From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 27 19:25:23 2016 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Mar 2016 23:25:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40511 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akK3f-0000Mr-0m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 19:25:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39454) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akK3d-0000Md-8c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 19:25:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akK3W-0008F1-Of for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 19:25:15 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,XPRIO autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:41529) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akK3W-0008Ex-Ln for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 19:25:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58652) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akK3V-0000th-Kd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 19:25:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akK3S-0008EM-Cz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 19:25:13 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:19205) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akK3S-0008ED-6r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 19:25:10 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u2RNP8Rt023253 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 23:25:09 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2RNP8OF008100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 23:25:08 GMT Received: from abhmp0013.oracle.com (abhmp0013.oracle.com [141.146.116.19]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2RNP87o024455 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 23:25:08 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:25:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.1.50; `C-h f' etc.: escaping in symbol names X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) (defun foo. () (message "FOOOOOO")) Put point somewhere on the name `foo.'. `C-h f' You see this message: Describe function (default foo.): ^^^^ Hit `RET'. You see this output in *Help*: foo\. is a Lisp function. (foo\.) Not sure what others might think of this. The name of the symbol is "foo.", not "foo\.". This is correctly reflected in the prompt. I'm thinking it should also be reflected in the first line of the *Help* output: "foo. is a Lisp function." Or better yet, to remove all ambiguity, even for characters such as SPC in the function name, enclose the name in `...': (defun bar\ () (message "BARRRR")) `C-h f' Describe function (default bar ): RET bar\ is a Lisp function. (bar\ ) Note that the first line here is not even correct - it should at least have another SPC char after the `\ '. The way it is written now, it suggests that the name is `bar\', i.e., that the symbol is bar\\. I think it would be better to show something like this: `foo.' is a Lisp function. (foo\.) `bar ' is a Lisp function. (bar\ ) And it would be better to use `...' also in the prompt: Describe function (default `foo.'): Describe function (default `bar '): The same thing holds for other help commands (`describe-variable', `describe-mode', `describe-face', etc.). The first line of help output gives the symbol's name. At least it should be enclosed in `...'. And perhaps when the name is indicated, as opposed to the symbol itself, such chars should not be escaped. In GNU Emacs 25.1.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-12-10 Repository revision: 6148555ee5a3d0139ae517803718b3e0357933c7 Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: 'configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/snapshot/trunk --enable-checking=3Dye= s --enable-check-lisp-object-type --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-Og -ggdb3' LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib 'CPPFLAGS=3D-DGC_MCHECK=3D1 -Ic:/Devel/emacs/include'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 28 02:57:19 2016 Received: (at 23130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Mar 2016 06:57:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40732 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akR71-0002lw-Az for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 02:57:19 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:35079) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akR6z-0002lo-LB for 23130@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 02:57:18 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3qYPq02lT0z3hjHK; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 08:57:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.68]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3qYPq01qlqzvdWQ; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 08:57:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.68]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GgVFGgOWMC4L; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 08:57:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: kFepn+AC844vD5iV0TVdaXy6QiUVJvA752HYg30ep3ukKs6p4CuYJeJYdIq6KJiK Received: from igel.home (ppp-88-217-16-153.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.16.153]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 08:57:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 015E72C3A79; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 08:57:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#23130: 25.1.50; `C-h f' etc.: escaping in symbol names References: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> X-Yow: This is my WILLIAM BENDIX memorial CORNER where I worship William Bendix like a GOD!! Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 08:57:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:25:07 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87vb47gkdx.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Drew Adams writes: > The name of the symbol is "foo.", not "foo\.". Both refer to the same symbol, as does "\foo.". > Or better yet, to remove all ambiguity, even for characters such as SPC > in the function name, enclose the name in `...': The name as printed is already unambigous. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 28 09:21:14 2016 Received: (at 23130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Mar 2016 13:21:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40964 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akX6X-0008Pd-S8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 09:21:14 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:47428) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akX6W-0008PO-90 for 23130@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 09:21:12 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u2SDL5Fa011958 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Mar 2016 13:21:06 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2SDL5ZV027090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Mar 2016 13:21:05 GMT Received: from abhmp0017.oracle.com (abhmp0017.oracle.com [141.146.116.23]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u2SDL4D1006025; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 13:21:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3e3ee3f1-41ba-4429-bfdc-c795c62844c0@default> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 06:21:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Andreas Schwab Subject: RE: bug#23130: 25.1.50; `C-h f' etc.: escaping in symbol names References: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> <87vb47gkdx.fsf@linux-m68k.org> In-Reply-To: <87vb47gkdx.fsf@linux-m68k.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > The name of the symbol is "foo.", not "foo\.". >=20 > Both refer to the same symbol, as does "\foo.". Not as `symbol-name' values, they don't. The point is to show the symbol _name_, and to do so in a way that is clear to anyone. > > Or better yet, to remove all ambiguity, even for characters > > such as SPC in the function name, enclose the name in `...': >=20 > The name as printed is already unambigous. "bar\ is a Lisp function." is not only unclear; it is incorrect. And if you want to be pedantic, and you think there is already no room for ambiguity, substitute "possible confusion". Emacs is not being as clear as it could be, and that is especially important for someone new to Emacs and Emacs Lisp. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 28 10:26:39 2016 Received: (at 23130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Mar 2016 14:26:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42144 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akY7q-0001mG-R4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 10:26:38 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:43019) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akY7o-0001m7-4m for 23130@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 10:26:36 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3qYbnR0Jc9z3hjQQ; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 16:26:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.68]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3qYbnQ5vKbzvPsf; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 16:26:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.68]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id itD3DUp4Lv4E; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 16:26:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: PoHezFrA8l/vv8uoe/DHjACNAa2UYNT+0Vb+JhgsxhglQPqW+lAccoCMJlFXCzwW Received: from igel.home (ppp-88-217-16-153.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.16.153]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 16:26:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9AAA32C38EB; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 16:26:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#23130: 25.1.50; `C-h f' etc.: escaping in symbol names References: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> <87vb47gkdx.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <3e3ee3f1-41ba-4429-bfdc-c795c62844c0@default> X-Yow: "THE LITTLE PINK FLESH SISTERS," I saw them at th' FLUORESCENT BULB MAKERS CONVENTION... Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 16:26:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: <3e3ee3f1-41ba-4429-bfdc-c795c62844c0@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 28 Mar 2016 06:21:02 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87h9fqhe5l.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Drew Adams writes: >> > The name of the symbol is "foo.", not "foo\.". >> >> Both refer to the same symbol, as does "\foo.". > > Not as `symbol-name' values, they don't. It's showing a symbol, not the result of calling symbol-name on it. > The point is to show the symbol _name_, and to do so in a > way that is clear to anyone. The point is to show a symbol, unambigously. >> > Or better yet, to remove all ambiguity, even for characters >> > such as SPC in the function name, enclose the name in `...': >> >> The name as printed is already unambigous. > > "bar\ is a Lisp function." is not only unclear; it is incorrect. Of course it's incorrect, but describe-function will never generate that. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 28 10:48:48 2016 Received: (at 23130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Mar 2016 14:48:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42152 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akYTH-0002HQ-Ub for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 10:48:48 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:29240) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akYTG-0002HC-2J for 23130@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 10:48:46 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u2SEmd7S010752 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Mar 2016 14:48:40 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2SEmd0c032302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Mar 2016 14:48:39 GMT Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2SEmd6q014106; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 14:48:39 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 07:48:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Andreas Schwab Subject: RE: bug#23130: 25.1.50; `C-h f' etc.: escaping in symbol names References: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> <87vb47gkdx.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <3e3ee3f1-41ba-4429-bfdc-c795c62844c0@default> <87h9fqhe5l.fsf@linux-m68k.org> In-Reply-To: <87h9fqhe5l.fsf@linux-m68k.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > >> > The name of the symbol is "foo.", not "foo\.". > >> > >> Both refer to the same symbol, as does "\foo.". > > > > Not as `symbol-name' values, they don't. >=20 > It's showing a symbol, not the result of calling symbol-name on it. Yes, we know. > > The point is to show the symbol _name_, and to do so in a > > way that is clear to anyone. >=20 > The point is to show a symbol, unambigously. The point of this bug report is that the symbol's name should be shown clearly. The symbol is already printed using prin1 in the signature: (foo\.) Show it as Lisp when showing Lisp. Show it as a symbol name, as is the Emacs convention, in help text. And in that case, show it enclosed in `...'. > >> > Or better yet, to remove all ambiguity, even for characters > >> > such as SPC in the function name, enclose the name in `...': > >> > >> The name as printed is already unambigous. > > > > "bar\ is a Lisp function." is not only unclear; it is incorrect. >=20 > Of course it's incorrect, but describe-function will never generate > that. Why don't you read the bug report and try the recipe for yourself, starting with `emacs -Q'? That's exactly what `describe-funcction' "generates": (defun bar\ () (message "BARRRR")) `C-h f RET' with point on "bar\ ": bar\ is a Lisp function. (bar\ ) Not documented. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 28 11:19:56 2016 Received: (at 23130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Mar 2016 15:19:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42189 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akYxQ-00031R-90 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 11:19:56 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:45469) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akYxO-00031I-DU for 23130@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 11:19:54 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3qYcyx2Sw3z3hhx9; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 17:19:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.68]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3qYcyx0QwVzvhMG; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 17:19:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.68]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vzBcw_lTTQFe; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 17:19:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: zRFUg2DRmoCTlFQekERRdz0Tao0iaVttYcklAJFfolA10E1hftowosYGtL2sS3Y+ Received: from igel.home (ppp-88-217-16-153.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.16.153]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 17:19:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AF6E12C3916; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 17:19:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#23130: 25.1.50; `C-h f' etc.: escaping in symbol names References: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> <87vb47gkdx.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <3e3ee3f1-41ba-4429-bfdc-c795c62844c0@default> <87h9fqhe5l.fsf@linux-m68k.org> X-Yow: Yow! Am I in Milwaukee? Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 17:19:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 28 Mar 2016 07:48:38 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87zitifx48.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Drew Adams writes: > Show it as Lisp when showing Lisp. Show it as a symbol name, as > is the Emacs convention, in help text. And in that case, show it > enclosed in `...'. How will that help in case of weird names? Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 28 11:24:06 2016 Received: (at 23130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Mar 2016 15:24:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42198 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akZ1S-00038X-1e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 11:24:06 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:19262) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akZ1P-000383-Jr for 23130@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 11:24:04 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u2SFNucA028809 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Mar 2016 15:23:57 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2SFNuPJ019414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Mar 2016 15:23:56 GMT Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2SFNsZS026387; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 15:23:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7a116182-3de6-4acc-8844-c2e100188fa1@default> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 08:23:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Andreas Schwab Subject: RE: bug#23130: 25.1.50; `C-h f' etc.: escaping in symbol names References: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> <87vb47gkdx.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <3e3ee3f1-41ba-4429-bfdc-c795c62844c0@default> <87h9fqhe5l.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <87zitifx48.fsf@linux-m68k.org> In-Reply-To: <87zitifx48.fsf@linux-m68k.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > Show it as Lisp when showing Lisp. Show it as a symbol name, as > > is the Emacs convention, in help text. And in that case, show it > > enclosed in `...'. >=20 > How will that help in case of weird names? You can figure it out, I'm sure... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 28 12:11:23 2016 Received: (at 23130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Mar 2016 16:11:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42227 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akZlD-0004Nm-F5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 12:11:23 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:55037) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akZlC-0004Na-A6 for 23130@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 12:11:22 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3qYf6K1l6fz3hkHJ; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 18:11:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.68]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3qYf6J6wMjzvhNn; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 18:11:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.68]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xV01UNyc7OBd; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 18:11:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: +H+1AO4E9VAmIcpwMU9JaL1gRaXa3GQ11pSZlRYqbZgFFyEjy2i4+2Ayw2GU32xD Received: from igel.home (ppp-88-217-16-153.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.16.153]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 18:11:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DA74E2C1E20; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 18:11:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#23130: 25.1.50; `C-h f' etc.: escaping in symbol names References: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> <87vb47gkdx.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <3e3ee3f1-41ba-4429-bfdc-c795c62844c0@default> <87h9fqhe5l.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <87zitifx48.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <7a116182-3de6-4acc-8844-c2e100188fa1@default> X-Yow: Tex SEX! The HOME of WHEELS! The dripping of COFFEE!! Take me to Minnesota but don't EMBARRASS me!! Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 18:11:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: <7a116182-3de6-4acc-8844-c2e100188fa1@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 28 Mar 2016 08:23:51 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87pouefuqg.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Drew Adams writes: >> > Show it as Lisp when showing Lisp. Show it as a symbol name, as >> > is the Emacs convention, in help text. And in that case, show it >> > enclosed in `...'. >> >> How will that help in case of weird names? > > You can figure it out, I'm sure... So why do you want to make things worse? Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 28 13:09:05 2016 Received: (at 23130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Mar 2016 17:09:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42294 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akaf3-0000jH-JH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 13:09:05 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:21135) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akaf1-0000im-Jj for 23130@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 13:09:04 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u2SH8vTe007250 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Mar 2016 17:08:57 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2SH8u1a003529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Mar 2016 17:08:56 GMT Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2SH8rKU016855; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 17:08:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 10:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Andreas Schwab Subject: RE: bug#23130: 25.1.50; `C-h f' etc.: escaping in symbol names References: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> <87vb47gkdx.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <3e3ee3f1-41ba-4429-bfdc-c795c62844c0@default> <87h9fqhe5l.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <87zitifx48.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <7a116182-3de6-4acc-8844-c2e100188fa1@default> <87pouefuqg.fsf@linux-m68k.org> In-Reply-To: <87pouefuqg.fsf@linux-m68k.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > >> > Show it as Lisp when showing Lisp. Show it as a symbol name, as > >> > is the Emacs convention, in help text. And in that case, show it > >> > enclosed in `...'. > >> > >> How will that help in case of weird names? > > > > You can figure it out, I'm sure... >=20 > So why do you want to make things worse? So why do keep trolling? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 28 13:18:35 2016 Received: (at 23130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Mar 2016 17:18:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42310 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akaoE-0002af-Vb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 13:18:35 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:60375) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akaoD-0002aX-R4 for 23130@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 13:18:34 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3qYgbr3yBQz3hjXW; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 19:18:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.68]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3qYgbr1tMwzvhMG; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 19:18:32 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.68]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PEJAWh7h8lGA; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 19:18:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: yOnoo0hoeOhlcOO3cPt94wRJzpwAVvjmkgl/HZ3kfioMUElinYBYLwZrS5cenn7e Received: from igel.home (ppp-88-217-16-153.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.16.153]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 19:18:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 123392C3A1E; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 19:18:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#23130: 25.1.50; `C-h f' etc.: escaping in symbol names References: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> <87vb47gkdx.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <3e3ee3f1-41ba-4429-bfdc-c795c62844c0@default> <87h9fqhe5l.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <87zitifx48.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <7a116182-3de6-4acc-8844-c2e100188fa1@default> <87pouefuqg.fsf@linux-m68k.org> X-Yow: While my BRAINPAN is being refused service in BURGER KING, Jesuit priests are DATING CAREER DIPLOMATS!! Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 19:18:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 28 Mar 2016 10:08:52 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87k2kmfrmg.fsf@linux-m68k.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Drew Adams writes: >> >> > Show it as Lisp when showing Lisp. Show it as a symbol name, as >> >> > is the Emacs convention, in help text. And in that case, show it >> >> > enclosed in `...'. >> >> >> >> How will that help in case of weird names? >> > >> > You can figure it out, I'm sure... >> >> So why do you want to make things worse? > > So why do keep trolling? I don't. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 08 02:04:25 2022 Received: (at 23130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2022 07:04:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45021 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nHKY5-0008Rt-DE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2022 02:04:25 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:48830) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nHKY3-0008Rf-Jd for 23130@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2022 02:04:24 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=n4wufxVogQ+uFstzsYGz1tWlG3XXlsudzDu9bdgogC8=; b=T34dlzHsCfCqiR67FTyG57u5va XfPjMIQlHB+oje6i17zpEpjBNRI5oiadEIfMW7C8TmlJQNNhCQQIN/Ng2eim/N1He4v9Oxv2FUt7n gAcywm2tN7nZw0GeHf8PaqBn7sB6JZAULhLNIdSAouEs7x1K05yD8nH8/KD48WzGQJ10=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nHKXt-00026t-RQ; Tue, 08 Feb 2022 08:04:16 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#23130: 25.1.50; `C-h f' etc.: escaping in symbol names References: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> X-Now-Playing: Melanie de Biasio's _No Deal_: "The Flow" Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 08:04:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:25:07 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87czjxsutu.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > (defun foo. () (message "FOOOOOO")) > > Put point somewhere on the name `foo.'. > `C-h f' > You see this message: Describe function (default foo.): > ^^^^ > > Hit `RET'. You see this output in *Help [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Drew Adams writes: > (defun foo. () (message "FOOOOOO")) > > Put point somewhere on the name `foo.'. > `C-h f' > You see this message: Describe function (default foo.): > ^^^^ > > Hit `RET'. You see this output in *Help*: > > foo\. is a Lisp function. > > (foo\.) > > Not sure what others might think of this. The name of the symbol is > "foo.", not "foo\.". This is correctly reflected in the prompt. Why is `prin1' quoting the "." anyway? It's not a special character for the Lisp reader, is it? > (defun bar\ () (message "BARRRR")) > > `C-h f' > Describe function (default bar ): RET > > bar\ is a Lisp function. > > (bar\ ) > > Note that the first line here is not even correct - it should at least > have another SPC char after the `\ '. The way it is written now, it > suggests that the name is `bar\', i.e., that the symbol is bar\\. 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I voted for Dianne Feinstein!! Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:13:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87czjxsutu.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 08 Feb 2022 08:04:13 +0100") Message-ID: <87r18d201p.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) On Feb 08 2022, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Why is `prin1' quoting the "." anyway? It's not a special character for > the Lisp reader, is it? The following characters are always escaped in a symbol: if (c == '\"' || c == '\\' || c == '\'' || c == ';' || c == '#' || c == '(' || c == ')' || c == ',' || c == '.' || c == '`' || c == '[' || c == ']' || c == '?' || c <= 040 || c == NO_BREAK_SPACE -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 08 04:30:05 2022 Received: (at 23130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2022 09:30:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45303 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nHMp2-0002Dt-Jx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2022 04:30:05 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:50126) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nHMox-0002BI-Ht for 23130@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2022 04:30:03 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=QF0pcfftxvHHD/42Wk134ZYg+slTGqhOD2fDW1esmLs=; b=dCxm6CCPfla59gImrBQ8BV8Xei 5NJXfyyn8RRB2tWrYL+gJfqVODkjYSTjza79YAJGtNoD+Th/mL9mWn8CXxLt7F5jsrgbhS1lWtAye s5djI7v9LFlNKDJwHh/sEyCuZnMF6q6SNro0LiQWec4shQo1+1MIhFQMUZS1yeD5HcmQ=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nHMon-0003Nr-LR; Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:29:52 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#23130: 25.1.50; `C-h f' etc.: escaping in symbol names References: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> <87czjxsutu.fsf@gnus.org> <87r18d201p.fsf@igel.home> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAElBMVEX40ZTx2qn76LX+ 8r/dwJL///8/clldAAAAAWJLR0QF+G/pxwAAAAd0SU1FB+YCCAkdEF63bkcAAADySURBVDjLnZRb DoQwCEVxCZDZwO2sxMT9r2kE2tJW6sc0MTGcy7tKRAezSFkPEfHTWgFvAD0Abi1Zjtzj2IV6AVld b1X9E2pT7h7sZkW75LwHT/J1MCdBeMxAMgBdRpJDN1RcVxeFar5PeGiHkGqXwt3DFBCTm18H+sIu 94gB0ORr502OdVFdrjVIVKVyF3N9Ghjm4RIMYxdGGdL0DWIpq10fyy/D3NUDJtdhxNQ9VDUzmov0 BsVjzQ3KPTZEqJomOlc4e1ynVRpVDZ1L2/TSx1meV8vAx+yyAsp+DOZxdYBpiAcjrhymHNm31hpE Aii9DD+M8Hqf8hgizgAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMi0wMi0wOFQwOToyOToxNiswMDow MKn9m4sAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjItMDItMDhUMDk6Mjk6MTYrMDA6MDDYoCM3AAAA AElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Ass's _4_: "Ced4r 5h4ke5" Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:29:47 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87r18d201p.fsf@igel.home> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:13:38 +0100") Message-ID: <87k0e5r9is.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Andreas Schwab writes: >> Why is `prin1' quoting the "." anyway? It's not a special character for >> the Lisp reader, is it? > > The following characters are always escaped in a symbol: > > if (c == '\"' || c == '\\' || c = [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Andreas Schwab writes: >> Why is `prin1' quoting the "." anyway? It's not a special character for >> the Lisp reader, is it? > > The following characters are always escaped in a symbol: > > if (c == '\"' || c == '\\' || c == '\'' > || c == ';' || c == '#' || c == '(' || c == ')' > || c == ',' || c == '.' || c == '`' > || c == '[' || c == ']' || c == '?' || c <= 040 > || c == NO_BREAK_SPACE But why "."? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 08 04:41:49 2022 Received: (at 23130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2022 09:41:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45316 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nHN0O-0004lQ-Oh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2022 04:41:48 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:37357) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nHN0K-0004lF-Vm for 23130@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2022 04:41:46 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4JtJ1g2n01z1r5hQ; Tue, 8 Feb 2022 10:41:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4JtJ1g2Vhnz1qqkt; Tue, 8 Feb 2022 10:41:43 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Iw-o_Vmhg8sX; Tue, 8 Feb 2022 10:41:42 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: 72jEvPgRaEY86g59rnv6WNR1wSsOke45sCnWTvkAnfeDYvHV0ZE4nO764fA4IUL1 Received: from igel.home (ppp-46-244-179-201.dynamic.mnet-online.de [46.244.179.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Tue, 8 Feb 2022 10:41:42 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1AFBA2C367A; Tue, 8 Feb 2022 10:41:42 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#23130: 25.1.50; `C-h f' etc.: escaping in symbol names References: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> <87czjxsutu.fsf@gnus.org> <87r18d201p.fsf@igel.home> <87k0e5r9is.fsf@gnus.org> X-Yow: Someone is DROOLING on my collar!! Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:41:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87k0e5r9is.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:29:47 +0100") Message-ID: <87ee4d1yqx.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) On Feb 08 2022, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Andreas Schwab writes: > >>> Why is `prin1' quoting the "." anyway? It's not a special character for >>> the Lisp reader, is it? >> >> The following characters are always escaped in a symbol: >> >> if (c == '\"' || c == '\\' || c == '\'' >> || c == ';' || c == '#' || c == '(' || c == ')' >> || c == ',' || c == '.' || c == '`' >> || c == '[' || c == ']' || c == '?' || c <= 040 >> || c == NO_BREAK_SPACE > > But why "."? Because it is special to the reader. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." 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Content preview: Andreas Schwab writes: >>> The following characters are always escaped in a symbol: >>> >>> if (c == '\"' || c == '\\' || c == '\'' >>> || c == ';' || c == '#' || c == '(' || c == ')' >>> || c == ',' || c == '.' || c == '`' [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Andreas Schwab writes: >>> The following characters are always escaped in a symbol: >>> >>> if (c == '\"' || c == '\\' || c == '\'' >>> || c == ';' || c == '#' || c == '(' || c == ')' >>> || c == ',' || c == '.' || c == '`' >>> || c == '[' || c == ']' || c == '?' || c <= 040 >>> || c == NO_BREAK_SPACE >> >> But why "."? > > Because it is special to the reader. Is it special to the reader inside a symbol? I'm trying to come up with an example and failing. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 09 12:09:48 2022 Received: (at 23130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Mar 2022 17:09:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60594 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nRzoq-0002mZ-92 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2022 12:09:48 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:46098) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nRzop-0002mR-1t for 23130@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2022 12:09:47 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4KDJbF5kB1z1qyJ6; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:09:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4KDJbF43MGz1qqkB; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:09:45 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kAkpbnH6eIt6; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:09:44 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: q/0EbHbzDxZ7NGH39Dw8hSNt5axpmXwI2bWIDXN2MyLDFV8clnG+P/1MxgHyPDlZ Received: from igel.home (ppp-46-244-188-255.dynamic.mnet-online.de [46.244.188.255]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:09:44 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 53DED2C3AC5; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:09:43 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#23130: 25.1.50; `C-h f' etc.: escaping in symbol names References: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> <87czjxsutu.fsf@gnus.org> <87r18d201p.fsf@igel.home> <87k0e5r9is.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee4d1yqx.fsf@igel.home> <874k475br0.fsf@gnus.org> X-Yow: ..Wait 'til those ITALIAN TEENAGERS get back to their HONDAS & discover them to be FILLED to the BRIM with MAZOLA!! Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2022 18:09:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <874k475br0.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 09 Mar 2022 17:30:59 +0100") Message-ID: <87tuc7xdbc.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) On Mär 09 2022, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Andreas Schwab writes: > >>>> The following characters are always escaped in a symbol: >>>> >>>> if (c == '\"' || c == '\\' || c == '\'' >>>> || c == ';' || c == '#' || c == '(' || c == ')' >>>> || c == ',' || c == '.' || c == '`' >>>> || c == '[' || c == ']' || c == '?' || c <= 040 >>>> || c == NO_BREAK_SPACE >>> >>> But why "."? >> >> Because it is special to the reader. > > Is it special to the reader inside a symbol? . and \. are different syntactic entities. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 09 12:11:44 2022 Received: (at 23130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Mar 2022 17:11:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60598 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nRzqi-0002pw-KF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2022 12:11:44 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:48598) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nRzqg-0002pd-2N for 23130@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2022 12:11:43 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=5ISr6dn3ufMEWoiGQJVnzILTWO8TIFDYzFcCC9mF0OQ=; b=uPkQz4q+o8BkHVPrXlndMLziRS FKiqHmQ6Dd+FrqCpoh1B6mAhWFxPXuZWIWa84M9G3CMzauAh8ZHqvGIJfK6PD4bZOvqFW1qmk4kEG Z/Z6yPWLstpYm2fkb5sxcaFr9Htv+GelNf7ZQj74Ika0iWK7GeWZkC9qmD4ESYcZQQbY=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nRzqV-0001Kp-SX; Wed, 09 Mar 2022 18:11:34 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#23130: 25.1.50; `C-h f' etc.: escaping in symbol names References: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> <87czjxsutu.fsf@gnus.org> <87r18d201p.fsf@igel.home> <87k0e5r9is.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee4d1yqx.fsf@igel.home> <874k475br0.fsf@gnus.org> <87tuc7xdbc.fsf@igel.home> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEUiHh1aVlOuq6b/ ///FZOs1AAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+YDCRELFNKro5QAAADUSURBVCjPzZC/DoIwEMa/ M0Di1qEO7k48RUnKjgma6MSABnkKHsHBwdVEEuEpvf5Bu5A42qHpr3fffXcH/OWJfktTwZsUBRBW iCBnaychxPPwdVLsVHiXLAfqq4M97Qq0nQvcwCmpiyQmm9LKwtoUilsHJ3u3tZeYMzReIpKsfF0m CW2L4WDMz85s6AFJdw9HhQ1VPDQ0jSMYOu5NIBmfnGZGVFpIEoDgTVCvVp8dUMmdLtiBg7ZPns4G HiBt/g1RHmyAluaWVuGX2fiI/REhTBo9vd7a3R6QttpUTAAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAy Mi0wMy0wOVQxNzoxMToyMCswMDowMND0c6gAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjItMDMtMDlU MTc6MTE6MjArMDA6MDChqcsUAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Japan's _Oil On Canvas (2)_: "Canton" Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2022 18:11:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87tuc7xdbc.fsf@igel.home> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Wed, 09 Mar 2022 18:09:43 +0100") Message-ID: <87zglz3vb3.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Andreas Schwab writes: >> Is it special to the reader inside a symbol? > > . and \. are different syntactic entities. So the answer is "no"? Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Andreas Schwab writes: >> Is it special to the reader inside a symbol? > > . and \. are different syntactic entities. So the answer is "no"? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 09 12:39:29 2022 Received: (at 23130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Mar 2022 17:39:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60664 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nS0HW-0003bj-2F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2022 12:39:29 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:56710) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nS0HP-0003bT-VZ for 23130@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2022 12:39:24 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4KDKFL750Jz1qxld; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:39:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4KDKFL6nVJz1qqkB; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:39:18 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4qQm3wJGF6fo; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:39:18 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: UKfVRdNSAy2B6rhbn+tG+66+fI7e6mFNmtyB2xdSOJlFI7kuvxF5EB5Ky3yQPGuR Received: from igel.home (ppp-46-244-188-255.dynamic.mnet-online.de [46.244.188.255]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:39:18 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7C6352C3AC6; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:39:17 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#23130: 25.1.50; `C-h f' etc.: escaping in symbol names References: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> <87czjxsutu.fsf@gnus.org> <87r18d201p.fsf@igel.home> <87k0e5r9is.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee4d1yqx.fsf@igel.home> <874k475br0.fsf@gnus.org> <87tuc7xdbc.fsf@igel.home> <87zglz3vb3.fsf@gnus.org> X-Yow: Well, I'm a classic ANAL RETENTIVE!! And I'm looking for a way to VICARIOUSLY experience some reason to LIVE!! Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2022 18:39:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87zglz3vb3.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 09 Mar 2022 18:11:28 +0100") Message-ID: <87h787xby2.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) On Mär 09 2022, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Andreas Schwab writes: > >>> Is it special to the reader inside a symbol? >> >> . and \. are different syntactic entities. > > So the answer is "no"? \. is a symbol. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 09 12:42:33 2022 Received: (at 23130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Mar 2022 17:42:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60668 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nS0KX-0003gu-5k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2022 12:42:33 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:48752) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nS0KV-0003ga-4G for 23130@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Mar 2022 12:42:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=iSAJWBQmaqUXS1xGKdxTCKSmgrr9on2yIg9opEA4pi8=; b=FUwHwwHXr4GmZ7lpxAPM96x2Hi jvu8NZ/qcdx4Gno9ACZE7zt9xz1wYdMdJrHI+MXDuPssg8dqRuaUmgXVzVxiiep8MRj2s6na9L4I7 vAKyFf9u/nnGt5zl1AoFvkmZkgWVg/t1R5uq9sxupZ9APXamWcr2qjL6N8vXz86RjGrk=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nS0KI-0001Xu-Pz; Wed, 09 Mar 2022 18:42:21 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#23130: 25.1.50; `C-h f' etc.: escaping in symbol names References: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> <87czjxsutu.fsf@gnus.org> <87r18d201p.fsf@igel.home> <87k0e5r9is.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee4d1yqx.fsf@igel.home> <874k475br0.fsf@gnus.org> <87tuc7xdbc.fsf@igel.home> <87zglz3vb3.fsf@gnus.org> <87h787xby2.fsf@igel.home> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAElBMVEVpQUqNbGehgnmr j4ykPFb////1tcpiAAAAAWJLR0QF+G/pxwAAAAd0SU1FB+YDCREnIiQgXaMAAAG7SURBVDjLbZOL ecMwCIRR3QEALRChBWqpA3T/qXqAZLsPJfmS6AcdcDIVMR0qWNbnnPgMfM1BImpTzcbwvT7Ooh4w AUSbrNX6/KBjZbBIYbzxEul9gdMzpID6NnTmC6BDhoo81xwAY5j0J1CIGdNh0Bz0jFdEAgwzMSp3 TYirlekN5Zr91FDFUepdyi/QAQT7dT41mjRtjMMtRxL17xRhP6P1884gX4Vpr62RO4XeP/8Fwsf8 BST/MH09AKKvgl38zrhARbmKdhoahBkO/AWwq3Yg7pUQpyPeuSmmGxqPubxI+2kiS9xtDIrpljrQ u5ee8WVnvCmcGlkPRRqnxqFznKjHEzwNzbg+jKowquUc4k1xlXzsZwBXxikZ7gBN9BBfwIsoPhLV NYwYTl65EhmzntH5AviB+2I+UAD13Q2Yo9x3H9XapYJxHlwWwLVwgLO8TZLXNR65AIJJWgmjbsCF 1r0ygVHpCfljsw30JycaXBm3szH2uH2a4GEUMmpbR+l2sIV4lXOBq8TMqG3kUZRGXfequsgfYFdV YTm5r9nO3aADTlOdAPgDEpWGc1sjnUvA9+VJwNn5I/4xxG+tY0pqahonDQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpj cmVhdGUAMjAyMi0wMy0wOVQxNzozOTozNCswMDowMKOqrhAAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIw MjItMDMtMDlUMTc6Mzk6MzQrMDA6MDDS9xasAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Simple Minds's _New Gold Dream (81-82-83-84)_: "New Gold Dream (81-82-83-84)" Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2022 18:42:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87h787xby2.fsf@igel.home> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Wed, 09 Mar 2022 18:39:17 +0100") Message-ID: <87v8wn3tvp.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Andreas Schwab writes: >>> . and \. are different syntactic entities. >> >> So the answer is "no"? > > \. is a symbol. I know. So are foo. and foo\. -- the same symbol. If your point is that "." should always be quoted in symbols because the standalone `.' symbol has to be quoted (to avoid special-casing anything here [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Andreas Schwab writes: >>> . and \. are different syntactic entities. >> >> So the answer is "no"? > > \. is a symbol. I know. So are foo. and foo\. -- the same symbol. If your point is that "." should always be quoted in symbols because the standalone `.' symbol has to be quoted (to avoid special-casing anything here), then that's fair enough, but I wondered whether there was anything further beyond that. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 14 05:24:15 2022 Received: (at 23130) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2022 09:24:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44073 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nTgw3-0008Pg-8P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2022 05:24:15 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:40230) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nTgw1-0008PN-9r for 23130@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2022 05:24:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=tQykSjEhrMaABiUj33VHwnfR1rLTfKyyyVTFkBWHLno=; b=gRqONcER5BaAgeqnFeo7GDB6kA Q+ZFPO5Xp0xmgURKSkkx48F15akLYif79Jeu6WM56YRJq6vSjiBwpkiLokvEOu7t0JmWaTKYIn+KI +fdsNmzqXQXgL1jAXKewowkRPTk74wYbzNXLhLcFrOvwCPqyHiqeXJYIs9x/0Ceqpbc0=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nTgvq-0004jO-Ej; Mon, 14 Mar 2022 10:24:04 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#23130: 25.1.50; `C-h f' etc.: escaping in symbol names References: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> X-Now-Playing: Thomas Dolby's _Blinded by Science_: "Windpower" Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 10:23:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: <5f0de05c-33e6-4855-8603-19c0bd0c4c4e@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:25:07 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87ee34x4y8.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > foo\. is a Lisp function. > > (foo\.) This has now been fixed in Emacs 29. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23130 Cc: 23130@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Drew Adams writes: > foo\. is a Lisp function. > > (foo\.) 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No, I don't think so. Based on what you've written so far, this should be classed as "Won't Fix". You seem to have ignored both the bug that was reported and all that's been said about it. And you've gone off and instead implemented something you wanted to that's, at best, orthogonal, and perhaps even antithetical. Not too surprising, but still disappointing. From unknown Wed Jun 25 10:55:51 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator