From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 05 10:41:03 2016 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 15:41:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34567 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRiVK-0006s9-W6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:41:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36703) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRiVJ-0006rZ-QY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:41:02 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRiVD-0005KB-C3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:40:56 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:40084) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRiVD-0005K7-6i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:40:55 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55898) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRiVB-0006Km-Kh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:40:55 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRiV6-0005Jc-RB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:40:53 -0500 Received: from smtp-78.nebula.fi ([83.145.220.78]:48967 helo=smtp.nebula.fi) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRiV6-0005Ip-Dh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:40:48 -0500 Received: from solaria (xdsl-176-187.nblnetworks.fi [217.30.176.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.nebula.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB25CD00FFE for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 17:40:36 +0200 (EET) From: Aura Kelloniemi To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.5; Make shift key translation a customizable feature User-Agent: Notmuch/0.21 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.5.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:40:31 +0200 Message-ID: <877fijxj0w.fsf@sange.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Some people consider the shift translation done by Emacs to be a misfeature. I agree with them. This is because when I accidentally press a key combination which is not bound to any command, I would like to receive an error message rather than running another command which I did not intend to run. There is a long discussion about this issue at: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/25649/is-it-possible-to-stop-emacs-from-down-translating-my-key-chords I wish that shift translation would be made a customizable feature. It causes me a lot of trouble because I'm testing new key mappings for the linux console (I'm making the shifted function keys to work in it) and shift translation in Emacs makes it harder to tell if Emacs got the information about used shift state right or not. (And no, Emacs does not always report that a key is shift-translated. E.g. when I press d , I get " runs the command down-list" instead of " (translated from ) runs the command down-list".) Thank you for your time! In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.16.6) of 2015-09-10 on foutrelis Configured using: `configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --libexecdir=/usr/lib --localstatedir=/var --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-xft 'CFLAGS=-march=x86-64 -mtune=generic -O2 -pipe -fstack-protector-strong --param=ssp-buffer-size=4' CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1,--sort-common,--as-needed,-z,relro' Important settings: value of $LC_COLLATE: C value of $LANG: fi_FI.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Messages Minor modes in effect: minibuffer-electric-default-mode: t icomplete-mode: t diff-auto-refine-mode: t tooltip-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t Recent messages: w3m init file loaded Loading term/xterm...done runs the command forward-sexp [2 times] is undefined runs the command beginning-of-defun Entering debugger... beginning-of-buffer End of buffer Mark set runs the command beginning-of-buffer customize-apropos: No customizable group, face, or option matching (shift translation) Load-path shadows: None found. 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7 Feb 2016 17:46:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37417 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aSTQ9-00025h-6G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 12:46:49 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48800) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aSTQ7-00025V-8M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 12:46:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSTQ1-0000jU-Al for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 12:46:42 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:57450) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSTQ1-0000jO-8m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 12:46:41 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39745) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSTQ0-0001dd-Bi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 12:46:41 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSTPx-0000hN-5E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 12:46:40 -0500 Received: from smtp.nebula.fi ([2001:1bc8:100c:f220::66]:33669) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSTPw-0000h0-Mk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 12:46:37 -0500 Received: from solaria (xdsl-176-187.nblnetworks.fi [217.30.176.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.nebula.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26EF1D00930 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2016 19:46:32 +0200 (EET) From: Aura Kelloniemi To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#22566: 24.5; Make shift key translation a customizable feature In-Reply-To: <874mdlobij.fsf@sange.fi> References: <877fijxj0w.fsf@sange.fi> <874mdlobij.fsf@sange.fi> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.21 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.5.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2016 19:46:26 +0200 Message-ID: <87io20s9al.fsf@sange.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Hello and thank you for your response! Richard Stallman writes: > What is "shift key translation"? Sorry for being inaccurate. Shift translation is described in keyboard.c in Emacs source code like this: /* If KEY is not defined in any of the keymaps, and cannot be part of a function key or translation, and is a shifted function key, use the corresponding unshifted function key instead. */ Shift translation is documented in Key Sequence Input: If an input character is upper-case (or has the shift modifier) and has no key binding, but its lower-case equivalent has one, then read-key-sequence converts the character to lower case. Note that lookup-key does not perform case conversion in this way. -- Aura From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 10 12:15:58 2016 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2016 17:15:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35219 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTYMw-0004uq-3C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:15:58 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47383) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTYMu-0004ua-OY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:15:57 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTYMo-0006um-IW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:15:51 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:48302) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTYMo-0006uh-FR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:15:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38348) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTYMn-0006mO-Ag for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:15:50 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTYMj-0006tR-8n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:15:49 -0500 Received: from smtp.nebula.fi ([2001:1bc8:100c:f220::66]:39947) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTYMi-0006sr-QD; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:15:45 -0500 Received: from solaria (xdsl-176-187.nblnetworks.fi [217.30.176.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.nebula.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CB2DD00897; Wed, 10 Feb 2016 19:15:32 +0200 (EET) From: Aura Kelloniemi To: rms@gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#22566: 24.5; Make shift key translation a customizable feature In-Reply-To: References: <877fijxj0w.fsf@sange.fi> <874mdlobij.fsf@sange.fi> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.21 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.5.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 19:15:31 +0200 Message-ID: <8737t0lc5o.fsf@sange.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Richard Stallman writes: > Thanks, now I see. The idea of this is so the shifted keys > by default have the same meaning as the unshifted ones. One of my points is that this behaviour is not logical. There is no similar functionality available for other modifier keys (ctonrol, alt, meta, super, hyper, etc.). When working with text terminals it happens often that some key combinations sends the same escape seuqnce for plain key press and shifted key press. Sometimes termcap is lacking correct information and emacs does not interpret the sequence correctly. Emacs' shift translation adds yet another step for debugging these issues. Shift translation may be useful to some people and I'm not asking for removing it from emacs, just making it customizable - it shouldn't be a big change. > Why is it a problem for you? Well, two reasons: First reason is that sometimes I press wrong keys, and instead of reporting an error, emacs does something else - it tries to guess what I wanted, and probably gets it wrong. This happens often if I open an Org file in text-mode (because the file's extension is not .org, this happens automatically). Then I forget that I'm not in org-mode and use shifted arrow keys, but of course they don't work in a way I expected. The other problem is that I've lately been adding support for shifted function keys to my Linux console keymap. Emacs' shift translation has made my debugging harder, because when I use the describe-key-briefly command to check if emacs got a shifted function key right, it just reports something like this: " runs the command right-word" even though I pressed . But when I open an org-file in org-mode and try the same key combination, emacs now says: " runs the command org-shiftcontrolright". Describe-key-briefly should at least report that it is doing some translation. It already does this reporting for non-function keys. There is a question about this issues on stackexchange, to which I posted a link in my original message. There the OP is complaining about the same things that I am, mostly, but adds some other points. The link is here again, for reference: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/25649/is-it-possible-to-stop-emacs-from-down-translating-my-key-chords -- Aura From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 12 07:31:58 2016 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2016 12:31:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37317 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aUCtC-0003ex-BU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 07:31:58 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59353) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aUCtA-0003ek-LP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 07:31:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUCt4-0000fU-KG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 07:31:51 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:36433) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUCt4-0000fH-Hn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 07:31:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50222) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUCsz-00041j-7R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 07:31:50 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUCsv-0000bl-Cz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 07:31:45 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54631) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUCsm-0000Wf-QP; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 07:31:32 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aUCsm-0002Rl-6T; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 07:31:32 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Aura Kelloniemi In-reply-to: <8737t0lc5o.fsf@sange.fi> (message from Aura Kelloniemi on Wed, 10 Feb 2016 19:15:31 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#22566: 24.5; Make shift key translation a customizable feature References: <877fijxj0w.fsf@sange.fi> <874mdlobij.fsf@sange.fi> <8737t0lc5o.fsf@sange.fi> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 07:31:32 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The other problem is that I've lately been adding support for shifted function > keys to my Linux console keymap. Emacs' shift translation has made my > debugging harder, because when I use the describe-key-briefly command to check > if emacs got a shifted function key right, it just reports something like > this: " runs the command right-word" even though I pressed > . But when I open an org-file in org-mode and try the same key > combination, emacs now says: " runs the command > org-shiftcontrolright". You could give C-S-Right a definition (same as that of C-Right) and that would turn off the translation. Describe-key-briefly should at least report that it is > doing some translation. It already does this reporting for non-function keys. I agree. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 15 09:04:08 2021 Received: (at 22566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Aug 2021 13:04:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46097 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mFFo3-0008VH-Lg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Aug 2021 09:04:08 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:59234) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mFFnx-0008Uc-Tz for 22566@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Aug 2021 09:04:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=0Ymj2gSTNTZiUhbC5I2yRBxCzGhHoYrXq/G55L7bzsc=; b=j+zHRFjzDJyKYEURE4MwRRl5kf 07K/6iK56KpbpR4Xd2H7Si+cmttg6fz5PzyEZf4XwHI7XUKOk2FcyJ9f8PUaEtL0pR4pbpQrtR7RB ++hwPaF6m134HMQDipcIppMscVl6EEBuLzcRjojklGnN1iXPQNdTQLVaQmFPS+H+61DU=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mFFnl-0000Uw-LH; Sun, 15 Aug 2021 15:03:50 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Aura Kelloniemi Subject: Re: bug#22566: 24.5; Make shift key translation a customizable feature References: <877fijxj0w.fsf@sange.fi> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 15:03:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: <877fijxj0w.fsf@sange.fi> (Aura Kelloniemi's message of "Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:40:31 +0200") Message-ID: <87im06lv0v.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Aura Kelloniemi writes: > Some people consider the shift translation done by Emacs to be a misfeature. I > agree with them. This is because when I accidentally press a key combination > which is not bound to any command, I w [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22566 Cc: 22566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Aura Kelloniemi writes: > Some people consider the shift translation done by Emacs to be a misfeature. I > agree with them. This is because when I accidentally press a key combination > which is not bound to any command, I would like to receive an error message > rather than running another command which I did not intend to run. I think that sounds like a reasonable user option. I think all of this is done in read_key_sequence? Skimming that 1K-line function, it doesn't look like a difficult thing to implement. Does anybody else have an opinion here? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 15 09:04:12 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Aug 2021 13:04:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46099 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mFFo8-0008VT-Cr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Aug 2021 09:04:12 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:59248) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mFFo1-0008Ul-At for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Aug 2021 09:04:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=+fHjadz9ZZdrNlBuaRumxMpjAe2lTs8bdRfjicLykto=; b=FgNOH44zAUUj/Mv4UqR4XnKQXI 8I9FX8gpJtZYER0tCoUFEl7Y1Ff4wbZa2aMWp1/3YZHcPwa4Pf+uRgNU8zbbi10v5Asf89EEcx86t 8CW6AwVkeDc7uv9GhkWUzreXK99/u9ikE9RccjW5wL/1aAxXbV9fSeFum6MQUl/3WHKc=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mFFnt-0000V3-I3 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Aug 2021 15:03:55 +0200 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 15:03:53 +0200 Message-Id: <87h7fqlv0m.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #22566 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 22566 + moreinfo quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 22566 + moreinfo quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 13 05:14:26 2021 Received: (at 22566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2021 09:14:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44374 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mPi2k-0003Ce-FF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 05:14:26 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:56188) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mPi2g-0003CE-9T for 22566@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 05:14:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=acVrmezG4srnHWvsqrNJPBWZKjSwL8ZQ7EumNVIbLyk=; b=Xo/72MXKMYrWLRAond157CU7da CYJ1dr76LKnCXDSIeDjft/Yq24DXAGS98rhQbzPMBlWbnVddT+TEx/uOINUgRW2BdHDjNkGBKJ4DP i3WqH3ESfNyAqfIZbxaqRlNvxgRcxLH95/QLf+DC9xu47U1lTcGU6CtcLu6S3+AV81Ss=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mPi2X-0007FD-DA; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:14:15 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Aura Kelloniemi Subject: Re: bug#22566: 24.5; Make shift key translation a customizable feature References: <877fijxj0w.fsf@sange.fi> <87im06lv0v.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:14:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87im06lv0v.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 15 Aug 2021 15:03:44 +0200") Message-ID: <87mtoget23.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I think that sounds like a reasonable user option. I think all of this > is done in read_key_sequence? Skimming that 1K-line function, it > doesn't look like a difficult thing to implement. > > Does [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22566 Cc: 22566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I think that sounds like a reasonable user option. I think all of this > is done in read_key_sequence? Skimming that 1K-line function, it > doesn't look like a difficult thing to implement. > > Does anybody else have an opinion here? Nobody had, so I went ahead and implemented this. However, I think we're too close to the Emacs 28 release to push such a low-level change, so it'll have to wait until Emacs 29. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 13 05:14:26 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2021 09:14:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44376 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mPi2k-0003Cg-Lf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 05:14:26 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:56202) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mPi2j-0003CJ-Sr for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 05:14:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ZIXwHH5mr4ddCMUFArKUIo6bdfAHO6hnOTuMj1Nstjk=; b=uRD1uCHgE2SCn4s5H/jrJLEX4D b0yK1ItiVD0QBL7sMrcUAkLcMckqL6pyHWwTWSU6+jxg8ekGL6/ejHbu0UkP2rbMn6V/dD2jwtWiW jsYhP3IVVIU0pNUwyo3RTur2FelO8ZKgcc9U51HqB/05rp+B+dnBzbrWki7JFVq15q4o=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mPi2c-0007FK-EB for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:14:20 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:14:18 +0200 Message-Id: <87lf40et1x.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #22566 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 22566 - moreinfo quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 22566 - moreinfo quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 13 05:22:39 2021 Received: (at 22566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2021 09:22:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44396 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mPiAh-0003Sx-3H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 05:22:39 -0400 Received: from smtp.sange.fi ([185.87.108.151]:50097) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mPiAd-0003Sk-L8 for 22566@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 05:22:37 -0400 Received: from 88-114-110-12.elisa-laajakaista.fi ([88.114.110.12] helo=solaria) by oiva.sange.fi with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1mPiAZ-00025F-KO; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:22:33 +0300 From: Aura Kelloniemi To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#22566: 24.5; Make shift key translation a customizable feature In-Reply-To: <87mtoget23.fsf@gnus.org> References: <877fijxj0w.fsf@sange.fi> <87im06lv0v.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtoget23.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:22:29 +0300 Message-ID: <87wnnk3k4q.fsf@sange.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22566 Cc: 22566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 2021-09-13 at 11:14 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > I think that sounds like a reasonable user option. I think all of this > > is done in read_key_sequence? Skimming that 1K-line function, it > > doesn't look like a difficult thing to implement. > Nobody had, so I went ahead and implemented this. However, I think > we're too close to the Emacs 28 release to push such a low-level change, > so it'll have to wait until Emacs 29. Great! Thank you. I use Emacs' development branch anyway. -- Aura From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 04 06:34:28 2021 Received: (at 22566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Oct 2021 10:34:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35752 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXLIh-0002yQ-Qb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 06:34:27 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:57344) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXLIe-0002y6-L6 for 22566@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 06:34:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=A9jEa/Ib1L+NVTwYtHphO7WQ2gllwRhneI0E0jh5kpU=; b=smMzp4ap5kOczB4QyHH++4b9Px PpbrU4wvjcjMez2UpF+1VDZZh8xc0YLrJp7szC64vjEO3FDlwHAvLlvPuHeeeZho9mJ3l8gWHDt+f 7LDvGougSINQahe/MmjlJkvJV5pupZ4Ipw5I4Ke/ReP2Ms9ufYDIUIbUZUP+fiWllhWE=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mXLIW-0001gl-33; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 12:34:18 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Aura Kelloniemi Subject: Re: bug#22566: 24.5; Make shift key translation a customizable feature References: <877fijxj0w.fsf@sange.fi> <87im06lv0v.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtoget23.fsf@gnus.org> X-Now-Playing: Vladislav Delay, Sly Dunbar, Robbie Shakespeare's _500-PUSH-UP_: "(520)" Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2021 12:34:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87mtoget23.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:14:12 +0200") Message-ID: <87zgrpm63c.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Nobody had, so I went ahead and implemented this. However, I think > we're too close to the Emacs 28 release to push such a low-level change, > so it'll have to wait until Emacs 29. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22566 Cc: 22566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Nobody had, so I went ahead and implemented this. However, I think > we're too close to the Emacs 28 release to push such a low-level change, > so it'll have to wait until Emacs 29. I've now pushed this to Emacs 29. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 04 06:34:30 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Oct 2021 10:34:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35755 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXLIk-0002ye-0C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 06:34:30 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:57358) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXLIi-0002yE-Nw for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 06:34:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ml1DSf0mf2BJj45FrjR04ZDyZGUSOqiF9AKV2EbIs0Y=; b=seZ2xr7TBS8wrbM3fUJY4l5BT7 0bhHOzZSszL8n+Qsi7J4hF0eqg4f6DIxbv0HSAc2KWlkONP0hiIBaSsn7wr8+RtTTj/xNt+3/ijeq PT2Ff1OinKROM5PJpCLHFvhwtMi5UKfenIZyPtCVgaW/s/jaLAIuj+d6subjHBV/+53w=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mXLIb-0001gt-9h for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 12:34:23 +0200 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2021 12:34:20 +0200 Message-Id: <87y279m637.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #22566 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: close 22566 29.1 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) close 22566 29.1 quit From unknown Fri Sep 05 15:36:51 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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