From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:15:06 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23010: 25.1.50; Isearch help key to indicate current search state/mode Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 15:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 23010 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 23010@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.14579693296824 (code B ref -1); Mon, 14 Mar 2016 15:29:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2016 15:28:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48001 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1afUQL-0001lz-17 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 11:28:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52287) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1afUQJ-0001ll-C7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 11:28:47 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afUQD-0006Q8-4Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 11:28:42 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,XPRIO autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:33018) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afUQD-0006Q4-1I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 11:28:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43256) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afUQC-0002j2-0A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 11:28:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afUQ8-0006PL-K9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 11:28:39 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:25498) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afUQ8-0006PF-E9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 11:28:36 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u2EFSYKW030586 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 15:28:35 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2EFSYOZ008858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 15:28:34 GMT Received: from abhmp0009.oracle.com (abhmp0009.oracle.com [141.146.116.15]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2EFSWEu013301 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 15:28:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 08:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) This report was requested by Kaushal Modi in bug #22991. See that bug for more context. This request is for a help key, to show the current state/modes of Isearch. The info shown should include all of the possible toggle states, such as case folding, whitespace folding, regexp/literal, and char folding, as well as indicate the various toggle keys for these. This is a _temporary_ stopgap. What is needed for the next release is a well designed implementation that provides for easy configuration by users and switching among _sets_ of character equivalence classes, toggling of such sets, and toggling of individual equivalence classes. A useful and supple design will no doubt change the needs for both state toggling keys (probably at least one "toggle" prefix key) and any help display about the current state/mode. For now, the state/mode help could be bound to a new, dedicated key. Or it could added to the current mode help, `C-h m'. Unless it were added to the top of the `C-h m' output, a separate help key (and separate *Help* content) would probably be better, so users can easily see all of the state info without scrolling the help window etc. It is important to provide a succinct summary in a few lines, and then follow that by any additional detailed info that might be helpful. Such additional info could give details about the behavior of the different modes, as well as info about how to change among them. Yes, some of that info might repeat some of what is in the `C-h m' output, but that's OK. Another possibility might be to add this info to the regular `C-h m' output, but have a new help key that takes you directly to the part of that output that shows the current modes and explains the possibile modes, i.e., scrolls to that part. That would have the advantage of providing this info in the context of isearch help in general. Again, it is likely that the help output for this and the key(s) for displaying it will change soon. The char-folding feature is very immature, and will hopefully be developed quite a bit further. What directions that might take are unknown now. In GNU Emacs 25.1.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-12-10 Repository revision: 6148555ee5a3d0139ae517803718b3e0357933c7 Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: 'configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/snapshot/trunk --enable-checking=3Dye= s --enable-check-lisp-object-type --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-Og -ggdb3' LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib 'CPPFLAGS=3D-DGC_MCHECK=3D1 -Ic:/Devel/emacs/include'' From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:15:06 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23010: 25.1.50; Isearch help key to indicate current search state/mode Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 16:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23010 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 23010@debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov Received: via spool by 23010-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23010.165237286030539 (code B ref 23010); Thu, 12 May 2022 16:28:01 +0000 Received: (at 23010) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 May 2022 16:27:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42059 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1npBf9-0007wT-KL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2022 12:27:39 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:55062) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1npBf8-0007wC-LY for 23010@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2022 12:27:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=4+MC3JzYCIo7pLBqgHL1bwlAEd2VnOAdAyzTK1v5JFI=; b=Kh3negPfUYCrYjErROqoqMufFR /57KpmrqdEcDdE4YWTKigcXTe1hOb3NFpD8CJ5D5mLjm5UKEiA8FR6we+p/hLL99e6Ffn4PUoEyaV wH3Gr0TexTdWEe1stWvlNH3YtfbAfyu6oC9ZRx3eCv6/jyNgbo4Ft8oC+dnOmqft8eeA=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1npBey-0006qy-Hn; Thu, 12 May 2022 18:27:30 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: X-Now-Playing: Joe Jackson's _Mike's Murder_: "Moonlight" Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 18:27:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 14 Mar 2016 08:28:30 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87wneqwwb4.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > This request is for a help key, to show the current state/modes of > Isearch. The info shown should include all of the possible toggle > states, such as case folding, whitespace folding, regexp/lite [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Drew Adams writes: > This request is for a help key, to show the current state/modes of > Isearch. The info shown should include all of the possible toggle > states, such as case folding, whitespace folding, regexp/literal, and > char folding, as well as indicate the various toggle keys for these. I think this sound like it could be vaguely helpful. I've added Juri to the CCs; perhaps he has some comments. 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The info shown should include all of the possible toggle > > states, such as case folding, whitespace folding, regexp/literal, and > > char folding, as well as indicate the various toggle keys for these. >=20 > I think this sound like it could be vaguely helpful. I've added Juri > to the CCs; perhaps he has some comments. >=20 > I think the utility would be pretty marginal, though -- few users alter > these things dynamically, but go with one single set of states most of > the time. Why do you think few users do so? We've added more and more such change-state (e.g. toggle) keys over time. And we generally try to indicate the current state (e.g. in the mode-line). If the state were more visible/available then maybe more users would "alter these things dynamically"? From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:15:06 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23010: 25.1.50; Isearch help key to indicate current search state/mode Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 17:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23010 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Drew Adams Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , "23010@debbugs.gnu.org" <23010@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 23010-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23010.165237669621953 (code B ref 23010); Thu, 12 May 2022 17:32:02 +0000 Received: (at 23010) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 May 2022 17:31:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42201 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1npCf1-0005i1-Mn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2022 13:31:35 -0400 Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]:49183) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1npCez-0005hl-Db for 23010@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2022 13:31:34 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 053CA60008; Thu, 12 May 2022 17:31:24 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <87wneqwwb4.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 20:30:19 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 12 May 2022 16:34:06 +0000") Message-ID: <86zgjmd5g4.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> > This request is for a help key, to show the current state/modes of >> > Isearch. The info shown should include all of the possible toggle >> > states, such as case folding, whitespace folding, regexp/literal, and >> > char folding, as well as indicate the various toggle keys for these. >> >> I think this sound like it could be vaguely helpful. I've added Juri >> to the CCs; perhaps he has some comments. >> >> I think the utility would be pretty marginal, though -- few users alter >> these things dynamically, but go with one single set of states most of >> the time. > > Why do you think few users do so? We've added more > and more such change-state (e.g. toggle) keys over > time. And we generally try to indicate the current > state (e.g. in the mode-line). > > If the state were more visible/available then maybe > more users would "alter these things dynamically"? So do you suggest something like what query-replace does where typing `?' displays help about replacements? Such a buffer could have a different name, e.g. " *Isearch status*" and display the values of all togglable options. 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Please read the bug report. I made several suggestions in this regard. But yes, what you ask was included in the suggestions. ___ I've also made other suggestions elsewhere, regarding showing more such state in the mode-line. And I do that in isearch+.el. E.g., mode-line lighter tells you whether case-sensitive and whether regexp searching: (if case-fold-search (if isearch-regexp " R*SEARCH" " ISEARCH") (if isearch-regexp " R*search" " Isearch")) But adding char-folding and other state would be unmanageable with just a lighter. I don't suggest trying to make the lighter communicate more - the result would be more confusing than helpful. From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:15:06 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23010: 25.1.50; Isearch help key to indicate current search state/mode Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 17:07:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23010 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Drew Adams Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , "23010@debbugs.gnu.org" <23010@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 23010-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23010.16524616018816 (code B ref 23010); Fri, 13 May 2022 17:07:02 +0000 Received: (at 23010) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 May 2022 17:06:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44922 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1npYkS-0002I6-LO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2022 13:06:40 -0400 Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]:39871) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1npYkR-0002HU-9n for 23010@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 May 2022 13:06:39 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 34B2FC0005; Fri, 13 May 2022 17:06:31 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <87wneqwwb4.fsf@gnus.org> <86zgjmd5g4.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 20:03:59 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 12 May 2022 17:43:03 +0000") Message-ID: <865ym9z7nk.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > I've also made other suggestions elsewhere, regarding > showing more such state in the mode-line. And I do > that in isearch+.el. E.g., mode-line lighter tells > you whether case-sensitive and whether regexp searching: > > (if case-fold-search > (if isearch-regexp " R*SEARCH" " ISEARCH") > (if isearch-regexp " R*search" " Isearch")) I guess R means Regexp search. But what does the asterisk after R mean? On the mode line it usually indicates the modified buffer. 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From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:15:06 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#23010: 25.1.50; Isearch help key to indicate current search state/mode Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 12:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23010 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Drew Adams Cc: 23010@debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov Received: via spool by 23010-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23010.16551245514292 (code B ref 23010); Mon, 13 Jun 2022 12:50:02 +0000 Received: (at 23010) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2022 12:49:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57556 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o0jVH-000174-3v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:49:11 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:37280) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o0jVD-00016Q-6T for 23010@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:49:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Pu9dawXwAOIdGVn6HEu4YoKrI+K1CTQQNmSlmnawKhE=; b=IAJXGBLIL+uvC20mcvZY8/jp4B cUMCB4F+M3PWMHpYRH9XyRielhKvNOskxdnEW+Grfh8JPvW8wkmabHx88U3W6as8Xpf3x+zkm7GDd cz0sFeN9x6+2Q0VVyXJ7eDy89MEoLqY7TJPcbqc8CCcIm7RP0v932ZDroQ/cN4VwbqCQ=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o0jV2-0008Q8-Px; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 14:48:59 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87wneqwwb4.fsf@gnus.org> X-Now-Playing: Antena's _Ni d'eve, ni d'adam_: "Le Spinner" Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 14:48:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87wneqwwb4.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 12 May 2022 18:27:27 +0200") Message-ID: <87wndksp8o.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I think this sound like it could be vaguely helpful. I've added Juri to > the CCs; perhaps he has some comments. > > I think the utility would be pretty marginal, though -- few users alter > these t [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I think this sound like it could be vaguely helpful. I've added Juri to > the CCs; perhaps he has some comments. > > I think the utility would be pretty marginal, though -- few users alter > these things dynamically, but go with one single set of states most of > the time. 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