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'C-h S' takes me to: (emacs)Top > Killing > Deletion and Killing > Deletion However, it should go to: (elisp)Top > Text > Deletion Regards. In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) of 2015-10-25 on trouble, modified by Debian System Description: Debian GNU/Linux testing (stretch) Configured using: `configure --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-pop=yes --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-pop=yes --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp --with-x=no --without-gconf --without-gsettings 'CFLAGS=-g -O2 -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=format-security 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For the function `delete-char'.
'C-h S' tak= es me to:
(emacs)Top > Killing > Deletion and Killing > Deletio= n

However, it should go to:
(elisp)Top > Text > Deletion

Regards.







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--001a11423ea4c46cb3052cf44bf0-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 01 09:53:09 2016 Received: (at 22866) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2016 14:53:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54955 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aalfh-0004WM-If for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 09:53:09 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:31876) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aalff-0004W5-QZ for 22866@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 09:53:08 -0500 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u21Er1Rr022827 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Mar 2016 14:53:01 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u21Er0Bt006371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2016 14:53:00 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u21Eqs9c019592; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 14:53:00 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <16fa0843-cc8a-4ad4-a627-50ded0d70c3b@default> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 06:52:53 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Shiyao Ma , 22866@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#22866: 24.5; 'C-h S' leads to inaccurate result References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22866 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > For the function `delete-char'. 'C-h S' takes me to: > (emacs)Top > Killing > Deletion and Killing > Deletion=20 > However, it should go to: (elisp)Top > Text > Deletion Why do you think so? This is a user command, not just an Elisp function. An Emacs user looking for information about it interactively will expect to go to its description in the Emacs manual. If we have to choose one or the other, we should, I think, favor user help, especially for a command. That said... (1) Maybe we could cross-reference the one from the other manual? (2) It might be good if `C-h S' popped up a buffer of links to references in both manuals. (3) It would be good if *Help* output from `C-h f' and `C-h k' provided links to the manuals (both). ---- FWIW, my library `help-fns+.el' does provide references to the manuals in the output of help commands such as `C-h f' and `C-h k'. But it does not provide such links for `C-h S'. If you click the link on `manuals' in the `*Help*' output: "For more information check the manuals." then you get this Info buffer, where the left column has links to the nodes listed in the right column: File: *Indexed*, Node: Index for `delete-char', Up: Top Index Matches Index entries that match `delete-char': * Menu: * delete-char [elisp]: (elisp)Deletion. * delete-char [emacs]: (emacs)Deletion. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/download/help-fns%2b.el From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 01 11:56:57 2016 Received: (at 22866) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2016 16:56:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56538 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aanbV-0007yb-D0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 11:56:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46293) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aanbU-0007yP-4i for 22866@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 11:56:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aanbL-0000af-Qs for 22866@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 11:56:50 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35853) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aanbL-0000ab-NU; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 11:56:47 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2247 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aanbK-0006Q6-4I; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 11:56:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 18:56:36 +0200 Message-Id: <83h9gq6ssb.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <16fa0843-cc8a-4ad4-a627-50ded0d70c3b@default> (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 1 Mar 2016 06:52:53 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#22866: 24.5; 'C-h S' leads to inaccurate result References: <16fa0843-cc8a-4ad4-a627-50ded0d70c3b@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22866 Cc: i@introo.me, 22866@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 06:52:53 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > > > For the function `delete-char'. 'C-h S' takes me to: > > (emacs)Top > Killing > Deletion and Killing > Deletion > > However, it should go to: (elisp)Top > Text > Deletion > > Why do you think so? This is a user command, not just an > Elisp function. An Emacs user looking for information about > it interactively will expect to go to its description in the > Emacs manual. If we have to choose one or the other, we > should, I think, favor user help, especially for a command. > > That said... (1) Maybe we could cross-reference the one from > the other manual? (2) It might be good if `C-h S' popped > up a buffer of links to references in both manuals. (3) It > would be good if *Help* output from `C-h f' and `C-h k' > provided links to the manuals (both). I think the way to solve this is to have a new Help command that would specifically look up a function name in the ELisp manual. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 01 12:18:57 2016 Received: (at 22866) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2016 17:18:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56584 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aanwn-0000BE-7k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 12:18:57 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:27084) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aanwm-0000B1-3L for 22866@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 12:18:56 -0500 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u21HIncq015453 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Mar 2016 17:18:50 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u21HInJk005401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 Mar 2016 17:18:49 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u21HImdu029739; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 17:18:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 09:18:47 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#22866: 24.5; 'C-h S' leads to inaccurate result References: <> <<16fa0843-cc8a-4ad4-a627-50ded0d70c3b@default>> <<83h9gq6ssb.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83h9gq6ssb.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22866 Cc: i@introo.me, 22866@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > > > For the function `delete-char'. 'C-h S' takes me to: > > > (emacs)Top > Killing > Deletion and Killing > Deletion > > > However, it should go to: (elisp)Top > Text > Deletion > > > > Why do you think so? This is a user command, not just an > > Elisp function. An Emacs user looking for information about > > it interactively will expect to go to its description in the > > Emacs manual. If we have to choose one or the other, we > > should, I think, favor user help, especially for a command. > > > > That said... (1) Maybe we could cross-reference the one from > > the other manual? (2) It might be good if `C-h S' popped > > up a buffer of links to references in both manuals. (3) It > > would be good if *Help* output from `C-h f' and `C-h k' > > provided links to the manuals (both). >=20 > I think the way to solve this is to have a new Help command that > would specifically look up a function name in the ELisp manual. That too would work. If someone wanted references to both manuals, it would still be helpful if that new command, as well as `C-h S', interpreted certain prefix-arg values as requesting that, and showed links to them (e.g., as I described). For example: * A non-negative prefix arg could do as now: query for the mode. * A non-positive prefix arg could show links to both manuals. (So a zero arg would do both.) 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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r29sm11807920pfi.9.2016.03.01.15.09.32 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 01 Mar 2016 15:09:32 -0800 (PST) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 978631331EC4E; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 15:09:31 -0800 (PST) To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#22866: 24.5; 'C-h S' leads to inaccurate result In-Reply-To: <83h9gq6ssb.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 01 Mar 2016 18:56:36 +0200") Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 15:09:00 -0800 Message-ID: References: <16fa0843-cc8a-4ad4-a627-50ded0d70c3b@default> <83h9gq6ssb.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22866 Cc: i@introo.me, Drew Adams , 22866@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: John Wiegley Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > I think the way to solve this is to have a new Help command that would > specifically look up a function name in the ELisp manual. Just FYI, the info-look module can be configured to also look up things in the elisp manual. I've been using it to do this for years now, via `info-lookup-symbol'. And it's already part of Emacs, so we'd just need to integrate by default. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 02 02:45:05 2016 Received: (at 22866) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Mar 2016 07:45:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56934 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ab1Sy-0006wM-R4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 02:45:05 -0500 Received: from mail-wm0-f44.google.com ([74.125.82.44]:38320) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ab1Sx-0006vZ-LI for 22866@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 02:45:03 -0500 Received: by mail-wm0-f44.google.com with SMTP id l68so65399231wml.1 for <22866@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 23:45:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=introo-me.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=vzYatwmHw4POliqxLeubOQteqebm35xHopLGoCY3GeE=; b=yY+CXyuMHvUOx/8JDNrzwF7M1QayZ/wJWxPyahvYmbfLO0b5aQ9D3CK9FAwLFZtYzi tWCYGnC89APJhHNq59hq0R1x98HwXz8S1KHNbuOVGXo8EJSMYqxKmFkWqiMRFIG9oxT2 0P7pnokAr4Y/ntm7iSkZsd3Qs3fZsQ4IMvjJ0NPC7G8MEHSzpr4vxmw/H8WV1UxaEkKf PyTRW5IG1PaZOgLZEw4XYPyk+6mIz4zhQsoMHbDJNlohye9bxv8KRh5NK9k3b6u37yWQ F16U6ZZ8J9AjewBBnBm0Yq4BH/cvfgQA016M41YIUcy0+QknoeiBGLIar6lbFvlMA1Qu 7pwA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=vzYatwmHw4POliqxLeubOQteqebm35xHopLGoCY3GeE=; b=fCBE/A3eYbWl+GYdoQJKiimNP73vQadJnf1eo6tIdlNMRmCDB1GKhx27QQLjMqWRFc mCpP5vBhsfuBOuDQslBllVGD0UxVinCjTWk6Wk9aDvXgqzhELk24nx2n9llujyn6wqsx 02ukqTPnstDtC1k6T5Be6YX6aSW+M0zzDrjglUMsJG821DiGoBZxoSCMx9Awmbm1TWyF mazpPXeYfnhZtMdGaZaM2ODfPoVwxRz8Mc9SiKefjJ7+w4/FAgLg6vKcpPpOfq4LolZB D5p/NLYN0KPKpjEwzf+kSNahTXd7aMXldis+kz3oUNcp4fg+60VN0p4f8w7/BmGUt7iQ N6gQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLxT3Y2789UHncp9Y9HoEKtdH//9Vu9FEPo1aBMkiUuKkWXFIcCPjFoOcJdgSh7QmlOtQ0TAMWwDA6J9g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.95.40 with SMTP id dh8mr27470312wjb.146.1456904697645; Tue, 01 Mar 2016 23:44:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.27.231.69 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Mar 2016 23:44:57 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [143.89.244.107] In-Reply-To: References: <16fa0843-cc8a-4ad4-a627-50ded0d70c3b@default> <83h9gq6ssb.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 15:44:57 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#22866: 24.5; 'C-h S' leads to inaccurate result From: Shiyao Ma To: John Wiegley Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bea350ef9a5e4052d0c0efa X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22866 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams , 22866@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --047d7bea350ef9a5e4052d0c0efa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2 March 2016 at 07:09, John Wiegley wrote: > > Just FYI, the info-look module can be configured to also look up things i= n > the > elisp manual. I've been using it to do this for years now, via > `info-lookup-symbol'. And it's already part of Emacs, so we'd just need t= o > integrate by default. > > > It does look up symbols under elisp manual from time to time. The problem here is for functions like `delete-char', both emacs manual and elisp manual contain it and info-lookup-symbol prefers the latter under both emacs-lisp-mode and lisp-mode. Possible to tell info-lookup-symbol prefer elisp manual ? Regards. --=20 =E5=90=BE=E8=BC=A9=E3=81=AF=E7=8C=AB=E3=81=A7=E3=81=82=E3=82=8B=E3=80=82=E3= =83=9B=E3=83=BC=E3=83=A0=E3=83=BC=E3=83=9A=E3=83=BC=E3=82=B8=E3=81=AFhttps:= //introo.me =E3=80=82 --047d7bea350ef9a5e4052d0c0efa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 2 March 2016 at 07:09, John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com> wrote:

Just FYI, the info-look module can be configured to also look up thi= ngs in the
elisp manual. I've been using it to do this for years now, via
`info-lookup-symbol'. And it's already part of Emacs, so we'd j= ust need to
integrate by default.



It does look up symbols = under elisp manual from time to time. The problem here is for functions lik= e `delete-char', both emacs manual and elisp manual contain it and=C2= =A0 info-lookup-symbol=C2=A0 prefers the latter under both emacs-lisp-mode = and lisp-mode.

Possible to tell info-lookup-symbol prefer= elisp manual ?


Regards.



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--047d7bea350ef9a5e4052d0c0efa-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 02 17:30:56 2016 Received: (at 22866) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Mar 2016 22:30:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58230 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1abFIG-0004dv-CC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 17:30:56 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com ([209.85.220.41]:35443) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1abFIF-0004dc-0Q for 22866@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 17:30:55 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id bj10so1911239pad.2 for <22866@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 14:30:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:reply-to:mime-version; bh=vj950sNfzwesmV2EZGT+hobyaEQz0iEywzcHhpjKxfs=; b=FmCRXeg6uef4O2zBU8q4Ztpc1zh1iRXrUuonX8ZwNrefsbgxLh4kyrtjiLyKx0uj6V dWeau33yeyN0H62GNlITNeCFc9/xqrRL2s4Qu2ctXYSE0KiX87xjnrlpOhqBdjQvqoRE VloCIZFdVCgF3dQYzjf89GNlOxQJgEIuuSC5wa4cPg8HZP+cbWjnjeSbeGMRkjjb2EhP dhPlx0isx3E08LHQXP8GjEHSuPmfY/fdgS/YPiZXWtQwyO8/vBPOmeiYwwZQ5UXKrRMS WkoE4IvBCU7BdM7hAnBGn5KK4a5DfjHEJBKlnu7J5s9SzOddm0cblSfYlWBjbaOSkItv CAjA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id :references:user-agent:reply-to:mime-version; bh=vj950sNfzwesmV2EZGT+hobyaEQz0iEywzcHhpjKxfs=; b=dCbnMH5EVBqiFfJDukPdj/Wc4RpXjxcAYGC0QczFoSiNoe7Eu3SDLTKkGkWgk/iKq+ A3g5zrpHoXPFcLpRSdACxKjwBRrg5bT2waotcLohAI2G+hrMBEpAlf+PPpT97dLqAXoN o3DZxjxxX/SSzhBLzN6g73UOYeZYclFdX4Lb/GpbWPSsmcvnbaeIr6drTf2bKOgL+uYk pwPZ7nmTEAaef9OmyLsIiF1JM8E4pUE+dS7PA6r/dH6pasKMX62HAGZ1PfKreD5Uu7wa lLgVzw/g3d/sZmZYWqFv/seXMT7I4931B6SQ48zlejaLxrKoqMaYC3GXQjC6bete2epQ 5Fig== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJL5q58FzQGKNGR7pJNAbN9ioFAtASp/wN1SVM/tF0c482Q7nOXk+awx7tDUD9lcMA== X-Received: by 10.67.8.100 with SMTP id dj4mr42442624pad.88.1456957849132; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 14:30:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b2sm55286287pfd.24.2016.03.02.14.30.47 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Mar 2016 14:30:48 -0800 (PST) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: John Wiegley Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 55ED81334D8D9; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:30:47 -0800 (PST) To: Shiyao Ma Subject: Re: bug#22866: 24.5; 'C-h S' leads to inaccurate result In-Reply-To: (Shiyao Ma's message of "Wed, 2 Mar 2016 15:44:57 +0800") Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2016 14:28:31 -0800 Message-ID: References: <16fa0843-cc8a-4ad4-a627-50ded0d70c3b@default> <83h9gq6ssb.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22866 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams , 22866@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: John Wiegley Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) >>>>> Shiyao Ma writes: > It does look up symbols under elisp manual from time to time. The problem > here is for functions like `delete-char', both emacs manual and elisp manual > contain it and info-lookup-symbol prefers the latter under both > emacs-lisp-mode and lisp-mode. > Possible to tell info-lookup-symbol prefer elisp manual ? There is an extension package, Info-lookmore, which will let you browse multiple manuals for a symbol, if I remember correctly... -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 24 07:00:36 2022 Received: (at 22866) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jan 2022 12:00:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42413 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nBy1U-0005a0-Nf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 07:00:36 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:49978) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nBy1T-0005Zm-7Z for 22866@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 07:00:35 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=rh63P8WalAkFElXe6h9S/dXmhSstGCTtFDL7mb5Q08k=; b=O9Zm9JZbB+/zESBQ7tjkhrZB3I 6NwsgCEE3VmtdGMZ2fNs/sLnghlVdSOHfLdJ2RkQrORkQCklp8i4kj326sO/FCLWrYQPSWF/EZKHc VcPDCLAsZCoUN6/pwgxCVsfVnJnlMmvsiExh+5tJk0Xd0TNPE7EPUk+SPHs/znnc1PRc=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nBy1G-0007O2-L2; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 13:00:25 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#22866: 24.5; 'C-h S' leads to inaccurate result References: <16fa0843-cc8a-4ad4-a627-50ded0d70c3b@default> <83h9gq6ssb.fsf@gnu.org> X-Now-Playing: Prince's _Parade (Under the Cherry Moon)_: "Christopher Tracy's Parade" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 13:00:22 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83h9gq6ssb.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 01 Mar 2016 18:56:36 +0200") Message-ID: <87r18x8ht5.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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