya P.S. I know a medium-sized workaround which would improve OTHER cases as well. But it cannot be ready in a day or two!] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 14 11:22:03 2016 Received: (at 23251) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Apr 2016 15:22:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35467 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aqj5n-0005ce-FQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:22:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39116) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aqj5l-0005cA-N8 for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:22:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aqj5c-0000QC-Sv for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:21:56 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50613) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aqj5c-0000Q8-PF; Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:21:52 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1139 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aqj5c-0001Hg-1R; Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:21:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 18:21:28 +0300 Message-Id: <83wpo0dxmv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ilya Zakharevich In-reply-to: <20160414053713.GA29979@math.berkeley.edu> (message from Ilya Zakharevich on Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:37:13 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#23251: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard References: <83a8l2ivxn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zit2gpd7.fsf@gnu.org> <20160410192754.GA11548@math.berkeley.edu> <20160410194605.GA11948@math.berkeley.edu> <20160414053713.GA29979@math.berkeley.edu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23251 Cc: 23251@debbugs.gnu.org, jjezina@hotmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:37:13 -0700 > From: Ilya Zakharevich > Cc: Josko , 23251@debbugs.gnu.org > > This creates a significant mess if one wants to allow using the > secondary locations with Alt modifier (for example, to generate Meta-; > by Alt-AltGr-;). It does not look like a small workaround is possible > (which does not break OTHER usage scenarios). > > Ilya > > P.S. I know a medium-sized workaround which would improve OTHER cases > as well. But it cannot be ready in a day or two!] Thanks for looking into this. Is it possible to devise a simple work-around that would depend on some optional variable? The work-around doesn't need to handle all usage scenarios, just allow using a particular keyboard layout with reasonable results (e.g., it could break usage of some other layouts). If such work-around is possible, I think we should consider it for the upcoming Emacs 25.1 as a temporary stopgap. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 16 23:40:49 2016 Received: (at 23251) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2016 03:40:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37712 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ardZo-0006yu-PD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Apr 2016 23:40:48 -0400 Received: from nm9-vm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.136.218.248]:34000) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ardZm-0006yg-Vx for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Apr 2016 23:40:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1460864439; bh=1bBkoAv2H8z9Yf45SEcILngI+AByk/d9uVyAd0HvtH0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=NVgXRbszHX7EMXNYuT33a2/kKyOgjLwzkUltH6PKZyyNRy4yrKMX4grkxnCkauGW7tTEhXH4vNBSOSvdpLwSY0hWg0Os5DjTc4tAJ13Jxhe6AQuUYno1Vse+74bVwidt1WGm9DjxaKARO33QEF2Zn1dqoyUpAge5rVglwjVrlouJZyIiov9ilgKBthON3Go1rm5lJ0qqPEmGhUGlaUpg2xWLulheF9bkduImyHeVN4xxkl3bYzCePNxuSBRcB2BCabxD9H72SFaeQ7hLVVZCK4wvkQCF/jYeQgyjRiLVQwYOiqxhbEIqURKAS8QPiEphOrPMmg+2EhZd2pGBRKU06w== Received: from [98.137.12.190] by nm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2016 03:40:39 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.213] by tm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2016 03:40:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp224.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2016 03:40:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 871829.24876.bm@smtp224.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: TQym.kcVM1mWNYFSWle4_VFFrEyxTfWGAqbzL5waenqjFIR oW6sYTA1fjUcN2CHIwE2qe0lTKx3jSkdIiTrmbwpfaLRneIz..0xNbQONqfL dpGKE4VrAfv5zD36n2doDq3RKmPariwRG4MQV_E8ZUjon3CFtlaFtNZYrW0d pZZ3.90HdweJW1Bcb7S5a49_mptv6WgnCnSuQe.QuBi2APcU4UzOkMXz6Yvg O_F4VdaDpQM9U4AsoiXrJ6_HIIcHpvOqSZLIw.JOZSkac6A2q5qo1ehBqnRT J6XTHC7XwMjuNIQlquqZ.Z0pFSZbwodcCoUzQn6ugVpAz5SrpS0cbaSgYTAN YNsW1pOUy7bmduny9F0YE8qhvQBE72j8_l5lXy6rVwth.H2riXqbUEoTda8f HbobVoQjgav7B59cj3hIKp6.MxUBeyvhtAgOM_wwKlXbHIDYHkQ_w7WFEJNd McqnYiZ5qFpTXRue.tY7gkjfqHC6kZra4JBsoQ7cbUo4UqWbsi4m9dkClf53 fHIspBj1lwoUciQjgKE5Y8NK6oMBzftsXDEVHl5LXYrxn6JgHoYc- X-Yahoo-SMTP: oLSY3dWswBBqoBVzCkLl_RIsw6heKMxu8wpEbARv1SU- Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 20:40:36 -0700 From: Ilya Zakharevich To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#23251: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard Message-ID: <20160417034036.GA13755@math.berkeley.edu> References: <83a8l2ivxn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zit2gpd7.fsf@gnu.org> <20160410192754.GA11548@math.berkeley.edu> <20160410194605.GA11948@math.berkeley.edu> <20160414053713.GA29979@math.berkeley.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20160414053713.GA29979@math.berkeley.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23251 Cc: 23251@debbugs.gnu.org, Josko X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Just in case somebody may try to use this table: On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 10:37:13PM -0700, Ilya Zakharevich wrote: > Also, on Czech-QUERTY, the following characters allow AltGr access > (“A-” below) at the “US layout locations”; together with > Czech-layout-specific keypresses, this creates duplication as (AFAIK): > > Primary: US-! US-` A-US-_ A-US-: US-< US-- A-US-- > Secondary: A-US-+ A-US-; US-? US-> A-US-? A-US-= US-/ > Produce: + ; _ : ? = - I got this table (what is primary/secondary) by inspecting the output of MSKLC. Turned out one cannot trust this output: MSKLC reports not the current table in the layout, but what it thinks is a “reasonable representation” (reordering keys, which is WRONG!). Doing experiments with the buggy Emacs (and with a fixed one ;-) I see that the actual table is much more reasonable (with one apparent bug  — see `=´ — uncovered ;-): Primary: US-! US-` US-? US-> US-< A-US-= US-/ Secondary: A-US-+ A-US-; A-US-_ A-US-: A-US-? US-- A-US-- Produce: + ; _ : ? = - Yours, Ilya From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 16 23:47:17 2016 Received: (at 23251) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2016 03:47:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37717 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ardg5-00078V-G6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Apr 2016 23:47:17 -0400 Received: from nm20-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.136.217.32]:40531) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ardg3-00078H-7k for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Apr 2016 23:47:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1460864829; bh=ROHRa039s8oyiHxDfi3lDzjp9gVYp+Eu4gp52tTY9z8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=UM8uSGAyYRtt8/QZ8dSa37LxuuPp797GUtdYCr+fgfrVKxC+gfEZDZ3aUrcm5mt3o4Sca685+AopIJVgAx4zJx/KOqI6LYyYL9w2lSc4tWia2rvEGyIe3JhAsFyOIZu6zs0Pp0u1T6PqMQnlEa9V9rx0HoATRWxi5UTeTtYV6ArwvV8816Bac4xEQggfWxh0pTu5Udy2ioKFqaOkXASTilkNM8ncufIp3y93DpcN1IBKi1tzbWyWyUGArujqndfuvU9UdedwD4MUmWQf/QErtULM3xe3tmL2myQhUSOPwat6lGwqrZ+zE4kC+CWYVeGA6JHe/SzBRlk87urtEft5Fw== Received: from [98.137.12.190] by nm20.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2016 03:47:09 -0000 Received: from [98.136.164.68] by tm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2016 03:47:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp230.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2016 03:47:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 525237.58065.bm@smtp230.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ZYrM3m4VM1nGV.yXWOIxZVFaCxdq4uS8iVkVLNj8ncHY.7L 8iK0qYlhEBSkN7XsG8S.EU3Vr9FvqzIN_ZbaM21vYADv8u.DwgtoWKc1Xvqo 0dEw4BmCwRat1A_3yWikOIyNUM7mpaYdWTiDrhFQY9QbyIqMzL86sEfO1Ofs qsj8Sn8d2N7LDC0FuGZDZPbi2J9RgYlJsq5OAJn8ZiZYhz.CuEahwX581nP2 Y5aeVv.Yt_.bz8H8VSb_4HBtyUXaa2l_DyvowOmMpePkTzB.TyeG_CRPXtPE A4pFwZQF7yEac150aE7C8DqErVjJE4B_IZqMYfTzbAgisKe_hmeWKuaLeiVy v8auSulh63rAcS4f70JtII9H2.RVHMvompNbWo20ov8JpeThJNWkiMxUXiPX SZ4maL9rHFDj44t6S.VVm7vzN2mgmJpZ6kawQ9w.GlMmFs9n6WkvYWvIXYA1 99AH7.rr9Z8pNCCu3r_luc373eiA3c.Vmk3FutwVjBVD9pXyBgBaUT6eJIV2 ENToucc8JfuCt5ow- X-Yahoo-SMTP: oLSY3dWswBBqoBVzCkLl_RIsw6heKMxu8wpEbARv1SU- Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 20:47:05 -0700 From: Ilya Zakharevich To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#23251: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard Message-ID: <20160417034705.GA13745@math.berkeley.edu> References: <83a8l2ivxn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zit2gpd7.fsf@gnu.org> <20160410192754.GA11548@math.berkeley.edu> <20160410194605.GA11948@math.berkeley.edu> <20160414053713.GA29979@math.berkeley.edu> <83wpo0dxmv.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <83wpo0dxmv.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23251 Cc: 23251@debbugs.gnu.org, jjezina@hotmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 06:21:28PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Is it possible to devise a simple work-around that would depend on > some optional variable? The work-around doesn't need to handle all > usage scenarios, just allow using a particular keyboard layout with > reasonable results (e.g., it could break usage of some other layouts). > > If such work-around is possible, I think we should consider it for > the upcoming Emacs 25.1 as a temporary stopgap. I much prefer a simple heuristic which (hopefully) breaks orders of magnitude less things than what it fixes. Hopefully, this 2-LOC edit must be such! It affects ONLY the discussed case (“secondary” keys), and (if the heuristic triggers) changes it by ONLY falling back to pre-my-patch behaviour. I put a lot of comments explaining what happens, and REALLY hope that the cases where this patch HURTS would NEVER arise… Hope this helps, Ilya --- w32fns.c-pre-secondary 2015-08-16 18:53:58.569735600 -0700 +++ w32fns.c 2016-04-16 19:30:38.026157600 -0700 @@ -3149,6 +3149,42 @@ deliver_wm_chars (int do_translate, HWND wParam)); if ((r & 0xFF) == wParam) bitmap = r>>8; /* *b is reachable via simple interface */ + else + { + /* VkKeyScanW() (essentially) returns the FIRST key with + the specified character; so here the pressed key is the + SECONDARY key producing the character. + + Essentially, we have no information about the "role" of + modifiers on this key: which contribute into the + produced character (so "are consumed"), and which are + "extra" (must attache to bindable events). + + The default above would consume ALL modifiers, so the + character is reported "as is". However, on many layouts + the ordering of the keys (in the layout table) is not + thought out well, so the "secondary" keys are often those + which the users would prefer to use with Alt-CHAR. + (Moreover - with e.g. Czech-QWERTY - the ASCII + punctuation is accessible from two equally [nu]preferable + AltGr-keys.) + + SO: Heuristic: if the reported char is ASCII, AND Meta + modifier is a candidate, behave as if Meta is present + (fallback to the legacy branch; bug#23251). + + (This would break layouts + - delivering ASCII characters + - on SECONDARY keys + - with not Shift/AltGr-like modifier combinations. + All 3 conditions together must be pretty exotic + cases - and a workaround exists: use "primary" keys!) */ + if (*b < 0x80 + && (wmsg.dwModifiers + & (alt_modifier | meta_modifier + | super_modifier | hyper_modifier))) + return 0; + } if (*type_CtrlAlt == 'a') /* Simple Alt seen */ { if ((bitmap & ~1) == 0) /* 1: KBDSHIFT */ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 16 23:56:44 2016 Received: (at 23251) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2016 03:56:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37724 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ardpE-0007Kt-Dz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Apr 2016 23:56:44 -0400 Received: from nm18-vm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.136.217.217]:36211) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ardpC-0007Kf-00 for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Apr 2016 23:56:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1460865395; bh=+6tLKSuOrq7zYomQ23P+URS2nKwkNj1jto97n6WLbnU=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=logBzsM/XipfoxCFz94FohmcWeWzQabjSxk8kvG52+jDu85qadrtAvGVxoI2OULlpVMHN+M1RzFMklwTisF91hOPbZ3EH/mU8+XbYOhhbij2yypStqXWmmTiCuFUzqQlVK/04gbOymv7NaYpRtKRY8lw+ZeMSBiyKuJlItfY1l8laGK+Y2xyC6yWwwADHU5hjvdaSVBxGzg4pT1pSqS0u8NbsWpF6TmS84XtR0i53Wd1gtnXZjKeyv4J80QlYcw9YW3dMv7k7vOO2yrC1dkMaBUOxOcO1YYGQkrZOaEPzbxxnWGnZa2/ZCYcJUPcvbxALlF08m93H/gPg06BZOvXRw== Received: from [98.137.12.62] by nm18.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2016 03:56:35 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.198] by tm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2016 03:56:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2016 03:56:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 177352.68612.bm@smtp209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: UC6SuWEVM1ndmH7aWHnQkCVUDISNevaDUANQp7Setb0woku M5O453q9z1XuOs055JWWBKTVJdLwITx0MZSG.8nQH55FUT3XCklEJOknJyOo KqxEXTox480ujxwXybDUYxtSq99FF8NWWVOyKmQ_tIlYG6rMlaNoLNf9X3MU Cz8Iz.rnr4R42Y0tUzbxDFZS68uFTyOt0mxbJdshUiCv__hLpds_mEJbfKP_ TwVJlBu8LFi_5A7QAmw.YFzKlwycD1x3ML.3cO..O9zD5994rAbjdvAReMgm E73XPAtBCosYz68saYeypk7KbdBzF9J6xKv95tYSwhe9yJTl0Z2zKn9cOm4F o9UgGhYnphdRiK4NHiLH5afCnCj0dIrtJg_f9tlUzlDPhRHN1vuZEKN0pfKl oCC8mVq4dJ1r4mtDGCJZ2CGL_Bgd1IPz.Htffzg3.HBdkEaE5Bw3j5Mq_xwx 1q_Z16nY7xANvmcs2QSFpEuJ_PKR738BIsDsNzZq3O7U9LbNg537qj4GX0O1 3ic4tgw.oqRWTeMcnHY7bHQb3VcH9sAOW66dZpk7wYvzWiOPmvWE- X-Yahoo-SMTP: oLSY3dWswBBqoBVzCkLl_RIsw6heKMxu8wpEbARv1SU- Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 20:56:32 -0700 From: Ilya Zakharevich To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#23251: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard Message-ID: <20160417035632.GA14083@math.berkeley.edu> References: <83a8l2ivxn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zit2gpd7.fsf@gnu.org> <20160410192754.GA11548@math.berkeley.edu> <20160410194605.GA11948@math.berkeley.edu> <20160414053713.GA29979@math.berkeley.edu> <83wpo0dxmv.fsf@gnu.org> <20160417034705.GA13745@math.berkeley.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20160417034705.GA13745@math.berkeley.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23251 Cc: 23251@debbugs.gnu.org, jjezina@hotmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 08:47:05PM -0700, Ilya Zakharevich wrote: > It affects ONLY the discussed case (“secondary” keys), and (if the > heuristic triggers) changes it by ONLY falling back to pre-my-patch > behaviour. I put a lot of comments explaining what happens, and > REALLY hope that the cases where this patch HURTS would NEVER arise… Forgot to say: I checked only the Slovak and Czech-QUERTY layouts (the only layouts I know where the bug was triggered without ISO keys). Every misbehaviour I noticed with the old version is fixed by this patch. (This includes both cases: Alt-key and Alt-AltGr-key “losing” Alt-modifier.) Yours, Ilya From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 17 10:49:15 2016 Received: (at 23251) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2016 14:49:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38561 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aro0h-0007xX-Ks for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:49:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57901) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aro0g-0007xK-Am for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:49:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aro0Y-0004Lo-1O for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:49:09 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49992) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aro0X-0004Lk-Uv; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:49:05 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4606 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aro0X-0005RD-6I; Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:49:05 -0400 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:48:49 +0300 Message-Id: <834mb0b8a6.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ilya Zakharevich In-reply-to: <20160417034705.GA13745@math.berkeley.edu> (message from Ilya Zakharevich on Sat, 16 Apr 2016 20:47:05 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#23251: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard References: <83a8l2ivxn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zit2gpd7.fsf@gnu.org> <20160410192754.GA11548@math.berkeley.edu> <20160410194605.GA11948@math.berkeley.edu> <20160414053713.GA29979@math.berkeley.edu> <83wpo0dxmv.fsf@gnu.org> <20160417034705.GA13745@math.berkeley.edu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23251 Cc: 23251@debbugs.gnu.org, jjezina@hotmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 20:47:05 -0700 > From: Ilya Zakharevich > Cc: jjezina@hotmail.com, 23251@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 06:21:28PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Is it possible to devise a simple work-around that would depend on > > some optional variable? The work-around doesn't need to handle all > > usage scenarios, just allow using a particular keyboard layout with > > reasonable results (e.g., it could break usage of some other layouts). > > > > If such work-around is possible, I think we should consider it for > > the upcoming Emacs 25.1 as a temporary stopgap. > > I much prefer a simple heuristic which (hopefully) breaks orders of > magnitude less things than what it fixes. That's even better, of course. > Hopefully, this 2-LOC edit must be such! Thanks. Josko, can you see if the patch fixes your problems? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 21 12:10:47 2016 Received: (at 23251) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2016 16:10:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42526 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1atHBn-0007WH-BC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:10:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38903) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1atHBm-0007W5-4D for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:10:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1atHBc-00019j-Im for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:10:40 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40277) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1atHBc-00019d-Cu; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:10:36 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4958 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1atHBb-0000PU-Jn; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:10:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 19:10:30 +0300 Message-Id: <83vb3b54eh.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ilya Zakharevich In-reply-to: <20160417034705.GA13745@math.berkeley.edu> (message from Ilya Zakharevich on Sat, 16 Apr 2016 20:47:05 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#23251: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard References: <83a8l2ivxn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zit2gpd7.fsf@gnu.org> <20160410192754.GA11548@math.berkeley.edu> <20160410194605.GA11948@math.berkeley.edu> <20160414053713.GA29979@math.berkeley.edu> <83wpo0dxmv.fsf@gnu.org> <20160417034705.GA13745@math.berkeley.edu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23251 Cc: 23251@debbugs.gnu.org, jjezina@hotmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 20:47:05 -0700 > From: Ilya Zakharevich > Cc: jjezina@hotmail.com, 23251@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 06:21:28PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Is it possible to devise a simple work-around that would depend on > > some optional variable? The work-around doesn't need to handle all > > usage scenarios, just allow using a particular keyboard layout with > > reasonable results (e.g., it could break usage of some other layouts). > > > > If such work-around is possible, I think we should consider it for > > the upcoming Emacs 25.1 as a temporary stopgap. > > I much prefer a simple heuristic which (hopefully) breaks orders of > magnitude less things than what it fixes. Hopefully, this 2-LOC edit > must be such! Thanks, pushed to the emacs-25 branch. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 21 12:12:21 2016 Received: (at 23251) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2016 16:12:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42530 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1atHDJ-0007Yl-Mf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:12:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39361) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1atHDI-0007YZ-B0 for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:12:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1atHD9-0001Vv-AT for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:12:15 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40334) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1atHD9-0001Vi-7A; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:12:11 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4960 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1atHD8-0000aG-Hc; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:12:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 19:12:06 +0300 Message-Id: <83twiv54bt.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Josko In-reply-to: (message from Josko on Tue, 19 Apr 2016 22:46:31 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#23251: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard References: <83a8l2ivxn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zit2gpd7.fsf@gnu.org> <20160410192754.GA11548@math.berkeley.edu> <20160410194605.GA11948@math.berkeley.edu> <20160414053713.GA29979@math.berkeley.edu> <83wpo0dxmv.fsf@gnu.org> <20160417034705.GA13745@math.berkeley.edu>, <834mb0b8a6.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23251 Cc: 23251@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Josko > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 22:46:31 +0000 > > Hi, > Thank you and Ilya for making the patch. > > I asked Dani to compile a new binary (emacs-bin at sourceforge) but this was his answer: > "But the patch has not been applied to the repository (emacs-25 branch) yet. > My binary releases are made from unmodified versions of the published source code." > > Will that be soon? Done. Please test the next snapshot of emacs-25. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 23 11:57:00 2016 Received: (at 23251) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Apr 2016 15:57:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44190 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1atzvY-0006xg-7h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 11:57:00 -0400 Received: from bay004-omc2s2.hotmail.com ([65.54.190.77]:54744) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1atzvW-0006xT-Vm for 23251@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 11:56:59 -0400 Received: from NAM02-CY1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([65.54.190.125]) by BAY004-OMC2S2.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Sat, 23 Apr 2016 08:56:53 -0700 Received: from CY1NAM02FT055.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.74.57) by CY1NAM02HT157.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.75.61) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.472.8; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:56:51 +0000 Received: from SN1PR10MB0655.namprd10.prod.outlook.com (10.152.74.57) by CY1NAM02FT055.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.74.80) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.472.8 via Frontend Transport; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:56:51 +0000 Received: from SN1PR10MB0655.namprd10.prod.outlook.com ([10.163.135.139]) by SN1PR10MB0655.namprd10.prod.outlook.com ([10.163.135.139]) with mapi id 15.01.0466.024; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:56:51 +0000 From: Josko To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#23251: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard Thread-Topic: bug#23251: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard Thread-Index: AQHRknJbOWW+8xsj70qlgrCHEhUqwJ+B1nKXgAA2tPWAAHJZJoABGcQAgAAFFYCABVwngIAAo3ahgAP0w4CAALkGeIADqAEVgAK4qCOAAx8qHw== Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:56:51 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83a8l2ivxn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zit2gpd7.fsf@gnu.org> <20160410192754.GA11548@math.berkeley.edu> <20160410194605.GA11948@math.berkeley.edu> <20160414053713.GA29979@math.berkeley.edu> <83wpo0dxmv.fsf@gnu.org> <20160417034705.GA13745@math.berkeley.edu>,<834mb0b8a6.fsf@gnu.org> , <83twiv54bt.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83twiv54bt.fsf@gnu.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 25.152.74.57) smtp.mailfrom=hotmail.com; debbugs.gnu.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;debbugs.gnu.org; dmarc=fail action=none header.from=hotmail.com; received-spf: SoftFail (protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning hotmail.com discourages use of 25.152.74.57 as permitted sender) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [Y2DzCSXKW+EwX5VeLhiy83Y74NJujWCn] x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:25.152.74.57; IPV:NLI; CTRY:GB; EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(98900003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:CY1NAM02HT157; H:SN1PR10MB0655.namprd10.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:SoftFail; MLV:ovrnspm; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 18ba28e5-9ff5-4448-fe12-08d36b8fe2bc x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(5061506196)(5061507196); SRVR:CY1NAM02HT157; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(432015012)(82015046); SRVR:CY1NAM02HT157; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:CY1NAM02HT157; x-forefront-prvs: 0921D55E4F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hotmail.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 23 Apr 2016 15:56:51.6966 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY1NAM02HT157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2016 15:56:53.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1168550:01D19D78] X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23251 Cc: "23251@debbugs.gnu.org" <23251@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Thanks. I confirm that all keys work fine now. I've tested it with more than 20 keyboard layouts (both East and West Europ= ean), and all work OK. ________________________________________ From: Eli Zaretskii Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 4:12 PM To: Josko Cc: 23251@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#23251: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keybo= ard > From: Josko > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 22:46:31 +0000 > > Hi, > Thank you and Ilya for making the patch. > > I asked Dani to compile a new binary (emacs-bin at sourceforge) but this = was his answer: > "But the patch has not been applied to the repository (emacs-25 branch) y= et. > My binary releases are made from unmodified versions of the published so= urce code." > > Will that be soon? Done. Please test the next snapshot of emacs-25. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 23 13:57:05 2016 Received: (at 23251-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Apr 2016 17:57:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44268 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1au1nl-0001Nc-LY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 13:57:05 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55541) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1au1nj-0001N6-RT for 23251-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 13:57:04 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1au1ne-0004zZ-4N for 23251-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 13:56:58 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47317) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1au1nY-0004yo-SK; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 13:56:52 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3433 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1au1nX-0001TG-TG; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 13:56:52 -0400 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 20:56:27 +0300 Message-Id: <83vb3843as.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Josko In-reply-to: (message from Josko on Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:56:51 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#23251: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard References: <83a8l2ivxn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zit2gpd7.fsf@gnu.org> <20160410192754.GA11548@math.berkeley.edu> <20160410194605.GA11948@math.berkeley.edu> <20160414053713.GA29979@math.berkeley.edu> <83wpo0dxmv.fsf@gnu.org> <20160417034705.GA13745@math.berkeley.edu>,<834mb0b8a6.fsf@gnu.org> , <83twiv54bt.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23251-done Cc: 23251-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Ilya Zakharevich X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) > From: Josko > CC: "23251@debbugs.gnu.org" <23251@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:56:51 +0000 > > Thanks. > > I confirm that all keys work fine now. > I've tested it with more than 20 keyboard layouts (both East and West European), > and all work OK. Thanks for testing, I'm therefore closing the bug. 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[208.82.103.192]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q198sm7499753iod.6.2016.04.23.14.34.47 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:34:47 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Received: by Hermes.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 2701651194E9; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:34:47 -0700 (PDT) To: Josko Subject: Re: bug#23251: 25.0.92; M-< and M-> don't work with Croatian keyboard In-Reply-To: (Josko's message of "Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:56:51 +0000") Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:34:41 -0700 Message-ID: References: <83a8l2ivxn.fsf@gnu.org> <83zit2gpd7.fsf@gnu.org> <20160410192754.GA11548@math.berkeley.edu> <20160410194605.GA11948@math.berkeley.edu> <20160414053713.GA29979@math.berkeley.edu> <83wpo0dxmv.fsf@gnu.org> <20160417034705.GA13745@math.berkeley.edu> <834mb0b8a6.fsf@gnu.org> <83twiv54bt.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.92 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23251 Cc: "23251@debbugs.gnu.org" <23251@debbugs.gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> Josko writes: > I confirm that all keys work fine now. > I've tested it with more than 20 keyboard layouts (both East and West Eur= opean), > and all work OK. Thank you for being thorough! 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