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([2001:4ca0:0:f230:120b:a9ff:fe37:cea8]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id et11sm3072283wjc.30.2016.02.10.05.53.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 10 Feb 2016 05:53:28 -0800 (PST) To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Christoph-Simon Senjak Subject: 24.4; AltGr not working after Xmodmap Message-ID: <56BB40D7.6010800@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 14:53:27 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:37:38 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) I have the following .Xmodmap: keycode 135 = Alt_L keycode 167 = Page_Down keycode 166 = Page_Up remove mod4 = Super_L add mod5 = Super_L Otherwise, my keymap is de nodeadkeys compose:caps Since the .Xmodmap, I cannot type in stuff that requires AltGr anymore (even though I did not even remap it). Even with the new mod5 key it doesn't work. (For example, AltGr+q is (at), and AltGr+7,8,9,0 are braces. In all other applications (including emacs -nw), it works well. Best Regards, Christoph-Simon Senjak Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 14:49:50 +0100 Message-ID: <87k2mceku9.fsf@x220.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> --text follows this line-- In GNU Emacs 24.4.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.25) of 2015-02-27 on localhost Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11704000 Configured using: `configure --disable-dependency-tracking --prefix=/nix/store/6q7pnnp5kvk3s6iylii6gk1z3pph5hgq-emacs-24.4 --with-x-toolkit=gtk --with-xft' Important settings: value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: M-x r e p o r SPC e SPC SPC Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. s-ß is undefined s-q is undefined delete-backward-char: Text is read-only Load-path shadows: None found. 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Content preview: Christoph-Simon Senjak writes: > I have the following .Xmodmap: > > keycode 135 = Alt_L > keycode 167 = Page_Down > keycode 166 = Page_Up > remove mod4 = Super_L > add mod5 = Super_L > > Otherwise, my keymap is > > de nodeadkeys co [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22617 Cc: 22617@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Christoph-Simon Senjak writes: > I have the following .Xmodmap: > > keycode 135 = Alt_L > keycode 167 = Page_Down > keycode 166 = Page_Up > remove mod4 = Super_L > add mod5 = Super_L > > Otherwise, my keymap is > > de nodeadkeys compose:caps > > Since the .Xmodmap, I cannot type in stuff that requires AltGr > anymore (even > though I did not even remap it). Even with the new mod5 key it doesn't > work. (For example, AltGr+q is (at), and AltGr+7,8,9,0 are braces. > > In all other applications (including emacs -nw), it works well. (I'm going through old bug reports that have unfortunately not gotten any responses.) Are you still seeing this problem? There doesn't seem to be anything particular in your .Xmodmap that references AltGr... unless your Mode_switch was on mod5, and this made something confused. What's the output from "xmodmap" (without any parameters)? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 05 19:52:18 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Nov 2019 00:52:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39281 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iS9YY-0005qs-JO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 19:52:18 -0500 Received: from host.gofardesign.uk ([208.79.239.190]:49957) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iS9YW-0005qZ-On for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 19:52:17 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Subject:From:To:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Message-ID:Cc:MIME-Version :Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; 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Even with the new mod5 key it doesn't >> work. (For example, AltGr+q is (at), and AltGr+7,8,9,0 are braces. >> >> In all other applications (including emacs -nw), it works well. > > (I'm going through old bug reports that have unfortunately not gotten > any responses.) > > Are you still seeing this problem? There doesn't seem to be anything > particular in your .Xmodmap that references AltGr... unless your > Mode_switch was on mod5, and this made something confused. > > What's the output from "xmodmap" (without any parameters)? More information was requested, but none was given within 24 weeks, so I'm closing this bug. If this is still an issue, please reply to this email (use "Reply to all" in your email client) and we can reopen the bug report. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:13:06 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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