From unknown Wed Jun 18 00:25:45 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#22909 <22909@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#22909 <22909@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Manpage test(1): Obsolescent logical operators Reply-To: bug#22909 <22909@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 07:25:45 +0000 retitle 22909 Manpage test(1): Obsolescent logical operators reassign 22909 coreutils submitter 22909 Martin Gebert severity 22909 normal tag 22909 fixed thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 04 11:32:36 2016 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Mar 2016 16:32:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33955 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1abseZ-0003Y0-Hp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 11:32:36 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43885) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1abniH-0007EP-TW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 06:16:06 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1abniB-0003H7-Tg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 06:16:00 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:60366) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1abniB-0003Gy-R1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 06:15:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34852) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1abniA-0005k8-RE for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 06:15:59 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1abni7-0003FF-0j for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 06:15:58 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:55277) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1abni6-0003F7-Mx for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 06:15:54 -0500 Received: from [192.168.200.191] ([37.60.2.219]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0McVKy-1aK8Ii2PrM-00Hgb2 for ; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 12:15:52 +0100 Subject: Manpage test(1): Obsolescent logical operators References: <56D964D6.8070002@gmx.de> To: bug-coreutils@gnu.org From: Martin Gebert X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <56D964D6.8070002@gmx.de> Message-ID: <56D96E67.9050405@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 12:15:51 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56D964D6.8070002@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:jznFXSWOJjQaG8dnyUatbbFJpWheG1VIYjUo+vkgX/bfj6UcGpj jnvStO3AjAIQbL1guf7g5vzwfdco2YCB+KqvhFRbEE/MT6eKb7aYVk2uMVMI5wrBdLsubyV pvoNVeqfysD1PIpwSK2j4MHrYG2ZgNQ8yJCkMvqeHBVyXTqJEI9Fiw/9saI1M3tBLsEdBD6 u5v48MR45bzqsmQnsA63A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:LTFB6VK/Trk=:y30xZmUSJyQ601IUGWP8h/ gMRaVmM/r9ymsOTR8XozaLtFbL3eOjslbrGB1/T7TPwcYVzdwVhJyZ+ka2fRYOXRJIOrhULI0 nVGni6U6FgAhfnnJbEGWE3NEHAex4UNvnmwOClMV6lDstM80w1oZ+x1fQUdpI3j5PwsVmUBfQ 9/s01VWR4EamSm8XR8sJOBoqfLbJeGsmIUJsccxun8yssZ7mz9g6wk5tK0VG53ZUZVuJW/y9c TWgcMbQcq1s1ImDLAxbvJdOyxymKoNfBxcvhzoUC5p+l4ziOk3UyWMQNAEkrAEaHwcGm1w7+e RqEHp3M0yuxshPOEWS2rvS32RLsBM/3HX0smBh9LfO/Tz73Xkp+4gVDNdj0NtnAWDXBPFcO8Q +00XcwAjG9wKvlYD9lAskWsGwLz2u9V368ya4Vagk+VRsmwcInRq4zf5dmSwKMr36A8Yl+Py4 tP17bCjj6Y2nuSYubgiagJ+/impno94ac95ydJSOep0UdiMT1OqthijkmwJBc+osR4aBa92+h y13bzkNYcxmiwN5B/yv9bK6iXSD0yAzHSGu/tDNAP0BmLxp3OjBwC/VqyR19uDYl1fity66JQ TtstQ4XFzDOMErjFupWOok70MOLUmzOGMptYM2T5anPUHNLtn3gQ143uWo8eoSAE6QvI2YjHS uuYvI2I/TY7RJYW9/dTXG87TD3p2CIvis3EYPMjzBlA9m5S6OwmvMdcM4x7oRA9BLqAkugFbJ VNUml4x06PIn3Y9BA6NS2uVOhi/6ULHseTG2+PcjADSpcBPnKde+zkqI8Iq1iEwj0M8c11h4J oSWn37J X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 04 Mar 2016 11:32:34 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) The -a and -o operators of test(1) have been marked obsolescent for a while now; see link below. However, while the HTML manual is updated, the current man page, still my primary source of reference, is missing a hint to that: http://linux.die.net/man/1/test See also http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/test.html#tag_20_128_16 Martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 04 11:41:16 2016 Received: (at 22909) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Mar 2016 16:41:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33965 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1absmx-0003lq-U2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 11:41:16 -0500 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:44709) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1absmw-0003lg-6I for 22909@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 11:41:14 -0500 Received: from int-mx13.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx13.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.26]) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B6EF64D27; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 16:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.3.113.165] (ovpn-113-165.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.113.165]) by int-mx13.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u24GfBJ2030298; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 11:41:11 -0500 Subject: Re: bug#22909: Manpage test(1): Obsolescent logical operators To: Martin Gebert , 22909@debbugs.gnu.org References: <56D964D6.8070002@gmx.de> <56D96E67.9050405@gmx.de> From: Eric Blake Openpgp: url=http://people.redhat.com/eblake/eblake.gpg Organization: Red Hat, Inc. Message-ID: <56D9BAA7.3010208@redhat.com> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 09:41:11 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56D96E67.9050405@gmx.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hn5dePnsaDlI6NcwdI98EWjOt6qSCh2PD" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.5.11.26 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.39]); Fri, 04 Mar 2016 16:41:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22909 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --hn5dePnsaDlI6NcwdI98EWjOt6qSCh2PD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/04/2016 04:15 AM, Martin Gebert wrote: > The -a and -o operators of test(1) have been marked obsolescent for a > while now; see link below. However, while the HTML manual is updated, > the current man page, still my primary source of reference, is missing = a > hint to that: >=20 > http://linux.die.net/man/1/test We don't maintain that web page. You'll have to file your bug report to the owner of that site. Meanwhile, you may want to start using man7.org, as a more up-to-date version of the Linux man pages. But you are absolutely right that our own '[ --help' (which is the source for the Coreutils' man page, which in turn feeds those two web sites) probably should be more vocal that -a and -o should be avoided. --=20 Eric Blake eblake redhat com +1-919-301-3266 Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org --hn5dePnsaDlI6NcwdI98EWjOt6qSCh2PD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Public key at http://people.redhat.com/eblake/eblake.gpg Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJW2bqnAAoJEKeha0olJ0NqBr0IAK1lOXuyp2Z2bFXvZkmxftt/ w5lcSU5Jjbtceg3ec/px83Dz3m07z1XPGcBtJ2mJR6aSB6kJz1tLYK4A5K+OHWLB SGym9u9lYdgUisFlUBmIxykJARjLoHKnWbtk8leaKOkN9xhStiyfhtU5SFg+moYP GMQfzossxAv5XGfJIyq8EmfcZqNeq5TDrG+iVI7gCZ0W8i0I+FvDc/rl38iPnTHA DJxBBRgmlRtpn7RhXsYB/5FgduowhQKHX+Q9itCOAmCyShcqC1vomAGHNh3LaO4l TnePo+7Yhma8IP9Hcu+yNiXf5Ao5UkdZtiJofsU635HVitT6pZVJ6S8SlMbqxUk= =FaxE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hn5dePnsaDlI6NcwdI98EWjOt6qSCh2PD-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 04 11:56:05 2016 Received: (at 22909) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Mar 2016 16:56:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33982 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1abt1I-0004mc-Mz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 11:56:04 -0500 Received: from resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.164]:34069) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1abt1G-0004m8-Pv for 22909@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 11:56:03 -0500 Received: from resomta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.236]) by resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id Rstm1s00156HXL001svxFk; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 16:55:57 +0000 Received: from red.redhat.com ([24.10.254.122]) by resomta-po-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id Rsvt1s0062fD5rL01svwz1; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 16:55:56 +0000 From: Eric Blake To: 22909@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: [PATCH] test: Document that -a and -o are undesirable Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 09:55:53 -0700 Message-Id: <1457110553-1153-1-git-send-email-eblake@redhat.com> X-Mailer: git-send-email 2.5.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1457110557; bh=ZXGTNco2/C2eHYvYSVZ3KIwh2hFk+CEpGlUGDy+c1Do=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-Id; b=c01QMuyuMckMtrBDBs3H8zrz/ka3OsPQ7JzyNU+OVFO6kWi+Vn94283RLlzC03ZVL zRmEPJcLqeOVL9GCULOTHWjFprd3XedZCmlHNFiIrzyZrSKtuo5kpb+3t0gyCcEr82 1FQKf72bMkntMKcHClzsMvR1VM7cycLSKHjHQVLP/vokDpr9vvas1d/gRjCfTfVMf6 QkKQBv5oTd73O+NLyeknL54ps5mVWId3nVPXhqiY1PY0pSP9b/eSc3NnFNsV+kwRC7 AUUrdh2g3hIa1EjcjZijlM0OCmqIdVgoZlDxaRdAbdOLjJH/bp7oBU/XvogM/TWBmA 9uJ5f82eoIX6Q== X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: POSIX recommends avoiding -a and -o, for good reason. src/test.c (usage): Mention that inherent ambiguities exist with binary -a and -o. Problem reported by Martin Gebert in: http://bugs.gnu.org/22909 --- src/test.c | 5 +++++ 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+) [...] Content analysis details: (2.8 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.9 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_L3 RBL: Low reputation (-3) [96.114.154.164 listed in bl.mailspike.net] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [96.114.154.164 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.9 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (fail) [SPF failed: Please see http://www.openspf.org/Why?s=mfrom;id=eblake%40redhat.com;ip=96.114.154.164;r=debbugs.gnu.org] 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_BL Mailspike blacklisted 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid POSIX recommends avoiding -a and -o, for good reason. src/test.c (usage): Mention that inherent ambiguities exist with binary -a and -o. Problem reported by Martin Gebert in: http://bugs.gnu.org/22909 --- src/test.c | 5 +++++ 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+) diff --git a/src/test.c b/src/test.c index 36817d2..bf31cf9 100644 --- a/src/test.c +++ b/src/test.c @@ -790,6 +790,11 @@ INTEGER may also be -l STRING, which evaluates to the length of STRING.\n\ "), stdout); fputs (_("\ \n\ +NOTE: Use of binary -a and -o create inherently ambiguous situations. Use\n\ +'test EXPR1 && test EXPR2' or 'test EXPR1 || test EXPR2' instead.\n\ +"), stdout); + fputs (_("\ +\n\ NOTE: [ honors the --help and --version options, but test does not.\n\ test treats each of those as it treats any other nonempty STRING.\n\ "), stdout); -- 2.5.0 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 04 12:13:04 2016 Received: (at 22909) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Mar 2016 17:13:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34005 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1abtHk-0005BV-L0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 12:13:04 -0500 Received: from mail.magicbluesmoke.com ([82.195.144.49]:51667) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1abtHj-0005BN-Lx for 22909@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 12:13:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (c-67-188-132-217.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.188.132.217]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.magicbluesmoke.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 13920998A; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 17:13:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: bug#22909: [PATCH] test: Document that -a and -o are undesirable To: Eric Blake , 22909@debbugs.gnu.org References: <56D96E67.9050405@gmx.de> <1457110553-1153-1-git-send-email-eblake@redhat.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?P=c3=a1draig_Brady?= Message-ID: <56D9C21B.5030606@draigBrady.com> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 09:12:59 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1457110553-1153-1-git-send-email-eblake@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22909 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On 04/03/16 08:55, Eric Blake wrote: > POSIX recommends avoiding -a and -o, for good reason. > src/test.c (usage): Mention that inherent ambiguities exist with > binary -a and -o. > Problem reported by Martin Gebert in: http://bugs.gnu.org/22909 > --- > src/test.c | 5 +++++ > 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+) > > diff --git a/src/test.c b/src/test.c > index 36817d2..bf31cf9 100644 > --- a/src/test.c > +++ b/src/test.c > @@ -790,6 +790,11 @@ INTEGER may also be -l STRING, which evaluates to the length of STRING.\n\ > "), stdout); > fputs (_("\ > \n\ > +NOTE: Use of binary -a and -o create inherently ambiguous situations. Use\n\ > +'test EXPR1 && test EXPR2' or 'test EXPR1 || test EXPR2' instead.\n\ > +"), stdout); > + fputs (_("\ > +\n\ > NOTE: [ honors the --help and --version options, but test does not.\n\ > test treats each of those as it treats any other nonempty STRING.\n\ > "), stdout); > +1 thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 04 12:50:36 2016 Received: (at 22909) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Mar 2016 17:50:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34020 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1abts3-000626-5i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 12:50:36 -0500 Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com ([209.85.214.181]:36603) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1abts1-00061t-4D for 22909@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 12:50:33 -0500 Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id rt7so56373687obb.3 for <22909@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 09:50:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6vzaFYJxdFmj7GULU3Yu6H6MQ0fxXvCv47Me0o6WezY=; b=yRhh/stc/t/hoZnhTlfX6g3V6bXG633LmNN5YoxsGx01/Qt0kK8o4VeEz0hlHuuQo6 G/G5OWElis1g5VQdrkmcQsAJ+hDuZDH3dWvBPPM1kSrtEIHMwYnfPAHOcBKWtfUs0kOy TVd7TACO8SsGvcCsJRx4dEj902/XffsDqr4bAmwtnjY/+BzJD8Mw0p4pjt++QdkPCl+I 7Ow5A0XOVmvrgIHFXYcLDPbwTuS2eaHC0Jo45dBRGZCS8pk1Bj+e7kHWGI/oiiL4J9FR Qz5CtC4KjSBtp7JaWFUGJjfIHrVDlbRQABxLOyPg+C53g2u923BFNLadnDy8EhLhLu8g IzJQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6vzaFYJxdFmj7GULU3Yu6H6MQ0fxXvCv47Me0o6WezY=; b=LhR4DvX2HKCiOZyMW0MfoFM+8smMoOIhx1glCNtFww35k4k2By0KMo5Omgzx/1ls9T pt27bkdZ2f69qDSi/TC9rQaAqUVix56vguvxNnIaY/JHizyIYlaGAkKGBmJUOl2f8mE2 p9kdV7m61m8InigRzQQHWhfVH0RfuVIxrMtKrtLrhKjs5Z/9lyRdRMkGFUzKVt1i3Qt6 95zTvqVR5C5yL95b71TgRLJ4lGs/wJhxYaTSCTvhIZGw+l04X1m7jotkiODCVg9h0c3W u+aIkoZXzuva+sHxav85vEPnf6SorKgRy2YujAR8g6KpuE6laYVuAkXFSCbNhHekjbvG YZeg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJ/Qs8iZRK0H3C/QaEvdmJi2oDPerv7c2lfCHGvPIFimHrXsC5RiEi0Tq+ajdpOFhPtpuKJkO42EpAN9A== X-Received: by 10.60.141.193 with SMTP id rq1mr7232894oeb.19.1457113827709; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 09:50:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.82.194 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 09:50:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56D9C21B.5030606@draigBrady.com> References: <56D96E67.9050405@gmx.de> <1457110553-1153-1-git-send-email-eblake@redhat.com> <56D9C21B.5030606@draigBrady.com> From: Jim Meyering Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 09:50:07 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6im_zZ1BHVTSZvokkbPYxT8T-Oo Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#22909: [PATCH] test: Document that -a and -o are undesirable To: =?UTF-8?Q?P=C3=A1draig_Brady?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22909 Cc: 22909@debbugs.gnu.org, Eric Blake X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:12 AM, P=C3=A1draig Brady wrote= : > On 04/03/16 08:55, Eric Blake wrote: ... >> +NOTE: Use of binary -a and -o create inherently ambiguous situations. I like that, too. Thanks. One nit: s/create/creates/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 04 12:51:43 2016 Received: (at 22909) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Mar 2016 17:51:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34024 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1abtt9-00063p-A0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 12:51:43 -0500 Received: from mail-ob0-f173.google.com ([209.85.214.173]:35825) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1abtt8-00063d-0m for 22909@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 12:51:42 -0500 Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id xx9so56468206obc.2 for <22909@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 09:51:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=c+qXqFiCaLqtyuQlQrSFnprwp0ahUqctd+UA7TWDUWs=; b=sviNC6UsEEjidGNP0dOoRTtymn38G0xQB57MdNSC9RsvExFN+kM+pC2Q5sQNsmaJ1o dZyAwFC9XXwH2C19ZPACioHM+D3QDnKMn0eNsG+c3y/fhcOG1BEQTDH/3b6mLMKCKeZi LxjZN+pK8syUYBA8DtyksbnQHtQlLdZ6dT/BHkozCJuOXTTWgKrqAG4/9xoO9O9xTllm lboe/jWV4zoj9iBQOyEz1n9ZmRxSi9M7Nwy51C+8jykEVXO6kFAQBlAwzBYMvgHxJXiy rSpa2IEDb/t4lxQP/0rvgQZs95xGtsk/pa7nQv/WprA+lB2hWYM6K76h3T/xaWLRTlQl yOkQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=c+qXqFiCaLqtyuQlQrSFnprwp0ahUqctd+UA7TWDUWs=; b=M2+1i9AcyI9/eP3SqDElVRKxDbImKeYxvGvm6JNSZZeISuuxNk5c+AB7sdwvZizArg Mz+uv8exD+YP6Jivo7uPdkz1IIijCwM5cT6A/V3EN5YJSoKq3lR7NWV1PXR9DZ0+8dqR weAe9VOKA5ehvNXrh7JbIQbTVd836OfEotM3Ros+sTOLvp+TmzMlP5yAXQc3KOANKKPq u4DRhjR6KCeCxLl0a6AScRlNkyPFWftDvtWrNfrr1hXQ6/XOfN72MPdsSAbXjbb00q9t IGmTR4I3NFFPiphSJQNL1gr9ev7zcYj0+4VAWz8iflnSr5AU6rEQdAYb+4/d7z3IgSj5 Zgbw== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKlv7vpPV/3AezCv9Th9mKS+ZiyBx81LJ48Hv/NzEBi2THdS+Vu7LGrb0oj7bfMT7PhIPyxPsAJKRwYDw== X-Received: by 10.182.225.231 with SMTP id rn7mr7138133obc.2.1457113896591; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 09:51:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.82.194 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 09:51:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <56D96E67.9050405@gmx.de> <1457110553-1153-1-git-send-email-eblake@redhat.com> <56D9C21B.5030606@draigBrady.com> From: Jim Meyering Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 09:51:15 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PyU8Ti-rW056TZ1dqNLaWokZClg Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#22909: [PATCH] test: Document that -a and -o are undesirable To: =?UTF-8?Q?P=C3=A1draig_Brady?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22909 Cc: 22909@debbugs.gnu.org, Eric Blake X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Jim Meyering wrote: > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:12 AM, P=C3=A1draig Brady wro= te: >> On 04/03/16 08:55, Eric Blake wrote: > ... >>> +NOTE: Use of binary -a and -o create inherently ambiguous situations. > > I like that, too. Thanks. One nit: s/create/creates/ Or perhaps better/shorter still: Binary -a and -o are inherently ambiguous. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 04 13:43:14 2016 Received: (at 22909) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Mar 2016 18:43:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34055 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1abuh0-0007HQ-Hy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 13:43:14 -0500 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:43800) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1abugz-0007H7-0u for 22909@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 13:43:13 -0500 Received: from int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.24]) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81B2019CF3B; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 18:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.3.113.165] (ovpn-113-165.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.113.165]) by int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u24Ih5di007030; Fri, 4 Mar 2016 13:43:06 -0500 Subject: Re: bug#22909: [PATCH] test: Document that -a and -o are undesirable To: Jim Meyering , =?UTF-8?Q?P=c3=a1draig_Brady?= References: <56D96E67.9050405@gmx.de> <1457110553-1153-1-git-send-email-eblake@redhat.com> <56D9C21B.5030606@draigBrady.com> From: Eric Blake Openpgp: url=http://people.redhat.com/eblake/eblake.gpg Organization: Red Hat, Inc. Message-ID: <56D9D739.6020100@redhat.com> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 11:43:05 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mI96mTJcWg22pMLJU7npVRdl9IsdKI274" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.5.11.24 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22909 Cc: 22909@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --mI96mTJcWg22pMLJU7npVRdl9IsdKI274 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/04/2016 10:51 AM, Jim Meyering wrote: > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Jim Meyering wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:12 AM, P=C3=A1draig Brady = wrote: >>> On 04/03/16 08:55, Eric Blake wrote: >> ... >>>> +NOTE: Use of binary -a and -o create inherently ambiguous situation= s. >> >> I like that, too. Thanks. One nit: s/create/creates/ >=20 > Or perhaps better/shorter still: >=20 > Binary -a and -o are inherently ambiguous. 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