From unknown Mon Aug 18 17:53:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22987: 24.5; Incorrect index entry for (elisp) =?UTF-8?Q?`=E2=80=98help-e?= Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:53:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 22987 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 22987@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.145771154926519 (code B ref -1); Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:53:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Mar 2016 15:52:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45289 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aePMa-0006tf-Oa for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:52:28 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48592) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aePMZ-0006tT-Do for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:52:27 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aePMT-0006sk-GD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:52:22 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:51907) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aePMT-0006sV-Cc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:52:21 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39506) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aePMS-0007kq-6P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:52:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aePMO-0006p3-7I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:52:20 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:16715) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aePMN-0006op-Vd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:52:16 -0500 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u2BFqEYn015359 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:52:14 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2BFqDjQ007019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:52:14 GMT Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2BFqDFD004215 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:52:13 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 07:52:12 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) =?gb2312?B?Y2hvoa8=?= event' X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the Elisp manual, `i help-echo TAB' does not show you this index entry: =3DA1=3DAEhelp-echo=3DA1=3DAF event. (Those are actually single curly quotes, but I guess the paste into my mail client doesn't DTRT in this context.) You will see that index entry only if you have substring completion. The only index-entry candidates you see are these, none of which wrap `help-echo' in (curly) quotes: help-echo (overlay property) help-echo (text property) help-echo, customization keyword The index entry "=3DA1=3DAEhelp-echo=3DA1=3DAF event" seems misguided. (And likely the same is true of other events documented in that node.) In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-04-11 on LEG570 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D3D/c/usr --host=3D3Di686-pc-mingw32' From unknown Mon Aug 18 17:53:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22987: 24.5; Incorrect index entry for (elisp) =?UTF-8?Q?`=E2=80=98help-e?= Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 16:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22987 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 22987@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 22987-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22987.145771274328307 (code B ref 22987); Fri, 11 Mar 2016 16:13:01 +0000 Received: (at 22987) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Mar 2016 16:12:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45318 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aePfr-0007MV-8b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:12:23 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54590) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aePfp-0007MG-U4 for 22987@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:12:22 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aePff-0004vF-Qx for 22987@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:12:16 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48212) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aePff-0004v9-Ok; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:12:11 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3867 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aePff-0003hT-2d; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:12:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 18:11:48 +0200 Message-Id: <834mcdj8or.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 11 Mar 2016 07:52:12 -0800 (PST)) References: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 07:52:12 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > > In the Elisp manual, `i help-echo TAB' does not show you this index > entry: =3DA1=3DAEhelp-echo=3DA1=3DAF event. (Those are actually single > curly quotes, but I guess the paste into my mail client doesn't > DTRT in this context.) > > You will see that index entry only if you have substring completion. I cannot reproduce this in the recent pretest of Emacs 25. I do see the entry without substring completion > The index entry "=3DA1=3DAEhelp-echo=3DA1=3DAF event" seems misguided. I don't see such an index entry. I see this instead: * help-echo event: Misc Events. (line 55) So I'm not really sure what you see and why. From unknown Mon Aug 18 17:53:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22987: 24.5; Incorrect index entry for (elisp) =?UTF-8?Q?`=E2=80=98help-e?= Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 16:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22987 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 22987@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22987-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22987.145771379929850 (code B ref 22987); Fri, 11 Mar 2016 16:30:02 +0000 Received: (at 22987) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Mar 2016 16:29:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45328 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aePwt-0007lO-2D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:29:59 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:24573) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aePwr-0007l8-MS for 22987@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:29:58 -0500 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u2BGTp39000752 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Mar 2016 16:29:51 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2BGTo1C005274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2016 16:29:51 GMT Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u2BGTog9020595; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 16:29:50 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7a63860f-3902-4dcf-a8ac-9b6af77f16d0@default> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 08:29:48 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <834mcdj8or.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <834mcdj8or.fsf@gnu.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > > You will see that index entry only if you have substring completion. >=20 > I cannot reproduce this in the recent pretest of Emacs 25. I do see > the entry without substring completion The bug is filed for Emacs 24.5, the latest Emacs release. If the bug has been fixed since then, great. I cannot use any Emacs 25 pretest that I've found - at all. It simply crashes almost immediately. And no, I don't have the time to dig into why. > > The index entry "=E2=80=98help-echo=E2=80=99 event" seems misguided. >=20 > I don't see such an index entry. I see this instead: >=20 > * help-echo event: Misc Events. (line 55) Which is clearly why you don't need substring completion - there are no single curly quotes around the index entry, in your pretest. There are such quotes around the entry in the release. > So I'm not really sure what you see and why. You're not sure what and why? Try using the latest release, which the bug pertains to: In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-04-11 on LEG570 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D3D3D/c/usr --host=3D3D3Di686-pc-mingw32' Here is what is in the index of the release: * help-command: Help Functions. (line 43) * help-echo (overlay property): Overlay Properties. (line 114) * help-echo (text property): Special Properties. (line 83) * =E2=80=98help-echo=E2=80=99 event: Misc Events. = (line 55) * help-echo, customization keyword: Type Keywords. (line 98) * help-event-list: Help Functions. (line 69) (I can send a screenshot if this is not clear enough as is.) From unknown Mon Aug 18 17:53:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22987: 24.5; Incorrect index entry for (elisp) =?UTF-8?Q?`=E2=80=98help-e?= Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 18:03:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22987 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 22987@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 22987-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22987.145771936912573 (code B ref 22987); Fri, 11 Mar 2016 18:03:01 +0000 Received: (at 22987) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Mar 2016 18:02:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45379 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aeROj-0003Gj-DH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:02:49 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58313) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aeROg-0003GW-Sd for 22987@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:02:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeROY-0006ot-Kx for 22987@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:02:41 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50653) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeROY-0006oj-I2; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:02:38 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3912 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aeROX-0004HI-TV; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:02:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:02:10 +0200 Message-Id: <831t7gki59.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <7a63860f-3902-4dcf-a8ac-9b6af77f16d0@default> (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 11 Mar 2016 08:29:48 -0800 (PST)) References: <834mcdj8or.fsf@gnu.org> <7a63860f-3902-4dcf-a8ac-9b6af77f16d0@default> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 08:29:48 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 22987@debbugs.gnu.org > > You're not sure what and why? Try using the latest release, which > the bug pertains to: > > In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) > of 2015-04-11 on LEG570 > Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 > Configured using: > `configure --prefix=3D3D/c/usr --host=3D3Di686-pc-mingw32' > > Here is what is in the index of the release: > > * help-command: Help Functions. (line 43) > * help-echo (overlay property): Overlay Properties. (line 114) > * help-echo (text property): Special Properties. (line 83) > * ‘help-echo’ event: Misc Events. (line 55) I think this is because of the version of Texinfo used to create that file. The latest Texinfo doesn't put quotes there. From unknown Mon Aug 18 17:53:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22987: 24.5; Incorrect index entry for (elisp) =?UTF-8?Q?`=E2=80=98help-e?= Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 18:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22987 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 22987@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22987-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22987.145772071314521 (code B ref 22987); Fri, 11 Mar 2016 18:26:01 +0000 Received: (at 22987) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Mar 2016 18:25:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45392 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aeRkO-0003m9-Pf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:25:12 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:23327) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aeRkM-0003lv-SS for 22987@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:25:11 -0500 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u2BIP4HZ019494 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Mar 2016 18:25:04 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2BIP4UL015929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 11 Mar 2016 18:25:04 GMT Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2BIP3Vv020571; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 18:25:03 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:25:02 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <834mcdj8or.fsf@gnu.org> <7a63860f-3902-4dcf-a8ac-9b6af77f16d0@default> <831t7gki59.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <831t7gki59.fsf@gnu.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > > Here is what is in the index of the release: > > > > * help-command: Help Functions. (line 43= ) > > * help-echo (overlay property): Overlay Properties. (line 114= ) > > * help-echo (text property): Special Properties. (line 83= ) > > * =E2=80=98help-echo=E2=80=99 event: Misc Events. = (line 55) >=20 > I think this is because of the version of Texinfo used to create that > file. The latest Texinfo doesn't put quotes there. OK. Feel free to close the bug if you think it is no longer relevant. Thx. From unknown Mon Aug 18 17:53:53 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Drew Adams Subject: bug#22987: closed (Re: bug#22987: 24.5; Incorrect index entry for (elisp) =?UTF-8?Q?`=E2=80=98help-e?=) Message-ID: References: <83lh5oj1za.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 22987 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 22987@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 18:38:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1457721482-15726-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1457721482-15726-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #22987: 24.5; Incorrect index entry for (elisp) `=E2=80=98help-e which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 22987@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 22987: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D22987 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1457721482-15726-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 22987-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Mar 2016 18:37:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45405 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aeRw8-00044m-Ck for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:37:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38297) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aeRw6-00044Y-VE for 22987-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:37:19 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeRvx-0000Du-R9 for 22987-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:37:13 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51820) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeRvx-0000Dp-Nf; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:37:09 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3936 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aeRvx-0006Ss-3x; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:37:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:36:41 +0200 Message-Id: <83lh5oj1za.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:25:02 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#22987: 24.5; Incorrect index entry for (elisp) =?utf-8?Q?`=E2=80=98help-e?= References: <834mcdj8or.fsf@gnu.org> <7a63860f-3902-4dcf-a8ac-9b6af77f16d0@default> <831t7gki59.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22987-done Cc: 22987-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:25:02 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 22987@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Here is what is in the index of the release: > > > > > > * help-command: Help Functions. (line 43) > > > * help-echo (overlay property): Overlay Properties. (line 114) > > > * help-echo (text property): Special Properties. (line 83) > > > * ‘help-echo’ event: Misc Events. (line 55) > > > > I think this is because of the version of Texinfo used to create that > > file. The latest Texinfo doesn't put quotes there. > > OK. Feel free to close the bug if you think it is no longer relevant. Done. If you see this in future releases, please file a bug report asking whoever produced the distribution to use the latest Texinfo. ------------=_1457721482-15726-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Mar 2016 15:52:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45289 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aePMa-0006tf-Oa for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:52:28 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48592) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aePMZ-0006tT-Do for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:52:27 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aePMT-0006sk-GD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:52:22 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:51907) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aePMT-0006sV-Cc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:52:21 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39506) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aePMS-0007kq-6P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:52:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aePMO-0006p3-7I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:52:20 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:16715) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aePMN-0006op-Vd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 10:52:16 -0500 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u2BFqEYn015359 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:52:14 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2BFqDjQ007019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:52:14 GMT Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2BFqDFD004215 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:52:13 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 07:52:12 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.5; Incorrect index entry for (elisp) =?gb2312?B?YKGuaGVscC1l?= X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) =?gb2312?B?Y2hvoa8=?= event' X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the Elisp manual, `i help-echo TAB' does not show you this index entry: =3DA1=3DAEhelp-echo=3DA1=3DAF event. (Those are actually single curly quotes, but I guess the paste into my mail client doesn't DTRT in this context.) You will see that index entry only if you have substring completion. The only index-entry candidates you see are these, none of which wrap `help-echo' in (curly) quotes: help-echo (overlay property) help-echo (text property) help-echo, customization keyword The index entry "=3DA1=3DAEhelp-echo=3DA1=3DAF event" seems misguided. (And likely the same is true of other events documented in that node.) 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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id kl14sm355572pab.23.2016.03.26.17.20.53 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:20:54 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Received: by Hermes.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 90FB94FB4C60; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:20:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7a63860f-3902-4dcf-a8ac-9b6af77f16d0@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 11 Mar 2016 08:29:48 -0800 (PST)") Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:09:52 -0700 Message-ID: References: <834mcdj8or.fsf@gnu.org> <7a63860f-3902-4dcf-a8ac-9b6af77f16d0@default> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.92 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) >>>>> Drew Adams writes: > I cannot use any Emacs 25 pretest that I've found - at all. It simply > crashes almost immediately. And no, I don't have the time to dig into why. Whoa, that's pretty serious, Drew! Is that a pretest built with debugging enabled? What debuggers do you have available? I could write down some steps for you to follow. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 From unknown Mon Aug 18 17:53:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22987: 24.5; Incorrect index entry for (elisp) `?help-e Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 01:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22987 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: John Wiegley Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 22987@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22987-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22987.145904241528049 (code B ref 22987); Sun, 27 Mar 2016 01:34:01 +0000 Received: (at 22987) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Mar 2016 01:33:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39046 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ajzaA-0007IL-Pv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:33:34 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:51224) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ajza9-0007I7-RF for 22987@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:33:34 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u2R1XQon004372 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Mar 2016 01:33:27 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2R1XQg3012145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Mar 2016 01:33:26 GMT Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2R1XOj4012188; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 01:33:24 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <790d9dc8-89ed-4115-953a-3a7ebc947f10@default> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 18:33:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <834mcdj8or.fsf@gnu.org> <7a63860f-3902-4dcf-a8ac-9b6af77f16d0@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > I cannot use any Emacs 25 pretest that I've found - at all. It simply > > crashes almost immediately. And no, I don't have the time to dig into w= hy. >=20 > Whoa, that's pretty serious, Drew! Is that a pretest built with debuggin= g > enabled? What debuggers do you have available? I could write down some > steps for you to follow. This the most recent pretest build I have: In GNU Emacs 25.0.90.4 (i686-w64-mingw32) of 2016-03-20 built on LAPHROAIG Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: 'configure --host=3Di686-w64-mingw32 --without-dbus --without-compress-install CFLAGS=3D-static' I have no idea whether, or what, debugging might be enabled in that. I don't really have time now to debug this anyway, but if you want to send some steps to follow, thank you. Maybe I'll get some time later this summer. Otherwise, hopefully someone else will run into the same problem eventually. Otherwise, I'll maybe have to stay with Emacs 24.5. I've had such crashes with all Emacs 25 builds since early 2015, IIRC (not just pretests). There is never any obvious connection with anything that I am doing when a crash occurs. Crashing seems random. A wild guess would be that the actual problem occurs sometime earlier, and that it is in the C layer. I generally have been using only Emacs 24.5, since 25 is unusable for me. I use 25 only to check info about some mail or bug thread or a user question - e.g. a new feature, and I often have to restart Emacs multiple times to be able to do even that, because of the quick crashing. From unknown Mon Aug 18 17:53:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22987: 24.5; Incorrect index entry for (elisp) `?help-e Resent-From: John Wiegley Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 05:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22987 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 22987@debbugs.gnu.org, Phillip Lord Received: via spool by 22987-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22987.145905823420958 (code B ref 22987); Sun, 27 Mar 2016 05:58:02 +0000 Received: (at 22987) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Mar 2016 05:57:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39113 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ak3hJ-0005Rx-QJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 01:57:14 -0400 Received: from mail-io0-f173.google.com ([209.85.223.173]:35177) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ak3hH-0005Ri-Qv for 22987@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 01:57:12 -0400 Received: by mail-io0-f173.google.com with SMTP id v187so118102913ioe.2 for <22987@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 22:57:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version; bh=WAvsfZeklQXv9Oz6BhT2zvTU19b2NTrrF0/kdAdjwwE=; b=ZzrfXaZ3r1kObV2vetzVNP994ojNe9Sb4DQAWH+fb63aCK4IIIJ8KXJ70BDbqWpB/r ekH2gM4jvl0txy1XrBqscUDv1WFEQnov8K2+N9WlKEqrGqRLS/As8jF0Okpi1W5uCFjW lc39lXIR7JKdWEypqFlw7egiXoOlnxAZQbZE+qjdtK46tK3udcW0dXsmk4i2GeTOQWoV jt4AOs83EFmNlKoNEM8tSD5/kq13R9rypkOoO/LDAkJUmnmzdYvM3c9kK5NVHNF3UupA 7Qql9y+d52XtQpYDnx5rqwTgKT/edG31iNsarAQLcOx/X0qyW1mcnuZxHXs/5MePKLkh MIVQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id :references:user-agent:mime-version; bh=WAvsfZeklQXv9Oz6BhT2zvTU19b2NTrrF0/kdAdjwwE=; b=jwFoRRcZKdb1PAKZsqtDmkGs7bAkrabLDC3aRgDkuTmVjYUYvb8zaLMATbQHMBeinX nAt+SkmRxY1MOOF+r1zse9dhIBFSu8s9jrOHAVZcPKcm6U4z2fw/AIhkzjUMa7LWDUvG ZYmS/8k8S9LghwMZVvPzVjpIFsXbNmTQxmAZQNbaA592ih8KfScAPFGKhsI7RtZWIJOw SqX+D8F/RZacIH0VE/yz5kI5PKQjUFcn20JvI3xRle1C+dz/TV91xnFLj7dhIUzNVGG6 kaav3/wyJlT0/iGK9QyXg8VhBynT+Zp2HbGMwSxjHiLvGtJj7drMyKRtSrMZYUk6+HD9 m96w== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIvl1W6rQWpHwsB6FKjlXPWlTBkypII9HFzrJwTaMtUIUYOUajaD2qZCeoXW9c6OQ== X-Received: by 10.107.7.194 with SMTP id g63mr20313085ioi.81.1459058226337; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 22:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j34sm4020899ioo.20.2016.03.26.22.57.05 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 26 Mar 2016 22:57:05 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id C90B213C41F2F; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 22:57:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <790d9dc8-89ed-4115-953a-3a7ebc947f10@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 26 Mar 2016 18:33:23 -0700 (PDT)") Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 22:56:50 -0700 Message-ID: References: <834mcdj8or.fsf@gnu.org> <7a63860f-3902-4dcf-a8ac-9b6af77f16d0@default> <790d9dc8-89ed-4115-953a-3a7ebc947f10@default> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.92 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) >>>>> Drew Adams writes: > Otherwise, hopefully someone else will run into the same problem eventually. > Otherwise, I'll maybe have to stay with Emacs 24.5. Conversely, if you can send me your build steps, I can make a pretest build in Windows and try it there. What about the prebuilt binaries that Phil Lord should have uploaded to the FTP server by now. Do those work? -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 From unknown Mon Aug 18 17:53:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22987: 24.5; Incorrect index entry for (elisp) `?help-e Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 15:05:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22987 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: John Wiegley Cc: 22987@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 22987-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22987.145909106513021 (code B ref 22987); Sun, 27 Mar 2016 15:05:02 +0000 Received: (at 22987) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Mar 2016 15:04:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40179 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akCEq-0003Nx-Q7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 11:04:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38496) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akCEp-0003Nk-Gt for 22987@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 11:04:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akCEh-0003TS-DV for 22987@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 11:04:18 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57035) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akCDv-0003KW-QN; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 11:03:27 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3310 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1akCDt-00062A-Pg; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 11:03:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 18:03:04 +0300 Message-Id: <83io08yndj.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from John Wiegley on Sat, 26 Mar 2016 22:56:50 -0700) References: <834mcdj8or.fsf@gnu.org> <7a63860f-3902-4dcf-a8ac-9b6af77f16d0@default> <790d9dc8-89ed-4115-953a-3a7ebc947f10@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: John Wiegley > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 22987@debbugs.gnu.org, Phillip Lord > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 22:56:50 -0700 > > >>>>> Drew Adams writes: > > > Otherwise, hopefully someone else will run into the same problem eventually. > > Otherwise, I'll maybe have to stay with Emacs 24.5. > > Conversely, if you can send me your build steps, I can make a pretest build in > Windows and try it there. What about the prebuilt binaries that Phil Lord > should have uploaded to the FTP server by now. Do those work? John, this isn't a build problem. This is a problem that is triggered by something specific to Drew's use patterns of Emacs, and/or his system setup. Given the long history of these irreproducible crashes (which I suspect are mostly assertion violations, thus they don't happen in a release), I'm quite sure there's something truly unique in how Drew uses Emacs or sets it (and the support utilities) up, because no one has ever succeeded in reproducing anything even close, as far as the frequency of the crashes is concerned. From unknown Mon Aug 18 17:53:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22987: 24.5; Incorrect index entry for (elisp) `?help-e Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:53:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22987 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: John Wiegley Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 22987@debbugs.gnu.org, Phillip Lord Received: via spool by 22987-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22987.145909753329900 (code B ref 22987); Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:53:02 +0000 Received: (at 22987) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Mar 2016 16:52:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40360 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akDvB-0007mC-FN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:52:13 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:47916) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akDv9-0007lx-Rg for 22987@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:52:12 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u2RGq5Si023696 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:52:05 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2RGq5IK004133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:52:05 GMT Received: from abhmp0013.oracle.com (abhmp0013.oracle.com [141.146.116.19]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2RGq4Nc014165; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:52:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <76bcb021-4d6e-44ce-8d20-bca44bc0746b@default> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 09:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <834mcdj8or.fsf@gnu.org> <7a63860f-3902-4dcf-a8ac-9b6af77f16d0@default> <790d9dc8-89ed-4115-953a-3a7ebc947f10@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > Otherwise, hopefully someone else will run into the same problem > > eventually. Otherwise, I'll maybe have to stay with Emacs 24.5. >=20 > Conversely, if you can send me your build steps, I can make a pretest bui= ld > in Windows and try it there. What about the prebuilt binaries that Phil = Lord > should have uploaded to the FTP server by now. Do those work? I don't build Emacs. The pretests I have _are_ those from the FTP server by Phil Lord. The one I mentioned is from 3/20. The one on the site now is dated 3/21. It does not seem that multiple builds from different dates are available on that site - the next one uploaded apparently just replaces the last one. To be more clear: I have had some crashes using emacs -Q, but generally when I try to make use of Emacs 25 it is with my setup, which, among other things, uses a standalone minibuffer frame. That is not common for Emacs users. Likewise, the use of other features, such as Icicles. If this were something easily repeatable I would bisect my setup to narrow down a repro recipe. But it is not - there seems to be no clear relation between the crash and something particular that I do. I really don't have the time to look into this now. I have spent some time in the past looking into it, but evidently not enough to learn anything helpful about this. I was hoping that the emacs_backtrace.txt files would provide some help, but apparently they are useless. I apparently downloaded a version of GDB in 2015, but I don't recall from where. There is a gdb.exe, but if I double-click that to run it I just get a message that guile.exe has stopped working, plus these messages: Throw without catch before boot: Throw to key misc-error with args ("primitive-load-path" "Unable to find file ~S in load path" ("ice-9/boot-9") #f)Aborting. This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way. Please contact the application's support team for more information. If you send me some instructions that tell me (1) where to get a Windows 64-bit (or 32-bit?) binary GDB, (2) how to run Emacs under it, to obtain the info you need, I will try to take a look when I get some time. Sorry for the trouble. From unknown Mon Aug 18 17:53:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22987: 24.5; Incorrect index entry for (elisp) `?help-e Resent-From: Marcin Borkowski Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 03:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22987 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: John Wiegley , 22987@debbugs.gnu.org, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk Received: via spool by 22987-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22987.145913702826093 (code B ref 22987); Mon, 28 Mar 2016 03:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 22987) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Mar 2016 03:50:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40672 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akOCC-0006mn-2N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 23:50:28 -0400 Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:44146) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akOCA-0006me-Nh for 22987@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 23:50:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDB1A5E46E; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 05:50:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id av5B1LqblITY; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 05:50:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (98-171.echostar.pl [213.156.98.171]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42CF3A5E46A; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 05:50:21 +0200 (CEST) References: <834mcdj8or.fsf@gnu.org> <7a63860f-3902-4dcf-a8ac-9b6af77f16d0@default> <790d9dc8-89ed-4115-953a-3a7ebc947f10@default> <83io08yndj.fsf@gnu.org> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.13; emacs 25.1.50.7 From: Marcin Borkowski In-reply-to: <83io08yndj.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 05:50:20 +0200 Message-ID: <87h9frb6rn.fsf@mbork.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On 2016-03-27, at 17:03, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > [...] I'm quite sure there's something truly unique in > how Drew uses Emacs [...] That is most certainly true. (Sorry, couldn't help it. And I mean it as a compliment!) Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University From unknown Mon Aug 18 17:53:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22987: 24.5; Incorrect index entry for (elisp) `?help-e Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 04:07:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22987 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Marcin Borkowski , Eli Zaretskii Cc: John Wiegley , 22987@debbugs.gnu.org, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk Received: via spool by 22987-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22987.145913798927664 (code B ref 22987); Mon, 28 Mar 2016 04:07:02 +0000 Received: (at 22987) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Mar 2016 04:06:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40682 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akORg-0007C7-NO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 00:06:28 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:33382) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akORe-0007Bu-9o for 22987@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 00:06:26 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u2S46Igp020620 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Mar 2016 04:06:19 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2S46IkX016687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Mar 2016 04:06:18 GMT Received: from abhmp0017.oracle.com (abhmp0017.oracle.com [141.146.116.23]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2S46FYC023189; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 04:06:17 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 21:06:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <834mcdj8or.fsf@gnu.org> <7a63860f-3902-4dcf-a8ac-9b6af77f16d0@default> <790d9dc8-89ed-4115-953a-3a7ebc947f10@default> <83io08yndj.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9frb6rn.fsf@mbork.pl> In-Reply-To: <87h9frb6rn.fsf@mbork.pl> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > [...] I'm quite sure there's something truly unique in > > how Drew uses Emacs [...] >=20 > That is most certainly true. (Sorry, couldn't help it. > And I mean it as a compliment!) ;-) From unknown Mon Aug 18 17:53:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22987: 24.5; Incorrect index entry for (elisp) `?help-e Resent-From: John Wiegley Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 06:49:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22987 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 22987@debbugs.gnu.org, Phillip Lord Received: via spool by 22987-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22987.14592341138203 (code B ref 22987); Tue, 29 Mar 2016 06:49:01 +0000 Received: (at 22987) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Mar 2016 06:48:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42769 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aknS5-00028F-IA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 02:48:33 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f44.google.com ([209.85.218.44]:34186) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aknS4-000280-27 for 22987@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 02:48:32 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f44.google.com with SMTP id o62so9387030oig.1 for <22987@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:48:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version; bh=sTV1xmwuDxb+sHgj+xeTgxJc5+xFs5yVwQE2cMJJ/+4=; b=0t2fXldtfyD3fAebFNBT9/NWcq9LEa7cJmVShCaS+iGaR6vLZLgDzSyjk6kOpP+t6C 3Qc0O74TVkjLgf4YWrQjWAcqw/kMZguEbxZEo7vhiJYQ3rLEVCQeoOHQtrBGgMzBmFFO GaRwWWTgnadB6w9nRrZqUvNd7bVDaDyCAToLjstklA0fhGz8Oakuhn2YXLtSTi72ACSo ZoMqU7jXHWbBfvjKe167k/wrRn5GyGpM2LrIt7Ipsm2iSGJE7UBzdYK3ymBKJDjJlrvr xu6gwMRM+1NSOG9aTFxWICJ3DX0bHsMjutbUDE0lM/EdfhG5ogQ1z9tdS2FKn9RpAQNr Xdfw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id :references:user-agent:mime-version; bh=sTV1xmwuDxb+sHgj+xeTgxJc5+xFs5yVwQE2cMJJ/+4=; b=nJw5q0a+JQYtcZbf3B2byDErw+ZQlRv5AQ9XKLlg/GEqBdiAivlC/R5zE3sumFfwWt 43VDSho9SxGF6nVNep0lvcL4P8QAR1AAEjxo0kCcnG5+IQHtQW9SKAzMyt2/tUn/m0ve zv9JBaRkJ8RjvYqteyoGw76gQa8pSVRF8aOQEd3lYi8Hkp65nyogtE/SesHOVNt23ZJJ WvkavKiyDpZA2xby/IdOqSPQCufcOEpVyv3bJBaA+eqtSM33qsw7Vr+X2YhjyoRmFF3I /doTv2cNO5I+kG7nwcAkmhp4jhd/FZOClTL7hlT8E2vu6w4ihGt1izSdttNzOuWn/Oph 03vA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLXAsjjTyYHBCb0e1oTXMQwHjAPe2a+8mPxK34Auch4MZBgj8AzSxEI2A+1QQirzw== X-Received: by 10.202.182.11 with SMTP id g11mr201061oif.133.1459234106392; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id tr6sm9126363obb.18.2016.03.28.23.48.25 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:48:25 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9A76B13C5DE09; Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:48:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <76bcb021-4d6e-44ce-8d20-bca44bc0746b@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 27 Mar 2016 09:52:03 -0700 (PDT)") Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:48:22 -0700 Message-ID: References: <834mcdj8or.fsf@gnu.org> <7a63860f-3902-4dcf-a8ac-9b6af77f16d0@default> <790d9dc8-89ed-4115-953a-3a7ebc947f10@default> <76bcb021-4d6e-44ce-8d20-bca44bc0746b@default> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.92 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) >>>>> Drew Adams writes: > If you send me some instructions that tell me (1) where to get a Windows > 64-bit (or 32-bit?) binary GDB, (2) how to run Emacs under it, to obtain the > info you need, I will try to take a look when I get some time. Sorry for the > trouble. Is it possible to send me a copy of your environment? That might be simpler than debugging at a distance, because if I can reproduce it here, than I can do the simplifying for Eli and send it along. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 From unknown Mon Aug 18 17:53:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22987: 24.5; Incorrect index entry for (elisp) `?help-e Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22987 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: John Wiegley Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 22987@debbugs.gnu.org, Phillip Lord Received: via spool by 22987-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22987.145925672217874 (code B ref 22987); Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:06:01 +0000 Received: (at 22987) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Mar 2016 13:05:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42942 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aktKk-0004eE-MQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 09:05:22 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:42574) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aktKj-0004dz-Ia for 22987@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 09:05:22 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u2TD5Ea1018173 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:05:15 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2TD5EdL022943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:05:14 GMT Received: from abhmp0010.oracle.com (abhmp0010.oracle.com [141.146.116.16]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u2TD5DYw015255; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:05:13 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5ce6ce33-c81f-44a1-8d32-71a2881d0402@default> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 06:05:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <834mcdj8or.fsf@gnu.org> <7a63860f-3902-4dcf-a8ac-9b6af77f16d0@default> <790d9dc8-89ed-4115-953a-3a7ebc947f10@default> <76bcb021-4d6e-44ce-8d20-bca44bc0746b@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > If you send me some instructions that tell me (1) where to get a Window= s > > 64-bit (or 32-bit?) binary GDB, (2) how to run Emacs under it, to obtai= n > > the info you need, I will try to take a look when I get some time. >=20 > Is it possible to send me a copy of your environment? That might be simp= ler > than debugging at a distance, because if I can reproduce it here, than I = can > do the simplifying for Eli and send it along. That wouldn't be feasible, I'm afraid. Please send me some instructions when you can, and I'll try to find some time to look at it. As I am presumably the only one affected by this, so far, I guess there is no hurry to fix it, apart from my not using Emacs 25 much and so not providing much feedback on it. Thx.