From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 04 19:11:16 2016 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 00:11:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60739 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRTzX-0000OB-8t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 19:11:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58363) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRTzV-0000Ny-Kl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 19:11:14 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRTzN-0003bX-OA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 19:11:08 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:59960) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRTzN-0003bT-L4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 19:11:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49267) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRTzK-0007JN-QH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 19:11:05 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRTzF-0003Zq-OG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 19:11:02 -0500 Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.21]:38787) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRTzF-0003Y3-EF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 19:10:57 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.9] ([71.96.98.28]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0O2100FP9SHIXY90@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 18:10:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 18:10:28 -0600 From: Kevin Gallagher Subject: 25.0.90; dired alphabetic sort of listing handles leading '.' strangely on MS Windows To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Message-id: <56B3E874.5000601@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_/pSrhbSf4kKPO96QnT2NQw)" X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=btqxfxui c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=TNAFOAbOQs65/FMczyPZyA==:117 a=jFJIQSaiL_oA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=RJ4mWclf1fdKZ3_3JOgA:9 a=WnkY5pjFaLIeYUNj:21 a=OkxF1Dsvzh2tpHOd:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=BvsiriRt2k0G6z-WdZ0A:9 a=LwNQYBICQNL0cSaJ:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. 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Windows 7, Started Emacs with C:\emacs-25.0.90\bin\runemacs.exe -Q Entered The following listing of my home directory looks as follows c:/kg: total used in directory 210 available 150000864 drwxrwxrwx 1 TrustedInstaller TrustedInstaller 24576 02-03 13:31 = .. drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 12288 02-04 17:28 = . -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 1835 2012-02-01 = =20 =2Ealiases~ -rw-rw-rw- 1 Administrators None 1893 2014-04-14 = =20 =2Ealiases drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2005-07-09 = =20 =2Eautosave -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 8231 01-31 15:31= =20 =2Ebash_history -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 263 2011-06-27 = .bashrc drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2014-04-14 = =20 bin-save -rw-rw-rw- 1 Administrators None 1404 2014-06-30 = =20 =2Eedt-gnu-W32-keys -rw-rw-rw- 1 Administrators None 1409 2014-04-13 = =20 =2Eedt-gnu-W32-keys-save -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 44241 2007-12-12 = =20 edt-user.doc drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2013-05-19 = emacs -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 6438 2012-05-02 = .emacs drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2012-05-13 = =20 =2Eemacs.d -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 6103 2011-07-25 = =20 =2Eemacs-indent-4 -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 7 2007-12-09 = =20 =2Eemacs-places -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 34540 2001-09-03 = =20 filladapt.el drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2005-12-23 = .fvwm drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2014-03-14 = =20 Game Stuff drwxrwxrwx 1 Administrators None 0 12-06 09:58= =20 =2Egimp-2.8 -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 188 2005-09-21 = =20 =2Ehistory drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2013-07-23 = lisp drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 4096 2013-07-23 = .lisp drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2012-05-13 = =20 Magueijo -rw-rw-rw- 1 Administrators None 3632 2014-04-15 = =20 message-20140415-140728 -rw-rw-rw- 1 Administrators None 2725 02-04 17:33= =20 #message-20160204-172757# -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 195 2011-08-23 = =20 =2Eprofile~ -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 111 2014-05-24 = =20 =2Eprofile -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 35820 2005-07-03 = RMAIL -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 1024 2008-11-30 = .rnd drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2012-12-19 = =20 =2Esave-env -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 125 2005-07-09 = =20 =2Esaves-2304-janus drwxrwxrwx 1 Administrators None 0 2014-04-14 = share -rw-rw-rw- 1 Administrators None 134 2014-04-15 = =20 stuff.sh~ -rw-rw-rw- 1 Administrators None 135 2014-04-15 = =20 stuff.sh drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2009-04-15 = TempSBE drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2012-05-13 = .texmf drwxrwxrwx 1 Administrators None 0 2015-08-02 = =20 =2Ethumbnails -rw-rw-rw- 1 Administrators None 14000 2013-05-26 = =20 videos.docx -rw-rw-rw- 1 Administrators None 4928 2013-05-26 = =20 videos.txt -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 3672 2012-10-06 = =20 vids.txt -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 554 2005-11-18 = .xdvirc drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2013-07-23 = .xemacs In Emacs 24.5, the listing of the same directory looks like this: c:/kg: total used in directory 210 available 150000864 drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 12288 02-04 17:28 . drwxrwxrwx 1 TrustedInstaller TrustedInstaller 24576 02-03 13:31 = .. -rw-rw-rw- 1 Administrators None 1893 2014-04-14 = =20 =2Ealiases -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 1835 2012-02-01 = =20 =2Ealiases~ drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2005-07-09 = =20 =2Eautosave -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 8231 01-31 15:31= =20 =2Ebash_history -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 263 2011-06-27 = .bashrc -rw-rw-rw- 1 Administrators None 1404 2014-06-30 = =20 =2Eedt-gnu-W32-keys -rw-rw-rw- 1 Administrators None 1409 2014-04-13 = =20 =2Eedt-gnu-W32-keys-save -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 6438 2012-05-02 = .emacs -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 6103 2011-07-25 = =20 =2Eemacs-indent-4 -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 7 2007-12-09 = =20 =2Eemacs-places drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2012-05-13 = =20 =2Eemacs.d drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2005-12-23 = .fvwm drwxrwxrwx 1 Administrators None 0 12-06 09:58= =20 =2Egimp-2.8 -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 188 2005-09-21 = =20 =2Ehistory drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 4096 2013-07-23 = .lisp -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 111 2014-05-24 = =20 =2Eprofile -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 195 2011-08-23 = =20 =2Eprofile~ -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 1024 2008-11-30 = .rnd drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2012-12-19 = =20 =2Esave-env -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 125 2005-07-09 = =20 =2Esaves-2304-janus drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2012-05-13 = .texmf drwxrwxrwx 1 Administrators None 0 2015-08-02 = =20 =2Ethumbnails -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 554 2005-11-18 = .xdvirc drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2013-07-23 = .xemacs drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2014-03-14 = =20 Game Stuff drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2012-05-13 = =20 Magueijo -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 35820 2005-07-03 = RMAIL drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2009-04-15 = TempSBE drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2014-04-14 = =20 bin-save -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 44241 2007-12-12 = =20 edt-user.doc drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2013-05-19 = emacs -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 34540 2001-09-03 = =20 filladapt.el drwxrwxrwx 1 kgallagh None 0 2013-07-23 = lisp -rw-rw-rw- 1 Administrators None 3632 2014-04-15 = =20 message-20140415-140728 drwxrwxrwx 1 Administrators None 0 2014-04-14 = share -rw-rw-rw- 1 Administrators None 135 2014-04-15 = =20 stuff.sh -rw-rw-rw- 1 Administrators None 134 2014-04-15 = =20 stuff.sh~ -rw-rw-rw- 1 Administrators None 14000 2013-05-26 = =20 videos.docx -rw-rw-rw- 1 Administrators None 4928 2013-05-26 = =20 videos.txt -rw-rw-rw- 1 kgallagh None 3672 2012-10-06 = =20 vids.txt I believe the listing in Emacs 24.5 is preferable. It 25.0.90, it is = as=20 if the initial period in any file/directory entry is being ignored wh= en=20 sorting alphabetically. Also, upper and lower case are also being ign= ored. In GNU Emacs 25.0.90.2 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2016-01-31 built on JANUS3 Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: 'configure --prefix=3D/c/emacs-25.0.90 CPPFLAGS=3D-I/c/usr/include' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF SOUND NOTIFY ACL TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS Important settings: value of $LANG: ENU locale-coding-system: cp1252 Major mode: Dired by name Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 mml mml-se= c epg epg-config gnus-util mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util help-fns help-mode easymenu cl-loaddefs pcase cl-l= ib mail-prsvr mail-utils dired time-date mule-util tooltip eldoc electri= c uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel dos-w32 ls-lisp disp-table w32-win w32-vars term/common-win tool-bar dnd fontset imag= e regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cl-generic c= ham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese charscript case-table epa-h= ook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer cl-preloaded nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote w32notify w32 multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 8 91893 10306) (symbols 32 19566 0) (miscs 32 40 181) (strings 16 16515 3771) (string-bytes 1 437792) (vectors 8 12386) (vector-slots 4 426311 4428) (floats 8 160 112) (intervals 28 782 407) (buffers 516 12)) --Boundary_(ID_/pSrhbSf4kKPO96QnT2NQw) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE In M.S. Windows 7, Started Emacs with

C:\emacs-25.0.90\bin\runemacs.exe -Q

Entered <C-x> <C-f> <RET>

The following listing of my home directory looks as follows

=C2=A0 c:/kg:
=C2=A0 total used in directory 210 available 150000864
=C2=A0 drwxrwxrwx=C2=A0 1 TrustedInstaller TrustedInstaller 24576 02-03 13:31 ..
=C2=A0 drwxrwxrwx=C2=A0 1 kgallagh=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 None=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 12288 02-04 17:28 .
=C2=A0 -rw-rw-rw-=C2=A0 1 kgallagh=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 None=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1835 2012-02-01=C2=A0 .aliases~
=C2=A0 -rw-rw-rw-=C2=A0 1 Administrators=C2=A0=C2=A0 None= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 1893 2014-04-14=C2=A0 .aliases
=C2=A0 drwxrwxrwx=C2=A0 1 kgallagh=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 None=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 2005-07-09=C2=A0 .autosave
=C2=A0 -rw-rw-rw-=C2=A0 1 kgallagh=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 None=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 8231 01-31 15:31 .bash_history
=C2=A0 -rw-rw-rw-=C2=A0 1 kgallagh=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 None=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 263 2011-06-27=C2=A0 .bashrc
=C2=A0 drwxrwxrwx=C2=A0 1 kgallagh=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 None=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 2014-04-14=C2=A0 bin-save
=C2=A0 -rw-rw-rw-=C2=A0 1 Administrators=C2=A0=C2=A0 None= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 1404 2014-06-30=C2=A0 .edt-gnu-W32-keys
=C2=A0 -rw-rw-rw-=C2=A0 1 Administrators=C2=A0=C2=A0 None= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 1409 2014-04-13=C2=A0 .edt-gnu-W32-keys-save
=C2=A0 -rw-rw-rw-=C2=A0 1 kgallagh=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 None=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 44241 2007-12-12=C2=A0 edt-user.doc
=C2=A0 drwxrwxrwx=C2=A0 1 kgallagh=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 None=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 2013-05-19=C2=A0 emacs
=C2=A0 -rw-rw-rw-=C2=A0 1 kgallagh=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 None=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6438 2012-05-02=C2=A0 .emacs
=C2=A0 drwxrwxrwx=C2=A0 1 kgallagh=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 None=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 2012-05-13=C2=A0 .emacs.d
=C2=A0 -rw-rw-rw-=C2=A0 1 kgallagh=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 None=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6103 2011-07-25=C2=A0 .emacs-indent-4
=C2=A0 -rw-rw-rw-=C2=A0 1 kgallagh=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 None=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 7 2007-12-09=C2=A0 .emacs-places
=C2=A0 -rw-rw-rw-=C2=A0 1 kgallagh=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 None=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 34540 2001-09-03=C2=A0 filladapt.el
=C2=A0 drwxrwxrwx=C2=A0 1 kgallagh=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 None=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 2005-12-23=C2=A0 .fvwm
=C2=A0 drwxrwxrwx=C2=A0 1 kgallagh=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 None=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0 2014-03-14=C2=A0 Game Stuff
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In Emacs 24.5, the listing of the same directory looks like this:=

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I believe the listing in Emacs 24.5 is preferable. It 25.0.90, it= is as if the initial period in any file/directory entry is being ignored when sorting alphabetically. Also, upper and lower case a= re also being ignored.


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--Boundary_(ID_/pSrhbSf4kKPO96QnT2NQw)-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 05 02:16:21 2016 Received: (at 22561) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 07:16:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60950 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRacu-0006nI-V9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 02:16:21 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60377) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRacu-0006n5-9H for 22561@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 02:16:20 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRacj-0003M3-Tn for 22561@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 02:16:13 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35359) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRacj-0003Ld-Pm; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 02:16:09 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1176 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aRace-00017W-Os; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 02:16:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 09:15:52 +0200 Message-Id: <83zivfvd93.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Kevin Gallagher In-reply-to: <56B3E874.5000601@verizon.net> (message from Kevin Gallagher on Thu, 04 Feb 2016 18:10:28 -0600) Subject: Re: bug#22561: 25.0.90; dired alphabetic sort of listing handles leading '.' strangely on MS Windows References: <56B3E874.5000601@verizon.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22561 Cc: 22561@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) > Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 18:10:28 -0600 > From: Kevin Gallagher > > I believe the listing in Emacs 24.5 is preferable. It 25.0.90, it is as if the initial period in any file/directory entry is > being ignored when sorting alphabetically. Also, upper and lower case are also being ignored. It's a new feature, meant to emulate more closely what Emacs and 'ls' do on GNU/Linux. From NEWS: *** The ls-lisp package uses `string-collate-lessp' to sort file names. If you want the old, locale-independent sorting, customize the new option `ls-lisp-use-string-collate' to a nil value. OK to close this bug? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 05 05:31:29 2016 Received: (at 22561) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 10:31:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32835 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRdfl-0006Gc-2D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 05:31:29 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48267) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRdfj-0006GQ-1c for 22561@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 05:31:27 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRdfa-0005ez-JP for 22561@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 05:31:21 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47298) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRdfa-0005ev-GF; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 05:31:18 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1455 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aRdfZ-0005KH-Nr; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 05:31:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 12:31:10 +0200 Message-Id: <83egcrv47l.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: kevin.gal@verizon.net In-reply-to: <83zivfvd93.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 05 Feb 2016 09:15:52 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#22561: 25.0.90; dired alphabetic sort of listing handles leading '.' strangely on MS Windows References: <56B3E874.5000601@verizon.net> <83zivfvd93.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22561 Cc: 22561@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) > Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 09:15:52 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 22561@debbugs.gnu.org > > It's a new feature, meant to emulate more closely what Emacs and 'ls' > do on GNU/Linux. From NEWS: > > *** The ls-lisp package uses `string-collate-lessp' to sort file names. > If you want the old, locale-independent sorting, customize the new > option `ls-lisp-use-string-collate' to a nil value. I've now expanded that entry to better explain the effects of this change. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 05 10:32:22 2016 Received: (at 22561) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 15:32:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34547 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRiMw-0006el-07 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:32:22 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:17453) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRiMu-0006eY-IZ for 22561@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:32:20 -0500 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u15FWCPW010956 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Feb 2016 15:32:13 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u15FWC5D016396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Feb 2016 15:32:12 GMT Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u15FWAvM005477; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 15:32:11 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <85fd8a74-1a38-441c-b0fe-5499351a5753@default> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 07:32:08 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Kevin Gallagher Subject: RE: bug#22561: 25.0.90; dired alphabetic sort of listing handles leading '.' strangely on MS Windows References: <<56B3E874.5000601@verizon.net>> <<83zivfvd93.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83zivfvd93.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22561 Cc: 22561@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > > I believe the listing in Emacs 24.5 is preferable. It 25.0.90, it is as= if > > the initial period in any file/directory entry is > > being ignored when sorting alphabetically. Also, upper and lower case a= re > > also being ignored. >=20 > It's a new feature, meant to emulate more closely what Emacs and 'ls' > do on GNU/Linux. From NEWS: >=20 > *** The ls-lisp package uses `string-collate-lessp' to sort file names. > If you want the old, locale-independent sorting, customize the new > option `ls-lisp-use-string-collate' to a nil value. >=20 > OK to close this bug? Why was the default behavior changed? Why not let Windows _users_ choose to sort in this new way? If, after several years of that, users are clamouring for the default behavior to change, emacs-devel can discuss that possibility and perhaps change to using `string-collate-lessp' by default. It should be: If you want the new, locale-dependent sorting, customize the new option `ls-lisp-use-string-collate' to a non-nil value. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 05 11:44:57 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 16:44:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34594 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRjVB-0008Qr-66 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:44:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54463) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRjV9-0008Qe-Q0 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:44:55 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRjV4-0004sE-4y for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:44:50 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47333) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRjV4-0004s8-1J for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:44:50 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aRjV3-0002aT-NK for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:44:49 -0500 Subject: control message for bug 22561 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.99.98) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 11:44:49 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) tag 22561 notabug close 22561 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 05 14:32:57 2016 Received: (at 22561) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 19:32:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34730 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRm7l-0000cW-3s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:32:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36995) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRm7j-0000b5-Ai for 22561@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:32:55 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRm7Z-0002i8-Uh for 22561@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:32:50 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59017) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRm7Z-0002i4-Rc; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:32:45 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1988 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aRm7X-0004mE-6y; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:32:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 21:32:21 +0200 Message-Id: <83wpqjt0l6.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <85fd8a74-1a38-441c-b0fe-5499351a5753@default> (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 5 Feb 2016 07:32:08 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#22561: 25.0.90; dired alphabetic sort of listing handles leading '.' strangely on MS Windows References: <<56B3E874.5000601@verizon.net>> <<83zivfvd93.fsf@gnu.org>> <85fd8a74-1a38-441c-b0fe-5499351a5753@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22561 Cc: 22561@debbugs.gnu.org, kevin.gal@verizon.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 07:32:08 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 22561@debbugs.gnu.org > > > *** The ls-lisp package uses `string-collate-lessp' to sort file names. > > If you want the old, locale-independent sorting, customize the new > > option `ls-lisp-use-string-collate' to a nil value. > > > > OK to close this bug? > > Why was the default behavior changed? Because it's a better default. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 05 15:01:03 2016 Received: (at 22561) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 20:01:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34753 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmYx-0001Il-Hf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:01:03 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:40210) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmYv-0001I8-Sa for 22561@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:01:02 -0500 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u15K0ueB013013 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Feb 2016 20:00:56 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u15K0txZ031839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Feb 2016 20:00:55 GMT Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u15K0tYN026422; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 20:00:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3bd92480-455a-487e-b19d-b25f5f290a03@default> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 12:00:53 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#22561: 25.0.90; dired alphabetic sort of listing handles leading '.' strangely on MS Windows References: <<<56B3E874.5000601@verizon.net>>> <<<83zivfvd93.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<85fd8a74-1a38-441c-b0fe-5499351a5753@default>> <<83wpqjt0l6.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83wpqjt0l6.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22561 Cc: 22561@debbugs.gnu.org, kevin.gal@verizon.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > > > *** The ls-lisp package uses `string-collate-lessp' to sort file > names. > > > If you want the old, locale-independent sorting, customize the new > > > option `ls-lisp-use-string-collate' to a nil value. > > > > > > OK to close this bug? > > > > Why was the default behavior changed? >=20 > Because it's a better default. Why? What supporting reasons? Was there discussion about that, or did someone just decide it without discussion? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 05 16:59:33 2016 Received: (at 22561) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 21:59:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34845 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRoPd-0007Jg-Kt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:59:33 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38995) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRoPb-0007JU-PE for 22561@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:59:32 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRoPS-0002If-3W for 22561@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:59:26 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60828) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRoPS-0002Ib-04; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:59:22 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2174 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aRoPO-00079Z-JH; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:59:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 23:58:55 +0200 Message-Id: <83powau8dc.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-reply-to: <3bd92480-455a-487e-b19d-b25f5f290a03@default> (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 5 Feb 2016 12:00:53 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#22561: 25.0.90; dired alphabetic sort of listing handles leading '.' strangely on MS Windows References: <<<56B3E874.5000601@verizon.net>>> <<<83zivfvd93.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<85fd8a74-1a38-441c-b0fe-5499351a5753@default>> <<83wpqjt0l6.fsf@gnu.org>> <3bd92480-455a-487e-b19d-b25f5f290a03@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22561 Cc: 22561@debbugs.gnu.org, kevin.gal@verizon.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 12:00:53 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: kevin.gal@verizon.net, 22561@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > *** The ls-lisp package uses `string-collate-lessp' to sort file > > names. > > > > If you want the old, locale-independent sorting, customize the new > > > > option `ls-lisp-use-string-collate' to a nil value. > > > > > > > > OK to close this bug? > > > > > > Why was the default behavior changed? > > > > Because it's a better default. > > Why? What supporting reasons? It's closer to what Emacs does on GNU/Linux. It is also closer to what the Windows Explorer does. > Was there discussion about that, or did someone just decide > it without discussion? There were lots of discussions when this was introduced. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 05 17:55:14 2016 Received: (at 22561) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 22:55:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34924 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRpHW-0000En-Cw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:55:14 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:40240) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRpHU-0000Ea-Le for 22561@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:55:13 -0500 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u15Mt5mL015457 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Feb 2016 22:55:06 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u15Mt4m6026067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Feb 2016 22:55:05 GMT Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u15Mt4N3012229; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 22:55:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 14:55:02 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#22561: 25.0.90; dired alphabetic sort of listing handles leading '.' strangely on MS Windows References: <<<<56B3E874.5000601@verizon.net>>>> <<<<83zivfvd93.fsf@gnu.org>>>> <<<85fd8a74-1a38-441c-b0fe-5499351a5753@default>>> <<<83wpqjt0l6.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<3bd92480-455a-487e-b19d-b25f5f290a03@default>> <<83powau8dc.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83powau8dc.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22561 Cc: 22561@debbugs.gnu.org, kevin.gal@verizon.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > > > > Why was the default behavior changed? > > > Because it's a better default. > > Why? What supporting reasons? >=20 > It's closer to what Emacs does on GNU/Linux. It is also closer to > what the Windows Explorer does. >=20 > > Was there discussion about that, or did someone just decide > > it without discussion? >=20 > There were lots of discussions when this was introduced. OK; thanks. I must have missed that. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 06 18:18:01 2016 Received: (at 22561) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2016 23:18:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36162 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aSC76-0006tc-Tr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 18:18:01 -0500 Received: from vms173025pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.25]:42898) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aSC74-0006tN-JJ for 22561@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 18:17:59 -0500 Received: from vz-proxy-m004.mx.aol.com ([64.236.83.15]) by vms173025.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0O2500DHEFD8XY30@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> for 22561@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 17:17:32 -0600 (CST) X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=EdU1O6SC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=NimJJ1rWho3RDXpqkQh0Zg==:117 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=jFJIQSaiL_oA:10 a=yPCof4ZbAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=SMPIYxvfbuwrfITNgIgA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 Received: by 71.96.98.28 with SMTP id 71e393c1; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 23:17:32 GMT Subject: Re: bug#22561: 25.0.90; dired alphabetic sort of listing handles leading '.' strangely on MS Windows To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams References: <<<56B3E874.5000601@verizon.net> <<<83zivfvd93.fsf@gnu.org> <<85fd8a74-1a38-441c-b0fe-5499351a5753@default> <<83wpqjt0l6.fsf@gnu.org> <3bd92480-455a-487e-b19d-b25f5f290a03@default> <83powau8dc.fsf@gnu.org> From: Kevin Gallagher Message-id: <56B67F03.7050904@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 17:17:23 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-version: 1.0 In-reply-to: <83powau8dc.fsf@gnu.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 160206-1, 02/06/2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22561 Cc: 22561@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) On 2/5/2016 3:58 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 12:00:53 -0800 (PST) >> From: Drew Adams >> Cc: kevin.gal@verizon.net, 22561@debbugs.gnu.org >> >>>>> *** The ls-lisp package uses `string-collate-lessp' to sort file >>> names. >>>>> If you want the old, locale-independent sorting, customize the new >>>>> option `ls-lisp-use-string-collate' to a nil value. >>>>> >>>>> OK to close this bug? >>>> Why was the default behavior changed? >>> Because it's a better default. >> Why? What supporting reasons? > It's closer to what Emacs does on GNU/Linux. It is also closer to > what the Windows Explorer does. > >> Was there discussion about that, or did someone just decide >> it without discussion? > There were lots of discussions when this was introduced. > OK, since the change is documented, I agree it is clearly not a bug. But I would submit that, when using Emacs on Windows, having dired display a directory precisely the same way Windows Explorer displays it is a better default. To accomplish this, the following two customizations suffice. In the Ls Lisp group, do the following: -- toggle Ls Lisp Uca Like Collation to off (nil) -- toggle Ls Lisp Dirs First to on (non-nil) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 07 10:53:23 2016 Received: (at 22561-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2016 15:53:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37348 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aSReN-0007tS-Mb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 10:53:23 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54605) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aSReL-0007tG-Qo for 22561-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 10:53:22 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSReD-0000OE-JM for 22561-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 10:53:16 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57124) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aSReD-0000Np-GP; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 10:53:13 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4038 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aSRe7-0003Uo-7B; Sun, 07 Feb 2016 10:53:07 -0500 Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2016 17:52:48 +0200 Message-Id: <83oabssejz.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Kevin Gallagher In-reply-to: <56B67F03.7050904@verizon.net> (message from Kevin Gallagher on Sat, 06 Feb 2016 17:17:23 -0600) Subject: Re: bug#22561: 25.0.90; dired alphabetic sort of listing handles leading '.' strangely on MS Windows References: <<<56B3E874.5000601@verizon.net> <<<83zivfvd93.fsf@gnu.org> <<85fd8a74-1a38-441c-b0fe-5499351a5753@default> <<83wpqjt0l6.fsf@gnu.org> <3bd92480-455a-487e-b19d-b25f5f290a03@default> <83powau8dc.fsf@gnu.org> <56B67F03.7050904@verizon.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22561-done Cc: 22561-done@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) > Cc: 22561@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Kevin Gallagher > Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 17:17:23 -0600 > > OK, since the change is documented, I agree it is clearly not a bug. 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