Subject: bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough.

From: Andreas Röhler <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 20:34:03 +0200

Am 05.05.22 um 18:17 schrieb Eli Zaretskii:
>> Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 13:02:37 +0200
>> From: Andreas Röhler<[email-masked]>
>>
>> A fundamental mode should be as fundamental as possible, stripped by all fanciness.
> "Fanciness" is in the eyes of the beholder.  It is clear that you
> don't like electric-indent-mode,

Hi Eli,

that's not true. In fact, I use electric-indentation all over the day. 
Just don't want it in environments, where it's not appropriate.

It's easier to switch on stuff than looking how to switch things off.

>   but that doesn't mean your opinion
> represents that of the majority.

Majority is no measure for correctness.  Requiring it, would put 
religion at the place of science.

>    We decided to turn that mode ON by
> default because quite a few people had other expectations.
>
> Fundamental mode is just a mode.

That's bad. Need a reliable basement to build upon. Kind of an empty sheet.

>    Richard even says that it is an
> important mode.  Then it follows that assuming it has no "fanciness"
> whatsoever isn't necessarily correct.