From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:13:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22625: 24.5; Please add index entry for `~ filename suffix' to manual for node `Backup Names' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 23:05:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 22625 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 22625@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.145514548225101 (code B ref -1); Wed, 10 Feb 2016 23:05:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2016 23:04:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35476 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTdoQ-0006Wn-Ed for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:04:42 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55409) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTdoP-0006Wa-Br for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:04:41 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTdoJ-0007UM-9o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:04:36 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,XPRIO autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:37696) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTdoJ-0007UI-6X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:04:35 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46380) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTdoI-0007EW-8F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:04:35 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTdoF-0007To-2g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:04:34 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:48392) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTdoE-0007TV-P0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:04:30 -0500 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u1AN4TNn028905 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 23:04:30 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u1AN4ToC026350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 23:04:29 GMT Received: from abhmp0007.oracle.com (abhmp0007.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u1AN4TET029850 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 23:04:29 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <86d0f742-1666-4da5-9192-eb505dd493f3@default> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:04:27 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Subject line says it all. See http://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/20216/105. It's a reasonable question. A user sees files with `~' at the end of the name, and wonders what they are. How to find info about that in the manual? In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-04-11 on LEG570 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/usr --host=3Di686-pc-mingw32' From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:13:27 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Drew Adams Subject: bug#22625: closed (Re: bug#22625: 24.5; Please add index entry for `~ filename suffix' to manual for node `Backup Names') Message-ID: References: <83r3gg6867.fsf@gnu.org> <86d0f742-1666-4da5-9192-eb505dd493f3@default> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 22625 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 22625@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:40:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1455370802-7274-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1455370802-7274-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #22625: 24.5; Please add index entry for `~ filename suffix' to manual for = node `Backup Names' which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 22625@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 22625: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D22625 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1455370802-7274-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 22625-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2016 13:39:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38511 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aUaQU-0001sv-Io for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 08:39:54 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59800) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aUaQS-0001sc-T2 for 22625-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 08:39:53 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUaQK-0005dX-JP for 22625-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 08:39:47 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54916) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUaQK-0005dT-Fu; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 08:39:44 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4750 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aUaQJ-0000Cj-QS; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 08:39:44 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:39:44 +0200 Message-Id: <83r3gg6867.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <86d0f742-1666-4da5-9192-eb505dd493f3@default> (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:04:27 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#22625: 24.5; Please add index entry for `~ filename suffix' to manual for node `Backup Names' References: <86d0f742-1666-4da5-9192-eb505dd493f3@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22625-done Cc: 22625-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:04:27 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > > See http://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/20216/105. > > It's a reasonable question. A user sees files with `~' at the end of > the name, and wonders what they are. How to find info about that in the > manual? I added index entries, but I really doubt this will help discoverability: there are 12 index entries in the manual that include "~", and the new one I added is the 5th hit... ------------=_1455370802-7274-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2016 23:04:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35476 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTdoQ-0006Wn-Ed for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:04:42 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55409) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTdoP-0006Wa-Br for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:04:41 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTdoJ-0007UM-9o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:04:36 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,XPRIO autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:37696) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTdoJ-0007UI-6X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:04:35 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46380) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTdoI-0007EW-8F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:04:35 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTdoF-0007To-2g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:04:34 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:48392) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTdoE-0007TV-P0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:04:30 -0500 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u1AN4TNn028905 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 23:04:30 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u1AN4ToC026350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 23:04:29 GMT Received: from abhmp0007.oracle.com (abhmp0007.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u1AN4TET029850 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 23:04:29 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <86d0f742-1666-4da5-9192-eb505dd493f3@default> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:04:27 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.5; Please add index entry for `~ filename suffix' to manual for node `Backup Names' X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Subject line says it all. See http://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/20216/105. It's a reasonable question. A user sees files with `~' at the end of the name, and wonders what they are. How to find info about that in the manual? In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2015-04-11 on LEG570 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/usr --host=3Di686-pc-mingw32' ------------=_1455370802-7274-1-- From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:13:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22625: 24.5; Please add index entry for `~ filename suffix' to manual for node `Backup Names' References: <86d0f742-1666-4da5-9192-eb505dd493f3@default> In-Reply-To: <86d0f742-1666-4da5-9192-eb505dd493f3@default> Resent-From: Kaushal Modi Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22625 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 22625@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22625-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22625.145537714319540 (code B ref 22625); Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:26:02 +0000 Received: (at 22625) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2016 15:25:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39478 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aUc4s-000556-Nm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:25:42 -0500 Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]:36526) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aUc4r-00054u-F7 for 22625@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:25:41 -0500 Received: by mail-ob0-f171.google.com with SMTP id gc3so59272689obb.3 for <22625@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 07:25:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=GZ/xJi2BJukWp/Ftk+8anZmknNaT+oqB2iXJ2+s0aBw=; b=TANmH1PSeLLJVu+rKiDtOV2AuBW9UoyO5ng50b0pNkSBmkPI6CAX2gDK3g9G+yca24 GkCTDi5WUjXRYJrxbyL2wTocm8wkp24TZYV0jr36/ZYkaY9QEw8wRZg0izMS3Z9XTGsJ rDeJL2Nt8Qo1Vd3MdqLlbzdN4+C+FoSFDwrAsI6s7Z/qBkt/gKzH9JuD0B0Fws4Nsdku 5DTtVqEBeeZp5pN5IQDq7WgQH19PD9VpD0scKTneoF/IorwXdCvA8ZxvVPTlBumlWK4N SRugT+Ip2eKam0DfCY8b/tzGnuBHFy8OEzH0n3HkbiGBqMxhTVY+CXtZByjQ1P3Uk9Om R42g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=GZ/xJi2BJukWp/Ftk+8anZmknNaT+oqB2iXJ2+s0aBw=; b=Y+O02qd0so+TnyCRXfMSugfswovisnEqQ3yAHT5fPqQQD1QQwCl4GYppWLtUcNfW3h BLrekmKP4Ep4s7PH0sDFgb1CFEyJ7DMBlvTOOw7asccyBikt4chwu21OciOPyv9YzkCl Z8GUjn+vbwFcwYMPRkq57gtKQFsYxQ6EVY+S2/Ve3HBOBW5IsAIbMpY/AD055GPMMayf CVzHtO0pBD/GPXP3wVBBTs1vid7vErTwbC3iY0hAjU7iwsIEECsXJZ0eC5mKs7fSQ2Ap q8k8Bn4UFrAHje6366hnVj4esHhYpPSXrJ0BbrsdyUEdABxYAh/VnYHGUKigGeRGQXwU kZ5A== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOSjYGpSOCxKnUZvDVz+5U5d5e88KP7XhcL29MRUCT1ilC4Me5Wp7mSdCxEGzWpRaglBYv8U1lWUzmU45Q== X-Received: by 10.202.185.214 with SMTP id j205mr5769789oif.68.1455377135898; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 07:25:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.201.73 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 07:24:56 -0800 (PST) From: Kaushal Modi Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:24:56 -0500 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113cd1fa331837052ba865b4 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a113cd1fa331837052ba865b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not sure I understood the request. On emacs built from emacs-25 branch (could not verify the same on 24.5), by doing, C-h i g (emacs) Backup Names I get a very good explanation of how the backup files are named. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D When Emacs makes a backup file, its name is normally constructed by appending =E2=80=98~=E2=80=99 to the file name being edited; thus, the back= up file for =E2=80=98eval.c=E2=80=99 would be =E2=80=98eval.c~=E2=80=99. If access control stops Emacs from writing backup files under the usual names, it writes the backup file as =E2=80=98~/.emacs.d/%backup%~=E2= =80=99. Only one such file can exist, so only the most recently made such backup is available. Emacs can also make "numbered backup files". Numbered backup file names contain =E2=80=98.~=E2=80=99, the number, and another =E2=80=98~=E2= =80=99 after the original file name. Thus, the backup files of =E2=80=98eval.c=E2=80=99 would be called = =E2=80=98eval.c.~1~=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98eval.c.~2~=E2=80=99, and so on, all the way through names like =E2= =80=98eval.c.~259~=E2=80=99 and beyond. [snip] =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Should this bug be closed? -- Kaushal Modi --001a113cd1fa331837052ba865b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am not sure I understood the request.
On emacs built from emacs-25 branch (could not verify the same = on 24.5), by doing,

C-h i g (emacs) Backup Names

I get a very g= ood explanation of how the backup files are named.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

When Emacs makes a backup fi= le, its name is normally constructed by
appending =E2=80=98~=E2= =80=99 to the file name being edited; thus, the backup file for
= =E2=80=98eval.c=E2=80=99 would be =E2=80=98eval.c~=E2=80=99.

=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0If access control stops Emacs from writing backup f= iles under the
usual names, it writes the backup file as =E2=80= =98~/.emacs.d/%backup%~=E2=80=99.=C2=A0 Only
one such file can ex= ist, so only the most recently made such backup is
available.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Emacs can also make "numbered backu= p files".=C2=A0 Numbered backup file
names contain =E2=80=98= .~=E2=80=99, the number, and another =E2=80=98~=E2=80=99 after the original= file
name.=C2=A0 Thus, the backup files of =E2=80=98eval.c=E2=80= =99 would be called =E2=80=98eval.c.~1~=E2=80=99,
=E2=80=98eval.c= .~2~=E2=80=99, and so on, all the way through names like =E2=80=98eval.c.~2= 59~=E2=80=99
and beyond.

[snip]
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Should this bug be closed?
=

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K= aushal Modi
--001a113cd1fa331837052ba865b4-- From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:13:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22625: 24.5; Please add index entry for `~ filename suffix' to manual for node `Backup Names' Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22625 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Kaushal Modi Cc: 22625@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 22625-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22625.145537786820806 (code B ref 22625); Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 22625) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2016 15:37:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39482 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aUcGZ-0005PW-Rx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:37:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56677) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aUcGY-0005PJ-HB for 22625@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:37:46 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUcGO-0001A4-84 for 22625@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:37:41 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56325) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUcGO-00019z-4Q; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:37:36 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4995 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aUcGN-0006jV-GB; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:37:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 17:37:36 +0200 Message-Id: <83k2m862pr.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Kaushal Modi on Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:24:56 -0500) References: <86d0f742-1666-4da5-9192-eb505dd493f3@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Kaushal Modi > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:24:56 -0500 > > I am not sure I understood the request. > > On emacs built from emacs-25 branch (could not verify the same on 24.5), by doing, > > C-h i g (emacs) Backup Names > > I get a very good explanation of how the backup files are named. Drew didn't say the text was insufficient, he asked for index entries. IOW, how do you find quickly what a tilde at the end of a file name means? From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:13:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22625: 24.5; Please add index entry for `~ filename suffix' to manual for node `Backup Names' Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22625 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: kaushal.modi@gmail.com Cc: 22625@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 22625-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22625.145537902622995 (code B ref 22625); Sat, 13 Feb 2016 15:58:02 +0000 Received: (at 22625) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2016 15:57:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39490 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aUcZG-0005yp-L3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:57:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33880) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aUcZF-0005yM-4F for 22625@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:57:05 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUcZ6-0006vC-6J for 22625@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:57:00 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56593) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUcZ6-0006v8-2Z; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:56:56 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1112 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aUcZ5-0000Qp-BN; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:56:55 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 17:56:56 +0200 Message-Id: <83egcg61tj.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <83k2m862pr.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 13 Feb 2016 17:37:36 +0200) References: <86d0f742-1666-4da5-9192-eb505dd493f3@default> <83k2m862pr.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 17:37:36 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 22625@debbugs.gnu.org > > Drew didn't say the text was insufficient, he asked for index > entries. IOW, how do you find quickly what a tilde at the end of a > file name means? Oh, and I already closed the bug. From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:13:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#22625: 24.5; Please add index entry for `~ filename suffix' to manual for node `Backup Names' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 18:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22625 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 22625-done@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 22625-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D22625.14553873522159 (code D ref 22625); Sat, 13 Feb 2016 18:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 22625-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2016 18:15:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38275 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aUejY-0000Yl-A3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:15:52 -0500 Received: from aserp1050.oracle.com ([141.146.126.70]:20318) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aUejW-0000YT-7H for 22625-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:15:50 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com (aserp1040.oracle.com [141.146.126.69]) by aserp1050.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u1DGwRiJ024911 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for <22625-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:58:32 GMT Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u1DGwJ08008130 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:58:20 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u1DGwJON026539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:58:19 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u1DGwImi018535; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:58:18 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6e05342a-019b-416b-b4be-6f7c1c4e91e7@default> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 08:58:17 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <<86d0f742-1666-4da5-9192-eb505dd493f3@default>> <<83r3gg6867.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83r3gg6867.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserp1040.oracle.com [141.146.126.69] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > I added index entries, but I really doubt this will help > discoverability: there are 12 index entries in the manual that > include "~", and the new one I added is the 5th hit... Thanks, Eli. I think it will help, nevertheless. Without this it is really not easy to ask Emacs what those ~-suffixed files are. A user sees them and can wonder what they are. This will help. But I agree with you that when there are multiple index entries that match a prefix it is cumbersome to notice and get to one that you might want. That's a general problem.