From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:04:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22670: Upgrading Emacs Packages and Pay What You Want Resent-From: Joshua Branson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 23:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 22670 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 22670@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.145549075415295 (code B ref -1); Sun, 14 Feb 2016 23:00:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2016 22:59:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39166 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aV5dK-0003yd-23 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:59:14 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41029) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aV5Yt-0003qS-Pi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:54:40 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aV5Ym-0008S6-7X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:54:34 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,HTML_MESSAGE, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:38615) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aV5Ym-0008S2-4G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:54:32 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60215) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aV5Yj-0007jy-Cx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:54:32 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aV5Yf-0008QZ-0w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:54:29 -0500 Received: from mail-ig0-x229.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c05::229]:38065) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aV5Ye-0008QR-Qb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:54:24 -0500 Received: by mail-ig0-x229.google.com with SMTP id y8so43952144igp.1 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 2016 14:54:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=setyourwaypoint-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-type; bh=Zmt6Cc34WUzxSxYR/CywT29LuN4mj75ockOGIS1MG2w=; b=lBmsmPw45948unvCUSW2TafL4RpI0Pw2EHnbILocsG74WXJVnLXZW0SRstoPCWERrc qc+pVBQM4gOZoiWfwpDOq5XPJkH6s96nV6Jo0NZNovQlxwt9pd7xDBNDmfFeVMn65jxd rDgzwepac9jB99BjY8o/uZLOYdvrBkqY8Y9LLkjgedXVOkaGCV4ztL3Sv3aHgA8ooNCB yuc8O5AQVxYAGRGlLd5FsFnXkmvcUuXfvvoraV0zfP4k3NMfIVDbgEsMQ84wECfMBE0m V5AQ1GtYi1w7s/+GcBeMe9sWNrK+yV/mcEFKTx5Ori6W32CrjCrmClcIf5PrzROrkXMw gLQA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=Zmt6Cc34WUzxSxYR/CywT29LuN4mj75ockOGIS1MG2w=; b=ioJt4eS1XHF0ysQBnScs1AY1qEScnePeO0Fet1KH6Z0rEkL2R6pGlfJmKszU3y74oi XQ32j6bYYe4EcTrkFru8L9tkYfhJMmJ77eO2xHTZnyYUZugsqfLFNRDfNis+6tRN3z/D mVhV4UKTqzZDmlumg33HAnqiTYi+M6xt3VhAeCaOpWHoXrRiorg/vwXPyh7SDZYC2K7i q/PQfgBStAece1dcbiaHcx7U1PSiFXgQsl2qQ99zq+sodL2UV/fkAwXHFUE57C4nlHyA 8ZMf0iHRhmeu+gtYbHg9lTad0aHmVIyLw5wC86ETE4qzsKmpjtgJFfk4dSXHfkI2sk6k 7V9A== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOSLcSR4EON2WQD5d6TYYN4L3VFYuiJJY1y72PSQDtf27qmQtD8Xa3fXBSv0pF1/Gw== X-Received: by 10.50.132.6 with SMTP id oq6mr9715502igb.32.1455490463809; Sun, 14 Feb 2016 14:54:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from arch ([72.12.220.132]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h131sm10958851ioe.7.2016.02.14.14.54.22 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 14 Feb 2016 14:54:23 -0800 (PST) From: Joshua Branson X-Google-Original-From: Joshua Branson Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:54:22 -0500 Message-ID: <87vb5qkin5.fsf@setyourwaypoint.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-=-=" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:59:12 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Hello, With the recent news of the Magit maintainer taking a well deserved break from emacs hacking, I suggest that Emacs's package management implements a pay what you want/can model. Essentially, is it possible to create a pay-what-you-want.el package, that will store your payment credentials, and allow users to seamlessly give tiny donations to emacs developers on certain updates: ie: a new version of a package came out (Gnus 10.0), or emacs now implements threads, or emacs can now understand mental commands? I envision this package working as follows (but by no means am I dictating how it has to work): When these important milestones are reached, emacs would prompt you before downloading the package to pay what you want for these updates. Kickstarter, Indegogo, humble Indie Bundle, etc, have all proven that pay what you want can be successful, and this change would hopefully encourage users to donate more to emacs development, which in turn would foster continued improvements to Emacs (and possibly GNU and the FSF). P.S. Perhaps GNU Guix could do the same thing, and I also suggest that the documents at GNU.org also should be pay what you want. --
Joshua Branson WayPoint Web Developer jbranso.me Sent From Emacs [[https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/]] --=-=-= Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="==-=-=" --==-=-= Content-Type: text/html

Hello,

With the recent news of the Magit maintainer taking a well deserved
break from emacs hacking, I suggest that Emacs's package management
implements a pay what you want/can model. Essentially, is it possible
to create a pay-what-you-want.el package, that will store your payment
credentials, and allow users to seamlessly give tiny donations to emacs
developers on certain updates: ie: a new version of a package came out
(Gnus 10.0), or emacs now implements threads, or emacs can now
understand mental commands? I envision this package working as follows
(but by no means am I dictating how it has to work): When these
important milestones are reached, emacs would prompt you before
downloading the package to pay what you want for these updates.

Kickstarter, Indegogo, humble Indie Bundle, etc, have all proven that
pay what you want can be successful, and this change would hopefully
encourage users to donate more to emacs development, which in turn would
foster continued improvements to Emacs (and possibly GNU and the FSF).

P.S. Perhaps GNU Guix could do the same thing, and I also suggest that
the documents at GNU.org also should be pay what you want.

–
<hr>
Joshua Branson
WayPoint
Web Developer
jbranso.me
Sent From Emacs
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

--==-=-=-- --=-=-=-- From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:04:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22670: Upgrading Emacs Packages and Pay What You Want Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 17:45:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22670 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Joshua Branson Cc: 22670@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 22670-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22670.145555826820620 (code B ref 22670); Mon, 15 Feb 2016 17:45:01 +0000 Received: (at 22670) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Feb 2016 17:44:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40380 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aVNCF-0005MV-M6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:44:27 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43656) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aVNCE-0005MJ-M5 for 22670@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:44:26 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVNC8-0003xu-Ji for 22670@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:44:21 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:55915) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVNC7-0003xc-1a; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:44:19 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aVNC6-0006zc-G6; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:44:18 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <87vb5qkin5.fsf@setyourwaypoint.com> (message from Joshua Branson on Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:54:22 -0500) References: <87vb5qkin5.fsf@setyourwaypoint.com> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:44:18 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Essentially, is it possible > to create a pay-what-you-want.el package, that will store your payment > credentials, and allow users to seamlessly give tiny donations to emacs > developers on certain updates: ie: a new version of a package came out > (Gnus 10.0), or emacs now implements threads, or emacs can now > understand mental commands? I envision this package working as follows > (but by no means am I dictating how it has to work): When these > important milestones are reached, emacs would prompt you before > downloading the package to pay what you want for these updates. It's a fine idea. The hard part is how to do the payments. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:04:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22670: Upgrading Emacs Packages and Pay What You Want Resent-From: Joshua Branson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 01:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22670 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Richard Stallman Cc: 22670@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22670-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22670.145558517210261 (code B ref 22670); Tue, 16 Feb 2016 01:13:02 +0000 Received: (at 22670) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2016 01:12:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40609 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aVUCC-0002fQ-0m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 20:12:52 -0500 Received: from mail-io0-f181.google.com ([209.85.223.181]:35900) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aVSYv-0000A9-7h for 22670@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:28:13 -0500 Received: by mail-io0-f181.google.com with SMTP id l127so173177408iof.3 for <22670@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:28:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=setyourwaypoint-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=YyjhYbV2BD2p6OAO/xABUeWT/yMYxpWDJnAMCyt8PJk=; b=foaF+AuRPLkX+OAcJSuna0QFiLx+t8DAl+ghxjmfeMQ6v0CoB0nJlCqdfUjXe/oaEU 1DmyJfLfRfq/eIQ7OjFNpK3t7StNbmYVlhNJXdU1ri2TN2JxEmtYkfoNEZdnxaJJEi4n s4I46hbTNA2sN0za1sR9EW8gjIdIqAYgUyJm5h7hxzXQMAu3dBzVfPS5yXzJDnZLaAKi HjdWk/FpIANpX3kIyc3JWiAp7cquKJBNGMxSM1CM5OUFtXU4Zp+xQN1JTYm3dy7wz5wm xIIjUCCXZDiLx/+9kZlvXAACd4NqZn1Vcn2nt0dteaPYz231Mth1+l/jhkryyWhqUlZ6 iDwA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=YyjhYbV2BD2p6OAO/xABUeWT/yMYxpWDJnAMCyt8PJk=; b=KP45/Nj75VdDRwq2nJM9Ci9rPLXfH4Di6tp9SsBPSvfxyYkcDzMZ57W9CQRLaktUrG CMJ/TU2492mxK1wE3YtRE3ITqpI5i9EDdsAftYfr3p7RYj6WkGDyUa2xGhE85ykhhoZ3 JnyMOkNR8K1SQbdAZMbPeTX8gHyMHxONw/LGXJiSsbeoLnTCuV8kZQ0accUAAea/4zR+ Yjkq9txUasOcbRmGtF1xnnO0E/Hs3C/ZDgdyFYdkibtpbSA4Si4sWD0iPhIq2Ch5HlkY atXkQtRBgpF7KXcD87H33AQLHkha6CZ7fdbs1Dk/C5PuJhu8HM4Wo2xILutkoWZGLUZ2 5aZA== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOSJgtP4E4+LJMTB1dpTYNhkJjb9FevteNTLDbvFGe1jeQy66cdehdFl/Gs7Bf4xMw== X-Received: by 10.107.10.232 with SMTP id 101mr20070620iok.196.1455578887818; Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from arch ([72.12.220.132]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 78sm8967788iof.22.2016.02.15.15.28.06 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:28:06 -0800 (PST) From: Joshua Branson References: <87vb5qkin5.fsf@setyourwaypoint.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:28:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:44:18 -0500") Message-ID: <87r3gd3662.fsf@setyourwaypoint.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 20:12:50 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Thanks for the speedy response! Bitcoin is one of the best digital privacy respecting options. Creating a bitcoin client written in emacs lisp or guile, is probably the best initial way to implement this feature request whilst respecting a user's privacy. Though that may not be an easy task. Also the same should be true for all documentation on "[[https://www.gnu.org/manual/manual.html]]". May I suggest to you Dr. Stallman that all documentation on gnu should be pay what you want/can? If it is using CiviCRM, then it integrating a payment option that prompts users to pay what they want when downloading documentation should be easy. GNU would also get more donations. --
Joshua Branson WayPoint Web Developer jbranso.me Sent From Emacs [[https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/]] --=-=-= Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="==-=-=" --==-=-= Content-Type: text/html

Thanks for the speedy response!

Bitcoin is one of the best digital privacy respecting options. Creating
a bitcoin client written in emacs lisp or guile, is probably the best
initial way to implement this feature request whilst respecting a user's
privacy. Though that may not be an easy task.

Also the same should be true for all documentation on
"https://www.gnu.org/manual/manual.html". May I suggest to you
Dr. Stallman that all documentation on gnu should be pay what you
want/can? If it is using CiviCRM, then it integrating a payment option
that prompts users to pay what they want when downloading documentation
should be easy. GNU would also get more donations.

–
<hr>
Joshua Branson
WayPoint
Web Developer
jbranso.me
Sent From Emacs
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

--==-=-=-- --=-=-=-- From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:04:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22670: Upgrading Emacs Packages and Pay What You Want Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 22:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22670 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Joshua Branson Cc: 22670@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 22670-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22670.14556628739767 (code B ref 22670); Tue, 16 Feb 2016 22:48:02 +0000 Received: (at 22670) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2016 22:47:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38581 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aVoPR-0002XT-1d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:47:53 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37844) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aVoPP-0002XF-97 for 22670@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:47:51 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVoPJ-0004DG-CB for 22670@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:47:46 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36440) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aVoPH-0004Ad-Dj; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:47:43 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aVoPG-0000mA-Qz; Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:47:42 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <87r3gd3662.fsf@setyourwaypoint.com> (message from Joshua Branson on Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:28:05 -0500) References: <87vb5qkin5.fsf@setyourwaypoint.com> <87r3gd3662.fsf@setyourwaypoint.com> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:47:42 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Bitcoin is one of the best digital privacy respecting options. Actually, bitcoin is not anonymous. But we don't have to insist on anonymous payment for this. Accepting bitcoin is ok. The FSF has been thinking about giving downloaders an option to donate. Actually implementing it is not so easy. We're looking for people to help us do this and other things. Does anyone want to volunteer? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. From unknown Mon Aug 18 18:04:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22670: Upgrading Emacs Packages and Pay What You Want Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 12:54:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22670 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Joshua Branson Cc: 22670@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22670-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22670.162903200523290 (code B ref 22670); Sun, 15 Aug 2021 12:54:02 +0000 Received: (at 22670) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Aug 2021 12:53:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46077 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mFFdk-00063a-TG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Aug 2021 08:53:25 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:58990) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mFFdi-00063J-UG for 22670@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Aug 2021 08:53:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=14HOlkWPp5Hcriu65/GJHK+7nUwDibelyLpjasnRQC0=; b=Tpg9xjxnSkI22heyLNNBwV7I1J dp/VsK6XSQiMaKBEVE7ZkXhKIiUmkcq35sLulKqG07cWOaxleNzqBHIrvJQ7Ck8Cvt1YjCini/97H sChoXtjXrQ/X21P5VIplReh+WPwGkd7Pf+Cbvztz7sK33EyaOw+n/s3KXjeOz2BnRd0A=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mFFdY-0000OF-FZ; Sun, 15 Aug 2021 14:53:17 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87vb5qkin5.fsf@setyourwaypoint.com> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 14:53:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87vb5qkin5.fsf@setyourwaypoint.com> (Joshua Branson's message of "Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:54:22 -0500") Message-ID: <87tujqlvig.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Joshua Branson writes: > With the recent news of the Magit maintainer taking a well deserved > break from emacs hacking, I suggest that Emacs's package management > implements a pay what you want/can model. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Joshua Branson writes: > With the recent news of the Magit maintainer taking a well deserved > break from emacs hacking, I suggest that Emacs's package management > implements a pay what you want/can model. This may or may not be a good idea, but I think it's a bit out of scope for the issue tracker, so I'm closing this. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 15 08:53:30 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Aug 2021 12:53:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46080 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mFFdq-00063t-4E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Aug 2021 08:53:30 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:59002) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mFFdo-00063S-FS for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Aug 2021 08:53:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=id6OAwSZk5qvtnTYM7aTIy9QbnWFPvHailm0Huqqg2M=; b=ZixWcpFChcAjej95wdku7WyWOI F0myKPzaMKNZuhnUe5hGmdSI15mmT5HqVhYNw5eB1Iz3vscSecRisWAjC4DxMlGMNlm34Dht5kDMw U+YRDd16aP3lBlvSIsiBG+9OHUg+mr2lczQGLCmzkcGNosRO+70GWaW+Ftwoodri01Ww=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mFFdg-0000OO-Kt for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Aug 2021 14:53:22 +0200 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 14:53:20 +0200 Message-Id: <87sfzalvi7.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #22670 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: close 22670 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) close 22670 quit