From unknown Sun Aug 17 22:09:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22842: "O" subjects persist, even though their bodies have been deleted by "E" Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 20:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 22842 X-GNU-PR-Package: gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 22842@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org (The Gnus Bugfixing Girls + Boys) Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.145669296425903 (code B ref -1); Sun, 28 Feb 2016 20:57:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Feb 2016 20:56:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51039 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aa8Nn-0006ji-N1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 15:56:03 -0500 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:40752 helo=homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aa8Nl-0006jJ-E1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 15:56:01 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461C834806E for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 12:56:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=ksu2Aw+eZAik2O3Avxm gk7xjo48=; b=Vy0To8kDlSgCKKNd2cifMUqxeHKOn1FMnSJhHS+jo2ZiYV4EgAZ XKuNlwEUal7h6s899DzK5bEEEKE8ko7JHoezP/Qg9bUI8lUhEDWFpgfdlaf34I3B RI9EheA8ssVf3voRpfD5TxJcQEDpMOiAQZbZO6z4ysSk8mG4E4PXmLuY= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-31-18.dynamic.hinet.net [114.41.31.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BD5A334806C for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 12:55:59 -0800 (PST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 04:48:08 +0800 Message-ID: <87fuwcwohj.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Do ESC 999999 RET in the Group buffer with cursor placed upon e.g., (nnml:)mail.misc . [RET (translated from ) runs the command gnus-group-select-group If ALL is a positive number, fetch this number of the latest articles in the group.] You will see tons of "O" articles that cannot be read and who knows why they should still be listed. These are articles that I hit E on (making them marked as E) and more than a week has passed. In fact years. Normally one never sees them again, until one day I hit the above 999... We read in (info "(gnus) Expiring Mail") =E2=80=98E=E2=80=99 Marked as expirable (=E2=80=98gnus-expirable-mark=E2=80=99). Marking articles as "expirable" (or have them marked as such automatically) doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense in normal groups=E2=80= =94a user doesn=E2=80=99t control expiring of news articles, but in mail group= s, for instance, articles marked as "expirable" can be deleted by Gnus at any time. =E2=80=98O=E2=80=99 Articles that were marked as read in previous sessions and are now "old" (=E2=80=98gnus-ancient-mark=E2=80=99). And in (info "(gnus) Expiring Mail") no mention of why Subjects will remain whilst their bodies are gone. So it must be a bug! My configuration files can be seen in http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/ P.S., the *Gnus Help Bug* buffer should be called *Gnus Bug Help*, or mention within it why not. Also in (info "(gnus) Expiring Mail") etc. please just use ASCII "you'll have problems... don't really mix very well." because "you=E2=80=99ll have problems... don=E2=80=99t really mix very well." looks terrible. Gnus v5.13 GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (i586-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.18.6) of 2016-01-23 on x86-csail-01, modified by Debian From unknown Sun Aug 17 22:09:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22842: not always, but sometimes References: <87fuwcwohj.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <87fuwcwohj.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 00:10:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22842 X-GNU-PR-Package: gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 22842@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22842-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22842.145670455011094 (code B ref 22842); Mon, 29 Feb 2016 00:10:01 +0000 Received: (at 22842) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Feb 2016 00:09:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51088 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aaBOf-0002ss-Rq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 19:09:09 -0500 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:49320 helo=homiemail-a38.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aaBOe-0002sk-Kt for 22842@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 19:09:09 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6AE10AFBE for <22842@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 16:09:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=aeSb0Vk/0Ogz5Zu1R711TOh3CX8=; b=pCWF1iCbC4F0+/YO 9AnaTp3VI/wY7BNOzr9J10aeksr063L6sXD1ViWOx8jMBooqkufpajDDciTS23gR cO2OQ60B44KcIDxcwsGenk0YhI+GVxvl038nk7839BQfcd1cn/aPcU/kTiZZAj9i ew+Zy0B7vlAdy56/lakClnK2Uk8= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-35-252.dynamic.hinet.net [114.41.35.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a38.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 30C9710AFA5 for <22842@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 16:09:05 -0800 (PST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 08:09:00 +0800 Message-ID: <87bn70cr8j.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) It seems that E runs the command gnus-summary-mark-as-expirable usually works. The article and its subject line in the index are deleted after a week. But occasionally the subject line of some articles remain in the index. From unknown Sun Aug 17 22:09:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22842: not always, but sometimes Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 23:05:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22842 X-GNU-PR-Package: gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 22842@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22842-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22842.148547188410988 (code B ref 22842); Thu, 26 Jan 2017 23:05:02 +0000 Received: (at 22842) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2017 23:04:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46508 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWt5w-0002rA-9n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:04:44 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:60083) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWt5u-0002r1-R3 for 22842@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:04:43 -0500 Received: from 2.150.50.220.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.150.50.220] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWt5s-0007Iz-DH; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 00:04:42 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87bn70cr8j.fsf@jidanni.org> ("=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Mon, 29 Feb 2016 08:09:00 +0800") Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 23:54:30 +0100 Message-ID: <877f5h5t5l.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87fuwcwohj.fsf@jidanni.org> <87bn70cr8j.fsf@jidanni.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) M9< Dan Jacobson writes: > It seems that > E runs the command gnus-summary-mark-as-expirable > usually works. > The article and its subject line in the index are deleted after a week. > But occasionally the subject line of some articles remain in the index. The server caches them, perhaps? This doesn't seem like a bug, though. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 26 18:04:51 2017 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2017 23:04:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46511 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWt63-0002rT-Hb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:04:51 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:60090) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWt62-0002rM-GH for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:04:50 -0500 Received: from 2.150.50.220.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.150.50.220] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWt60-0007rj-BK for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 00:04:50 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: control message for bug #22842 Message-ID: <8760l15t5i.fsf@totally-fudged-out-message-id> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 00:04:42 +0100 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) close 22842 From unknown Sun Aug 17 22:09:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22842: Subjects from long ago linger In-Reply-To: <87fuwcwohj.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 00:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22842 X-GNU-PR-Package: gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 22842@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22842-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22842.14859076375224 (code B ref 22842); Wed, 01 Feb 2017 00:08:01 +0000 Received: (at 22842) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Feb 2017 00:07:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52660 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cYiSD-0001MC-Fe for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 19:07:17 -0500 Received: from homie.mail.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208]:45468 helo=homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cYiSC-0001M4-0F for 22842@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 19:07:16 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186F3280062; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 16:07:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=YsfOakt6brt5Fpjym1LEchhkfd8=; b=GRl74CZ7eI1zu LiVOCrbQlShy2lV3iXFgWavR04ul9S4Ybad1UF92JqIo4LnHCMZ9HWFjLs3nsR5+ gSvnzxBQK3Ix463luufRK95Iod4i8kEy144dBRkWq0MDzRfLt3ctrgqZkD6qmHGs VjqoLC+HN6bvuIR+m/Q/p4s+C961j8= Received: from jidanni.org (122-118-145-105.dynamic.hinet.net [122.118.145.105]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CBC3E280069; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 16:07:14 -0800 (PST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <87fuwcwohj.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 08:02:16 +0800 Message-ID: <8737fy4w3b.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) I swear it's horrible. On your main mailbox one day just out of curiosity do C-u 9999 RET Do you see lots of O and E marked articles, from years ago, that turn into G when you try to see them, because their bodies aren't there? LI> The server caches them, perhaps? This doesn't seem like a bug, though. Well there should be a command I can use to clean the cache... Wait, I'll try gnus-group-list-cached that shows that I have no groups with cached articles. And it also makes all my groups disappear. And not even "A u" will get them back! Let's hope quitting and then restarting gnus will get them back. It did, thank God. Anyways you got a problem.