From unknown Sun Aug 17 22:09:24 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22690: ELPA repository is corrupted on Savannah Resent-From: Paul Eggert Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 23:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 22690 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 22690@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Emacs bug reports and feature requests Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.1455578775415 (code B ref -1); Mon, 15 Feb 2016 23:27:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Feb 2016 23:26:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40571 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aVSX1-00006Z-Cc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:26:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42130) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aVSWz-00006G-9m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:26:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAC9160FC1 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id njHazeywXY1I for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CEF5160FD0 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:25:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id IiJ0D-HM2RBx for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 72239160FC1 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:25:58 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Eggert Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <56C25E86.9090600@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:25:58 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Stephen Leake reported the problem here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-02/msg00867.html Andreas Schwab analyzed it here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-02/msg00887.html The following shell transcript shows how to reproduce the problem: $ git clone -c transfer.fsckObjects=true git://git.savannah.gnu.org/emacs/elpa.git Cloning into 'elpa'... remote: Counting objects: 93882, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (32519/32519), done. error: object 2699d230e3b592ae42506d7b5c969a7ac6a4593c:contains zero-padded file modes fatal: Error in object fatal: index-pack failed From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 06 11:54:20 2017 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 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boundary="----------=_1520216702-22954-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1520216702-22954-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #22690: ELPA repository is corrupted on Savannah which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 22690@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 22690: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D22690 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1520216702-22954-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 22690-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Mar 2018 02:24:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44917 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1esfo8-0005xu-F8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2018 21:24:56 -0500 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:49194) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1esfo7-0005xh-0j for 22690-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2018 21:24:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2F81600F3 for <22690-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id Q5bZ6VzxubLH for <22690-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1A21616E1 for <22690-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:24:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id b-0fSUaJpX1r for <22690-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (unknown [47.154.30.119]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 262401600F3 for <22690-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:24:48 -0800 (PST) To: 22690-done@debbugs.gnu.org From: Paul Eggert Subject: Re: ELPA repository is corrupted on Savannah Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <2c5eea7f-57cd-7b52-9373-42333f77ee79@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:24:47 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22690-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Closing the bug report, since the bug cannot be fixed. ------------=_1520216702-22954-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Feb 2016 23:26:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40571 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aVSX1-00006Z-Cc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:26:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42130) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aVSWz-00006G-9m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:26:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAC9160FC1 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id njHazeywXY1I for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CEF5160FD0 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:25:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id IiJ0D-HM2RBx for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 72239160FC1 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:25:58 -0800 (PST) To: Emacs bug reports and feature requests From: Paul Eggert Subject: ELPA repository is corrupted on Savannah Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <56C25E86.9090600@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:25:58 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Stephen Leake reported the problem here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-02/msg00867.html Andreas Schwab analyzed it here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-02/msg00887.html The following shell transcript shows how to reproduce the problem: $ git clone -c transfer.fsckObjects=true git://git.savannah.gnu.org/emacs/elpa.git Cloning into 'elpa'... remote: Counting objects: 93882, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (32519/32519), done. error: object 2699d230e3b592ae42506d7b5c969a7ac6a4593c:contains zero-padded file modes fatal: Error in object fatal: index-pack failed ------------=_1520216702-22954-1-- From unknown Sun Aug 17 22:09:24 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Philipp Stephani Subject: bug#25376: closed (Re: ELPA repository is corrupted on Savannah) Message-ID: References: <2c5eea7f-57cd-7b52-9373-42333f77ee79@cs.ucla.edu> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 25376 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: wontfix Reply-To: 25376@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 02:25:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1520216702-22954-3" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1520216702-22954-3 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #22690: 25.1; Git fsck fails with elpa.git which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 25376@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 22690: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D22690 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1520216702-22954-3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 22690-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Mar 2018 02:24:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44917 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1esfo8-0005xu-F8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2018 21:24:56 -0500 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:49194) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1esfo7-0005xh-0j for 22690-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2018 21:24:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2F81600F3 for <22690-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id Q5bZ6VzxubLH for <22690-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1A21616E1 for <22690-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:24:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id b-0fSUaJpX1r for <22690-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (unknown [47.154.30.119]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 262401600F3 for <22690-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:24:48 -0800 (PST) To: 22690-done@debbugs.gnu.org From: Paul Eggert Subject: Re: ELPA repository is corrupted on Savannah Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <2c5eea7f-57cd-7b52-9373-42333f77ee79@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:24:47 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; 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Fri, 06 Jan 2017 07:36:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from p ([2001:4c50:258:d700:bdf6:6d99:3428:517f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id kq7sm109034973wjb.30.2017.01.06.07.35.59 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 06 Jan 2017 07:35:59 -0800 (PST) From: Philipp Stephani To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.1; Git fsck fails with elpa.git Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 16:35:51 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) $ LC_ALL=C git clone git://git.sv.gnu.org/emacs/elpa.git Cloning into 'elpa'... remote: Counting objects: 106521, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (35625/35625), done. error: object 2699d230e3b592ae42506d7b5c969a7ac6a4593c: zeroPaddedFilemode: contains zero-padded file modes fatal: Error in object fatal: index-pack failed This happens when the option transfer.fsckObjects is true. 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Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message dired format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec password-cache epg epg-config gnus-util mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util help-fns help-mode easymenu cl-loaddefs pcase cl-lib mail-prsvr mail-utils time-date mule-util tooltip eldoc electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel ns-win ucs-normalize term/common-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese charscript case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer cl-preloaded nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote kqueue cocoa ns multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 196166 8306) (symbols 48 19634 0) (miscs 40 50 169) (strings 32 15023 5902) (string-bytes 1 435274) (vectors 16 32909) (vector-slots 8 654000 5657) (floats 8 158 15) (intervals 56 210 0) (buffers 976 18)) ------------=_1520216702-22954-3-- From unknown Sun Aug 17 22:09:24 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22690: ELPA repository is corrupted on Savannah Resent-From: Paul Eggert Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 17:34:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22690 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: rms@gnu.org Cc: 22690@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22690-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22690.152027122119029 (code B ref 22690); Mon, 05 Mar 2018 17:34:02 +0000 Received: (at 22690) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Mar 2018 17:33:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46158 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1estzZ-0004wr-6R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2018 12:33:41 -0500 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:38636) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1estzX-0004wd-Ix for 22690@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2018 12:33:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C47C160E5B; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id xJV9IzDndqlg; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DAF1615D3; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:33:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id HnLxoXDdZCcc; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF9A0160E5B; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:33:32 -0800 (PST) References: <56C25E86.9090600@cs.ucla.edu> <2c5eea7f-57cd-7b52-9373-42333f77ee79@cs.ucla.edu> From: Paul Eggert Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:33:32 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) On 03/05/2018 05:11 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > What is the problem? The idea that there is no way to > fix it is somewhat shocking. As I understand it the problem is that the repository data uses a Git format that was a mistake and has been deprecated in later Git releases. Current versions of Git do not generate this mistaken format, and optionally warn if they discover it in the repository (the mistaken format still works otherwise). Our repository contains data that was generated by an older Git that had the bug. We could work around the problem by rewriting history, something that is a pain to do with Git (and which arguably is not something we should do, which is why I wrote the somewhat-misleading "the bug cannot be fixed"). We'd rather not work around the problem in this particular case as it's not worth the trouble. From unknown Sun Aug 17 22:09:24 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22690: ELPA repository is corrupted on Savannah Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 23:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22690 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Paul Eggert Cc: 22690@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 22690-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22690.152029111915343 (code B ref 22690); Mon, 05 Mar 2018 23:06:01 +0000 Received: (at 22690) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Mar 2018 23:05:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46419 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eszAV-0003zP-6o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2018 18:05:19 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55059) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eszAT-0003zD-Re for 22690@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2018 18:05:18 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eszAN-0005Zz-Pv for 22690@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2018 18:05:12 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35508) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eszAM-0005YV-5f; Mon, 05 Mar 2018 18:05:10 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eszAL-0005Oj-KR; Mon, 05 Mar 2018 18:05:09 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: (message from Paul Eggert on Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:33:32 -0800) References: <56C25E86.9090600@cs.ucla.edu> <2c5eea7f-57cd-7b52-9373-42333f77ee79@cs.ucla.edu> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 18:05:09 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > As I understand it the problem is that the repository data uses a Git > format that was a mistake and has been deprecated in later Git releases. > Current versions of Git do not generate this mistaken format, and > optionally warn if they discover it in the repository (the mistaken > format still works otherwise). Our repository contains data that was > generated by an older Git that had the bug. What practical problems does this cause for us? Do we have another repo that we can use? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See https://stallman.org/skype.html. From unknown Sun Aug 17 22:09:24 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22690: ELPA repository is corrupted on Savannah Resent-From: Paul Eggert Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 23:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22690 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: rms@gnu.org Cc: 22690@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22690-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22690.152029236717183 (code B ref 22690); Mon, 05 Mar 2018 23:27:02 +0000 Received: (at 22690) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Mar 2018 23:26:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46434 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eszUc-0004T5-Q1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2018 18:26:06 -0500 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:57796) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eszUb-0004SU-63 for 22690@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2018 18:26:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C52B1615A9; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id xISn3Zb-S2Dv; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8DC41615D3; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:25:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Hu64oZ0yB9IK; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9018B1615A9; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:25:58 -0800 (PST) References: <56C25E86.9090600@cs.ucla.edu> <2c5eea7f-57cd-7b52-9373-42333f77ee79@cs.ucla.edu> From: Paul Eggert Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <82c51c71-5b0b-6236-4e3b-7bf9cb97aa4c@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:25:58 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) On 03/05/2018 03:05 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > What practical problems does this cause for us? > > Do we have another repo that we can use? The only practical problem that I know of is that if one tells Git to complain about the mistaken format, it'll complain. I suppose that a future version of Git could drop support for the mistaken format, but I view that as unlikely; and if it does happen we can work around the problem then. It's not a question of whether to use Git or not, or whether to use another copy of the repository or not. Any simple Git clone of the current repository will have the same problem. Converting to any other repository format (e.g., Bzr) would be equivalent to converting to current Git format; either action would work around the problem equally well. Either action would also be a hassle, though, which is why we haven't done it. From unknown Sun Aug 17 22:09:24 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22690: ELPA repository is corrupted on Savannah Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2018 20:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22690 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Paul Eggert Cc: 22690@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 22690-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22690.152036953517131 (code B ref 22690); Tue, 06 Mar 2018 20:53:01 +0000 Received: (at 22690) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Mar 2018 20:52:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48069 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1etJZH-0004SF-BP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2018 15:52:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58692) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1etJZG-0004S3-86 for 22690@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2018 15:52:14 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etJZA-0007U5-5t for 22690@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2018 15:52:09 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:55327) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1etJZ8-0007Qe-9N; Tue, 06 Mar 2018 15:52:06 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1etJZ7-0002F1-Su; Tue, 06 Mar 2018 15:52:05 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <82c51c71-5b0b-6236-4e3b-7bf9cb97aa4c@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:25:58 -0800) References: <56C25E86.9090600@cs.ucla.edu> <2c5eea7f-57cd-7b52-9373-42333f77ee79@cs.ucla.edu> <82c51c71-5b0b-6236-4e3b-7bf9cb97aa4c@cs.ucla.edu> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2018 15:52:05 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The only practical problem that I know of is that if one tells Git to > complain about the mistaken format, it'll complain. I suppose that a > future version of Git could drop support for the mistaken format, but I > view that as unlikely; and if it does happen we can work around the > problem then. Thanks. I agree that we don't need to do anything now. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See https://stallman.org/skype.html.