From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 10 15:53:30 2016 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2016 20:53:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35347 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTblP-0001oD-2C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:53:30 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45769) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTblK-0001nx-AM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:53:25 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTblB-0005K6-3N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:53:17 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:51886) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTblA-0005K1-Vq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:53:13 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36658) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTbl6-00010u-Te for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:53:12 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTbl2-0005Fi-Sr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:53:08 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-x235.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235]:35549) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTbl2-0005FE-GF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:53:04 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-x235.google.com with SMTP id ho8so17431238pac.2 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:53:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=boostpro-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bGcSOABN3D2QINLQyO0WmVCHXfDeTQB0nJ93XqXnUzg=; b=S/yU5Gqfyz0298LEsRV4Lnrn0bwdoDscF+CNkXSmzcKUXOZyPr1ovYGh7S+Nib5Vcm ZLY92QrXsH0wD5GmXmIPVh71e3ARbas4qujgVCF57GGyh+Zwo691oB/tyig65GozUvgz Nsy3WRTbxAXdT0YBk1qqjDbkHzkAvxEJMu9H3dwF3MfQl2vLeoKtii6Al3gvhaMWh/SD 7dn6qqGaJ4izE85bxYYsA5WEpuYVEx8CoUea5XWPaooNUivVWLORWVjJ8f+BSZDov1q2 UjXTlx4eWkorSDJrHBGUvx77b85At7UrehS96ngAXxLFagkxCo3QhqhFZp/omGomhjO/ 9Wig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bGcSOABN3D2QINLQyO0WmVCHXfDeTQB0nJ93XqXnUzg=; b=X5sMTMrFA0EUimF87ohSVy+oRrSfHhZpCWy36PlPaf7kKfKO2DgOkvJDD37Aqv9qMH Ex9S9IIIRL/SZsFdNKKEO7Y2LSVAxGlrG7Y4MMkwaTrwhHQVK/RmqbGtmoK0pNnNbI9k /rYuHeUNSJJjo4LAxEz6AkLD04LkVUmH7x5bURE+mVi8/NciRqiN3uG60VzGumq1ZrKe ia80ARa4JVUpQHst88zD/YhO2evBUG4rGOiAZ5ySU0bC/fgi8Dcp3wGd/wHk1guk/VLH wJwoziu0ng1IvvcSjKxK10C7dt6oOsoYZjQrf5g/UGIKwo5Qqvbte3HhXRKgaSqOc/8e a3og== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOQ/P73pzVlrRPq4+JTRzrLC96Z7XTWxWbOJ22b74+LVBgF/nuAdyquKbj1hJfzD5Q== X-Received: by 10.66.157.230 with SMTP id wp6mr3949668pab.48.1455137583193; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:53:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from eno.apple.com ([17.212.145.127]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 87sm811982pfq.93.2016.02.10.12.53.01 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:53:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by eno.apple.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id 62A9495F1BA6; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:53:00 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Abrahams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.5; Wishlist: automatically start second Gnus session as a slave Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:53:00 -0800 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) I asked: The Gnus manual says you can get trouble by starting two non-slave Gnusae at once: [[info:gnus#Slave%20Gnusae][info:gnus#Slave Gnusae]] So, shouldn't `M-x gnus' automatically dispatch to `gnus-slave' in that case? In <87d1s6ecwa.fsf@gnus.org>, Lars replied: I haven't used the Gnus slave in decades. :-) But I think you're right -- Gnus should start in slave mode if it manages to detect another non-slave Gnus running. Could you report this with `M-x report-emacs-bug' as a wishlist item? 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12 Apr 2018 16:39:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48217 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fG1-00078S-6l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:39:36 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:59034) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fFv-000782-RM for 22621@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:39:31 -0400 Received: from 46.67.12.60.tmi.telenormobil.no ([46.67.12.60] helo=corrigan) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fFp-0007i6-8P; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 18:39:26 +0200 Received: from larsi by corrigan with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fFj-0004zj-Ck; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 18:39:15 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Dave Abrahams Subject: Re: bug#22621: 24.5; Wishlist: automatically start second Gnus session as a slave References: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 18:39:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Dave Abrahams's message of "Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:53:00 -0800") Message-ID: <87h8ogqszw.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22621 Cc: 22621@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Dave Abrahams writes: > I asked: > > The Gnus manual says you can get trouble by starting two non-slave > Gnusae at once: [[info:gnus#Slave%20Gnusae][info:gnus#Slave Gnusae]] > > So, shouldn't `M-x gnus' automatically dispatch to `gnus-slave' in that > case? > > In <87d1s6ecwa.fsf@gnus.org>, Lars replied: > > I haven't used the Gnus slave in decades. :-) But I think you're > right -- Gnus should start in slave mode if it manages to detect another > non-slave Gnus running. Could you report this with `M-x > report-emacs-bug' as a wishlist item? After thinking this over for 2 years, 8 weeks, 5 days, I think perhaps this would be too fiddly. First of all, detecting in a reliable way that another Gnus is running is difficult. And it's legitimate to start a new Gnus, anyway, and people aren't used to the slave invocation. So I think I'll mark this as a nofix after all. :-) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 12 12:39:29 2018 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2018 16:39:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48215 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fFx-00078A-1h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:39:29 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:59032) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fFv-000781-Ad for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:39:27 -0400 Received: from 46.67.12.60.tmi.telenormobil.no ([46.67.12.60] helo=corrigan) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fFr-0007pM-UX for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 18:39:26 +0200 Received: from larsi by corrigan with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fFm-0004zm-58 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 18:39:18 +0200 To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #22621 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 18:39:18 +0200 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 22621 wontfix close 22621 From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:18:17 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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