From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 15 12:46:20 2016 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Feb 2016 17:46:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40387 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aVNE4-0005QG-CD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:46:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45046) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aVNE1-0005Po-B2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:46:17 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVNDv-0004oD-1E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:46:12 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:38233) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVNDu-0004o6-TR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:46:10 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35980) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVNDt-0004bh-Kl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:46:10 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVNDs-0004mL-Ao for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:46:09 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56016) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVNDr-0004mF-WB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:46:08 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aVNDr-0007Vf-Ga; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:46:07 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:46:07 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) The doc string of auto-composition-mode says: ====================================================================== With a prefix argument ARG, enable Auto Composition mode if ARG is positive, and disable it otherwise. If called from Lisp, enable the mode if ARG is omitted or nil. ====================================================================== The doc string suggests (but does not clearly say) that ARG present and non-nil disables the mode. In fact, using M-:, (auto-composition-mode t) enables the mode. (auto-composition-mode 0) disables the mode. (auto-composition-mode 1) enables it. It seems this calls for a doc string fix, or a code fix. Maybe this command is generated by a macro; the macro may need fixing too. In GNU Emacs 25.1.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.23) of 2015-12-25 Repository revision: 608b15d59d08ff7054fdc5458d1d2ae54dd043e2 System Description: Trisquel GNU/Linux 7.0, Belenos Configured using: 'configure 'CFLAGS=-g -O0'' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG SOUND GPM DBUS GCONF GSETTINGS NOTIFY LIBXML2 FREETYPE M17N_FLT LIBOTF XFT ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK2 X11 Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Emacs-Lisp Minor modes in effect: diff-auto-refine-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t gpm-mouse-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t abbrev-mode: t Recent messages: Type C-x 1 to delete the help window. Mark activated nil Making completion list... Mark set t Global-Auto-Composition mode disabled in current buffer Load-path shadows: None found. 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See stallman.org/skype.html. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 15 14:50:32 2016 Received: (at 22683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Feb 2016 19:50:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40470 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aVPAG-0001nE-Bm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 14:50:32 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48761) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aVPAF-0001mz-5n for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 14:50:31 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVPA5-0001QR-8t for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 14:50:26 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58411) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVPA5-0001QN-5X for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 14:50:21 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2114 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aVP9t-0006HI-Vt; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 14:50:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 21:50:17 +0200 Message-Id: <83twl9wy6e.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:46:07 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#22683: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683 Cc: 22683@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Richard Stallman > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:46:07 -0500 > > > The doc string of auto-composition-mode says: > > ====================================================================== > With a prefix argument ARG, enable Auto Composition mode if ARG > is positive, and disable it otherwise. If called from Lisp, > enable the mode if ARG is omitted or nil. > ====================================================================== > > The doc string suggests (but does not clearly say) that ARG present > and non-nil disables the mode. > > In fact, using M-:, (auto-composition-mode t) enables the mode. > (auto-composition-mode 0) disables the mode. > (auto-composition-mode 1) enables it. > > It seems this calls for a doc string fix, or a code fix. We say these things for every mode, so this issue is not specific to this particular mode. I believe the fix is to add "also" to the last sentence (as in "also enable the mode if ..."), but is this really so serious to require changes in hundreds of doc strings? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 16 17:47:16 2016 Received: (at 22683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2016 22:47:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38578 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aVoOp-0002Wf-O2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:47:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37263) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aVoOo-0002WQ-5P for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:47:14 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVoOi-0003mA-AV for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:47:09 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36419) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVoOi-0003m6-72 for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:47:08 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aVoOh-0000fj-IN; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:47:07 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <83twl9wy6e.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Mon, 15 Feb 2016 21:50:17 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#22683: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode References: <83twl9wy6e.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:47:07 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683 Cc: 22683@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] The words > If called from Lisp, > > enable the mode if ARG is omitted or nil. seem to mean, "If the arg is omitted or nil, enable the mode; otherwise disable it." I was surprised by the actual behavior. Does that text come from a macro? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 17 14:54:28 2016 Received: (at 22683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Feb 2016 19:54:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59983 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aW8BA-0001Qj-MG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:54:28 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59080) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aW8B9-0001QY-U3 for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:54:28 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aW8B1-0005lu-PP for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:54:22 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59525) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aW8B1-0005lq-M3 for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:54:19 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4865 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aW8Au-0001TR-8Q; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:54:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 21:54:26 +0200 Message-Id: <83fuwrun7x.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:47:07 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#22683: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode References: <83twl9wy6e.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683 Cc: 22683@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Richard Stallman > CC: 22683@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:47:07 -0500 > > The words > > > If called from Lisp, > > > enable the mode if ARG is omitted or nil. > > seem to mean, "If the arg is omitted or nil, enable the mode; > otherwise disable it." I was surprised by the actual behavior. Yes, the text is ambiguous. > Does that text come from a macro? No, it comes from the call to define-minor-mode. Problem is, this is a standard wording we have in more than 200 modes in Emacs. If we want to change that, we need to change all of them. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 19 07:34:40 2016 Received: (at 22683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2016 12:34:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33555 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aWkGe-0007EM-04 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 07:34:40 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50418) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aWkGc-0007EA-78 for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 07:34:38 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aWkGW-0003sC-9v for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 07:34:33 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53916) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aWkGW-0003s4-6P for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 07:34:32 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aWkGS-0003xt-I7; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 07:34:28 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <83fuwrun7x.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 17 Feb 2016 21:54:26 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#22683: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode References: <83twl9wy6e.fsf@gnu.org> <83fuwrun7x.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 07:34:28 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683 Cc: 22683@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > No, it comes from the call to define-minor-mode. Problem is, this is > a standard wording we have in more than 200 modes in Emacs. If we > want to change that, we need to change all of them. It is not a herculean labor to change 200 similar strings. What are all the argument values that enable these modes? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 19 10:26:28 2016 Received: (at 22683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2016 15:26:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34181 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aWmwu-0002w4-5i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:26:28 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39925) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aWmwt-0002vr-J4 for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:26:27 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aWmwj-00078v-En for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:26:22 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:32924) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aWmwj-00078r-Bh for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:26:17 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3896 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aWmwY-0007Z2-Dw; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:26:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 17:25:56 +0200 Message-Id: <83y4agrabf.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Fri, 19 Feb 2016 07:34:28 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#22683: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode References: <83twl9wy6e.fsf@gnu.org> <83fuwrun7x.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683 Cc: 22683@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Richard Stallman > CC: 22683@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 07:34:28 -0500 > > What are all the argument values that enable these modes? Non-positive disables, 'toggle' toggles, anything else enables. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 20 09:29:02 2016 Received: (at 22683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Feb 2016 14:29:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34714 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aX8Ws-0007Et-B8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:29:02 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43044) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aX8Wq-0007EP-HZ for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:29:00 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aX8Wk-00083x-Fj for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:28:55 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:34369) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aX8Wk-00083t-Co for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:28:54 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aX8Wj-0006IJ-MO; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:28:53 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <83y4agrabf.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 19 Feb 2016 17:25:56 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#22683: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode References: <83twl9wy6e.fsf@gnu.org> <83fuwrun7x.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4agrabf.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:28:53 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683 Cc: 22683@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Non-positive disables, 'toggle' toggles, anything else enables. How about using this doc string text? Is this accurate and clear? When calling from Lisp, 0 or a negative number disables the mode, 'toggle' toggles it, any other argument enables it. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 20 09:45:27 2016 Received: (at 22683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Feb 2016 14:45:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34719 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aX8ml-0007dp-Nd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:45:27 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51361) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aX8mk-0007dP-GT for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:45:26 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aX8mc-0006Es-9K for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:45:21 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:34926) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aX8mc-0006Eo-65 for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:45:18 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1804 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aX8mU-0000f6-Mg; Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:45:11 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:44:56 +0200 Message-Id: <83r3g7o2zb.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:28:53 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#22683: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode References: <83twl9wy6e.fsf@gnu.org> <83fuwrun7x.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4agrabf.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683 Cc: 22683@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Richard Stallman > CC: 22683@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:28:53 -0500 > > > Non-positive disables, 'toggle' toggles, anything else enables. > > How about using this doc string text? Is this accurate and clear? > > When calling from Lisp, 0 or a negative number disables the mode, > 'toggle' toggles it, any other argument enables it. It's accurate and clear to me, yes. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 21 07:45:03 2016 Received: (at 22683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Feb 2016 12:45:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35883 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aXTNn-0002CO-IZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2016 07:45:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36205) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aXTNl-0002Be-Uz for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2016 07:45:02 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aXTNg-0002Qa-1k for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2016 07:44:56 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60436) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aXTNf-0002QW-Un for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2016 07:44:55 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aXTNf-0005Cf-1P; Sun, 21 Feb 2016 07:44:55 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <83r3g7o2zb.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:44:56 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#22683: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode References: <83twl9wy6e.fsf@gnu.org> <83fuwrun7x.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4agrabf.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3g7o2zb.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 07:44:55 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683 Cc: 22683@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > When calling from Lisp, 0 or a negative number disables the mode, > > 'toggle' toggles it, any other argument enables it. > It's accurate and clear to me, yes. Does anyone have a criicism? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 24 20:06:48 2021 Received: (at 22683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 00:06:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59559 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTvDM-0005NU-L5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 20:06:48 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f182.google.com ([209.85.215.182]:33621) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTvDJ-0005N3-Fa for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 20:06:47 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f182.google.com with SMTP id y186so29575pgd.0 for <22683@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 17:06:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6KTj5uJ3iUaFbTJnGb4YulsBTt99+Lsdw9qrJ7MPy0Q=; b=Ja4U60i3gSzP38SXYpkgZl+tyhUQGXpPjh3NQdnO5tfhNXatLeRinmtymkNFVLEkVO HIMdf99VCJK3NLCFHqgfzFwMkZItFo/TkW2pTQFCT/FXxC1UcBBUB88G9Z5gQ4s2/GmC R2oteygi+OFt6nZktD0ujjH/sfjWr71+Drh4y/LVJrB6Nbg+nUUy6WbDkKtTfBOdrhRH tWAtpb58Rzcoo7Yd0NjrCWYAyqHKNWWRTj/Snuq0gdLaUY1mnirAe03ovY1OWTJwEJrA OfLX1/dUuI0ga6j59uLMdI7dgWnGYjq7ufG0dnHTbqqwVi1PLTqe6iaifoOxYxPDrLyC h7tA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530P7RT88h4dRe3nR3I0BYZLe3kLLRDGFZ5uFQW6lA7HMb3UhCFd PltLZSKS98XsO39RCv5EyBA126HHApXPFImxsis= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzVKj0NO8p284IH7eoc4Ia5sLfCmYeAe/6eRTTkNbTboMmnBMUl7EZVQ3tnnaO2FKdNBkLD0uNklAX1Z8g8ctU= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:9e90:0:b0:43f:2abb:a504 with SMTP id p16-20020aa79e90000000b0043f2abba504mr12559785pfq.35.1632528399887; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 17:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 17:06:39 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:46:07 -0500") References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 17:06:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#22683: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode To: Richard Stallman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 22683@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Richard Stallman writes: > The doc string of auto-composition-mode says: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > With a prefix argument ARG, enable Auto Composition mode if ARG > is positive, and disable it otherwise. If called from Lisp, > enable the mode if ARG is omitted or nil. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The doc string suggests (but does not clearly say) that ARG present > and non-nil disables the mode. > > In fact, using M-:, (auto-composition-mode t) enables the mode. > (auto-composition-mode 0) disables the mode. > (auto-composition-mode 1) enables it. > > It seems this calls for a doc string fix, or a code fix. This text was recently changed in response to Bug#49843: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D49843 The text now says now says: ,---- | This is a minor mode. If called interactively, toggle the | =E2=80=98Auto-Composition mode=E2=80=99 mode. If the prefix argument is = positive, | enable the mode, and if it is zero or negative, disable the mode. | | If called from Lisp, toggle the mode if ARG is =E2=80=98toggle=E2=80=99. = Enable the | mode if ARG is nil, omitted, or is a positive number. Disable the | mode if ARG is a negative number. `---- Is that sufficiently clear? It doesn't say what happens if ARG is zero, so perhaps the last sentence above should be amended to say "negative number or zero". 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > It doesn't say what happens if ARG is zero, so perhaps the last sentence > above should be amended to say "negative number or zero". I think we wanted to discourage people from using zero here, which is why that's not documented. (Since it historically leads to confusion, I think.) Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683 Cc: Richard Stallman , 22683@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas writes: > It doesn't say what happens if ARG is zero, so perhaps the last sentence > above should be amended to say "negative number or zero". I think we wanted to discourage people from using zero here, which is why that's not documented. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 4d132aac-fff3-4916-d0b7-08d97fc4c761 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 25 Sep 2021 01:35:38.4143 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: V6Jnr4ne6GxKL6cBuLpV1JDlJUB4MtygUJuiZ5tm4x9izIpsYsnzshiW+WqWzuBwpO7LqkiZlgGManCAKU2K8w== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR10MB3381 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6300 definitions=10117 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=826 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2109230001 definitions=main-2109250007 X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: HAOttX7AW2DPY9Ovobf61eON4rQhrGRn X-Proofpoint-GUID: HAOttX7AW2DPY9Ovobf61eON4rQhrGRn X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683 Cc: Richard Stallman , "22683@debbugs.gnu.org" <22683@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > I think we wanted to discourage people from using zero here, Why would we want to do that? > which is why that's not documented. (Since it > historically leads to confusion, I think.) What kind of confusion? ___ FWIW, I agree with what Richard and Eli said. Simple and clear, I think. ___ Whatever's decided, it's quite important to get this right - clear text. Zillions of minor modes get defined, and their generated doc strings have long been problematic. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 24 21:54:40 2021 Received: (at 22683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 01:54:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59788 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTwtk-0000dZ-Du for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 21:54:40 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f178.google.com ([209.85.210.178]:40508) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTwti-0000dI-4h for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 21:54:39 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f178.google.com with SMTP id y8so10406998pfa.7 for <22683@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 18:54:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=72z4/anX71MwgowAlud98W46+Kf2zHXGDTastWiGuOo=; b=1LMo0xhoAQDEzt8QLNFUScquAZRdlHzq+dLkWDv3jhPhUs6S/br6zENVmdxZV56xSL g25k8OfEwsihefEFZokrSjW9Jo1RH9mnSrjpdKnHmh5vFPFr1HPOkD/pYa0Ex220VLXh 2BV9NDTp/GhYUBrcIFgd2/50sySfa32qtOC+8FZb5GPsEnWmef4JIDkgw9TBtVYyFvFY WDwWMJWNvXe+Jo7Fb96BmgnGiV/fb0rx2TgO5Gu6g6VGhtaCxMCOBo6Jkl8MjfOCDMoq /ja/l13kVRJluOQmdm39mDDRmeE8l9tpPNZjPn+I6SVDhpO0AiXYUxRcFJaiCx8Yyi08 yY9A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530UvwKN37jKqSNeYKM3rZIgOsCqk43wdeZWg4YvzWyFUXjXVFB8 6ktPVUr+wEj8NCqGU0YzipUGRtCw0K4GaSUO+oKbwJms X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyEyy33xSC4vAxobyeel8ihK+KvStr8o7xHxUOUl9wORjgWO2ez118KYN7OTYABs9pGm4j7F/S6ayRuHBmhCmA= X-Received: by 2002:a63:6941:: with SMTP id e62mr6359850pgc.114.1632534872352; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 18:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 18:54:32 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87k0j5sbmd.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87k0j5sbmd.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 18:54:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#22683: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683 Cc: Richard Stallman , 22683@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> It doesn't say what happens if ARG is zero, so perhaps the last sentence >> above should be amended to say "negative number or zero". > > I think we wanted to discourage people from using zero here, which is > why that's not documented. (Since it historically leads to confusion, I > think.) Fine by me. So should we close this bug report, or is there more to do here? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 24 22:05:05 2021 Received: (at 22683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 02:05:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59826 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTx3p-0003BB-7x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 22:05:05 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:34120) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTx3n-0003AX-UN for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 22:05:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=AOwGgHChg4SM+kwa/XLRRJhwcbdKqmh8XWhaX1kpR7g=; b=fI5TQN3gl3AdSe0O9neMuE/iUs 7l5Dyke0ciiuVn0Z2rBLRx6TU5/7OoWUJQ5ZPQnUuh2dnk28HoeCPRMhH8wtlU4VHXmG7yfemZTh1 R31umhygUeoD+gLH/PY2KLgxadrn/6mroI4GL4WYej9pYFYeLPsGfe6ABU3KcUMqwDjk=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mTx3f-0008Hz-3z; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 04:04:57 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#22683: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode References: <87k0j5sbmd.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAG1BMVEUpJisPDBBXVFp8 fYShoqe9vsTR09jw8fL////l0XS0AAAAAWJLR0QIht6VegAAAAd0SU1FB+UJGQEtJy6+30YAAAG4 SURBVDjLpdLNktowDABgJZPhbJU+QPDC9kohpVd2semV7sTh2tnB8gu09utX+bXD0lPFgYm+kSX/ QAa5lE+V0sYYpXayBMgQMwQUIKWslOK0Ou1kl+cARCG7kja/l3MopdwrdQ52XKlbCkVe5lyiHdHt DoAH+BGsIeJ8AtCCpzbehhYdIAMU3rf0G9oEihEEFCF4ct5tZ8B/DF0ce4AJFtTDpQPuNMKhcW3e HbGvyIYeQhtybZvXft9jc8RDB8GeZsAfZ8vDBm9mFTwcbqiximr1ikOMUDRElmy9+gCax/LuHR+B d3SZQTvV0jTE5368A77gSnN7k91BhplYE5lfeA/8Ew3ZN5GCKLkAyyWvRNejgAk+bfluS8mnZbX9 s5ZQwgBq/XTSujY88c2YqpDbAfan5VrzS2yCMzdbF7AaeuyKXDd8JFdvrCWT50NFO9Yz54fLpVU8 Esi/7VWlTr18nYCPf+PCFC8J4Cbmw8/pojgWMe8vacV/AT0EzzCb6kuE8BhccDP4HoHSneMhgVUK OoLNEhBqAn/DBJZ1hPcUPpt/wCICbxwiPFs3wUv3ZAc422sEwU8rw79xYN9+0S2V8QAAACV0RVh0 ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMS0wOS0yNVQwMTo0NTozOSswMDowMPvj8U0AAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9k aWZ5ADIwMjEtMDktMjVUMDE6NDU6MzkrMDA6MDCKvknxAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Bertine Zetlitz's _Beautiful So Far_: "Fate" Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 04:04:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Fri, 24 Sep 2021 18:54:32 -0700") Message-ID: <87o88hpfzt.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > So should we close this bug report, or is there more to do here? Skimming the bug report, it seems like everything's been covered, so please go ahead and close it. 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Skimming the bug report, it seems like everything's been covered, so please go ahead and close it. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 24 22:43:46 2021 Received: (at 22683-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 02:43:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59934 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTxfG-0000JN-GU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 22:43:46 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:36789) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTxfB-0000If-35 for 22683-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 22:43:41 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f169.google.com with SMTP id m26so10504484pff.3 for <22683-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:43:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0ysDPqRA0uPIT7C7Bue7kdELLaebw0rSD8GIyUUMA80=; b=tk94P70NURUxy0v+1b4cVrpfuv/9gSdT5dIBpYeDRXOmzneBrCnrlbqoFq7/UFUAdn 6yZXFhHwZ6+rJgz3IYGpynEZNurstH5wsW13qIK8Jbv/C7x1Hjhc7tHtBuzThBlgdqP6 j3AO2SbLb4OaDv0soKQGWZKz5aMduus/Seqz/ow8hxQoffLElIITo+o3wlzJRGTIPFgd +zBbJLIBGXnycWTGbgtMSSB0nsCscU86q24e8VViwBxUHrO3KM6EdhAmEoKn6M/Uw/C9 IS6y16kxamrJ/2KmJgTtOePwyephrruYMu3i6wz32Mbu7Hzp0CTw/hTODx+mTuNO106F IoZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533l7sllJz/SNfMq7/y5WOYMtI7hUInH4vUjB140zT7lQAUTYgCV /6QXka0Gp531xj5b4nIRHvRDaGy0gDbnjNIABAM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzq5vjLMsqp84CPmllKGMQRwgo0kwvpMjI+XEsmN1lsV5TbINV3+1/2FrnMV4tEtenD38hWiKpgUfp0wILRzxw= X-Received: by 2002:a63:6941:: with SMTP id e62mr6500587pgc.114.1632537815462; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:43:35 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87o88hpfzt.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87k0j5sbmd.fsf@gnus.org> <87o88hpfzt.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:43:35 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#22683: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683-done Cc: Richard Stallman , 22683-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> So should we close this bug report, or is there more to do here? > > Skimming the bug report, it seems like everything's been covered, so > please go ahead and close it. Done. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 26 07:53:53 2021 Received: (at 22683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 11:53:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36074 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUSjB-0007iO-CP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 07:53:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38456) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUSj7-0007i5-1L for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 07:53:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45670) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUSj1-0000pw-Fz; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 07:53:43 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUSiy-00036n-L1; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 07:53:40 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 24 Sep 2021 17:06:39 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#22683: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode References: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 07:53:40 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 22683@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > | If called from Lisp, toggle the mode if ARG is ‘toggle’. Enable the > | mode if ARG is nil, omitted, or is a positive number. Disable the > | mode if ARG is a negative number. > `---- > Is that sufficiently clear? Yes, but > It doesn't say what happens if ARG is zero, so perhaps the last sentence > above should be amended to say "negative number or zero". I think it should not leave zero an undocumented mystery. If we want to discourage it (though I don't follow why), let's say "Don't use zero as argument." Otherwise, let's say what zero means as argument. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 26 08:46:10 2021 Received: (at 22683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 12:46:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36104 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUTXm-0000fq-H0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 08:46:10 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f172.google.com ([209.85.210.172]:36407) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUTXl-0000fe-Hs for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 08:46:09 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f172.google.com with SMTP id m26so13208023pff.3 for <22683@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 05:46:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wHCCEcO0Llnmgy8EgNhJ78eA0bRN8sJRdHALMKUN2JU=; b=iuk2FWBkIkHvGzMeO4HOf3GMPbnWJ+WWXkqUTgb4xtNa5z2bAQ1Pi9O39NbUh+PBDM tyANFKXORxI1Iagc42W5DMQhDBgLOh1x2j/Bn5N142f0NMka+RwQS5GBgfXH3cZus53z T9iEs29LGqo9tSO1qonk0btC14BgofbHcr88qdWpiTADHKiOIKI2oTWyrcbUbXyPIKp9 FwPEpLPx0weYY2R92GbpDwqqZ7I1aspt9vZFzIrmeeweKzpZC9DgrHNYUFgaODFMrkiX cHIbpR8q0+25PZXqAy3pYXCNqhbfrHnGAKZO0BxlQzbSgazo+M3U/KF4KrBdzpe11O5H xgIw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531vnvAjNvgKbnZ4YgWwo/TDchzoBLBqqK4uRs+VMTmFABmmGVa7 utx04u0qul9GBA6MDg3PryTF20dy2xOjSL5UIBM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxOyUq0kX59XJKw52DEpwGAc9LuU8MNbTKlWOlCUwmXlog2mEu+x6ttoIBVGpuNWuVh1myg4mwCRPSVqdCBy4I= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:1586:b0:447:b30c:4a65 with SMTP id u6-20020a056a00158600b00447b30c4a65mr18339685pfk.0.1632660363656; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 05:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 05:46:03 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 05:46:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#22683: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 22683@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Richard Stallman writes: > > Is that sufficiently clear? > > Yes, but > > > It doesn't say what happens if ARG is zero, so perhaps the last sentence > > above should be amended to say "negative number or zero". > > I think it should not leave zero an undocumented mystery. If we want > to discourage it (though I don't follow why), let's say "Don't use > zero as argument." Otherwise, let's say what zero means as argument. That makes sense to me. I have no opinion on whether or not we should allow it, so I'll leave it to someone else to decide what to do here. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 26 16:28:07 2021 Received: (at 22683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 20:28:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38812 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUakp-0006KF-7t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 16:28:07 -0400 Received: from mr85p00im-ztdg06021701.me.com ([17.58.23.196]:53435) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUakn-0006JU-HE for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 16:28:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=me.com; s=1a1hai; t=1632688080; bh=AUb/H9EdsSRAAJIhrbweoF6iU3hMAlYg6Noo3sn7kf0=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MpRS3X6g8HLwl6ZzLZpUDQe0TlGlxrmcwwmzk2S0aLwYY16YGVK1ngk02ar0NiJRC 8H/PM7CJYbNohGdCGzme2V9R7fc5l93clRI+NvgSpvGKIn4JvjhXvvLkIaZ8HHcdjW fGjt/hA6AjG90J2+jinNXQYWBmwgAQinmOst8+u/ODWDpZJcfOiIKELarjah3QqbNY MjE3bvpa6i+F47QRo5XbNRaN9zMM5RUTygD8D4goHG/w2dUJNQ9uifN6dN71Q51+Wd dMf5I2VN+33nc4QAUwGFU1HhkDWn1MDJmCbzZjftRQfRc93OZgQ2OBaGxi1bR7/ufy NrqZoQzKoEPDA== Received: from Workstation.local (78-141-116-131.dynamic.orange.sk [78.141.116.131]) by mr85p00im-ztdg06021701.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C5440A004A5; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 20:27:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Rudolf =?utf-8?Q?Adamkovi=C4=8D?= To: Stefan Kangas , Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#22683: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 22:27:55 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: =?UTF-8?Q?vendor=3Dfsecure_engine=3D1.1.170-22c6f66c430a71ce266a39bfe25bc?= =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.391,18.0.790,17.0.607.475.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2021-09-26=5F07:2021-09-24=5F02,2021-09-26=5F07,2020-04-07?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F01_signatures=3D0?= X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=888 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2109260145 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 22683@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > It doesn't say what happens if ARG is zero, so perhaps the last=20 > sentence above should be amended to say "negative number or=20 > zero".=20 By the law of trichotomy, every real number is either positive,=20 negative, or zero. Thus, if a real number is not positive, it must=20 be either negative or zero. It follows that it suffices to say: "If called from Lisp, toggle the mode if ARG is =E2=80=98toggle=E2=80=99. = Enable=20 the mode if ARG is nil, omitted, or is a positive number. Disable=20 the mode otherwise." Clear and precise. R+ --=20 Programming reliably --- must be an activity of an undeniably=20 mathematical nature [...] You see, mathematics is about thinking,=20 and doing mathematics is always trying to think as well as=20 possible. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra (1981) Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D=20 Studenohorsk=C3=A1 25 84103 Bratislava Slovakia=20 [he/him] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 27 00:42:28 2021 Received: (at 22683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2021 04:42:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39380 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUiTE-0004bU-5h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:42:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52236) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUiTB-0004bH-TK for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:42:26 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42980) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUiT6-0003cU-BD; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:42:20 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4332 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUiSo-0001PG-Qh; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:42:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 07:42:06 +0300 Message-Id: <83k0j2mxy9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Rudolf =?utf-8?Q?Adamkovi=C4=8D?= In-Reply-To: (bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org) Subject: Re: bug#22683: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode References: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefan@marxist.se, rms@gnu.org, 22683@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 22683@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 22:27:55 +0200 > From: Rudolf Adamkovič via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > the Swiss army knife of text editors" > > By the law of trichotomy, every real number is either positive, > negative, or zero. Thus, if a real number is not positive, it must > be either negative or zero. It follows that it suffices to say: > > "If called from Lisp, toggle the mode if ARG is ‘toggle’. Enable > the mode if ARG is nil, omitted, or is a positive number. Disable > the mode otherwise." > > Clear and precise. Thanks. We don't always expect our users to be proficient in theoretical logics. So sometimes we prefer to make things clear even for those who aren't. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 27 10:10:11 2021 Received: (at 22683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2021 14:10:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42181 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUrKd-00079X-Bu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 10:10:11 -0400 Received: from pv50p00im-zteg10011501.me.com ([17.58.6.42]:55673) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUrKb-00079D-Hi for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 10:10:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=me.com; s=1a1hai; t=1632751804; bh=r0zgn0Xm5wikK8MyI1vXibY1oEoqxKAnO4Pt0uM0Pro=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VSTImuUlVr55CnXQ3D67YHnZt+JVsY7zcyEFz86qHXityzJif6uhMPx6dQi7yJNl/ j2g426AEoy3DdQ+AfdhcRT1JVCA3k56s12cYUdCO49cifzvbAHhOMXztOoTakLeYYK NYeNIvlPlVD8Vw8oWzffsBjTeRPg2Rmu5hoEoVa3tHlfb496XdiNpSBewEL83JQSYO 28eCv+/gKdqU1YKjUwFRAe8rB9mawVgcwBdIDBAhfluFJpEK5l2m8rIHg5zjDk+f6Y bChzdwq2tmZ8pul+XuhySe5tYPmmvgjLGjHyzzlA2iM/Xh5/MH6Rm5t+h6iPoiej5X /wBW3vJbivvwQ== Received: from Workstation.local (78-141-116-131.dynamic.orange.sk [78.141.116.131]) by pv50p00im-zteg10011501.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C910CB0059E; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 14:09:59 +0000 (UTC) From: Rudolf =?utf-8?Q?Adamkovi=C4=8D?= To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#22683: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode In-Reply-To: <83k0j2mxy9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83k0j2mxy9.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 16:09:56 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.391, 18.0.790 definitions=2021-09-27_06:2021-09-24, 2021-09-27 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=723 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2009150000 definitions=main-2109270098 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefan@marxist.se, rms@gnu.org, 22683@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > We don't always expect our users to be proficient in theoretical=20 > logics. Interesting. From my experience, young children in elementary=20 school can follow the logic behind "if positive, =E2=80=A6 otherwise =E2=80= =A6" A=20 plain, well-placed "otherwise" simplifies the involved "if=20 positive =E2=80=A6 if negative or zero =E2=80=A6" statement, no? Either way= , I=20 agree with RMS that we should account for the entire set of=20 integers with perfect clarity, one way or the other. BTW, other modes in Emacs have the same problem. From=20 "global-visual-line-mode" help: > Enable the mode if ARG is nil, omitted, or is a positive number.=20 > Disable the mode if ARG is a negative number. R+ --=20 Programming reliably --- must be an activity of an undeniably=20 mathematical nature [...] You see, mathematics is about thinking,=20 and doing mathematics is always trying to think as well as=20 possible. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra (1981) Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D=20 Studenohorsk=C3=A1 25 84103 Bratislava Slovakia=20 [he/him] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 27 10:34:26 2021 Received: (at 22683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2021 14:34:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42314 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUri6-0007xw-0w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 10:34:26 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f43.google.com ([209.85.216.43]:54810) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUri4-0007xi-JS for 22683@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 10:34:24 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f43.google.com with SMTP id me1so12569987pjb.4 for <22683@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 07:34:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=piK57otp3jDxph7qDHycvg9nwjphDCcNZQ27BtYk5sc=; b=Sm8CKCljZUr0pNoZPwZAvK8kF56ALziPm/pIl5PtE+HGLlHn74fhU1Dk4NKG2TLl/8 5Kg2LdeILpKB2iBSoXn120EbXpyR5yghJnRA8vKIeKnHgzT3Bvbcp27ER+/MmgatFH3n JEu/ET/CogRcBNivc9kBQMWAYLFVWMalkou07E7XzgqZcNJiATLj9wYxeYIb1u5OiVH7 ++1F6Zn9zYop1YTuGbKqKZ4+nDoiGvOZhQFZ8IaRSUOQobE3wzJ8NYHA9j7qn1LEPhmS TXEhC+L5Cz/2kGqtxiNr0wBTRDTnKWv8O1FBtziLL/tT9wihFc/WuxJA+K0ihcG6gV+R 2jBQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Q5HghFu4ml63YHTfjaamPQmeA9OkM56ROb16TBmCtLWuUpiuC zBzJvIKqFwrE1++2o2SqdmRdLIQr/Ptgf8gweiI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJySeinvkyQEECiFaEeGvcrGqG5SWyNiTAbBrACf3ncze4hT3mC25xVkC3NFA3BFzggW5y3XnMiK+PpH8o7FsQY= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:3805:: with SMTP id mq5mr20228713pjb.143.1632753258877; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 07:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 07:34:18 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: References: <83k0j2mxy9.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 07:34:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#22683: 25.1.50; auto-composition-mode To: =?UTF-8?Q?Rudolf_Adamkovi=C4=8D?= , Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22683 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rms@gnu.org, 22683@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D writes: > BTW, other modes in Emacs have the same problem. From > "global-visual-line-mode" help: That's because that text is auto-generated by `define-minor-mode'. On current master, that text is: Toggle Visual-Line mode in all buffers. With prefix ARG, enable Global Visual-Line mode if ARG is positive; otherwise, disable it. If called from Lisp, toggle the mode if ARG is =E2=80=98toggle=E2=80=99= . Enable the mode if ARG is nil, omitted, or is a positive number. Disable the mode if ARG is a negative number. From unknown Tue Jun 24 22:36:45 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 11:24:11 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator