From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 07 11:04:45 2016 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Apr 2016 15:04:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53034 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoBUD-0001Vc-Gk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:04:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48202) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoBUB-0001VO-8C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:04:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoBU0-00049c-Fm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:04:38 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,XPRIO autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:58108) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoBU0-00049Y-Cy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:04:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39134) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoBTu-0007v2-Rs for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:04:32 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoBTq-00047B-NG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:04:26 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:21117) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoBTq-000474-FU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:04:22 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u37F4K0V016288 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 15:04:21 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u37F4KKv029487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 15:04:20 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u37F4Jhw026431 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 15:04:20 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <24ddcbf0-337e-401f-a539-4d957030236b@default> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 08:04:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.0.90; Document command remapping in Emacs manual, not just Elisp manual X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Search the Emacs manual for "remap". You will find nothing about command remapping. (global-set-key [remap foo] 'bar) is something that _users_ do. Likewise (define-key some-map [remap foo] 'bar). This is not something that is only for Elisp code. In GNU Emacs 25.0.90.4 (i686-w64-mingw32) of 2016-03-20 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --host=3Di686-w64-mingw32 --without-dbus --without-compress-install CFLAGS=3D-static' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 07 11:30:51 2016 Received: (at 23236) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Apr 2016 15:30:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53066 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoBtT-00029y-KY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:30:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57954) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoBtQ-00029l-LH for 23236@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:30:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoBtH-0003xc-K5 for 23236@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:30:43 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37012) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoBtH-0003xY-F9; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:30:39 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2936 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aoBtG-0000Rn-R0; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:30:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 18:30:22 +0300 Message-Id: <83h9fdl9m9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <24ddcbf0-337e-401f-a539-4d957030236b@default> (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 7 Apr 2016 08:04:19 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#23236: 25.0.90; Document command remapping in Emacs manual, not just Elisp manual References: <24ddcbf0-337e-401f-a539-4d957030236b@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23236 Cc: 23236@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 08:04:19 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > Search the Emacs manual for "remap". You will find nothing about > command remapping. Because it's not a user-level feature. > (global-set-key [remap foo] 'bar) is something that _users_ do. > Likewise (define-key some-map [remap foo] 'bar). It doesn't matter who does it. What matters is that these are Lisp expressions, and those are usually documented in the ELisp manuals. global-set-key is only documented in the user manual as a command, not as a function. We only show a few examples of using it as a function. > This is not something that is only for Elisp code. I think it is. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 07 11:58:33 2016 Received: (at 23236) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Apr 2016 15:58:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53088 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoCKH-0002mg-6V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:58:33 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:44751) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoCKF-0002mT-Hm for 23236@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:58:31 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u37FwPfw031462 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Apr 2016 15:58:25 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u37FwPHB017576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Apr 2016 15:58:25 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u37FwPMb019154; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 15:58:25 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 08:58:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#23236: 25.0.90; Document command remapping in Emacs manual, not just Elisp manual References: <<24ddcbf0-337e-401f-a539-4d957030236b@default>> <<83h9fdl9m9.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83h9fdl9m9.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23236 Cc: 23236@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > Search the Emacs manual for "remap". You will find nothing about > > command remapping. >=20 > Because it's not a user-level feature. I disagree. Why do you say it is not? Are users not supposed to remap commands? If they are, then what could you possibly mean by saying that doing so is not "user-level"? Until Emacs provides an easy Customize interface for customizing key bindings, users will use `define-key' and `global-set-key' to customize key bindings. They always have, and they still must. > > (global-set-key [remap foo] 'bar) is something that _users_ do. > > Likewise (define-key some-map [remap foo] 'bar). >=20 > It doesn't matter who does it. What matters is that these are Lisp > expressions, and those are usually documented in the ELisp manuals. I have no problem with them being documented in the Elisp manual. This bug does not request that they be removed from the Elisp manual. I think they - at least their existence - should also be documented in the Emacs manual. It may be enough to point users (from the Emacs manual) to the Elisp manual. But certainly users reading the Emacs manual should be able to find the answers to questions about _how to customize_ key bindings. And that includes command remapping. Binding keys is an extremely common end-user task. (Yes, it is. It is 100% "user-level", in addition to being something that is done in non-user files.) Not pointing end users, in the Emacs manual, to the information about _how they do this_ is a cop-out, I think. They will find that pointer only by googling etc. The Emacs manual should be their friend in this regard, by pointing them to the info they need to get the job done, whether or not the details of that info might be in the Elisp manual. If users need to use Lisp to customize key bindings, then so be it. And if they therefore need to read some of the Elisp manual, to learn how to do that, so be it. But the _fact_ that they _can_ do it, and the _fact_ that info about _how_ to do it is in the Elisp manual, should be in the Emacs manual. At a minimum. * You can bind keys to commands of your choosing. See (elisp) XXXX. * You can remap a command A to another command B's key bindings, so that using any of those keys invokes command A instead of command B. See (elisp) YYYY. > global-set-key is only documented in the user manual as a command, not > as a function. We only show a few examples of using it as a function. >=20 > > This is not something that is only for Elisp code. >=20 > I think it is. It is not something that is only for Lisp libraries. Is that clearer for you? It is something that is in thousands of end-user init files, including users who otherwise know little or nothing about Lisp. If you really think that using `define-key' and `global-set-key' in an end-user init file is inappropriate then please provide a Customize replacement for `define-key' and `global-set-key' immediately, and then update the Emacs manual to tell users how to customize key bindings using Customize. Until then, users have only `define-key' and `global-set-key' for key customization. The Emacs manual should help them in this regard. It should not be silent on command remapping. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 07 12:50:15 2016 Received: (at 23236) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Apr 2016 16:50:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53132 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoD8J-0003zn-Op for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:50:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54307) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoD8I-0003zc-CS for 23236@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:50:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoD89-0001R9-VC for 23236@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:50:09 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:38565) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aoD89-0001R4-Rv; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:50:05 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2989 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aoD89-0006ag-4u; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:50:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 19:49:48 +0300 Message-Id: <83fuuxl5xv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 7 Apr 2016 08:58:24 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#23236: 25.0.90; Document command remapping in Emacs manual, not just Elisp manual References: <<24ddcbf0-337e-401f-a539-4d957030236b@default>> <<83h9fdl9m9.fsf@gnu.org>> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23236 Cc: 23236@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 08:58:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 23236@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Search the Emacs manual for "remap". You will find nothing about > > > command remapping. > > > > Because it's not a user-level feature. > > I disagree. Why do you say it is not? Are users not supposed to > remap commands? Users that code in Lisp are. Users that don't aren't. > If they are, then what could you possibly mean > by saying that doing so is not "user-level"? It's not for users who don't write Lisp code. > Binding keys is an extremely common end-user task. (Yes, it is. > It is 100% "user-level", in addition to being something that is > done in non-user files.) And it is virtually impossible without writing Lisp. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 07 13:45:12 2016 Received: (at 23236) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Apr 2016 17:45:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53160 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoDzU-0005Fg-Bm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 13:45:12 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:44674) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aoDzS-0005FS-TA for 23236@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Apr 2016 13:45:11 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u37Hj3bM019455 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Apr 2016 17:45:03 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u37Hj3To012397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Apr 2016 17:45:03 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u37Hj09G017442; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 17:45:01 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:44:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#23236: 25.0.90; Document command remapping in Emacs manual, not just Elisp manual References: <<<24ddcbf0-337e-401f-a539-4d957030236b@default>>> <<<83h9fdl9m9.fsf@gnu.org>>> <> <<83fuuxl5xv.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83fuuxl5xv.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23236 Cc: 23236@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > > > Search the Emacs manual for "remap". You will find nothing about > > > > command remapping. > > > > > > Because it's not a user-level feature. > > > > I disagree. Why do you say it is not? Are users not supposed to > > remap commands? >=20 > Users that code in Lisp are. Users that don't aren't. >=20 > > If they are, then what could you possibly mean > > by saying that doing so is not "user-level"? >=20 > It's not for users who don't write Lisp code. >=20 > > Binding keys is an extremely common end-user task. (Yes, it is. > > It is 100% "user-level", in addition to being something that is > > done in non-user files.) >=20 > And it is virtually impossible without writing Lisp. You seem to be being quite dogmatic here. This bug is about users who customize keys. That includes maybe 99% of Emacs users, I'd guess. Maybe 90% if you're skeptical. And a good number of those are end users who do not otherwise use Emacs Lisp, or use it very little - maybe 50%? My guess is that the vast majority of Emacs users who know little or nothing about Emacs Lisp customize keys. It doesn't take a Lisp pro to learn to use `global-set-key' in your init file. And the proof of that, I'm guessing, is in the many, many, init files of users who barely know the first thing about Lisp. I see this daily in questions posed by end users. The point is that: 1. End users DO customize keys. They want to and need to, in general. There is nothing non-end userish about the users who customize Emacs keys. Perhaps the most common customization by non-Lisper Emacs end users is key customization. So yes, this is a tiny exception to their non-Lisperness. By force, because there is no alternative to using Lisp to customize keys. 2. As long as they do, which means as long as there is no alternative to Lisp for customizing keys, it would be silly for Emacs developers to adopt the ostrich-head-in-sand cop-out that customizing keys is not for end users, and so it should be documented only in the Elisp manual. And with mention of the FACT that they can customize keys and to the FACT that how to do this is documented in the Elisp manual - NO POINTER. That cop-out does not help anyone, IMO. IOW, point end users reading the _Emacs_ manual to the relevant parts of the Elisp manual that tell them how to customize keys. Please. Including for command remapping. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 30 19:10:17 2016 Received: (at 23236) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 23:10:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58820 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awe1h-0006Rs-Pl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 19:10:17 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:33405) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awe1f-0006Rk-Rh for 23236@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 19:10:16 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awe1d-000873-AF; Sun, 01 May 2016 01:10:15 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#23236: 25.0.90; Document command remapping in Emacs manual, not just Elisp manual References: <24ddcbf0-337e-401f-a539-4d957030236b@default> <83h9fdl9m9.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 01:10:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83h9fdl9m9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 07 Apr 2016 18:30:22 +0300") Message-ID: <87vb2y4rsa.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23236 Cc: 23236@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Search the Emacs manual for "remap". You will find nothing about >> command remapping. > > Because it's not a user-level feature. I agree. Closing. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 30 19:10:22 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 23:10:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58823 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awe1m-0006SB-1I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 19:10:22 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:33413) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awe1j-0006S0-Pj for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 19:10:20 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awe1h-00087A-Kr for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 01:10:19 +0200 Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 01:10:17 +0200 Message-Id: <87twii4rs6.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #23236 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) close 23236 From unknown Mon Jun 23 02:23:22 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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